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Verizon 6800 "coming soon" ??

I have been looking in great detail at the new crop of WM6 devices, after almost buying the Sprint Mogul last month (my current carrier).
Does anyone here know the specs and release date for the Verizon 6800 - it's pictured in their new catalog ??
Specifically we like everything about the Mogul except lack of Rev A and now GPS enabled. Any new info on when these "updates" will take place ??? Just read somewhere that Sprint Rev A might be next Spring !!
Scott

anywhereanytime said:
I have been looking in great detail at the new crop of WM6 devices, after almost buying the Sprint Mogul last month (my current carrier).
Does anyone here know the specs and release date for the Verizon 6800 - it's pictured in their new catalog ??
Specifically we like everything about the Mogul except lack of Rev A and now GPS enabled. Any new info on when these "updates" will take place ??? Just read somewhere that Sprint Rev A might be next Spring !!
Scott
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Should be Same Spec like the Mogul, except different carrier.

510jungleboy said:
Should be Same Spec like the Mogul, except different carrier.
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Thanks, but I would hope that Verizon - because Sprint has had a 6 month headstart - would deliver GPS and REV A out-of-the-gate (if they ever were going to )?? When I went today to my local Verizon staore to look at the new Samsung i760 (which they told me a week ago to come back Nov 2nd), they didn't have a date for the 6800, nor any release date or specs.
The pattern is Verizon release to the web first - the i760 was available on the web since mid-Oct.
Any Verizon insiders out there ??

Well this is just based off RUMORS, but they are suppossedly pretty credible info, the XV6800 should be available for web order very soon 11-10 and in stores 11-21.
As far as the release rom, HTC has said as far as the Sprint side is concerned, there will be a major Rom upgrade Q1 2008 (rumored to be the RevA Rom), so I would doubt there will be Rev A on Verizon before that.
It seems to me (just a guess) Verizon has been waiting until the Bluetooth issues were worked out so they could release a mostly "bug free" device, as in the Sprint Rom update on 10-22 that was supposedly going to fix everything but didn't.
The update was taken down by HTC a few days later, so where does that leave Verizon?? Who knows they most likely have their XV6800's loaded with a Rom similar to the updated Sprint Rom that was pulled.

How do you know those dates? Trying to verify... I'm also waiting for this phone.
I can see the 11/21 being true cause I heard that too but what about 11/10? I don't see Verizon putting out a phone on the weekend...
People who work at Verizon can already order the phone so it's ready to go. I would say online release this coming week.

[Unconfirmed] T-Mobile Official Phone Support

So I had to unfortunate encounter of having to replace my new shiny tab because of an issue with the screen. However, I was told by the support tech that T-Mobile will roll out an update that will allow the device to be used as a fully functional phone around January. This is unconfirmed so far by official sources, but I thought it interesting nonetheless.
Cheers,
Robert

Hope it's true, it'll maybe encourage the other North American carriers to do the same.
For T-Mobile, it's probably cheaper than to have to writedown/restock all the returns as otherwise loyal T-Mobile customers are going to AT&T for Tabs, as well as not having to deal with all the failed flashes and the resulting "I don't know, it just stopped working" returns.

That will be lovely.

Seriously? I have 5 days left before I have to return my Tmo tab... I've been putting it off because really don't want to go AT&T...
Robert... I know you can't know for sure... but is your gut feeling that the support tech knew what he/she was talking about? How sure of it did they seem? eg any ambiguity on their part or did it seem like a done deal?

