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answering machine software???

hi guys, i couldnt help noticing that when i previously used nokia 6600 (symbian s60) they had few 3rd party that is able to make use of their audio mechanism during callls. for example, one software can make selected background noise for opposite callers so they think that u are at a train station for example when infact u r silently at home. another software is an on board answering machine, which after the phone rang for a few times it answer the fonecall with your automated recorded voice and recorded a msg left by the caller on the fone. this is convenient for us so we dont need to call back our voicemail and reduce cost as well as some telco charge to use their voicemail service. im surprised these kind of software have not came out for our windows mobile device when its already available for symbian. im sure it shouldnt be that hard to make it. any coder expert wanna give it a go??

cutefox, what kind of searches have you made for this software on this board? Did you have much luck?
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i already tried commercial such as handango and pocket gear.. even freeware sites also no luck.. jus dun understand why no 1 made one yet.. shouldnt b too hard to make one.. it will be a big market to sell such a software for our ppc phone device now that more devices is coming out..

Cutefox: have you tried searching this board? Let me save you the effort, but it'll be a good idea next time. It's not generally considered possible, at least on WM2003 devices because of both hardware and software limitations. It's not that no one has thought of it before: someone seems to think of it approximately every two days... but there are many many threads on this issue.
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Look at what I said here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=9761
That sums up why we can't do it using the api's available to us now. The funny thing is the way bluetooth sends the audio stream to a headset. Obviously the data is getting there somehow but I suspect it is not (directly) via windows. Dose anyone know if the radio hardware for bluetooth is connected to the radio hardware for the phone? My guess is that if you could write a program that windows "sees" as a headset then you could get the audio that way. But thats a problem in itself.
I would love this kind of program myself. How is it that such usefull devices with so many capeabilities can be kept secret from us. We can't use the camera, we can't get the cell id on towers, we can't programatically controll the partnerships in blutooth, we cant get the audio stream of our own phone, the events on some ppc's that control brightness are secret..... the list goes on. This kind of #@!!$$ is going to hurt the future of these devices which I otherwise love.

OdeeanRDeathshead: I had read your previous posts, and as ever, very interesting and informative reading. I had the same idea regarding a "dummy" bluetooth device a while back, but mamaich put me in my place!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=179839#179839
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thanks vijay555, thats what I have suspected about the hardware. What I want to do is a bit different. The bluetooth can communicate to many devices at once. If your program could appear to be a headset to the os, then the phone bluetooth hardware could transmit the audio to the headset at the same time your program uses bluetooth to receive it. Kind of like a loop out of the box to bridge the lack of functionality. This shifts the problem to how dose a hardware bluetooth headset communicate. Emulate this and we are on a winner. I don't think I have the willingness to pull my devices appart. I also do not have the money for some of the hardware (eg good digital oscilliscope) that I would need to measure whats going on. I did read that microsoft are about to expose some new api to allow control over the pairing process (but not the audio stream). I hope that we get some soon.
Is there going to be any new (for 2005) free development tools like the evc versions used today?

OdeeanRDeathshead: re eVC, I don't think so. The "express editions" are free, but they specifically omit the functionality to develop "mobile solutions".
Re the loop back. That's a good idea. I think mamaich is our best bet on schematics, I think that would be very helpful. As you "rave", it's mindboggling that Microsoft still haven't revealed or implemented a way to interact with the audio channels. It must have been one of the first things one could imagine doing once you develop a PDA with a phone stuck on the back of it.
Any idea if the bluetooth stacks could support transmitting and receiving simultaneously in this manner? I know some of the boys are working on alternative bluetooth support for the stereo headset profiles, so they might be able to shed some light on the issues involved. I guess the processor overhead could be hefty, but for the benefit it would be beneficial.
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TomTom: Worth it?

