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Hi I am sooo tempted to get the Advantage but the fact it doesn't have an earpiece really kind of kills it for me. I don't voice talk that much so if it had a earpiece I wouldn't mind holding it up to my ear and looking like a dork for the total of 5 or 10 mins a day I'm on the phone talking. Most of it I do in my car anyway which could be on speaker. But,... the times I may only have it on me and I don't want anyone to hear my conversation I'd like to talk. Bluetooth headsets are very annoying to me. It's something else I have to carry around try not to lose and keep charged. Another device to babysit. So I don't want to go that route.
Some people said if you put the volume way down to maybe one notch that it might work. Does anyone do this or have another alternative... That screen is awesome. And I think I could even front pocket it in cargo pants. But the voice talking is an issue for me. Carrying around a uber small voice phone isn't an option either as I'll need another plan because I'd like to take advantage(pun not really intended) of the 3G.
Thanks.
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Hi I am sooo tempted to get the Advantage but the fact it doesn't have an earpiece really kind of kills it for me. I don't voice talk that much so if it had a earpiece I wouldn't mind holding it up to my ear and looking like a dork for the total of 5 or 10 mins a day I'm on the phone talking. Most of it I do in my car anyway which could be on speaker. But,... the times I may only have it on me and I don't want anyone to hear my conversation I'd like to talk. Bluetooth headsets are very annoying to me. It's something else I have to carry around try not to lose and keep charged. Another device to babysit. So I don't want to go that route.
Some people said if you put the volume way down to maybe one notch that it might work. Does anyone do this or have another alternative... That screen is awesome. And I think I could even front pocket it in cargo pants. But the voice talking is an issue for me. Carrying around a uber small voice phone isn't an option either as I'll need another plan because I'd like to take advantage(pun not really intended) of the 3G.
Thanks.
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Unfortunately, even if you adjust the volume to the lowest, your conversation could still be overheard by those around you, especially in quite environment.
Another factor to consider is that because it is a speaker phone, when making VOIP calls, the voice of the other party coming out of the speaker will feed back to him again, hence creating the echo on the other side.
I overcome both of these problem without using blue tooth. I use wired headset, which I need for music anyway. It needs no charging.
I know that you have stated that you don't want to carry around another device. Personally, I don't like the 'wired' headset option. I too, think that the BT headset is uncomfortable, akward and most of the time annoying as it isn't right wearing it for 8 hours during a normal work day and to use it for 15 or 20 minutes of that time (or even for an hour).
I have been using the Dopod U1000 (aka Athena) since it became available in the US in April. I had the Plantronics 640, and the JawBone headsets but have since put them away. I use the Lg Style I during the day and leave the Athena docked at my desk uless I need to move out of BT Range, then I move the Athena with me but keep the Style-I at hand. It is smaller than a typical highlighter pen, shows caller ID numbers, has its own dial pad and holds its own for call quality, privacy and function as a 'micro-phone' handset extension for the Athena or any other PDA 'brick' phone. By the way, I also use JetWare Mobile BT extension to help the functionality with various BT car and hands free kits.
I will not hold the Athena up next to my ear.
BT Headset is the only way to go with the Athena
Just my 2 cents worth, but for me, a wired headset is far more cumbersome than sticking a BT Headset in my ear!
It really isn't that bad. Especially if you spend very little time per day making/receiving phonecalls.
I use the Plantronics 640 with vibrate mode, so never miss a call and only put it in my ear when I get a phonecall, or when I'm driving.
I don't get it. How is sticking a little BT device more cumbersome to stick in your ear for the duration of a call than holding a much larger mobile phone to your ear, for which you also constantly loose the use of your left/right hand?
Also, my BT headpiece lasts 3 days without needing a recharge when I make/receive limited calls, plus it has an additional lighter-like extention that keeps it charged for up to 15 hours, if your a heavy user. I've never even had to use it to date.
As for listening to music on the go, I quite like using the earpiece to route sound to it, as I have at least one ear free to be aware of what's going on around me.
