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Hi all:
I have been recently comparing both of these phones and so far find myself leaning towards the xperia simply because for me two things are a must: hardware keyboard and a memory expansion slot. Both of these the Diamond lacks.
What are your thoughts? suggestions?
thesire said:
Hi all:
I have been recently comparing both of these phones and so far find myself leaning towards the xperia simply because for me two things are a must: hardware keyboard and a memory expansion slot. Both of these the Diamond lacks.
What are your thoughts? suggestions?
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Have you considered the Raphael? Best of both worlds. Otherwise, I would shoot for the Xperia.
i would go for Xperia x1.. take a look at the resolution and the amazing bigger screen and ofcrse the card expansion slot
i voted diamond because im getting one on day 1, but im sure, ill get an x1 at some point, and it may well be that the diamond goes to ebay so i can get the x1. it all depends really. i was looking at a vid on yt of the x1, and the panels chooser looks amazing, but when u select one and it goes to home it takes so long. this was way back in feb, so things will probably improve with the new amount of ram. if they do, and its fast at everything ill get one. just like you lot because of the keyboard and microsd.
Rory
rorydaredkign said:
i voted diamond because im getting one on day 1, but im sure, ill get an x1 at some point, and it may well be that the diamond goes to ebay so i can get the x1. it all depends really. i was looking at a vid on yt of the x1, and the panels chooser looks amazing, but when u select one and it goes to home it takes so long. this was way back in feb, so things will probably improve with the new amount of ram. if they do, and its fast at everything ill get one. just like you lot because of the keyboard and microsd.
Rory
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I'd go with the Diamond... The X1 Panels is just an expensive gimmick that does nothing (although I'm gonna try and rip it out of an X1 ROM I have for fun )!
I think the Raphael would be the best of both!
well sonyE are more set in the phone market maybe they will not cut corners with drivers
as rep means alot when you are as big as them
I voted Xperia X1, but will be buying a Diamond. And the only reason behind that is that I think that technically the Xperia X1 is a better device in terms of hardware, but it’s not available yet, and probably not until September / October / November.
As I’m impatient, and the Diamond is a good upgrade from my current Orbit that’s the way I will be going. But come end of the year I might be getting a new shiny X1-mas prezzie.
I vote Raphael!
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/specs.php?id=2522
I voted Diamond because it's here and the Xperia X1 is vapourware. Remember the 990i? How long did that POS take to be released?
Kevin
I'd certainly like to get the Raphael, but it looks like it's Tri-band for the European market, so it wouldn't be very usable in the States. Xperia for me, as keyboard is a must.
http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/exclusive-preview-24-hours-with-the-sony-ericsson-xperia-x1/
i find it amusing that the landscape pic show that sonyE are currently using htc xbutton as taskmanager
and the "virtual desktop" system dont seem to be active currently
so so far imho it's more of a htc phone with a htc rom then a htc phone with a sonyE rom
X1 for me, only because of WVGA. The real question is, how soon will XDA-devs have TouchFlo3D ready for it. That would make this choice that much easier.
I'm thinking of Sam_i900.Especially if the rumors are true...
Regards!
if you mean about the mem then will 32GB microSD cards not come along soon and make internal mem les importent?
I'm a hardware keyboard fan, so it's between the Raphael and X1, and currently the X1 seems best to me due to WVGA screen (which will make browsing the web & watching videos much better) and the curved slide, which will make the loss of my Kaiser's tilting screen easier to bear than the no-tilt on the Raphael.
I guess the X1 will be more expensive though... will have to see.
DavidMc0 said:
I'm a hardware keyboard fan, so it's between the Raphael and X1, and currently the X1 seems best to me due to WVGA screen (which will make browsing the web & watching videos much better) and the curved slide, which will make the loss of my Kaiser's tilting screen easier to bear than the no-tilt on the Raphael.
I guess the X1 will be more expensive though... will have to see.
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I doubt the X1 will be as heavily subsidised as the Raphael... Also, I believe the Raphael may still have the kaiser tilt functionality
well for us people in the states are gonna have to stick with the x1 cause of the band limitations of the other devices...