I still use my old XDA 1 (Himilaya) for sat nav (running TomTom5 - haven't upgraded to 6 yet) with a wired GPS mouse, so both the GPS receiver and XDA are always charging when the ignition is on/engine running. I leave all that kit in the car all the time. I've also got an MDA Pro (Universal) and am thinking of using that for TomTom instead because:
a) Take advantage of the data tariff on it and subscribe to Traffic Plus (or whatever TomTom call it)
b) I also intend to get a Parrot CK bluetooth add on for the car (allow the car speakers to be part of a speakerphone) so I can make/receive calls and also listen to WMAs whilst driving (I hate all headphones)
So, questions.
1) TomTom5 works really well on the original XDA 1 (no crashes, smooth scrolling, very responsive, etc). Will it work just as well on my Universal?
2) If using the traffic service (over GPRS/UMTS), will voice calls still come through OK? T Mobile UK
3) Would pretty much any BT GPS unit off ebay be OK?
4) How long do the batteries last before needing a charge on these BT units?
5) Are there any wired solutions, so I don't need batteries and the Universal could also be on charge? I'd much prefer that.
6) Is the traffic service good? I mean, does it warn/reroute you sufficiently in advance? Does it know, for instance, that some roads are always slow and avoid them?
7) Anything in TomTom6 worth the ugprade over 5?
Or should I forget the traffic (and still rely on the radio) and just stick to the satus quo, or maybe still get the BT thing for MP3/WMAs? Anyone got any experience of a similar setup to report? TomTom5 on the XDA is one of very few tech products with which I'm completely and utterly happy.

Can no one help on any of the questions?

Hi Xiasma,
I sell a Car Kit for £40, which sounds like it should do what you want.
http://www.mdapro.co.uk/shop/xcart/T-Mobile-MDA-PRO-Handsfree-Custom-Car-Kit-with-speaker-pr-36.html
It'll charge your phone and GPS at the same time, amplify the voice, etc. and comes with 3 different mounts to attach to your car. I haven't sold many and one person is complaining about people not hearing him when he makes recieves a call, although we've proved that the microphone is working correctly. See this thread for an in depth discussion on pro's, con's, etc.
http://www.mdapro.co.uk/phpBB-2.0.18/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=275
I have no experiance of other solutions, but I think that as you have problems with loudspeaker, you'll have the same trouble as the guy in the thread. The thread goes on a bit, but I think you'll find it usefull.
Any bluetooth GPS reciever should work well with your phone, but I'd advise going for one with a Sirf III chipset, people seem to find them much better than sirf II. I have some new ones due in next week around the £50 mark, which sound a better deal than any others I sell at the minute.
HTH
Dave

That's great, Dave, thanks. It's got a built in microphone, but does it have line out so I could have the sound going through my car speakers (ie for MP3 and the like)? That would be perfect. Well, almost, I'd prefer to mount the MDA Pro open with the keyboard underneath - I guess this won't allow that, will it?
How many hours use does a good BT GPS unit last between charges?

Hi Xiasma,
unfortunately it doesn't have a line out, but I've seen Y-adapters around for a few pence which could well serve the purpose you require.
As you wish to plug it into your stereo anyway, you don't neccessarily need an amplified mount. Herbert Richter make several suitable mounts and a body which will hold your device with the keyboard open. (Laptop Style) It has cutouts for most buttons, sockets, etc. So you could easily plug your phone in to charge and connect it to your stereo.
Heres a good GPS reciever, the manufacturer claims the battery will last 11 hours. I honestly haven't tested one myself, so I don't know how accurate this info is.
http://www.mdapro.co.uk/shop/xcart/GlobalSat-359S-Sirf-III-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver-pr-42.html
HTH
Dave

using gps within an airplane

Has anybody made experiences in using the gps within airplanes/airliners? Does the sensivity suffice to work within an airliner? During a flight as a passenger I would like to follow the flight with a moving map.

Unless you get a very lucky spot near the window it won´t work...... Tried it in several different spots in a B767 cockpit - even at the only spot where my bluetooth mouse had some reception it did not work.....
Just use the airshow (the moving map) that´s provided on the screens in the seats in front of you by most airlines.....

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Iwan24 said:
Has anybody made experiences in using the gps within airplanes/airliners? Does the sensivity suffice to work within an airliner? During a flight as a passenger I would like to follow the flight with a moving map.
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Well, it's really difficult.
As has been said, the first thing you need is a good spot IN A WINDOW.
Then you have to be on the right side of the plane, to pick the most of the sky were the satellites for your current hemisphere are.
And finally a lot of patience, since picking the sats moving at 500 knots takes A LOT OF TIME, even with the latest SIRF-III mouse antennas, not to mention the Trinity embedded one....
I had a good lock today in my last flight, but as said, one of the inconvenients is that as soon as you move your PDA out of the window, you lose the GPS fix. A flying aircraft is a Faraday box, this is why the antennas are so visible and prominent OUTSIDE of the airframe.
Enjoy your flight and relax, the in-flight show moving maps are linked to the airliner built in GPS, and have a better database than anything you might install in your PDA.
And last but not least, you may be queried by flight attendants to verify you are not "transmitting" while in-flight.
Hope it helps.

