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GPRS & 3G setting, important !!!!!

ok, this is a strange issue and i am not too sure about it, so correct me if i am wrong.
When i use my Universal, i use the Hack which enable my GPRS/3G always on, it works great and when phone call comes in, the dis-connect the connection and re-connect it once you finish phone call.
But with Athena, after i apply the same Hack, although the connection is always on, but you CAN'T received any phone call ! So i turn the Hack off and do some more testing. I found out when i use Opera and connect to internet (3.5 G), i can't receive phone call, but when i close the program, the connection change to 3G (instead of 3.5), then i can receive phone call again.
But notice here, the 3G is still on when i receive phone call, so it doesn't disconnect any more.
So important to remember don't use the Hack on Athena, otherwise you can't receive phone call.
Anyone can explain this?

Use wifi without suscribing to data package?

its been posted before, but i wanted to clarify, so dont yell at me... (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325973)
I dont suscribe to data, but want to use wi fi. so if i use that no data thing, is it possible?
thanks
aurash

at times i would just airplane mode at times and just use wifi, even for calls. So yeah you can do that...

so wifi on the verizon mogul is free and nothing will be charged to me for using it. (I dont have the data plan)

encephalon9986 said:
so wifi on the verizon mogul is free and nothing will be charged to me for using it. (I dont have the data plan)
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If you don't have a data block, you run the risk of of connecting to EvDo and getting charged 'pay as you go'.
But then there was a change to the data plan about a month ago and I hear it is now nearly impossible to NOT have a real data plan.

Originally Posted by worwig
If you don't have a data block, you run the risk of of connecting to EvDo and getting charged 'pay as you go'.
But then there was a change to the data plan about a month ago and I hear it is now nearly impossible to NOT have a real data plan.
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yeah thats what ive heard. It seems like if you want a ppc or smartphone that your have to get the data package to even get the phone. thanks for the quick response.

This is something I banged out for a couple of Sprint users, but it covers the basics of what you have to do for other carriers as well:
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=180141

I just switched from Qwest to Verizon and got upgraded to the 6800 from the 6700. To get around the data plan you can use the pay as you go just change the dial up number to anything but #777 and you never connect to the network and don't get charged.

I dont have a data plan either. I use the wifi all the time. the main reason I got this phone was for the wifi capability. I am curious how to use it uner flight mode because it never lets me..

Completely disable 3g data connections forever, and still use wifi
This is my first contribution to xda-forums! I'm glad I can help at all when I've benefitted so much... Thanks to all!
NOTE: After the following steps, Modaco's Nodata doesn't even register that a data connection exists! For this reason, if you occasionally use 3g, you probably will want to use Nodata, and NOT the following solution. You just might have to open Nodata and disable the data connection every time you soft-reset.
I was finally able to completely 100% block the 3g data connection on my Verizon XV6800 (aka Mogul aka Titan) was the following three steps:
1. The key culprit is HTC_CM_Guardian.exe in the windows directory. I couldn't edit it or delete it via Total Commander file explorer, but I was able to rename it! This makes the OS unable to find the program when it tries to re-set the Data connection settings.
2. Under Settings > Connections > Connections > Advanced > "Select which networks are automatically used," hit "Select Networks."
3. Under "Programs that automatically connect to the Internet should connect using:" hit "New...".
4. Enter any name you want (mine's "nodata!") and leave all the other settings blank.
5. To be safe, you may have to delete the Verizon Or "Internet" Connection on the Tasks Tab of Settings > Connections > Connections. Save and exit.
Voila! Wifi, yes; 3g, no! No more nasty billing surprises.
Modaco's Nodata program is awesome, but the problem was that HTC_CM_Guardian.exe re-enabled the data connection every time I reset the phone. Plus, HTC_CM_Guardian.exe would also thwart any effort to block data via the "Connection Settings." By renaming HTC_CM_Guardian.exe and creating a "nodata!" connection that programs auto-connecting to the internet would try to use (and fail), we get three results:
1. Modaco's Nodata doesn't even register that a data connection exists! For this reason, if you occasionally use 3g, you probably won't to use this solution.
2. When you reboot, the OS is unable to mess-up your "Connection Settings", so
3. Unless you have an active wifi connection, programs will try to connect to the Internet using the "nodata!" settings, which, being empty, will fail, exactly as planned.
Hope it helps.