I'm on a few days left too. So tempted to return it for now and get a Nook to tide me over.
Would love phone functionality, but TMobile is doing my head in atm.
Rang them up earlier tonight to get my PAYG card sorted out (as can't update it online). With them wanting my social security number (don't have one) to my PIN number (never got one on a PAYG card), back to demanding my Social security number again (still don't have one), to them hanging up on me as I ask about phone functionality.
I'm at my wits end with Tmobile.
Guess it's going to end up being AT&T and flashed ROM I guess.

kg4mxz said:
So I had to unfortunate encounter of having to replace my new shiny tab because of an issue with the screen. However, I was told by the support tech that T-Mobile will roll out an update that will allow the device to be used as a fully functional phone around January. This is unconfirmed so far by official sources, but I thought it interesting nonetheless.
Cheers,
Robert
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I was talking to T-Mo Tech Support last week about the built-in Qik application and asked him why we didn't have the phone capability. He told me that it would probably be added soon, but I didn't really believe him at the time, figuring he didn't really know what he was talking about. Now I'm beginning to wonder if I judged him too harshly. It will be interesting to see if they charge extra for it, or if it will be included in our current plan.

It wouldn't surprise me if they did. T-Moble usually takes much more of a global view towards their products than all the other US carriers do. I guess it makes sense since they're a European provider & based there.

I just ported my cell number last night from AT&T to Simple Mobile. I've had time to use both devices and running the AT&T Tab at over twice the cost per month just isn't worth it. I can buy a new Tab every year with the money I save!
If the rumor is true, then I'd expect to see a test rom leak out sometime soon.

xexes said:
Seriously? I have 5 days left before I have to return my Tmo tab... I've been putting it off because really don't want to go AT&T...
Robert... I know you can't know for sure... but is your gut feeling that the support tech knew what he/she was talking about? How sure of it did they seem? eg any ambiguity on their part or did it seem like a done deal?
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The support rep was incredibly knowledgable and is infact an xda member. He seemed fairly certain this change was going to be rolled out.

Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
Sent from Jt's Samsung Galaxy Tab!!

jtc442 said:
Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
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Even though thats more of a rhetorical question, I'd guess that yes, they'd eliminate the block.
Just because the Tab has a larger screen than the Vibrant doesn't meant its any more of a data hog.

rotohammer said:
Even though thats more of a rhetorical question, I'd guess that yes, they'd eliminate the block.
Just because the Tab has a larger screen than the Vibrant doesn't meant its any more of a data hog.
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I guess it will depend on how money hungry they are.

Well, I know AT&T will never officially update their device for this. God for bid they do anything to take customers away from the iphone or ipad!

jtc442 said:
Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
Sent from Jt's Samsung Galaxy Tab!!
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I would imagine that you would have to upgrade the plan.

I had an issue a little while ago and had to call into customer service. While i was on the phone, I asked the lady that was helping me about the possible update, and she told me there would be no updates pushed out from tmobile for the galaxy tab, they would all come straight from samsung. She told me i needed to check samsungs website for updates. Fixing to call back. I always get a different answer every single time i call them. Im not saying what the rep told you isnt true, im just adding what they told me.
Sent from Jt's Samsung Galaxy Tab!!

She's probably talking about Kies updates. But that is still a carrier-specific update, tied to the model number of the device.
In other words, Samsung is just the distributor, T-Mobile will still be the final arbiter on the updates.

SO get this, you guys know i work for t-mobile. A higher up told us the current tmo tab is going to be end of life soon.. RIGHT AFTER IT LAUNCHED..Because ...get this...."4G" Tab is coming out very soon. Honestly i could care less because Verizon/Att/Sprint/Tmo are all lies. there is no Such thing as 4G right now in the US, but we have not yet been educated on this update

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SO get this, you guys know i work for t-mobile. A higher up told us the current tmo tab is going to be end of life soon.. RIGHT AFTER IT LAUNCHED..Because ...get this...."4G" Tab is coming out very soon. Honestly i could care less because Verizon/Att/Sprint/Tmo are all lies. there is no Such thing as 4G right now in the US, but we have not yet been educated on this update
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Funny thing is, the current Tab IS 4G in terms of T-Mobile's marketing strategy, ie: Its already HSxPA capable, which is faster than other carriers 4G, hence the way they get away with marketing their Internet speeds as 4G, even though its not a new technology like Sprints.