2 weeks ago, on a plane to London (Ryanair), nobody was allowed to use any electronic device, including digital cameras, PDA's, mobile phones, whatever... The crew was not willing to negotiate at all: "Excuse me, sir, you MUST turn that off or I will have to take it from you. Do you understand?"

it depends....
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2 weeks ago, on a plane to London (Ryanair), nobody was allowed to use any electronic device, including digital cameras, PDA's, mobile phones, whatever... The crew was not willing to negotiate at all: "Excuse me, sir, you MUST turn that off or I will have to take it from you. Do you understand?"
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Company policies regarding the use of electronics devices varies from one company to another, even sometimes at Captain's discretion or even Purser "opinion".
Most airlines have written policies about the use of devices, some even to the detail of mentioning Bluetooth and WiFi devices (usually forbidding its use). Check their Web page or the in-flight magazine.
As a general rule, ANY transmitter must be disconnected from doors-closed to doors-open, and then electronics devices may be used ONLY while in the "cruise" phase of the flight.
Hope it helps a bit.

Depends on airline
It is a policy for the individual airline and most do allow.
See http://gpsinformation.net/airgps/airgps.htm
There is a good article on the subject at this link. http://gpsinformation.net/airgps/gpsrfi.htm

Iwan24 said:
Has anybody made experiences in using the gps within airplanes/airliners? Does the sensivity suffice to work within an airliner? During a flight as a passenger I would like to follow the flight with a moving map.
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just need to be close enough of one window...
Tomtom got a bit lost

You should not drive that fast

jeje2 said:
You should not drive that fast
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or I need to have a faster CPU to calculate directions quicker

michi123 said:
Unless you get a very lucky spot near the window it won´t work...... Tried it in several different spots in a B767 cockpit - even at the only spot where my bluetooth mouse had some reception it did not work.....
Just use the airshow (the moving map) that´s provided on the screens in the seats in front of you by most airlines.....
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I made good experiences with an SIRF-III mouse connected to a laptop. While sitting on a window seat, of course. But it depends very much on the type of aircraft. Within an Avro RJ85 the reception was excellent (up to 10 sats). On an A320 or B737 it was rather poor. I could imagine that the fuselage of the RJ85 is made of CFK and not aluminum.

I did also have luck on my flight from Sydney to lax. But google earth shows the altitude from my gps picture at 0 feet. That's one low flying 747-400...

dubart said:
2 weeks ago, on a plane to London (Ryanair), nobody was allowed to use any electronic device, including digital cameras, PDA's, mobile phones, whatever... The crew was not willing to negotiate at all: "Excuse me, sir, you MUST turn that off or I will have to take it from you. Do you understand?"
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Your lucky if they even let you go to the loo on a Ryanair flight, let alone actually do something slightly interesting. Ryanair is like riding in a cattle truck only less comfortable!

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just need to be close enough of one window...
Tomtom got a bit lost
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i've been able to track miles per hour on my trinity while flying on a 777, however, i don't know how to take a picture such as yours. did you use a screen capture tool?

yep, i'm using vSnap, very basic features but pretty convenient

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Your lucky if they even let you go to the loo on a Ryanair flight, let alone actually do something slightly interesting. Ryanair is like riding in a cattle truck only less comfortable!
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Yeap, you're right. I somehow managed to get thru 2 hours of flight without a loo or a PDA, he he. And you're right about a cattle truck but it's incredebily cheap!

T.A.P. (airplane company) Allowed the use of a BT Gps:
It was not me, was a member from http://www.pocketpt.net
Can be found: http://www.pocketpt.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=14957&view=findpost&p=83697

TomTom on my Trinity in a jet
took these while traveling from city a to city b... the streets, etc. were going by so fast that the names would just flash and disappear...