simple solution
It's a lot easier to check the "use dialing rules" box. I had a HTC Touch that I used this on and when I lost that, went to a Mogul. I love the wifi on it! I worked as a ATS rep for Sprint for 5 years and half the time when a windows phone would not connect to vision, it was the checked dialing rules box or a wrong number like the customer's own number instead of the dialing string. I tried just deleting the dialing string but even a soft reset caused the phone to recreate the #777 as well as the phone as modem #777. I hated the phone connecting on it's own, bumping the wrong button in my pocket, and I know this will work every time. EVDO data transfer charges without a plan will cap at $75 now but still why take the chance? If you absolutely have to get on the web and there's no wifi around, break down, call *2 and add a $15 vision plan, do what you need to like find a location with Live search then cancel it the next day. The plan will be prorated from when you added it to when it was cancelled. The only hitch is you have to allow your device to IOTA successfully while in a Sprint service area once to get the data settings in the phone which entails the data transfer again. Ahhh, I'm liking the wifi more and more......
HTC 6800 wm 6.1
HTC 6900 wm 6.1
Philips VELO win ce 1.0

Switch from Internet to WAP connection - how does HTC do it?

Hey there,
my last two HTC devices used to be able to switch from an "internet" data connection to a "WAP" connection automatically - e.g. when an MMS came in. The device would terminate the GPRS Internet connection and establish a WAP session to download the MMS.
Now using an LG KS20, I have to disconnect internet connection manually.
Why?
And how does HTC do it? Any way of getting automatic switching on the LG?
Many thanks,
N.

What kind of phone do you have? I have issues receiving MMS on just about every ROM I've used on my Tilt. Usually, a reboot will make it work, but I never thought about killing the 3G connection.
The message I get is simply "Forbidden". Do you think it's related?

Flapjack said:
What kind of phone do you have? I have issues receiving MMS on just about every ROM I've used on my Tilt. Usually, a reboot will make it work, but I never thought about killing the 3G connection.
The message I get is simply "Forbidden". Do you think it's related?
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Dunno about the error message you get - but probably your Tilt uses different data connections for MMS (WAP) and everything else (3G Internet). Try terminating the 3G internet connection and see if the device starts a different type of connection to receive MMS.

Yeah... just figured that out. I had been soft-resetting the phone. Killing and restarting the network connection seems to do the trick.
Now, this begs question... why in the hell does a modern day WM6 phone still have this issue?

Turn off Data Connection when idle

I'd like my phone to use the data connection to download weather info etc., but I'd also like it to turn it off when idle to save power. Is there an app to do this?
thanks

Click on the 3G icon on the top bar, then when the notification screen opens click on the 3G icon again, that opens the Comm Mgr screen, turn off the data connection.
OR, are you wanting an app that will do it automatically after XX min?

It should automatically disconnect after usage. I find my data connection active for like 23 hours and such. Big battery hog when it isn't even being used.
On my Fuze, there was a registry edit which would set your END key to disconnect a data connection while on the homescreen in the default position. Worked really well except it doesn't work on my new AT&T Pure for some reason.
A single tap would work exactly like the END key currently does. Pretty nice.
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ControlPanel\Phone]
"Flags2"=dword:0000000A
Flags2: "Enables a disconnect button for GPRS connections to appear in the connectivity list. Also enables End key to disconnect GPRS."
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Actually it may still work. I just found that further down in my app.reg of my Custom folder, I had it set again, to 16.
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Yup. Changing the value to A (A=10) works like a champ. It doesn't affect any normal End key functions either.