Each to their own I guess, but IMHO if your not willing to use BT earpiece, the Athena is not for you.
Thanks for the feedback. I'm still tempted. If I do get it I will probably either end up caving in and using a Jabra jx10 I have or just not take calls in public...
Maybe I'll look into finding the flattest/smallest BT headset I can find and adding on a little compartment for it on the Advantage.
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Just my 2 cents worth, but for me, a wired headset is far more cumbersome than sticking a BT Headset in my ear!
It really isn't that bad. Especially if you spend very little time per day making/receiving phonecalls.
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It does seem that a BT headset is the way to go, but battery life does concern me - what kind of hit is there on the Advantage battery as a result of having the headset on and connected the whole time? Do you get through a whole day with it connected but only light/moderate use (say 20 min of calls)?
FWIW I've had the Advantage x7500 for a couple months and routinely use it as a phone, although my call volume is low. In my car I have a BT setup so whenever I'm in the car the Advantage is automatically linked and I can control my "phone" from my steering wheel. But in the office or at home, I just use it as a speaker phone -- I move away from other folks so I'm not a nuisance, but it's really not much different from other folks using their cellphones, except if someone is close to me (2-3 feet) they could hear my caller. I've even received and made calls while outside and, surprisingly, no problem hearing the call or being heard. It's a really well-designed device.
Just buy an LG Style I.
http://reviews.cnet.com/front-door/lg-style-i/4505-1_7-31826853.html
It's the only way to go.
Ameo upgrade coming
My tmobile upgrade is coming up, (ive had the MDA vario and now using orange SPV m3100 a.k.a hermes) i am very much hoping to get a Ameo upgrade for free /average spend £38 p.m/ (or might end up paying supplement). But what is worrying me is the size of the ameo. I am convinced about the screen advantage and gps, but its just the size when voice call are concerned. However i would like to hear a bit more from folk using the LG i style solution and have stuck around with it for a while!. Ideally a manufacturer should create a mini phone like a bluetooth headset flip phone or small candy bar form factor!! am i just dreaming!
Had my Style-i for months now and i LOVEe it - very useful - plus there's a safety feature too... if you're walking along and you get your 'phone' snatched, all they'll get is a £30 bluetooth gizmo that is useless.... you Ameo will be safe. They'll assume the Style-i is your phone and wont mug you for the actual one so you can get away!
Here's the ultimate solution. IMHO .
A BT headset that fits inside the bigger device. Like it docks in or something. And charges while the host device is charging. That way you don't really have another devicer to carry around per se and/or worry about charging. I mean you do but you don't have to do it seperately. And you kind of dont' have to worry about carrying it around or wearing it when you not taking calls. Advantage rings, pick out head set, talk, hang up, put headset back in Advantage, done. I like that. I like that a lot.
You hearing this HTC?
Or just put the dang earpiece in there and let me look like a dork and call it a day. Sheesh.
adamelphick said:
Had my Style-i for months now and i LOVEe it - very useful - plus there's a safety feature too... if you're walking along and you get your 'phone' snatched, all they'll get is a £30 bluetooth gizmo that is useless.... you Ameo will be safe. They'll assume the Style-i is your phone and wont mug you for the actual one so you can get away!
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Cheers, your response did make me feel better, although i still have some reservations on living with an ameo (read travelling)(p.s. gona be moving to London). Perhaps at some point the I style solution info+tweaks could be added to the wiki. Ive been following many athena posts (although im only a hermey for now(hermes) and reading the Tmobile business users thread makes me feel they might discontinue the phone by oct-nov 07; its out of stock on their uk website since over 10 days.
Update: Ok the Ameo is now in stock on the Tmobile uk website (just checked after posting)
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Here's the ultimate solution. IMHO .
A BT headset that fits inside the bigger device. Like it docks in or something. And charges while the host device is charging. That way you don't really have another devicer to carry around per se and/or worry about charging. I mean you do but you don't have to do it seperately. And you kind of dont' have to worry about carrying it around or wearing it when you not taking calls. Advantage rings, pick out head set, talk, hang up, put headset back in Advantage, done. I like that. I like that a lot.