Tried Trinity GPS on Iberia flight from MUC to MAD. Had a windows seat (lhs). Fix took 5mins. or so ... probably almanach had to be downloaded. Never got mot than 4 sats...
mfg OK

As a trainee helicopter pilot I have played around with an application called PocketFMS. I imagine it could be a pretty daunting program if you don't know what some of the jargon or abreiviations mean. I've tested it on the road (not used in the helicopter yet though) and it works great.
It even shows my altitude increasing when I drive up a large enough incline.
You need to get at least 3 satellite fixes for it to work, two for position and a third for altitude.
http://www.pocketfms.com/2-downprog.asp

Gentlemen, maybe I'm missing something, but if you comply with airline regulations and turn the Trinity to Flight mode, it turns off ALL radios: GSM/UMTS, BT, WLAN and GPS. Is there a trick to keep GPS working? Or you just don't comply

Question about using the Advantage as a phone.

Hi I am sooo tempted to get the Advantage but the fact it doesn't have an earpiece really kind of kills it for me. I don't voice talk that much so if it had a earpiece I wouldn't mind holding it up to my ear and looking like a dork for the total of 5 or 10 mins a day I'm on the phone talking. Most of it I do in my car anyway which could be on speaker. But,... the times I may only have it on me and I don't want anyone to hear my conversation I'd like to talk. Bluetooth headsets are very annoying to me. It's something else I have to carry around try not to lose and keep charged. Another device to babysit. So I don't want to go that route.
Some people said if you put the volume way down to maybe one notch that it might work. Does anyone do this or have another alternative... That screen is awesome. And I think I could even front pocket it in cargo pants. But the voice talking is an issue for me. Carrying around a uber small voice phone isn't an option either as I'll need another plan because I'd like to take advantage(pun not really intended) of the 3G.
Thanks.

juiceppc said:
Hi I am sooo tempted to get the Advantage but the fact it doesn't have an earpiece really kind of kills it for me. I don't voice talk that much so if it had a earpiece I wouldn't mind holding it up to my ear and looking like a dork for the total of 5 or 10 mins a day I'm on the phone talking. Most of it I do in my car anyway which could be on speaker. But,... the times I may only have it on me and I don't want anyone to hear my conversation I'd like to talk. Bluetooth headsets are very annoying to me. It's something else I have to carry around try not to lose and keep charged. Another device to babysit. So I don't want to go that route.
Some people said if you put the volume way down to maybe one notch that it might work. Does anyone do this or have another alternative... That screen is awesome. And I think I could even front pocket it in cargo pants. But the voice talking is an issue for me. Carrying around a uber small voice phone isn't an option either as I'll need another plan because I'd like to take advantage(pun not really intended) of the 3G.
Thanks.
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Unfortunately, even if you adjust the volume to the lowest, your conversation could still be overheard by those around you, especially in quite environment.
Another factor to consider is that because it is a speaker phone, when making VOIP calls, the voice of the other party coming out of the speaker will feed back to him again, hence creating the echo on the other side.
I overcome both of these problem without using blue tooth. I use wired headset, which I need for music anyway. It needs no charging.

I know that you have stated that you don't want to carry around another device. Personally, I don't like the 'wired' headset option. I too, think that the BT headset is uncomfortable, akward and most of the time annoying as it isn't right wearing it for 8 hours during a normal work day and to use it for 15 or 20 minutes of that time (or even for an hour).
I have been using the Dopod U1000 (aka Athena) since it became available in the US in April. I had the Plantronics 640, and the JawBone headsets but have since put them away. I use the Lg Style I during the day and leave the Athena docked at my desk uless I need to move out of BT Range, then I move the Athena with me but keep the Style-I at hand. It is smaller than a typical highlighter pen, shows caller ID numbers, has its own dial pad and holds its own for call quality, privacy and function as a 'micro-phone' handset extension for the Athena or any other PDA 'brick' phone. By the way, I also use JetWare Mobile BT extension to help the functionality with various BT car and hands free kits.
I will not hold the Athena up next to my ear.

BT Headset is the only way to go with the Athena
Just my 2 cents worth, but for me, a wired headset is far more cumbersome than sticking a BT Headset in my ear!
It really isn't that bad. Especially if you spend very little time per day making/receiving phonecalls.
I use the Plantronics 640 with vibrate mode, so never miss a call and only put it in my ear when I get a phonecall, or when I'm driving.
I don't get it. How is sticking a little BT device more cumbersome to stick in your ear for the duration of a call than holding a much larger mobile phone to your ear, for which you also constantly loose the use of your left/right hand?
Also, my BT headpiece lasts 3 days without needing a recharge when I make/receive limited calls, plus it has an additional lighter-like extention that keeps it charged for up to 15 hours, if your a heavy user. I've never even had to use it to date.
As for listening to music on the go, I quite like using the earpiece to route sound to it, as I have at least one ear free to be aware of what's going on around me.
Each to their own I guess, but IMHO if your not willing to use BT earpiece, the Athena is not for you.