Have you think of the actual screen size?
I just want to point out a fact that maybe misleaded by the public. Everyone is saying that the X1 3 inch screen is larger than the Diamond 2.8 inch. It's correct for the diagonal, but have you calculated the actual physical dimension of each pixel?
I don't go into the detail calculation as it should be easily reproduced...
For a 2.8 inch VGA screen, the width of each pixel is 0.0035 inch.
For a 3 inch WVGA screen, the width of each pixel is 0.00321 inch.
That means all text on a 3 inch WVGA screen is about 8% smaller than a 2.8 inch VGA screen.
However, I'm not saying a larger or smaller screen is the only factor for a buying decision. But the fact should be revealed as well.
A_C said:
I just want to point out a fact that maybe misleaded by the public. Everyone is saying that the X1 3 inch screen is larger than the Diamond 2.8 inch. It's correct for the diagonal, but have you calculated the actual physical dimension of each pixel?
I don't go into the detail calculation as it should be easily reproduced...
For a 2.8 inch VGA screen, the width of each pixel is 0.0035 inch.
For a 3 inch WVGA screen, the width of each pixel is 0.00321 inch.
That means all text on a 3 inch WVGA screen is about 8% smaller than a 2.8 inch VGA screen.
However, I'm not saying a larger or smaller screen is the only factor for a buying decision. But the fact should be revealed as well.
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But, having more pixels on the screen may make up for the fact they're smaller. You get a lot more pixels with the X1.
However, I think the Raphael is still the best offering...
Panels is a nice idea, but has so little effect, whereas TF3D makes a big difference to usability...
will be interesting to see how the cam in x1 is
as i believe like most other phone makers got a rep
for better cams then htc does
though personaly i think anything Cmos rather then CCD (real dig cams)
look odd and slightly sinister
is anybody working on this. shount be that har considering that they have the same resolution
did someone try to extract the cab from the leaked x1 ROMs
i prefer manila 2d, because i believe it's faster than the xperia panels, but you are right....it shouldn't be too difficult to extract it from xperia and adept it to blackstone....
actually. i just noticed that they bumped the memory for the x1 from 288 to 384MB. my guess they did that just for the panels thingy. i doubt that the panels will ever run well on anything other than the x1. maybe sony should rewrite the whole panels thingy as it seems to be very unoptimised. they should hire the pointUI people to do it for them
too bad as the panels seems a lot more usuful on HDs giant screen.
shouldn't be too hard. if i can ever find the cash to get a hd and it comes out i would try it. i seen xperia roms and am pretty sure it should all work.
Hi folks,
Just wondering how would xperia handle the screen res of some existing games that has fixed screen res.
I love Orions and would definitely be very sad if xperia cannot support Orions cos of the 16:9 format. And if xperia supports, I would hope that instead of stretching the game, making everything look fat. I rather that it has side black columns, like how you are watching standard def TV programs on a widescreen TV.
Anyone any info on that?
This is a question everyone has, but I haven't seen it answered yet. Most people just say "because the HD has the same resolution there will be plenty of software available", but I think that's accepting the fact that applications made for other resolutions will not work. This is only my speculation, I don't have any hard proof. Anyone who owns the device care to help?
That's the problem.
But I don't think normal apps will have any problems as most apps will just scale properly without the elements being affected by the screen res.
Just that games, as they are usually coded against the screen res/size.
Really hope that folks who had the privilege of playing with an eval unit or folks who recently bought it will be able to comment.
in my opinion, some applications will have problem, some not. I had three PDAs at the same time. one had 240x240, second 320x240 and third 640x480. some apps worked correctly on all of them, some not. for example iGo had problem on that smallest display, but on bigger worked correctly. so we will see.
Omnia has WQVGA instead of QVGA and has some problems in some programs...
maybe Xperia will have the same
Well at least HTC is coming out with more phones with this res. so developers will start to code for it correctly from now on...
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Well at least HTC is coming out with more phones with this res. so developers will start to code for it correctly from now on...