rotohammer said:
Funny thing is, the current Tab IS 4G in terms of T-Mobile's marketing strategy, ie: Its already HSxPA capable, which is faster than other carriers 4G, hence the way they get away with marketing their Internet speeds as 4G, even though its not a new technology like Sprints.
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But , correct me if im wrong, past HSPA enabled devices where maxed at 7.2 mbps, now the new HSPA+ devices ie. G2, Mytouch 4G are said to reach speeds of 42 mbps. I had a network tech in the store the other day and he was telling me how we are all ready done a full 4G conversion but they are playing the waiting game with Att/Verizon. Just like Comcast and Verizon. one advertises one speed then the 1 up each other every other month or so.

I'm actually waiting on either a ROM hack or an official phone inclusion before I buy the Tab. I simply can't see forking over this much dough on something that I can't use 24/7 like my HD2.
Thanks, OP, for the thread. I was about to start my own

Everyone who snagged it for $600 and have no intentions of using 3G, question:

Do you plan on sending it in for the free 4G upgrade? I think I will, only because in 2 years when its time for an upgrade and Im trying to sell it, it'll probably fetch a higher price.

Yes, I sniped the deal and as of now I have no intentions of using cellular data. Most likely I will send it in to get the 4G modem.
1) Because I may decide I may want it someday.
2) Apparently, there's only a 90 day window after they offer the upgrade to do it. I'd like to get it done in case I decide to sell it.

The upgrade should start in roughly 90 days, but the window is six month from that date.

Has anyone seen exactly where all our Xooms will be need to be shipped for this upgrade? I'm assuming that the address is in the states (or else Motorola is even crazier than we thought), but I was just wondering if anyone had seen which city/state they would all be going to.

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Has anyone seen exactly where all our Xooms will be need to be shipped for this upgrade? I'm assuming that the address is in the states (or else Motorola is even crazier than we thought), but I was just wondering if anyone had seen which city/state they would all be going to.
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You can ship it to my house

droidtacular said:
Has anyone seen exactly where all our Xooms will be need to be shipped for this upgrade? I'm assuming that the address is in the states (or else Motorola is even crazier than we thought), but I was just wondering if anyone had seen which city/state they would all be going to.
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Probably where Motorola Mobility is headquartered in Libertyville Il.

legato89 said:
Do you plan on sending it in for the free 4G upgrade? I think I will, only because in 2 years when its time for an upgrade and Im trying to sell it, it'll probably fetch a higher price.
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I think this it's what's gonna make the sd card work too, if that's the case everyone should send them in.
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No. I will not be shipping it back for the 4G upgrade.
As far as I'm concerned, it'll be the $600 WiFi only XOOM that I wanted Moto to release on launch day. I raised my voice on multiple forums on behalf of the large majority who want a WiFi version, giving solid, valid reasons why Moto needed to release the WiFi version at launch or shortly after. I even got responses from a Moto employee on Engadget and from Matt at the official forum, who both said our concerns were 'being heard' by their superiors. Yet we still only have rumors to go on, and the only official news we have about a WiFi version is that Europe will be getting it in Q2. Since Motorola is failing to give us any info (despite at least 15 messages a day on their twitter asking them directly about it), we can only assume this means that Motorola doesn't plan on releasing the WiFi version here until Europe has it. Fail!
So, do I feel bad about getting a $200 discount? No. For one thing, I thought it was legit until I saw the update on Droid-Life. For another thing, they should have released the WiFi version and they probably wouldn't have had people looking for exploits to save money on their $150 markup (probably more since each 3G radio is under $50 for them).
Sorry for the rant.
*Steps off of soap box*
Carry on.

I'm planning to send my back for the 4G modem.
Has anyone received it yet? On the Track Packages page, the "Items Shipped On:" is blank. When I go to view order, it says shipped on February 24 via one day shipping but no tracking number button. The estimated delivery is Monday - Tuesday.

arrtoodeetoo said:
As far as I'm concerned, it'll be the $600 WiFi only XOOM that I wanted Moto to release on launch day.
Carry on.
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I'm with you on that and have no intention of using it for 3G/4G but I'm sending it back thinking it may be needed for something in the future so all models have the same hardware.