You hearing this HTC?
Or just put the dang earpiece in there and let me look like a dork and call it a day. Sheesh.
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BOOYA!
http://www.unwiredview.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/samsung-bt-headset-removable.jpg
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My tmobile upgrade is coming up, (ive had the MDA vario and now using orange SPV m3100 a.k.a hermes) i am very much hoping to get a Ameo upgrade for free /average spend £38 p.m/ (or might end up paying supplement). But what is worrying me is the size of the ameo. I am convinced about the screen advantage and gps, but its just the size when voice call are concerned. However i would like to hear a bit more from folk using the LG i style solution and have stuck around with it for a while!. Ideally a manufacturer should create a mini phone like a bluetooth headset flip phone or small candy bar form factor!! am i just dreaming!
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You've got no chance of getting it for free mate, I can promise you that. I've got two accounts. I managed to wangle it for 120 quid on my first which is flext 35 web n walk plus, however my newest upgrade (6 days ago) would have meant a 290 quid supplement. I don't know how their upgrade policy works exactly but I know that there really is only so much that T-Mobile will do.
What I do know is that if you go through a store rather than online or over the phone you'll be able to do a little bit more negotiation, but I'd be surprised if you got it for less than 100.
As an aside, I never bought the Ameo to use as a phone - purely an office utility and multimedia device so I don't actually take any calls on it. I use an N95 as a bluetooth modem, or put the sim in the Ameo if I'm planning long periods browsing. I actually find this far more convenient and adaptable than using a headset, either wired or bluetooth.
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My tmobile upgrade is coming up, (ive had the MDA vario and now using orange SPV m3100 a.k.a hermes) i am very much hoping to get a Ameo upgrade for free /average spend £38 p.m/ (or might end up paying supplement). But what is worrying me is the size of the ameo. I am convinced about the screen advantage and gps, but its just the size when voice call are concerned. However i would like to hear a bit more from folk using the LG i style solution and have stuck around with it for a while!. Ideally a manufacturer should create a mini phone like a bluetooth headset flip phone or small candy bar form factor!! am i just dreaming!
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You've got no chance of getting it for free mate, I can promise you that. I've got two accounts. I managed to wangle it for 120 quid on my first which is flext 35 web n walk plus, however my newest upgrade (6 days ago) would have meant a 290 quid supplement. I don't know how their upgrade policy works exactly but I know that there really is only so much that T-Mobile will do.
What I do know is that if you go through a store rather than online or over the phone you'll be able to do a little bit more negotiation, but I'd be surprised if you got it for less than 100.
As an aside, I never bought the Ameo to use as a phone - purely an office utility and multimedia device so I don't actually take any calls on it. I use an N95 as a bluetooth modem, or put the sim in the Ameo if I'm planning long periods browsing. I actually find this far more convenient and adaptable than using a headset, either wired or bluetooth.
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It does seem that a BT headset is the way to go, but battery life does concern me - what kind of hit is there on the Advantage battery as a result of having the headset on and connected the whole time? Do you get through a whole day with it connected but only light/moderate use (say 20 min of calls)?
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Take a look at the below link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1430475&postcount=36
leoni1980 said:
You've got no chance of getting it for free mate, I can promise you that. I've got two accounts. I managed to wangle it for 120 quid on my first which is flext 35 web n walk plus, however my newest upgrade (6 days ago) would have meant a 290 quid supplement. I don't know how their upgrade policy works exactly but I know that there really is only so much that T-Mobile will do.
What I do know is that if you go through a store rather than online or over the phone you'll be able to do a little bit more negotiation, but I'd be surprised if you got it for less than 100.
As an aside, I never bought the Ameo to use as a phone - purely an office utility and multimedia device so I don't actually take any calls on it. I use an N95 as a bluetooth modem, or put the sim in the Ameo if I'm planning long periods browsing. I actually find this far more convenient and adaptable than using a headset, either wired or bluetooth.