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Yeah but see, that's not good enough. If it was good enough to simply have NEW applications and not worry about the ones we've used in the past, everyone would get Android because it's the easiest to make new apps for. The reason people are afraid to switch is because of all of the software they already have for Windows Mobile, but if this phone won't be compatible with it then there's no point in hanging on.
But i think the screen res problem will affect Andriod too, being open source does not mean being easy to program on.
It is painful to migrate platforms esp if the developer does not include a migration tool. I think its the lack of that prevents people from switching platform.
I remember that is what happen to me when I switch from Palm to PPC. I literally have to export everything to .txt and even some to pen & paper. It is a painful process that I do not wich to go thru again.
Well I'll just install android on the xperia if it turns out to have awesome apps and then it will kick G1's ass.
Kloc said:
Well I'll just install android on the xperia if it turns out to have awesome apps and then it will kick G1's ass.
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Lol! That's another thought.
Is there anybody who bought Xperia to replace Universal?
I'd like to hear your experience, I'm seriously considering in buying X1 sooner or later..
but I'm particularly worried about its keyboard.
1) Is keyboard good enough for touch-typing? not thumb-keyboarding?
2) can you type as fast as when you were typing with universal?
Any other perspective from uni users will be appreiciated.
1) i'm using the keyboard most, but for shorter messages the on screen keyboard is fine. but hardware keyboard is always faster in my opinion
2) i can type faster with a keyboard then universal. used to a touch pro. but now i have and X1 and can't say more then its just better and faster!
overall i just like the X1
I think there is no better keyboard than the Uni one!, at least from all devices in the market today
Check the upcoming HTC Rhodium, this can be the real Uni succesor, but Xperia.... I don´t think so
Good luck,
orb3000 said:
I think there is no better keyboard than the Uni one!, at least from all devices in the market today
Check the upcoming HTC Rhodium, this can be the real Uni succesor, but Xperia.... I don´t think so
Good luck,
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Couldn't agree more (except on the HTC Rhrodium, saw 0 images of it with Google). The Raphael/X1 could be argued as successors to the Kaiser, however I just can't see the same for the Universal. I thought the Omni was going to be the successor but then they never came out with that :S.
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Couldn't agree more (except on the HTC Rhrodium, saw 0 images of it with Google). The Raphael/X1 could be argued as successors to the Kaiser, however I just can't see the same for the Universal. I thought the Omni was going to be the successor but then they never came out with that :S.
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Yep, it was very expected the Omnia, shame...
Here a pic of HTC Rhodium, and think it´s an interesting option
Cheers,
Hmm, I can touch-type on Uni, but i don't think I can with Kaiser and even Rhodium.. They are too focused for thumb-type usage.. they can't even adjust the angle of the screen.
How about Xperia?
I think maybe I can, considering its "mushy" feel and wide key pitch... plus its arc shape.
Sorry if i posted at the wrong section
Hi guys... i saw and view the specification and it seems that HD2 is a beauty...
thats why i need comment of HD2 pros and cons.
Because trading-in X1 to HD2 still required me to pay additional SGD600 (W/out trade-in is SGD740, And its brand new). its quite a huge sum for me...
So i am here seeking HD2 user's comment about this phone before i purchase it.
I appreciate any comment related to this topic.
Thanks
P.s. If possible, hope those HD2 user mind telling me why you would want to purchase this phone. Also your feeling/thought.
Thanks again.
Oh the HD2 is brilliant.
Some would see Windows Mobile as a let down, I'd disagree. It's an easy platform to develop for, should you come across an application you can't find. The HD2's huge screen with huge resolution is brilliant for... well everything. It's hardware means you get top-performance from whatever you do. HTCs Sense UI is also just a god-send, the best mobile interface I've come across.
Anything that's 'just not right' about it will have no doubt been 'fixed' by somebody here on XDA.
oh... Does it reocrd "HD" video?
Htc.com didn't says anything about it... ;(
It's maximum recording resolution is 640x480.
RJackson said:
It's maximum recording resolution is 640x480.
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2 question to ask... Hope you know the answer
640x480 is HD2 screen resolution? surprised. X1 was 480x800... LOL. anyway, it doesn't matter.