Alternatively, if you have TD2 Tools (which you should, great program), then under the Power tab, there is an option to 'Auto D/C Data Connection'. At least there is in 2a, v 2.0.3552.42948.

Yes, I want an app to disconnect the data connection after a few mins/secs. It should save power.
I will try the TD2 tools, I already had it but never thought about looking if it had this option built in.
Thanks to you all!
EDIT: It worked, it disconnects after a few minutes now. Does anybody know how to disable wake device when receiving SMS? The option is turned off, but still the device wakes itself.

arrow224 said:
Alternatively, if you have TD2 Tools (which you should, great program), then under the Power tab, there is an option to 'Auto D/C Data Connection'. At least there is in 2a, v 2.0.3552.42948.
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player911 said:
It should automatically disconnect after usage. I find my data connection active for like 23 hours and such. Big battery hog when it isn't even being used.
On my Fuze, there was a registry edit which would set your END key to disconnect a data connection while on the homescreen in the default position. Worked really well except it doesn't work on my new AT&T Pure for some reason.
A single tap would work exactly like the END key currently does. Pretty nice.
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ControlPanel\Phone]
"Flags2"=dword:0000000A
Flags2: "Enables a disconnect button for GPRS connections to appear in the connectivity list. Also enables End key to disconnect GPRS."
[EDIT]
Actually it may still work. I just found that further down in my app.reg of my Custom folder, I had it set again, to 16.
[EDIT2]
Yup. Changing the value to A (A=10) works like a champ. It doesn't affect any normal End key functions either.
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Are both working on a TD2? I mean either the registry tweak or the TD2 Tool?
I personally prefer the reg tweak, however I don't understand the content of your EDIT note: "changing WHAT to 16"?? and your EDIT2 note : "changing the value to A" is in hex or dec? And do you mean that pressing the END hardware key will disconnect data connection now?

Hi
The data connection being on does not drain the battery. You have a network connection to the cell all the time otherwise you wouldn't receive phone calls, the data connection symbol just means your phone also has an IP address, that doesn't take any power.
If anything the connection remaining on saves power as each time you need a connection one doesn't have be created. Creating a connection uses more CPU cycles and radio power talking to the cell to open a network connection and then more to drop it.
The network operators also want the connection to remain on as it is less load on their networks than having them continually created then dropped.
More info here: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/07/14/666203.aspx
Regards
Phil

you just need to modify these two entries (was written here many times)
Hkey_local_machine\Comm\ConnMgr\Planner\Settings
1. Change in CacheTime DWORD Data to 15 (Base is Dec value)
2. Change in SuspendResume the value to GPRS_bye_if_device_off
Make a soft reset.
The data connection should turn off after 15 sec if idle. It should also turn
off after you press the red key, or turn off the screen.
Try it.

Both solutions (reg mod and TD2 Tools) work most of the time, they are in fact the same. However I noticed 2 curious behaviours in which the timeout is not respected.
1) When I update weather via DataConnection, it does not autodisconnect after the preset time...it will when device goes in standby mode.
2) Data Connection stays on until Opera is open (even if not used).Once closed, timeout starts, and it's not that bad after all.
Can anyone confirm?

I used the TD2 tools, and i'm not experiencing these issues.

PhilipL said:
Hi
The data connection being on does not drain the battery. You have a network connection to the cell all the time otherwise you wouldn't receive phone calls, the data connection symbol just means your phone also has an IP address, that doesn't take any power.
If anything the connection remaining on saves power as each time you need a connection one doesn't have be created. Creating a connection uses more CPU cycles and radio power talking to the cell to open a network connection and then more to drop it.
The network operators also want the connection to remain on as it is less load on their networks than having them continually created then dropped.
More info here: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/07/14/666203.aspx
Regards
Phil
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This is good advice. Has anyone every experienced more battery drain if the the data connection is "left open"?
In any case, even if you "disconnect" data every time, if an app wants to access the internet, doesn't wm reconnect automatically again? (unless you use modaco "nodata" app or similar to inhibit it)

Didn't notice more battery drain with a data connection left open and you're right: if an app needs connection then it will automatically be opened. In my case I want auto disconnect because, even though I have 400 monthly prepaid connection hours, which is enormous for a phone, it annoys me to waste them while topaz is in my pocket.