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Technically you are carrying to devices and that I definitely do not want to do.
lpsi2000 said:
Technically you are carrying two devices and that I definitely do not want to do.
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That's kind of why I don't want to carry a BT headset.
juiceppc said:
That's kind of why I don't want to carry a BT headset.
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The BT headset is different for me, it is an accessory needed for the phone. I have been using BT Headset for a least 4 years with every phone I had within that time frame.
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The BT headset is different for me, it is an accessory needed for the phone. I have been using BT Headset for a least 4 years with every phone I had within that time frame.
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Not to mention that anyone not using a headset and calling while driving is certainly more prone to accidents holding and/or dialing from the phone.
Brad
Bluetooth has been available on mobile phones for almost 10 years
My shiny new Hero which I consider to be an excellent piece of work is pretty useless in this department....file transfers hands free connection etc
If a phone that costs £30 from tescos can do this why cant the £400 quid hero?
Why is android incapable of this extremely basic functionality? Why are android phones on sale at all? the OS is not finished and will not be untill Bluetooth just works.
I have pissed off several friends by recomending this phone pre release assuming that the bluetooth profiles had been fixed on the hero. But if they cant send mates in the pub a photo of a friend falling over or use their hands free kits how can I blame them?
Is there a timescale for adding working bluetooth to android?
Ask Google. They're the ones that only programmed handsfree profiles in. Apparently it's supposed to be fairly soon.
Also, you know what they say about assuming.....
but yeah, it's a bit of a glaring omission. but then didn't the iphone do exactly the same when it first came out?
rhedgehog said:
Ask Google. They're the ones that only programmed handsfree profiles in. Apparently it's supposed to be fairly soon.
Also, you know what they say about assuming.....
but yeah, it's a bit of a glaring omission. but then didn't the iphone do exactly the same when it first came out?
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Don't just blame Google tho... Android is open source and the Hero's version is a seperate dev branch to the cupcake 1.5 thats on standard 'Google' phones. I mean they must have fiddled with it anyway as some things that worked on the standard 1.5 build don't work on the Hero.
So HTC are just as much to blame for this... what can we call it... oversight...
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So HTC are just as much to blame for this... what can we call it... oversight...
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No they are not! The reason that this functionality is not available is because the Bluetooth APIs have not be finalized. Whilst potentially HTC could have added their own, this would have fragmented Android as an OS and this is definitely not the way forward.
Unfortunately, Apple showed that the market will accept reduced functionality in devices, when they shipped the original iPhone.
However, with respect to Google, I fully agree that nearly a year down the line since the G1 was launched, they should've got further than they have with Bluetooth support.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
No they are not! The reason that this functionality is not available is because the Bluetooth APIs have not be finalized. Whilst potentially HTC could have added their own, this would have fragmented Android as an OS and this is definitely not the way forward.
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The Android OS will become fragmented, Android is designed that way it's supposed to be a base on which mobile phone manufactures can build upon. It's also the reason you get "with Google" phones, if you want a pure Android OS those are the phones you buy.
HTC should have seized the opportunity to fix some of the glaring ommisions from Android, epecially considering that there is no indication that any more bluetooth profiles are included in donut.
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Ask Google. They're the ones that only programmed handsfree profiles in. Apparently it's supposed to be fairly soon.
Also, you know what they say about assuming.....
but yeah, it's a bit of a glaring omission. but then didn't the iphone do exactly the same when it first came out?
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I say assume, but HTC posted bluetooth profiles on the android community as GAP SPP HSP HFP A2DP and AVRCP profile, so where are they?
I admiit I should have checked for OBEX, I was probably caught up in the hype, and the oooos and arghhs of the reviews, perhaps the reveiwers should have started with..... erm this phone does not work before we parted with our hard earned. Shame on you engadget
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I say assume, but HTC posted bluetooth profiles on the android community as GAP SPP HSP HFP A2DP and AVRCP profile, so where are they?
