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Can we try and develop some apps that take advantage of the multi touch pad at the bottom of the phone?
Maybe something like the iPhones picture viewer to zoom or rotate.
To be honest I only recently found out about the multi touch pad by using NavDbgTool.exe.
But surely it has some potential - maybe mixing it with g sensor function
you can zoom and rotate with a finger, holding the pda with one hand (just draw a circle to zoom, and a semi-circle to rotate)
oh wow what a revolutionary idea, im sure no one here, especially no developer has thought about that before......
hhmm! Help from a senior member.. usual.. Sarcasm from a junior member... refeshing
So where can i find apps that take advantage of the multi touch ?
I am aware of the circular zoom function in htc album, but i was thinking of the resize and rotate function like on iPhone and microsoft surface.
Surely "every developer" has thought of replicating that?
I have a real practical use for that pad-
On the HTC Touch Pro it is ideal for a scroll bar area. Most apps do not support the navi-wheel for scrolling, and the navi-wheel is incredibly imprecise in any case. having the area from the Home to the Back key be a scroll strip would be great for scrolling down long documents or web pages.
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hedgemonstahinz said:
So where can i find apps that take advantage of the multi touch ?
I am aware of the circular zoom function in htc album, but i was thinking of the resize and rotate function like on iPhone and microsoft surface.
Surely "every developer" has thought of replicating that?
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You mean something like this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406206
I wonder why noone has noticed that problem yet, so I'm creating a new thread.
HTC has removed the rotate gesture from the Album. They say it's because there is a G#Sensor now.
But that's bull****. Just think: What happens if you rotate the device because the orientation of a picture is wrong?
The picture rotates also, because of the G-Sensor, and it's wrong again.
That's VERY annoying! Is there any Album version (perhaps from Diamond) where the rotate gesture is still there?
I experienced what you mean for the first time today and didn't know what was going on.
For those who don't know what we are talking about......
This only happens when you take a picture with the lens looking straight down (for example when taking a picture of a page in a book). If you were to hang the book on the wall and take a picture of it, you would not have this problem. Test it for yourself, so you see what we mean. Take a picture of your keyboard standing directly above it. Or try one of the ceiling directly above you. Now go to your album and view the picture of the keyboard. Rotate your phone.
The annoying solution after having taking a picture like this is to hold the phone upright so the picture is nice and big. Then, carefully set the phone down on the desk and THEN turn it to the side (so the G-sensor won't register the turn).
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I experienced what you mean for the first time today and didn't know what was going on.
For those who don't know what we are talking about......
This only happens when you take a picture with the lens looking straight down (for example when taking a picture of a page in a book). If you were to hang the book on the wall and take a picture of it, you would not have this problem. Test it for yourself, so you see what we mean. Take a picture of your keyboard standing directly above it. Or try one of the ceiling directly above you. Now go to your album and view the picture of the keyboard. Rotate your phone.
The annoying solution after having taking a picture like this is to hold the phone upright so the picture is nice and big. Then, carefully set the phone down on the desk and THEN turn it to the side (so the G-sensor won't register the turn).
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i cant really get the problem here.. if i take a picture while holding my phone upright it'll look best in portrait mode.. if i rotate it then i'll look smaller.. now if i take the picture holding the phone in landscape. the picture will look small in the default portrait mode and will look nice and big when i rotate the phone..
i cant seem to reproduce your issue here!
umexed said:
i cant really get the problem here.. if i take a picture while holding my phone upright it'll look best in portrait mode.. if i rotate it then i'll look smaller.. now if i take the picture holding the phone in landscape. the picture will look small in the default portrait mode and will look nice and big when i rotate the phone..
i cant seem to reproduce your issue here!
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When you take the picture - are you pointing the camera straight down at the floor or straight up toward the sky? I don't mean slightly aimed at the floor - I mean the lens needs to point directly down or directly up. That is the only way you will reproduce our issue.
maati said:
I wonder why noone has noticed that problem yet, so I'm creating a new thread.
HTC has removed the rotate gesture from the Album. They say it's because there is a G#Sensor now.
But that's bull****. Just think: What happens if you rotate the device because the orientation of a picture is wrong?
The picture rotates also, because of the G-Sensor, and it's wrong again.
That's VERY annoying! Is there any Album version (perhaps from Diamond) where the rotate gesture is still there?