Thanks for the feedback. I'm still tempted. If I do get it I will probably either end up caving in and using a Jabra jx10 I have or just not take calls in public...
Maybe I'll look into finding the flattest/smallest BT headset I can find and adding on a little compartment for it on the Advantage.

mackaby007 said:
Just my 2 cents worth, but for me, a wired headset is far more cumbersome than sticking a BT Headset in my ear!
It really isn't that bad. Especially if you spend very little time per day making/receiving phonecalls.
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It does seem that a BT headset is the way to go, but battery life does concern me - what kind of hit is there on the Advantage battery as a result of having the headset on and connected the whole time? Do you get through a whole day with it connected but only light/moderate use (say 20 min of calls)?

FWIW I've had the Advantage x7500 for a couple months and routinely use it as a phone, although my call volume is low. In my car I have a BT setup so whenever I'm in the car the Advantage is automatically linked and I can control my "phone" from my steering wheel. But in the office or at home, I just use it as a speaker phone -- I move away from other folks so I'm not a nuisance, but it's really not much different from other folks using their cellphones, except if someone is close to me (2-3 feet) they could hear my caller. I've even received and made calls while outside and, surprisingly, no problem hearing the call or being heard. It's a really well-designed device.

Just buy an LG Style I.
http://reviews.cnet.com/front-door/lg-style-i/4505-1_7-31826853.html
It's the only way to go.

Ameo upgrade coming
My tmobile upgrade is coming up, (ive had the MDA vario and now using orange SPV m3100 a.k.a hermes) i am very much hoping to get a Ameo upgrade for free /average spend £38 p.m/ (or might end up paying supplement). But what is worrying me is the size of the ameo. I am convinced about the screen advantage and gps, but its just the size when voice call are concerned. However i would like to hear a bit more from folk using the LG i style solution and have stuck around with it for a while!. Ideally a manufacturer should create a mini phone like a bluetooth headset flip phone or small candy bar form factor!! am i just dreaming!

Had my Style-i for months now and i LOVEe it - very useful - plus there's a safety feature too... if you're walking along and you get your 'phone' snatched, all they'll get is a £30 bluetooth gizmo that is useless.... you Ameo will be safe. They'll assume the Style-i is your phone and wont mug you for the actual one so you can get away!​

Here's the ultimate solution. IMHO .
A BT headset that fits inside the bigger device. Like it docks in or something. And charges while the host device is charging. That way you don't really have another devicer to carry around per se and/or worry about charging. I mean you do but you don't have to do it seperately. And you kind of dont' have to worry about carrying it around or wearing it when you not taking calls. Advantage rings, pick out head set, talk, hang up, put headset back in Advantage, done. I like that. I like that a lot.
You hearing this HTC?
Or just put the dang earpiece in there and let me look like a dork and call it a day. Sheesh.

adamelphick said:
Had my Style-i for months now and i LOVEe it - very useful - plus there's a safety feature too... if you're walking along and you get your 'phone' snatched, all they'll get is a £30 bluetooth gizmo that is useless.... you Ameo will be safe. They'll assume the Style-i is your phone and wont mug you for the actual one so you can get away!​
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Cheers, your response did make me feel better, although i still have some reservations on living with an ameo (read travelling)(p.s. gona be moving to London). Perhaps at some point the I style solution info+tweaks could be added to the wiki. Ive been following many athena posts (although im only a hermey for now(hermes) and reading the Tmobile business users thread makes me feel they might discontinue the phone by oct-nov 07; its out of stock on their uk website since over 10 days.
Update: Ok the Ameo is now in stock on the Tmobile uk website (just checked after posting)