I admiit I should have checked for OBEX, I was probably caught up in the hype, and the oooos and arghhs of the reviews, perhaps the reveiwers should have started with..... erm this phone does not work before we parted with our hard earned. Shame on you engadget
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Just get BlueX and use one of the many methods to root the phone, then you'll have full send/receive bluetooth capabilities. It's very easy.
does bluex actually work on the hero? and is it one of the ones that seems to be hidden on some hero devices?
Didn't know that HTC had put those profiles out there...but if they're just in beta or being tested, then i am sure they'll be here soon.
and besides, the base android build on the hero is the same as on the magic, it's just had a few kernel changes for any hero specific hardware, it's still running 1.5.
i personally knew the device had no obex, and still got it. I suppose it's each to their own really. Millions of people got the iphone and were rabid about how wonderful it was even though it was missing some basic features. i bet hero will have the same kinda people, on both sides of the argument.
i like it and am happy, but am certainly not going to defend the missing features, i just rely on the fact that as i am happy with it as it is, anything extra is a bonus.....
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does bluex actually work on the hero? and is it one of the ones that seems to be hidden on some hero devices?
Didn't know that HTC had put those profiles out there...but if they're just in beta or being tested, then i am sure they'll be here soon.
and besides, the base android build on the hero is the same as on the magic, it's just had a few kernel changes for any hero specific hardware, it's still running 1.5.
i personally knew the device had no obex, and still got it. I suppose it's each to their own really. Millions of people got the iphone and were rabid about how wonderful it was even though it was missing some basic features. i bet hero will have the same kinda people, on both sides of the argument.
i like it and am happy, but am certainly not going to defend the missing features, i just rely on the fact that as i am happy with it as it is, anything extra is a bonus.....
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I for one have not beeen able to get Bluex to work on Hero neither Root explorer????
Ok (Grits teeth)
Still love the phone would still buy it (friends probably wont till bluetooth fixed) would have liked a choice on the bluetooth though.
If the reviewers were paying more attention to the bluetooth deficiency I am sure google would be urgently fixing it!
Guess will have to wait. Please dont hesitate to let us all know when you find out they've fixed it
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The Android OS will become fragmented, Android is designed that way it's supposed to be a base on which mobile phone manufactures can build upon.
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Yes it is - and the bluetooth APIs are part of that base!
Google were very specific about why they chose not to ship Android with broken APIs (see http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-information-on-apis-removed-in.html ). If HTC had "done their own thing" they too would have been committed to support this for years to come.
As a developer, personally I'd be happy to wait for a single fit-for-purpose API to come to Android, than support a wide variety of vendor-specific extensions.
If Android wants to gain serious traction in the Smartphone market, they need to look at Apple and the iPhone. Here you've a single software and hardware platform which is going to make application development far simpler.
It is ok to build on top of the Android platform (as you said yourself), but if each handset vendor goes about changing the underlying nuts and bolts differently this will adversely affect market acceptance of the platform.
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Dave
so bluetooth does not work on shipped devices?
it works on the htcmagic hero rom but not on the dream hero rom. hack
i wonder why
bluetooth works, but only for headsets.
maybe the magic rom has bluex installed, as i know bluex works on the magic, but not on the hero
rhedgehog said:
bluetooth works, but only for headsets.
maybe the magic rom has bluex installed, as i know bluex works on the magic, but not on the hero
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Hero supports a few more profiles than just headsets.
From the HTC website:
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What Bluetooth profiles are supported?
The phone supports Bluetooth Headset, Handsfree, A2DP, and AVRCP profiles. You can connect your phone to a Bluetooth hands-free headset or a Bluetooth car kit and use those devices to listen to music and send and/or receive calls. Transferring files between your phone and PC using Bluetooth is not yet supported.
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We won't see file transfer or OBEX until Google finalize the bluetooth APIs.
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Dave
puckoon said:
I have pissed off several friends by recomending this phone pre release assuming that the bluetooth profiles had been fixed on the hero. But if they cant send mates in the pub a photo of a friend falling over or use their hands free kits how can I blame them?