I hate you all. I prepaid it in advance, and bouhgt it on launch day, only to see "those that didn't do so get 200 bucks off"...
I was too busy playing with it to check the news sites that day, and missed the window.
/cry

Im sending mines purely to raise the resale value.
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ixobelle said:
I hate you all. I prepaid it in advance, and bouhgt it on launch day, only to see "those that didn't do so get 200 bucks off"...
I was too busy playing with it to check the news sites that day, and missed the window.
/cry
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Sorry, dude. I know how you feel. It seems like I ALWAYS miss stuff like this, but it's nice to get lucky for once. It's actually the first time I've ever snagged a deal like this (and I've seen lots of online deals caused by mistakes and BARELY missed them. It's frustrating.) My brother caught a 'mistake' deal from Best Buy a few years ago, and all of his friends were pissed, too. lol

I don't use 3G but I'll be doing the update because I plan on selling my Xoom next year when we start seeing quad core tablets.

How is it that some wi-fi only model get 3.1 update before me?

I have the 3G Xoom that I bought the second day after it first came out. I even bought it at the Motorola site.
My question is, how can some wi-fi model get the update before me? I still don't have the update OTA yet. Isn't the wi-fi model suppose to come out after the 3G version. I wonder how this update work?

I heard there is no such thing that wifi users will get after 3G users , at least officially from google.
I think it is kind of scheduled update, batch by batch. So individual case varies.
Hope you will get one very soon! And I did heard Verizon mentioned they will make sure their 3G users get it before end of this week?

Its not a race you get it when its your time complaining won't do you any good

PaulG1488 said:
Its not a race you get it when its your time complaining won't do you any good
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It is true that complaining does not make the update to my Xoom any faster.
However, we all have a brain and we think. When thing doesn't make sense, we have to question it.
If the wi-fi version comes after the 3G version then it is logical that the 3G version should have earlier updates. If it is true that the update is done by batches, then the 3G batches should be done before the wi-fi batches. Wi-fi version came out about 1 month after the 3G version.
Now if number order does not discriminate between the 3G and wi-fi version, then that is another story.
That is why I stated in my first post by my statement of "I wonder how this update work? "

both models are basically the same. they were both "born" at the same time in a lab somewhere. just because the 3G version went on sale first does not mean it should get updates or anything special over the wifi version. people who purchased the launch day product feels a sense of entitlement.. and thats fine, however the Google servers dont discriminate and the updates are pushed out by a certain method Google is using. you dont have to understand it--thats just how it is.
it has been proven that the Google servers dont discriminate because in fact some wifi versions are getting the update before the 3G versions. i have a 3G version and the wifi version sprint started selling on may 8 and the wifi version got the update a couple days after my feb 24 launch day 3G version. both of which have gotten the update before you.
so relax and wait for the update. im in the southeast and depending on where you are could also play a factor. you will get it perhaps tonight or maybe you have it already since your last post?

I have a US purchased Xoom, I live in the UK, am away on holiday in Fuertaventura (Canary Islands) and got the update today...
Ran smoothly,all OK.
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I thinks its like lottery, Google said in a couple of weeks, that is the time to finish the roll out, if its June already and you haven't received anything then start crying and complain, in the mean time just hold on tight, and check for updates, or do like me and others, build your own OTG and do it yourself.
On a side note...
Just because you bought the 3G/4G version with 1000 years warranty and all the accessories and a contract for 40 years paid in advance doesn't mean you're gonna get it first...
Following that same scheme then The GOLDEN xoom's that were given at the oscars should be the first ones to receive the update. anyone heard of them?

Samsung Galaxy S 4G Gets Gingerbread Update Via Kies, Vibrant Still Doesn't!!!!!!!!!!