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I miss the rotate gesture as well. I took my 'old micro SD' from my 'old' touch dual and put it in my HD. The HD doesn't now 'know' how the pictures are taken so some I like to rotate.. but how can this be done with the HD?
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When you take the picture - are you pointing the camera straight down at the floor or straight up toward the sky? I don't mean slightly aimed at the floor - I mean the lens needs to point directly down or directly up. That is the only way you will reproduce our issue.
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indeed you are right! the problem here is that when you do take a picture this way to Album rotates too.. so the previews are messed up! now if you close the album and open it in portrait mode your issue is fixed!
im not sure about this but before installing apps like gsen, gyrator or mobile magic the album doesnt rotate when you rotate your phone.. only the picture preview does!
someone check it please!
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... now if you close the album and open it in portrait mode your issue is fixed!
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Are you sure? I still have the issue no matter what mode I start the album in. The only solution I have found is placing the phone flat on a table and then turning it so the g-sensor doesn't catch the rotation.
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Viewing the pics in slideshow mode and pausing it is also a solution, but annoying.
I took all my pictures normally, not pointing to the floor. Some are alright, some are turned upside down, some are turned to the side.
The camera doesn't get the right orientation, perhaps Gyrator confused the camera. I turned Gyrator off but I often take photos of documents, too and that's just annoying when they have the wrong orientation and I can't rotate them....
manual screen rotation
greetz first to all, you´r doing an amazing job!!!
not really a problem solver but maybe worth trying:
disable picture rotation in gyr2 for album
install aebuttonplus
assign "rotate picture" and "rotate picture clockwise" to button (for example volume up and down, long press)
=> rotate screen when viewing photos as desired!
...have to admit i haven´t tested it yet
S2V is an alternative to HTC Album. Picture rotation is working in S2V, but no zoom because the HD has no DPad
Is there anyway to manual change the picture orientations? Like a picture that has a wrong orientation when you put it on the HD, the auto rotation would mess it up all the time, either view it on the side or makes it so small that it just a waste of the screen estate.
It's a problem I notice a lot when I get photo messages. Most of the time the photo I receive is the wrong way round, and I can't find a way to make it switch round. So I get landscape shots that only show in portrait with big black bars top and bottom and vice versa.
I'm going to try using XN View to manually change the orientation as a workaround. But it'd be nice to have the Rotate Gesture.
Any Updates? This problem has gotten even worse with Dutty's laest ROM...
Is there a way to turn off the G-Sensor for the HTC Album?
Try this cab
With this cab you lose WVGA in the menu (it is annoying but you're still able to use it), but the most important thing is that making a 90º gesture rotates the picture.
In my case I needed a soft reset after installing (my HD freezed just the first time it started up, not the second)
Hope it helps.
Hi, I've been seeing a lot of development for the Touch line of phones and they all have awesome programs for gesturing the capacitive screen.
I really hope Xperia stays popular long enough to have some pro do something like this for the optical stick. Such as using optical stick to zoom in and out; I'd really like to see that functionality in opera, instead of page scrolling.
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Hi, I've been seeing a lot of development for the Touch line of phones and they all have awesome programs for gesturing the capacitive screen.
I really hope Xperia stays popular long enough to have some pro do something like this for the optical stick. Such as using optical stick to zoom in and out; I'd really like to see that functionality in opera, instead of page scrolling.
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Lol. Who uses optical joystick? I tonly comes in ur way when you want to navigate with they hardwarekeys.
optical joystick works better than using finger to scroll in opera mobile. not as good in other browsers
I used to want the option to zoom using the trackpad, however, that has really changed. I use the trackpad to scroll, I keep it set to the fastest setting, and I'm able to flick through menus and opera pages extremely quickly. It works really well for me, I can't imagine not having it...its a pretty good jog dial replacement imo.
Hi there,
I am the only one here really annoyed by the implementation of "Pinch To Zoom" inside Opera Mobile ?
First I thought that it was because of my chubby fat fingers but after several tests it definitely is an Opera Mobile issue :
I suppose that because of the text reflow after the pinch to zoom, the screen is never centered where I actually zoomed in but shifted at "miles away" and I have to scroll a lot to find the spot where I actually pinched to zoom in
This is worse and worse as you try to zoom in a lot on a small area, typically in XDA forums if trying to zoom in a lot on the tiny page links at the bottom right of the page " First < 1 2 3 ... Last >" to display them big enough to easily click them with the finger or thumb, I have to pinch to zoom, then scroll a lot to recenter them, then pinch to zoom again, then scroll again to center again, to finally be able to click the link !