Is there a timescale for adding working bluetooth to android?
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Agree about the file transfer (although its a smartphone so use flikr/twitter)
As for handsfree I am using just fine with my Parrot MKi9200 car kit. Full handsfree and A2DP Stereo support with controls. Full address book sync etc.
So apart from file transfer its got a full set of useful features.
Russ
RussST24 said:
Agree about the file transfer (although its a smartphone so use flikr/twitter)
As for handsfree I am using just fine with my Parrot MKi9200 car kit. Full handsfree and A2DP Stereo support with controls. Full address book sync etc.
So apart from file transfer its got a full set of useful features.
Russ
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How did you get the address book to sync, I thought this didn't work, and it doesn't seem to with my Alpine kit. Did you install bluex?
The Bluetooth kit in my Land Rover Discovery 3 can pull the contacts list off my Hero and also notify me of who is calling in the head unit.
Pretty sure its not been pulled off my Nokia N85 when I used that as there is no storage in the kit as far as I am aware.
Its also just to note - a Nokia kit sourced / OEM'd by Land Rover and is the standard Bluetooth PTI they factory build.
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How did you get the address book to sync, I thought this didn't work, and it doesn't seem to with my Alpine kit. Did you install bluex?
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No, I have the same car kit, it just works as is from the box.
Hi,
I was a bit confused by this thread and all the bluetooth problems. At the moment I have a Touch Diamond but I am up for an upgrade in the next month so I am looking at either the Diamond 2 or the Hero. I have a Sony BTNX20 stereo BT headset that i use for everything, Will I still be able to use this headset for stereo music on the Hero? Also what video files can it play? Or is there something like Core Player available that will play everything? A bit off topic but i thought id ask since i had a bluetooth question!
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Hi,
I was a bit confused by this thread and all the bluetooth problems. At the moment I have a Touch Diamond but I am up for an upgrade in the next month so I am looking at either the Diamond 2 or the Hero. I have a Sony BTNX20 stereo BT headset that i use for everything, Will I still be able to use this headset for stereo music on the Hero? Also what video files can it play? Or is there something like Core Player available that will play everything? A bit off topic but i thought id ask since i had a bluetooth question!
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Your BT headset should be fine, as for video play back... well it's poor. And as for Core player it won't be out for long time (if ever!).
I know that at the moment this isn't possible, but does anyone know if there is work being done on the Android bluetooth stack to enable a tablet to be used as a bluetooth hands-free device? A bit of searching shows that it is a regularly requested feature but I can't seem to find any info on any developers who are definitively working on this (except for one little questionable nugget that stated that the CM developers were playing with Bluetooth. Hardly enough to go on.).
I want to incorporate a Nexus 7 into my 370Z as a carpc but the lack of being able to integrate phone features is holding me back. Using data apps like grooveip are a no go for me as data connections around here aren't reliable enough for consistent daily use. Thanks in advance for any info.
I'm not to sure of what your asking, but if you wanna make calls from your tablet using BT this app allows you to do that as well as send SMS and MMS from it https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apdroid.tabtalk hope that helps and is what you mean
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I appreciate the suggestion but I don't think this will work. What I would like to do is mount my tablet in my car and use it as a front end for my phone to make/take calls the way an OEM bluetooth car system would normally work. My understanding is that your tablet must be paired as a hands free device, which android tablets currently don't do. I looked at Tablet Talk but when using that app from what I can gather when you accept a call on the tablet it actually activates the call on your handset. Ultimately I want to use the tablet as a hands free solution as I drive stick and holding my phone to my ear while driving is a no-no.
In the past I've used bt headsets but I lose them constantly and frankly I'm tired of replacing them. Oh well.
Well, good luck in your search! And you hit tablet talk spot on BTW lol. Oh and if you do find a solution, plz post it! This sounds like something I would love to use.