This just makes me angry. Galaxy S 4G is getting an update to Gingerbread via Kies:
WHERE IS OUR UPDATE??????????
Do you think this update will help Vibrant development at all? Maybe Gingerbread GPS drivers can be pulled from it and work on our phone? 911 calling issue fix?
"Beginning November 15, a software update will be available for the Samsung Galaxy S 4G. The update will upgrade the device to Android 2.3./Software version T959VUVKJ6.
Devices upgrading to Android 2.3./Software version T959VUVKJ6 will benefit from various improvements based on customer feedback.
Devices upgrading to T959VUVKJ6 will benefit from:
Android 2.3(Gingerbread)
Google Security Patch
Camera enhancements
Wi-Fi enhancements
Note: The upgrade to KJ6 is NOT required. You may opt out of the upgrade and continue using software version T959VUVKD1.
Important:
This upgrade will not be sent to devices Over the Air (OTA / FOTA) - Instead, you must install the upgrade by connecting your Galaxy S 4G to a PC using Samsung Kies Mini software. "
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1810

Yup. It pissed me off too when I read it. I'm hoping that we can benefit from this update. The more and more I look at it, it is starting to turn out that I might as well just pony up the cash for a SGSII.

at this point I don't care about an update, the only reason I would be interested would be to better my battery life on miui. Oh well I will my have my sgs2 next week.

Why are you guys getting sgs2 when you can clearly see the lackluster costumer support from T-Mobile. You're going to be in the same situation in a couple of months with no ics. I hope your planning on getting the international version and not the T-Mobile version. Don't let your compulsion reward the T-Mobile execs who failed us. I don't know about you but with stable CM 7.1 eb streamline kernel and my added ffc I've got a phone that hasn't given any problems and given me all the features that I could want from any newer phone. Just my two cents, not meant to tell you what to do.
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Got a text today from T-Mobile, today marks 1 year of being a loyal customer. What a joke!! SGSII, I think I'll wait a coupla monthes, see what else they got.

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Why are you guys getting sgs2 when you can clearly see the lackluster costumer support from T-Mobile. You're going to be in the same situation in a couple of months with no ics. I hope your planning on getting the international version and not the T-Mobile version. Don't let your compulsion reward the T-Mobile execs who failed us. I don't know about you but with stable CM 7.1 eb streamline kernel and my added ffc I've got a phone that hasn't given any problems and given me all the features that I could want from any newer phone. Just my two cents, not meant to tell you what to do.
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EXACTLY what I was going to say! T-mobile smacks us Vibrant users hard, denying us gingerbread when other carriers are providing it to their Galaxy S customers, and our response is ... to buy a new, more expensive phone from T-mobile?
Not me. I would feel way too much like a $ucker. I'm not buying another phone from T-mobile. I'll go international on the SGS II or I won't go at all. And when my contract is up I'll remember how T-mobile snubbed their Vibrant customers.

To be fair Verizon is just as bad. It seems that the American mobile market is terrible compared to the international market. Say what you want about apple but at least they told the carriers to go shove a stick up their asses.
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There's a link in the update to a Mini Kies for Mac. Is that new?
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T-Mobile spit in our face they should at least allow us to get drivers
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dardani89 said:
Why are you guys getting sgs2 when you can clearly see the lackluster costumer support from T-Mobile. You're going to be in the same situation in a couple of months with no ics. I hope your planning on getting the international version and not the T-Mobile version. Don't let your compulsion reward the T-Mobile execs who failed us. I don't know about you but with stable CM 7.1 eb streamline kernel and my added ffc I've got a phone that hasn't given any problems and given me all the features that I could want from any newer phone. Just my two cents, not meant to tell you what to do.
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i'm getting one for $300 new and if its not up to par, I will sell it and make a profit. I want a bigger screen, the phone is fast enough for anything I'll ever do. Also there will always be something better around the corner.