juiceppc said:
Here's the ultimate solution. IMHO .
A BT headset that fits inside the bigger device. Like it docks in or something. And charges while the host device is charging. That way you don't really have another devicer to carry around per se and/or worry about charging. I mean you do but you don't have to do it seperately. And you kind of dont' have to worry about carrying it around or wearing it when you not taking calls. Advantage rings, pick out head set, talk, hang up, put headset back in Advantage, done. I like that. I like that a lot.
You hearing this HTC?
Or just put the dang earpiece in there and let me look like a dork and call it a day. Sheesh.
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BOOYA!
http://www.unwiredview.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/samsung-bt-headset-removable.jpg

stryker1355 said:
My tmobile upgrade is coming up, (ive had the MDA vario and now using orange SPV m3100 a.k.a hermes) i am very much hoping to get a Ameo upgrade for free /average spend £38 p.m/ (or might end up paying supplement). But what is worrying me is the size of the ameo. I am convinced about the screen advantage and gps, but its just the size when voice call are concerned. However i would like to hear a bit more from folk using the LG i style solution and have stuck around with it for a while!. Ideally a manufacturer should create a mini phone like a bluetooth headset flip phone or small candy bar form factor!! am i just dreaming!
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You've got no chance of getting it for free mate, I can promise you that. I've got two accounts. I managed to wangle it for 120 quid on my first which is flext 35 web n walk plus, however my newest upgrade (6 days ago) would have meant a 290 quid supplement. I don't know how their upgrade policy works exactly but I know that there really is only so much that T-Mobile will do.
What I do know is that if you go through a store rather than online or over the phone you'll be able to do a little bit more negotiation, but I'd be surprised if you got it for less than 100.
As an aside, I never bought the Ameo to use as a phone - purely an office utility and multimedia device so I don't actually take any calls on it. I use an N95 as a bluetooth modem, or put the sim in the Ameo if I'm planning long periods browsing. I actually find this far more convenient and adaptable than using a headset, either wired or bluetooth.

stryker1355 said:
My tmobile upgrade is coming up, (ive had the MDA vario and now using orange SPV m3100 a.k.a hermes) i am very much hoping to get a Ameo upgrade for free /average spend £38 p.m/ (or might end up paying supplement). But what is worrying me is the size of the ameo. I am convinced about the screen advantage and gps, but its just the size when voice call are concerned. However i would like to hear a bit more from folk using the LG i style solution and have stuck around with it for a while!. Ideally a manufacturer should create a mini phone like a bluetooth headset flip phone or small candy bar form factor!! am i just dreaming!
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You've got no chance of getting it for free mate, I can promise you that. I've got two accounts. I managed to wangle it for 120 quid on my first which is flext 35 web n walk plus, however my newest upgrade (6 days ago) would have meant a 290 quid supplement. I don't know how their upgrade policy works exactly but I know that there really is only so much that T-Mobile will do.
What I do know is that if you go through a store rather than online or over the phone you'll be able to do a little bit more negotiation, but I'd be surprised if you got it for less than 100.
As an aside, I never bought the Ameo to use as a phone - purely an office utility and multimedia device so I don't actually take any calls on it. I use an N95 as a bluetooth modem, or put the sim in the Ameo if I'm planning long periods browsing. I actually find this far more convenient and adaptable than using a headset, either wired or bluetooth.

veethree said:
It does seem that a BT headset is the way to go, but battery life does concern me - what kind of hit is there on the Advantage battery as a result of having the headset on and connected the whole time? Do you get through a whole day with it connected but only light/moderate use (say 20 min of calls)?
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Take a look at the below link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1430475&postcount=36

leoni1980 said:
You've got no chance of getting it for free mate, I can promise you that. I've got two accounts. I managed to wangle it for 120 quid on my first which is flext 35 web n walk plus, however my newest upgrade (6 days ago) would have meant a 290 quid supplement. I don't know how their upgrade policy works exactly but I know that there really is only so much that T-Mobile will do.
What I do know is that if you go through a store rather than online or over the phone you'll be able to do a little bit more negotiation, but I'd be surprised if you got it for less than 100.
As an aside, I never bought the Ameo to use as a phone - purely an office utility and multimedia device so I don't actually take any calls on it. I use an N95 as a bluetooth modem, or put the sim in the Ameo if I'm planning long periods browsing. I actually find this far more convenient and adaptable than using a headset, either wired or bluetooth.
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Technically you are carrying to devices and that I definitely do not want to do.

lpsi2000 said:
Technically you are carrying two devices and that I definitely do not want to do.
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That's kind of why I don't want to carry a BT headset.