Do you know the Fps for recording video?
and:
Mind telling me the maximum screen ratio aspect. is there 16:9? or just 4:3?
thanks sorry if i ask too much question...
xxdoggyxx said:
Sorry if i posted at the wrong section
Hi guys... i saw and view the specification and it seems that HD2 is a beauty...
thats why i need comment of HD2 pros and cons.
Because trading-in X1 to HD2 still required me to pay additional SGD600 (W/out trade-in is SGD740, And its brand new). its quite a huge sum for me...
So i am here seeking HD2 user's comment about this phone before i purchase it.
I appreciate any comment related to this topic.
Thanks
P.s. If possible, hope those HD2 user mind telling me why you would want to purchase this phone. Also your feeling/thought.
Thanks again.
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Hi xxDoggyxx,
As a previous X1 owner, I did have reservations about going from a seemingly small device with a hardware keyboard to a big screened touch only device.
I can safely say, I am more than happy with the upgrade! The X1 was a good phone (had its build faults, etc) but the fluidness and ease of use, coupled with the bigger screen makes it worthwhile.
Pros:
- Bigger easier to read screen (even though I have great eyesight, sometimes I did find myself straining to see the X1 details)
- On-screen keyboard (this was a potential no-go for me) it took me less than a week to get used to it from a hardware keyboard (I had one on my last 3 handsets). The haptic feedback seems to really help, but that is an opinion based comment!
- Fluid menus - The SenseUI has actually made me take a step back from SPB's Shell (had the X1 SPB panel) and for most users, it is pretty much there. (There are a few bugs, but it is a complex system)
- Reception - phone reception has been almost double the strength of my X1 in most of the situations I've tested (one of which is my girlfriend's house, which acts like a Faradays Cage to most phones!)
- Facebook/YouTube/Twitter integration - I never really used Twitter that much, nor uploaded any photos to Facebook, but now I actually have decent programs to do it with, its changed my usage pattern totally.
- iPhone comparison - My X1 never really interested my 'iPhone fanboi' mates (I loved it) but a lot of them seem to be jealous now!
- Sat-Nav - I used my X1 all the time as a Sat-Nav device, but with the much bigger screen, the HD2 is a much superior device in this instance.
- Rave reviews - I read the best part of 20 reviews before I upgraded, and most of them only mentioned one or two bad points (pink tinge in camera - solved with update, and windows being the OS - its an opinion whether you like it or not)
Bad points:
- The bigger screen - it may be too big for some, sometimes I've noticed I need to shuffle it around my hand to get to some places, when using it with a single hand. I must admit, watch a few DVD 'rips' on it and the screen is forgiven!
- Little niggles - like not being able to send images via bluetooth (via the Album) - taking a while to be able to type a text reply if you have a lot in your inbox (this is understandable as there is a lot to it!)
- Cost - but there again, when has the bleeding edge of mobile handsets even been cheap?
- Hardware issues - You may come across lots of people complaining on this forum about hardware quality, but then how many people have posted saying it is a fantastic device? Most people only 'pipe up' to complain, not to compliment. I for one are one of the latter.
Haven't really used the Camcorder app, but i'll see what I can find out.
There's 3 resolutions you can record at, VGA (640x480) being the max. They all seem to be 4:3.
Can't find any information on the FPS.
TO: RP-X1.
What does it means by: :"watch a few DVD 'rips' on it and the screen is forgiven!"
sorry, my english... And: "unable to sent picture via bluetooth in the album". i understand that there is a application called album, which view your picture easily. But, i still can bluetooth songs and picture at file explorer right?
TO: RJackson.
With my knowledge of camera... LOL ... The HD2 is not "HD" it does not record "HD" video 4:3 is very very very small. if you view on a 42" LCD tv, you cannot see anything unless you stretch it. UNLESS... ... it is 4:3 @ 720fps [check with me again]
RP-X1 and RJackson, Anyway. thanks for the information... HD2 not "HD". a bit disappointed....
xxdoggyxx said:
TO: RP-X1.