If a car manufacturer sold 2011 cars that got a certain mpg, and in 2012 they sell that same exact car but they tweaked the way the car's computer was programmed so it got a better gas mileage, would the car manufacturer offer to reprogram your car's computer for free? Nope. Customers would pay more money on gas for as long as they own that car. Funny how nobody complains about free car engine computer upgrades that are available to similar cars with identical engines and computers (when it hits them in the wallet!), but we cry because our cell phones aren't upgraded to an operating system that is only available on different phones with different processors.
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Why are you guys getting sgs2 when you can clearly see the lackluster costumer support from T-Mobile. You're going to be in the same situation in a couple of months with no ics.
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The Vibrant got one upgrade, from 2.1 to 2.2; if we are going to base our future expectations on the Vibrant's history, we should assume the SGSII will get one upgrade - probably to ICS.
Now back to your question: why get a SGSII? I think that for the most part people are first choosing T-Mobile, and second choosing the phones T-Mobile has to offer. For the most part the SGSII is 'better' than the Vibrant, that's why people are getting one. In a year there will be phones that are 'better' than the SGSII and people will buy those phones. That's why.
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To be fair Verizon is just as bad.
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ATT is bad too. Can anyone name an American carrier that is awesome at updating their phones? You can name some examples from a specific carrier, but that same carrier will have phones that they 'should have' upgraded but never did.

Guys, be patient and wait for Galaxy Nexus. You would never have to wait again )

CharlieBoy808 said:
Yup. It pissed me off too when I read it. I'm hoping that we can benefit from this update. The more and more I look at it, it is starting to turn out that I might as well just pony up the cash for a SGSII.
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Buying a SGS2 On T-Mobile would be the worst mistake you could ever make. Didn't you learn a lesson from the Vibrant fiasco?
HTC and Motorola have both made statements on ICS updates. Samsung USA has not said one thing about ICS update. SGS2 on T-mobile is different from all the other variants of SGS2. SGS2 on Vibrant internals are so different that it probably requires a bunch of unique drivers not common to the other SGS2 variants. Trust me don't but the SGS2. You will be lucky to get ICS and if you do it will probably come a year from now, by that time the next version of Android will be out and Samsung will have LONG FORGOTTEN SGS2 on T-Mobile. Don't make the same mistake TWICE.

dardani89 said:
Why are you guys getting sgs2 when you can clearly see the lackluster costumer support from T-Mobile. You're going to be in the same situation in a couple of months with no ics. I hope your planning on getting the international version and not the T-Mobile version. Don't let your compulsion reward the T-Mobile execs who failed us. I don't know about you but with stable CM 7.1 eb streamline kernel and my added ffc I've got a phone that hasn't given any problems and given me all the features that I could want from any newer phone. Just my two cents, not meant to tell you what to do.
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Perfectly stated!

From a chat session with t-mobile support:
Please wait while we find an agent to assist you...
You have been connected to ~Craig M.
Me: When will the Gingerbread update for the Vibrant be available?
~Craig M:* Welcome to T-Mobile live Chat. My name is Craig and I will be happy to assist you. For your reference my Rep ID is 1320828. Please give me a moment while I open your account.
Me:* Hi Craig. Thank you
Me:* I read this article today: http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1810
~Craig M:* I have read your question and will be more than happy to assist you with your request. For the protection of your account, may I have the last four digits of your social please?
Me:* ####
Me:* I would like to know when a Gingerbread update for the original Samsung Vibrant will be available.
~Craig M:* As per the article, the update will start being sent out effective November 15th, however this is for the Galaxy S 4G, which is newer than the Samsung Vibrant.
Me:* Right, I understand that.
Me:* Seeing as Vibrant owners already feel somewhat ripped off by the Galaxy S 4G, I was just wondering if the release of GB for the GS4G had led to any new information on the future release of GB for the Vibrant.
~Craig M:* Unfortunately, we do not have any information regarding an update for the Vibrant.
Me:* Lovely. Well if you could please pass along my interest to whoever you can I would greatly appreciate it. Getting awfully tired of picking up Android phones from t-mobile that never get the upgrades that were originally promised.
~Craig M:* I can certainly pass that along. Did you have any other questions that I can answer for you today?
Me:* No that's all. Thank you for your time.

if you want updates, get a Nexus.
Just that simple.