I think that Opera Mobile should keep the screen centered on the spot where the pinch to zoom was executed !
Lord.Nibbler said:
Hi there,
I am the only one here really annoyed by the implementation of "Pinch To Zoom" inside Opera Mobile ?
First I thought that it was because of my chubby fat fingers but after several tests it definitely is an Opera Mobile issue :
I suppose that because of the text reflow after the pinch to zoom, the screen is never centered where I actually zoomed in but shifted at "miles away" and I have to scroll a lot to find the spot where I actually pinched to zoom in
This is worse and worse as you try to zoom in a lot on a small area, typically in XDA forums if trying to zoom in a lot on the tiny page links at the bottom right of the page " First < 1 2 3 ... Last >" to display them big enough to easily click them with the finger or thumb, I have to pinch to zoom, then scroll a lot to recenter them, then pinch to zoom again, then scroll again to center again, to finally be able to click the link !
I think that Opera Mobile should keep the screen centered on the spot where the pinch to zoom was executed !
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It is possible but awkward like you say. I find that if you put your thumb at the bottom of the screen and move up with you index finger (so move only one finger) it recentres better than moving both fingers.
I also get huge fonts (set on "Small") eg http://m.google.com/calendar
sometimes text do not reflow to fit screen.
sometimes clicking on links don't work, no response, BUT zoomin/out works.
weird shtuff
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I find that if you put your thumb at the bottom of the screen and move up with you index finger (so move only one finger) it recentres better than moving both fingers.
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I only partially agree
I also noticed that if you do it this way it would center a little bit better as you somewhat keep the screen anchored with your thumb and because you remove the risk of inadvertently scroll a little the text while pinch to zooming or when you remove your fingers off the screen.
Yet if you zoom a lot as for clicking on the damned "< 1 2 3 ... Last>" links it definitely s*cks ! You can see that the text is ok before opera re-render and reflow the text then the text run away
I certainly wouldn't call this a major problem, all it takes is scrolling a little after zooming in, and it's definitely much better than having no reflow - I tried Safari on my wife's iPhone, and it's much more painful.
I agree ...
- it's definitely better than no reflow or no pinch to zoom at all
- it's probably better than iPhone (never gone to the dark side of the force )
but
- if would be definitely better if Opera remembered the position of the center spot of pinch to zoom and then recenter itself there
For most of the links as a word or a sentence underlined or an image link it is OK ... but for the really small links as the <1 2 3 ... Last> ones below it just a pain (maybe you have less chubby fat fingers than me )
Just sticking my oar in, but from an experienced developer's point of view, what you are asking for is a COMPLETE nightmare to develop!
You're actually saying that you want Opera to remember what text is at the centre point of your pinch-to-zoom action, and then find it, after text re-flow, and center it on the page again.
This is ridiculously difficult.
Open an image in Opera and you'll see that it does actually center on where you pinch, but that's obviously because there's no text re-flow in the case of an image. (Incidentally, I mean an image, and not a page with an image on it. The URL should end with an image extension, such as .jpg, .png etc..)
I'm not saying you're all wingers or anything like that, as I too would love this to work in the way you all say you want. I'm just adding a bit of perspective.
I agree it is difficult ... yet not more that rendering the web pages or doing the text reflow itself ! Don't get me wrong, I respect the great job done by opera software ... yet they can do better
Opera is a browser coded from scratch, all the rendering is under opera software developers control. It is not like they are using some memo or third party component to do the reflow and have no control over how it draws itself. They render all the code word by word, letter by letter, pixel by pixel, where they decide to render it. So I suppose they can tag a word or link that will be the center, then do the text reflow, then center back at the right place.
Yet I would also appreciate a simple workaround : a timeout of 1 or 2 seconds to wait after pinch to zoom before the text reflow is done. This way I can zoom my link and click it before it runs away
I usually just double tap because of this. It still works best.