Wow, thaks for the great tip Phil!
I have a prepaid 150MB limit, so it shouldn't bother me leaving it on. The 400 monthly hours sualc mentioned is indeed more of a problem.

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Are both working on a TD2? I mean either the registry tweak or the TD2 Tool?
I personally prefer the reg tweak, however I don't understand the content of your EDIT note: "changing WHAT to 16"?? and your EDIT2 note : "changing the value to A" is in hex or dec? And do you mean that pressing the END hardware key will disconnect data connection now?
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The problem mentioned above, about auto-disconnecting when programs are being used... this is why I program my reg edit to manual disconnect.
@BumAround: Set the value to "0000000A" (which is hex). "16" was my default value, which was also Hex.
This will do 2 things. It creates a "Disconnect" button from the PopUp Connection window and also allows the END key to disconnect only while at the Today screen in it's default position.
For example, if you are browsing Opera and press the END key... it will only take you back to the Today screen and won't touch your data connection. If your at the default position (the Clock tab on both Manila and Titanium), pressing END again will stop the data transmission.
It is a very good solution to the OP's problem by allowing you to disconnect the data connection easily, at will, and without the need for extra programs.

player911 said:
The problem mentioned above, about auto-disconnecting when programs are being used... this is why I program my reg edit to manual disconnect.
@BumAround: Set the value to "0000000A" (which is hex). "16" was my default value, which was also Hex.
This will do 2 things. It creates a "Disconnect" button from the PopUp Connection window and also allows the END key to disconnect only while at the Today screen in it's default position.
For example, if you are browsing Opera and press the END key... it will only take you back to the Today screen and won't touch your data connection. If your at the default position (the Clock tab on both Manila and Titanium), pressing END again will stop the data transmission.
It is a very good solution to the OP's problem by allowing you to disconnect the data connection easily, at will, and without the need for extra programs.
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Wow! Cool! You mean pressing END (hardware) key twice, once to bring the phone to the Today main screen, and one more time to disconnect data connection at will? Sweet!

Hi Sualc, the same "problem" for me updating weather (using option for data connection inTD2 Tools)

Not sure
PhilipL said:
Hi
The data connection being on does not drain the battery. You have a network connection to the cell all the time otherwise you wouldn't receive phone calls, the data connection symbol just means your phone also has an IP address, that doesn't take any power.
If anything the connection remaining on saves power as each time you need a connection one doesn't have be created. Creating a connection uses more CPU cycles and radio power talking to the cell to open a network connection and then more to drop it.
The network operators also want the connection to remain on as it is less load on their networks than having them continually created then dropped.
Regards
Phil
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Not sure about this... and forgive me if I shouldn't be commenting because I'm referencing a cdma HTC touch pro 2, but I think this aspect is common.
My understanding is that the arrows up in the status bar should show white when a data connection is active and transferring data, but should turn gray when the connection is connected but not actively transmitting data. On my TP2, the data connection always shows the connection active and transmitting (the arrows stay white and never turn gray). I'm thinking if this is happening, one must surely be eating battery that isn't necessary.
On a cdma phone, the GPRS registry setting that is mentioned in this thread won't work because, although it will make the data connection automatically disconnect after an active data session, and you can change how long that time is with the CacheTime registry setting, unfortunately, on my HTC touch pro 2 Sprint cdma phone, you can't answer incoming calls when a data connection is active using these settings. I have to change the GPRS setting to #777 instead to be able to answer incoming calls when a data connection is active.... and with the #777 registry setting, I then loose the automatic time out and turning off of the data connection, so it stays on and showing active unless I turn it off manually and even then it comes on by it's self so often it's not even worth turning it off manually.
If any of you tech wizards can find a way for me to both be able to answer incoming calls when the is an active data connection, and also have the data connection time out and turn off automatically when not being used, I'd love to see it, because it sure seems to me I use more battery when I'm not turning off my data connection a lot manually, but it gets old always having to turn it off too!