juiceppc said:
That's kind of why I don't want to carry a BT headset.
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The BT headset is different for me, it is an accessory needed for the phone. I have been using BT Headset for a least 4 years with every phone I had within that time frame.

lpsi2000 said:
The BT headset is different for me, it is an accessory needed for the phone. I have been using BT Headset for a least 4 years with every phone I had within that time frame.
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Not to mention that anyone not using a headset and calling while driving is certainly more prone to accidents holding and/or dialing from the phone.
Brad

My G1 works with my bluetooth enabled car stereo

I was excited when this happened so I thought I would share. So I just bought a pioneer avic f900bt in dash nav av stereo for my car from circuit city on the last day the store was open. I got super lucky, got the stereo for 200$ which is 80% less than retail price. It has bluetooth capabilities for phone integration. I paired my G1 with it and it automatically downloaded my contact list from my phone onto the stereo. i can make calls by selecting a contact on my stereo and it does it's thing. My question is, the g1 is based off the android os and the stereo is a WinCE os, how come the G1 can't sync with other windows programs like outlook? this would be sweet. ohwell the phone is freaking sweet anyways. would totally buy one for the wife but they need more medical programs available for it as she is a Dr. and needs all that stuff on her pda phone.

thats awesome news. I was wondering about this, as I am about to purchase a BT stereo for my car.

the avic f900bt just got the latest firmware update for its bluetooth. It even recognized the phone as a TMobile G1. Not sure what other brands of stereo have same capabilities.

strikeoutss said:
...My question is, the g1 is based off the android os and the stereo is a WinCE os, how come the G1 can't sync with other windows programs like outlook? this would be sweet. ohwell the phone is freaking sweet anyways. would totally buy one for the wife but they need more medical programs available for it as she is a Dr. and needs all that stuff on her pda phone.
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This is because Bluetooth does not care what OS is running but what Bluetooth profiles are on the systems. Handsfree profile allows for speakerphone, A2DP profile allows you to stream your music to another device in stereo, and so on. For communication with Outlook it would need the PIM profile installed.
As of now the G1 only has Handfree profiles installed. Hopefully Cupcake will introduce us to more (A2DP is listed as one.)

atoy74 said:
This is because Bluetooth does not care what OS is running but what Bluetooth profiles are on the systems. Handsfree profile allows for speakerphone, A2DP profile allows you to stream your music to another device in stereo, and so on. For communication with Outlook it would need the PIM profile installed.
As of now the G1 only has Handfree profiles installed. Hopefully Cupcake will introduce us to more (A2DP is listed as one.)
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It looks like we are slowing unlocking the hidden potential of the phone.
The day of the online press release before the launch they said that tethering wouldn't be supported and we've come a long way with that. I was very close to not getting the phone because I NEED tethering support. Now it's easier with this phone then it is with my WinMobile phones. It's only a matter of time until someone figures out how to do the "impossible" again. Wouldn't it be neat if you had stereo blue tooth to your car stereo all coming from a 32gb sd card? My guess is that we'll figure out it before it comes out on an update. Come on geeks... put on your thinking caps!

Go ahead and buy her the G1. I am a doctor. between wikipedia and google.
there isn't much info left in those ancient PDA programs.
For drugs she can just go to medscape.com
The only people left using the old pda programs are students who get cappy old palms for free from their schools.

thanks for the info ratsoda. I will show my wife and see if that would work for her. Then all we have to do is wait for her phone to be ready for full upgrade. I think it will be in may. my only worry is that she drops her current phone atleast once a week. drives me crazy as I have never dropped any of my phones. maybe being a techy makes me sensitive to stuff like that.

strikeoutss said:
my only worry is that she drops her current phone atleast once a week. drives me crazy as I have never dropped any of my phones. maybe being a techy makes me sensitive to stuff like that.
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Man, isn't that something. I have the same problem. Wife and children drop their phone at least once a week. I would probably hurt my self trying to keep mine from hitting the ground.
Can you imagine dropping the G1..it looks like it will fly apart with only a moderate drop. One lick, upper left corner and "bam", you have a detached keyboard.
My greatest fear for my G1
And by the way....if you are still shopping for a "wifey" phone, let me suggest blackberry. That's what I got for mine. Pretty phone, does all she will ever need, and is sturdy as hell. Takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin', so to speak