What does it means by: :"watch a few DVD 'rips' on it and the screen is forgiven!"
sorry, my english... And: "unable to sent picture via bluetooth in the album". i understand that there is a application called album, which view your picture easily. But, i still can bluetooth songs and picture at file explorer right?
RP-X1 and RJackson, Anyway. thanks for the information... HD2 not "HD". a bit disappointed....
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Hi, sorry!
DVD 'rips' are copies of DVD recordings so I can watch them on the HD2. The quality of the screen and hardware make it a pleasure to watch films on it.
Yes, you can send images and audio files via bluetooth in the File Explorer. The Album program is great for looking at pictures and videos, but they seem to have missed the bluetooth sending option out.
Unfortunately, I do agree with the HD2 not being 'HD', but there are many technical issues with HD imagery. The HD2 has a much higher resolution than most other mobile devices, so I can see where HTC have made the HD connection.
actually, not to say that HD2 "sux", but the fact that the screen is really "small". the specification says that the screen is 4.3" (WOW) but it is only 480x680? Seriously, i am very very shocked. X1 screen is smaller yet higher resolution...
If you still had the xperia at hand, mind trying one simple thing to do.
Get the same video, place it at your xperia and HD2. view both at once. does xperia looks clearer? do not compare their ratio aspect. Thanks
xxdoggyxx said:
actually, not to say that HD2 "sux", but the fact that the screen is really "small". the specification says that the screen is 4.3" (WOW) but it is only 480x680? Seriously, i am very very shocked. X1 screen is smaller yet higher resolution...
If you still had the xperia at hand, mind trying one simple thing to do.
Get the same video, place it at your xperia and HD2. view both at once. does xperia looks clearer? do not compare their ratio aspect. Thanks
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They are the same resolution, 800 x 480.
The bigger screen makes things a lot easier to navigate (no need for stylus) and you don't need to struggle to watch things on it (some videos I played on the X1 were hard to watch, especially dark ones).
I can't deny there will be a 'quality' difference as the pixels will be bigger, but you don't notice the images going 'blocky' when viewing on an HD2, well I don't anyway.
I find it easier and more comfortable to watch videos on the HD2, for others they may prefer a smaller screen.
No, you don't understand.
The screen is 800x480, de facto it is the maximum for WinMo, as on your Xperia.
But the video recording is 640x480.
The screen is beautiful and huge, so don't worry about that part.
rp-x1 said:
Hi xxDoggyxx,
As a previous X1 owner, I did have reservations about going from a seemingly small device with a hardware keyboard to a big screened touch only device.
I can safely say, I am more than happy with the upgrade! The X1 was a good phone (had its build faults, etc) but the fluidness and ease of use, coupled with the bigger screen makes it worthwhile.
Pros:
- Bigger easier to read screen (even though I have great eyesight, sometimes I did find myself straining to see the X1 details)
- On-screen keyboard (this was a potential no-go for me) it took me less than a week to get used to it from a hardware keyboard (I had one on my last 3 handsets). The haptic feedback seems to really help, but that is an opinion based comment!
- Fluid menus - The SenseUI has actually made me take a step back from SPB's Shell (had the X1 SPB panel) and for most users, it is pretty much there. (There are a few bugs, but it is a complex system)
- Reception - phone reception has been almost double the strength of my X1 in most of the situations I've tested (one of which is my girlfriend's house, which acts like a Faradays Cage to most phones!)
- Facebook/YouTube/Twitter integration - I never really used Twitter that much, nor uploaded any photos to Facebook, but now I actually have decent programs to do it with, its changed my usage pattern totally.
- iPhone comparison - My X1 never really interested my 'iPhone fanboi' mates (I loved it) but a lot of them seem to be jealous now!
- Sat-Nav - I used my X1 all the time as a Sat-Nav device, but with the much bigger screen, the HD2 is a much superior device in this instance.
- Rave reviews - I read the best part of 20 reviews before I upgraded, and most of them only mentioned one or two bad points (pink tinge in camera - solved with update, and windows being the OS - its an opinion whether you like it or not)
Bad points:
- The bigger screen - it may be too big for some, sometimes I've noticed I need to shuffle it around my hand to get to some places, when using it with a single hand. I must admit, watch a few DVD 'rips' on it and the screen is forgiven!