I am 100% in agreement with you. I just bought my wife a iPhone 3gs and I love using safari. I think its a great browser because its very smooth and easy to use. The pinch to zoom feature is very nice I can zoom exactly where I need to go with very little effort. I just received my HD2 Telstra yesterday and have to say that Opera is really bad and not as responsive. I have spent the last couple of hours trying to find a safari like browser with no luck. Lets hope that with wm7 IE gets a little closer to Apples implementation of a browser.
Lord.Nibbler said:
Hi there,
I am the only one here really annoyed by the implementation of "Pinch To Zoom" inside Opera Mobile ?
First I thought that it was because of my chubby fat fingers but after several tests it definitely is an Opera Mobile issue :
I suppose that because of the text reflow after the pinch to zoom, the screen is never centered where I actually zoomed in but shifted at "miles away" and I have to scroll a lot to find the spot where I actually pinched to zoom in
This is worse and worse as you try to zoom in a lot on a small area, typically in XDA forums if trying to zoom in a lot on the tiny page links at the bottom right of the page " First < 1 2 3 ... Last >" to display them big enough to easily click them with the finger or thumb, I have to pinch to zoom, then scroll a lot to recenter them, then pinch to zoom again, then scroll again to center again, to finally be able to click the link !
I think that Opera Mobile should keep the screen centered on the spot where the pinch to zoom was executed !
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Hi, might I suggest you give opera 10 beta a try , it does not have pinch and zoom which would be good for you also it does have other useful enhancements you might also like.
http://www.opera.com/mobile/
I use double tapping as well so I'm not that bothered with that.
What bothers me more thou is when I click on the link and then go back to the same page it never goes back to the same part of a website. Its soooooo annoying.
Lord.Nibbler said:
Hi there,
I am the only one here really annoyed by the implementation of "Pinch To Zoom" inside Opera Mobile ?
First I thought that it was because of my chubby fat fingers but after several tests it definitely is an Opera Mobile issue :
I suppose that because of the text reflow after the pinch to zoom, the screen is never centered where I actually zoomed in but shifted at "miles away" and I have to scroll a lot to find the spot where I actually pinched to zoom in
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This annoys the hell out of me, as well - as you say, it's particularly annoying when trying to zoom in on a very small link (like the page numbers of a thread on this forum, or the "jump to first unread message in this thread" link from the contents page).
To those who are advocating double-tapping "instead", that works fine for reading text, but it doesn't zoom in nearly far enough to allow you to click on a very small link. If you could double-tap several times to zoom in successive levels, that would be fine, but you can't - the second double-tap zooms out again. (Any way to change this?)
I downloaded office 2010 mobile and I believe IE was included or I just didn't see it before (New rom and New device HD2). I ran IE and what an improvement microsoft has made. The rendering using the zoom bar seems as nice as safari. The biggest issue again is pinch to zoom. My HD2 rocks but without pinch to zoom browser it pretty much makes it a pain.
Shasarak said:
This annoys the hell out of me, as well - as you say, it's particularly annoying when trying to zoom in on a very small link (like the page numbers of a thread on this forum, or the "jump to first unread message in this thread" link from the contents page).
To those who are advocating double-tapping "instead", that works fine for reading text, but it doesn't zoom in nearly far enough to allow you to click on a very small link. If you could double-tap several times to zoom in successive levels, that would be fine, but you can't - the second double-tap zooms out again. (Any way to change this?)
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is it possible to disable text re-flow?
ok so this is about the only major bug i have with opera ...you tap to zoom and it flys off and zooms in where you were not looking !!! and if you're zoomed in under the double tap and then try to pinch zoom a bit more to click the tiny "1,2,3...last" on forum links it will fly off again....im forever having to try and find where i was on a page ...soooooooooooo annoying !
how do we fix this ??
how about this for annoying....i am reading a post and the screen locks. i unlock and the browser jumps to the top agsin!
try iris 1.1.9 web browser.. its like safari with webkits support except it was bought by RIM blackberry before it even finetune itself ...non the less it works
I also hope this issue gets resolved. Pinch to zoom doesn't center where I actually zoom in.
Maybe im late on this idea but i had a idea for a zoom function similar to that on the iphone (not that i like iphones) but the pinch to zoom function is usefull and would be great and my tilt2.
is it possible to make an app where you hold a button (ptt preferrably cuz its unmapped anyway) and press on the screen where you want to zoom and as you slide your finger down away from that point it would zoom in and the opposite when going up.
im not much a dev but id love to see this made