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SpungeWorthy said:
Well, good luck in your search! And you hit tablet talk spot on BTW lol. Oh and if you do find a solution, plz post it! This sounds like something I would love to use.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
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Thanks. I'll thinking I'll probably go the route of a more traditional carpc for now, but if and when this becomes a feature you can take advantage of with android tablets I'll have to reevaluate the situation.
Nillaz said:
I know that at the moment this isn't possible, but does anyone know if there is work being done on the Android bluetooth stack to enable a tablet to be used as a bluetooth hands-free device?
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This would be a great extension or compliment to the various apps that let you send/receive SMSs from your tablet via your phone. If I could at least receive/answer calls too, I could leave the phone elsewhere at home.
Just to let you know I've contacted parrot and garmin with regards to something like this.
I want a solution where I can make my nexus 7 a full media center with DAB radio and a good sat nav without needing a cellular link and hands free for my phone which includes the voice commands available through the tablet.
So hopefully they will get back to me and I'll post up here what they say.
Something I haven't solved yet either is getting all the antennae feeds into the nexus, I was thinking of getting a sharks fin antennae and wiring them into a raspberry pi to then blue toothing them into the nexus, I could also then attach a HDD to the pi to use it as a server to.
I want to do it this way so I can take the 7 otu and with me if I wish, rather than having it hard wired in. also if would allow for device upgrade.
Theres a nice thread on install and with references to the tasker app to get the tablet to work with the ignition and other functionality like that;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1819175
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There is an app under development for this I think. play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.funkyandroid.phonelink
I'm thinking of dropping a Nexus 7 in my car but the lack of hands free bluetooth is kind of a deal breaker.
Did anybody ever get this working? I have my Nexus installed in the car, and would love to be able to use it as a speakerphone. I don't need to actually be able to make the calls via the tablet, just need to be able to use it as a basic bluetooth speakerphone / headset type of thing.
It sounds like it should be something fairly simple, but I cannot seem to find much.
I have been wanting this for a long time, I'd love to be able to take my older Android phone and re-purpose it as a car GPS/Internet Radio/Handfree, etc.
I know the Samsung Galaxy player has this functionality, I wonder if any of their devs could help out.
if this work in linux so i think can work on android
Hi to all,
i been looking for this "bluetooth role" for long time. I have read a lot of forum and the entire XDA posts about this..
it seems that this is the definitive question like "what is the answer to life the universe and everything" simple 42
and it seems that is the paradise for all want to make a carputer/droid/tablet/**** car radio replacement... so... i'm one of you
this post is for some devs (i'm a dev too) i'm asking for help ....
the problem is: which android version do you want to use?
why this question? simple: from the android 4.2 google has decided to trash the bluetooth bluez stack and reimplement the wheel with bluedroid...
i read the documentation about bluedroid at this site:
https://source.android.com/devices/bluetooth.html
and there was written that there are some profiles actualy implemented but not the Bluetooth Hands-Free Profile server.
Ok it's not a problem, taking a look to the template of other profile i can implement it.
now the question is HOW DOES IT WORKS?
so i searched and bum this is how:
version 1.5
version 1.6
ok and now? and now i tried to find some similar implementations and...
after another night of search i found this....
HFP For Linux
where there is the downloadable source code.
now I think we have all the necessary to make this possible...
BUT there are some problem that i haven't resolved yet for a lack of knowledge of course.
it seems that the hfp override any other profiles on that example, it's not bad, in a system that i want to use i need only a HFP profile and AD2P togheter all the rest is useless
i think that this at the end is a fork of the standard android project and how I/we can put it into a rom or a patch and who want to add to a rom/kernel? how it can be done? is a patch better ? a new kernel like franco's or better to submit to google?
I hope to have intrigued someone with this post and I hope that somebody can link me to some documentation to understand how to put all the information I have together.
ps. i have tried to reply into this thread:
[Q] Android phone as bluetooth headset?
but of course i have to few posts to make my suggestion there
I may be out of line here but try reading about the gmate+ device.