Data Connection Always Connected

I am not sure if this is even a problem, but before today my data connection to t-mobile would only connect when needed. For instance, if I was home then I would be connected to wifi and my data connection would turn off by itself, but would still connect if needed by a program, or whatever, that can't use wifi but needed the data connection instead. Like when I sent a MMS message for example. Then after the message was sent or whenever the program was done with the data connection then it would automatically disconnect where I would continue to use the wifi connection. Also, if I left the house then I would automatically be switched to the data connection as the wifi signal went out of range.
This is the way I liked it. Today it had changed the way it behaves. Now, the data connection stays on no matter what and I have to manually turn it off in the comm manager. Also, everytime the screen turns off and the device goes into sleep mode, or whatever you call it, the data connection automatically turns backs on while it is sleeping. For example, when I go to sleep I press the red hang up button to put it in sleep mode then I go to sleep. When I wake up in the morning the data connection is on and when I go to turn it off it shows it has been connected for however long I was asleep for.
Like I said I am not sure if this is a big deal or not, I just don't want to be charged for going over the data cap for some reason. And I am not sure if maybe there is a program in the background that might not be showing up in the task manager and is downloading data that will eventually cost me when it goes over the cap.
Now I know that certain things automatically connect to download data like mail, weather, stocks, twitter, etc., but I always thought that they could use a wifi connection if available. And if not then I know for sure that it used to at least disconnect the data connection after it was done.
I am basically asking if this is normal because it used to not be like this on my phone and if it is something I need to.be worried about? Also, if anyone knows how to change it back to the way it used to be? I would greatly appreciate it if you let me know how to do it.
Thanks,
Michael

Anyone?
All I want to know is if it is normal to always have the data connection on. So does anyone else experience this? The data connection seems to reconnect by itself everytime the phone goes in standby and stays connected until I manually disconnect it.
Thanks,
Michael

Hey I just happen to have similar problem with the data connection turning on by itself when I check email on my wifi.
If you goto comm manager - menu - connections - advanced
Under "select which networks are automatically" - select networks
Change the connection type under "programs that automatically connect to the internet..." to your wifi connection from "t-mobile data."
Seems to work for me at the moment anyways. It's not connecting automatically to data connection when I check my emails.

Hi Michael.
It's actually the default behavior for the data connection to stay on once it's activated, until it's switched off manually. You won't pass significantly more data that way than if you just turned it off right after whatever app(s) are doing using it...the only downside to leaving it on is the speed at which it drains the battery.
There are some users who choose to leave it on, just to avoid the delay when they want to use it, and there's probably tons more who don't even have any idea you might want to turn it off when not in use.
Now I could swear there's a cab floating around here somewhere that will shut off the data connection once it sits idle for 60 seconds, but I didn't turn it up in a casual search the other day, so I can't point you to it right now
As for the apps using wifi when it's available instead of calling up a data connection, every one you mentioned should do that, and those all behave that way for me...so maybe there's something else you haven't thought of yet that ignores wifi when it connects to update or whatever. I would start by turning off auto updating for any and all of those services you listed, and see if the issue persists. If so, you'll need to dig deeper to find the culprit. Do you have microsoft myphone connecting to backup maybe? That seems to ignore wifi on my phone, I'm sure there's other apps that do as well.

Today it actually quit doing it for some reason. So I have no idea why it did that for awhile. Now I read that some people were having the opposite problem, which was that they couldn't get their connection to stay on. Now, this is actually the way I want it. Oh well, I hope it stays this way now.
Thanks for your help,
Michael