We were promised an update to Froyo. It took a bit of pressure to even have that released, but we got it. We were never promised an update to Gingerbread, so they have no obligation to give us one. And it makes no financial sense for them anyway, which is what it really comes down to. I'm not saying I like it, that's just the way it is. We will not be getting an update to Gingerbread.

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If a car manufacturer sold 2011 cars that got a certain mpg, and in 2012 they sell that same exact car but they tweaked the way the car's computer was programmed so it got a better gas mileage, would the car manufacturer offer to reprogram your car's computer for free? Nope. Customers would pay more money on gas for as long as they own that car. Funny how nobody complains about free car engine computer upgrades that are available to similar cars with identical engines and computers (when it hits them in the wallet!), but we cry because our cell phones aren't upgraded to an operating system that is only available on different phones with different processors.
The Vibrant got one upgrade, from 2.1 to 2.2; if we are going to base our future expectations on the Vibrant's history, we should assume the SGSII will get one upgrade - probably to ICS.
ATT is bad too. Can anyone name an American carrier that is awesome at updating their phones? You can name some examples from a specific carrier, but that same carrier will have phones that they 'should have' upgraded but never did.
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You are missing a big point here. Sure, nice car analogy, but what if you have a Toyota and they don't update your gas mileage, but Ford does update a similar model car? Would you still be just as likely to buy a Toyota next time?
That's what we have here. I have a Droid X and a Vibrant (and a Galaxy S 4G for that matter). The Droid X and Vibrant came out virtually within days of each other. I've had official GB on my Droid X for months now. Vibrant will never get GB. The Droid X also had Froyo months before the Vibrant. Both phones were released with Eclair.
So, when I'm getting my next phone, I'm certainly going to factor that in. I know Motorola/Verizon will be more apt to update my phone as compared to Samsung/TMobile (personally, I put more of the blame on Samsung than TMobile, but that's debatable).
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We were promised an update to Froyo. It took a bit of pressue to even have that released, but we got it. We were never promised an update to Gingerbread, so they have no obligation to give us one. And it makes no financial sense for them anyway, which is what it really comes down to.
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Not sure about that. Buy a Motorola/Verizon phone next time because you are more likely to get future updates and it does affect Samsung financially. I doubt that too many people will make that a big factor in their decision, but, over time, the bad reputation could start to have a deeper impact to Samsung's financials.
It all comes down to the finances. Motorola/Verizon bean counters calculated that the upgrade to GB made financial sense and Samsung/TMobile calculated that it didn't.

They're not giving us anymore updates. IMO this has been apparent for a long time. A $500 phone has pretty much become obsolete as far as TMob/Samsung are concerned. What I'm wondering is who's to blame? Did TMob drop the ball, or Samsung? Either way I'm leaving TMob, and won't be purchasing any more Samsung products. Screw 'em both. I will not spend hundreds on a new phone every year, which is exactly what they want.

Anyone interest in a Morotola, maybe take a glance and Motorola's Bootloader policy here http://blog.opticaldelusion.org/2010/08/clearly-you-have-no-idea-what-efuse-is.html and here http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/Booting_chain.
Since XDA is abound with noobs and hackers, it should be known that the EFuse chip will not let you change your bootloader or run any type of FastBoot-OEM Unlock. Just letting you know it will trip the chip and brick instantly.
I came from a Motorola that was never scheduled to get a 2.2 update and we hacked it and created our own, but took some serious time and support, none of which came from Morotola or our carrier. In fact our carrier released their "official" version of 2.2 and when we broke it down, found our code in the libs, modules,...Since open source, what could we do?
Just an fyi to anyone that is wanting to move to a Motorola (albeit the Atrix boot unlock was leaked, but as far as I know, that is the only one in the whole Mfamily).