- Little niggles - like not being able to send images via bluetooth (via the Album) - taking a while to be able to type a text reply if you have a lot in your inbox (this is understandable as there is a lot to it!)
- Cost - but there again, when has the bleeding edge of mobile handsets even been cheap?
- Hardware issues - You may come across lots of people complaining on this forum about hardware quality, but then how many people have posted saying it is a fantastic device? Most people only 'pipe up' to complain, not to compliment. I for one are one of the latter.
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Best response imho... I also moved from the X1 to the HD2 and just dont regret it at all... I agree with all the things said by Rp-X1 above, but would also point out that the lack of a hardware keyboard was my biggest worry as I do a lot of typing on my phone and after almost a week I am so used to the HD2 on screen keyboard (using touchpal so I can also type in Chinese) its just awesome... HD2 is better than the X1 in nearly all respects I can think of at the moment... with more playing I expect it to only get better...
xxdoggyxx said:
2 question to ask... Hope you know the answer
640x480 is HD2 screen resolution? surprised. X1 was 480x800... LOL. anyway, it doesn't matter.
Do you know the Fps for recording video?
and:
Mind telling me the maximum screen ratio aspect. is there 16:9? or just 4:3?
thanks sorry if i ask too much question...
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no hd2 resolution is 480 x 800 not 640x480 and here is it"s full specifications in this link
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-2957.php
I switched from an X1 to a Touch HD to an HD2 ...
The X1 was a nice device, but the rather small screen (compared to the other 2 devices) and rather slow performance was the reason to switch to the Touch HD. I have to say it was a very good decision. The whole usability changes with the bigger screen - although it wasn't much faster ... But than the HD2 was announced and I sold my Touch HD. And what can I say: With the HD2 I finally got the perfect device. It feels like a whole device, not tinkered like the X1 or Touch HD - BUT you still have the ability to customize it like X1 or Touch HD. The whole TouchFLO (Sense/Manila - w/e you want to cal it) makes much more sense with the HD2 and the nice speed and stability.
However, there are some downside too ... My HD2 has dust under the screen, other users experience problems with their touchscreen responsiveness and so on ... check the forum for those problems.
I can only agree to all the pros already mentioned about the HD2 vs. Xperia X1.
The HD2 outperforms the Xperia X1 by all meanings.
The only thing you might miss is the hardware keyboard.
However, for me personally, the full power of HD2 was only unleashed thanks
to the Custom ROMs which you can get here in the forum. They complete the
device to a degree which one would love to see out of the box.
Thanks to the community here, I was already able to upgrade my Xperia X1
with the HTC Manila user interface; upgrading to the HD2 was a kind of the
logical next step for me. I don´t regret that purchase for any second.
Whenever I grab my still existing Xperia X1 (or any other device, for that
matter) to compare, I can see and feel a difference like day and night.
At the end of the day, it is always an individual decision to purchase anything.
It is always a mandatory step to touch and feel the product(s) of your choice
at a dealer - whatever other users say may not apply to you.
Thanks for all the comment... Perhaps I will get HD2 by next week. Already sold my x1 Lol.
Btw, whats in the box of HD2? I don't want to get scam by the shop. Thanks
also moved from X1 to HD2..
no disappointment at all!!
great device.. btw.. I still got my X1.. when I use it again my X1 feels soooo slow
xxdoggyxx said:
640x480 is HD2 screen resolution? surprised. X1 was 480x800... LOL. anyway, it doesn't matter.
Do you know the Fps for recording video?
and:
Mind telling me the maximum screen ratio aspect. is there 16:9? or just 4:3?
thanks sorry if i ask too much question...
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x1 display is 800x480
hd2 display is 800x480
x1 can record 640x480 , 640x400(wide) and smaller
hd2 can record 640x480 , and other smaller 4:3 sizes
thanks for the answers. I'm currently also considering a switch from the x1 to the hd2.
Did you (or could you pls) try out if the headphones with the integrated microphone also work on the hd2?
Thanks!