I got one paired with my Nexus 7 32gb right now and currently using it as a phone. I believe there are other similar gadgets out there, as I've done some researches before I actually got mine to work. I have yet to try it with a bluetooth headset paired because I lost mine just on the day when I was about to try it out.
Anyway, one problem here is, the app for the device is currently not updated so there are a lot of things that need tweaking and one major issue for me is the ringtone. As I have posted here before, sine N7 does not have native ringtone, there's no alert tone for incoming calls. As for text messages, the notification alert tone works. I know there's also GPRS for it but haven't tried it out yet.
Try these options...
As far as an option for a Nexus 7 you may want to try a sip dialer like 3cx or linphone or zoiper and establish a free sip account at iptel.org or something. As long as you have wifi or a 3g connection which some tablet have you should be able to make and receive calls, or try ""Blue Fi" from the play store. it may work.
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Did anybody ever get this working? I have my Nexus installed in the car, and would love to be able to use it as a speakerphone. I don't need to actually be able to make the calls via the tablet, just need to be able to use it as a basic bluetooth speakerphone / headset type of thing.
It sounds like it should be something fairly simple, but I cannot seem to find much.
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golfnz34me said:
I have been wanting this for a long time, I'd love to be able to take my older Android phone and re-purpose it as a car GPS/Internet Radio/Handfree, etc.
I know the Samsung Galaxy player has this functionality, I wonder if any of their devs could help out.
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I just got a new Nexus 7 for the same purpose of replacing my vehicles head unit with a tablet.
I am digging into the BT stack since I believe that I should be able to implement (or port) the profile on top of Android 4.3 assuming that the SCO data is available through the raw BT connection. There is an open source HFP implementation on sourceforge for Linux that migh be close enough to do the trick and save a bunch of coding time. It's going to take a while for me to get the time to dive too deeply into this one, but if I succeed or come to the conclusion it can't be done, I will let folks know.
Hello guys.
I am going to buy Nexus 7 for my car for the same purposes, - navigating, internet.
But mainly is for the Hands Free function.
Unfortunately, people saying nexus can't use it. But it's lol...I don't believe nexus7 doesn't support hands free.
Gentelman, tell me any way to make nexus 7 works hands free.
Thank you in advance.
P.S. if you ask wham am I mean when saying "hands free", so there is an example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEFjDKtlao8
Use some Motorola MotoActiv Bt code?
I have a Motorola MotoActiv running watch... Features gps tracking for running and biking, MP3 player and Bluetooth... The Bluetooth is mainly used for wireless headphones, but if you have a Motorola Phone, the watch can display text msgs from the phone and you can use the headphones/mic through the watch to take calls. (the idea being that you can leave the phone in a pocket or backpack while you're bike riding, I guess, and still take calls.)
The device runs Android (I'm sure someone's rooted it on here). Maybe that code can be dissected and repurposed for what were all looking for??
J
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I have a Motorola MotoActiv running watch... Features gps tracking for running and biking, MP3 player and Bluetooth... The Bluetooth is mainly used for wireless headphones, but if you have a Motorola Phone, the watch can display text msgs from the phone and you can use the headphones/mic through the watch to take calls. (the idea being that you can leave the phone in a pocket or backpack while you're bike riding, I guess, and still take calls.)
The device runs Android (I'm sure someone's rooted it on here). Maybe that code can be dissected and repurposed for what were all looking for??
J
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Just an update on something I said in my previous post... I was looking at my MotoActiv watch today and it says you have to have an "Android phone" not a Motorola phone as I said in my previous post. So I'm wondering if the phone audio over Bt can be reverse engineered from the Motoactive watch for other android devices.
I actually decided to root my watch today just for the fun of it... it would really make the perfect "Car Head Unit" as it has Android OS, MP3 capabilities, FM Tuner, Bluetooth and Phone audio over Bluetooth built in... if only the screen was larger than 1.5".
Looks like the Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 2013 are getting some love in this area with a new custom stack:
http://www.bluez.org/bluez-for-android-status-update/
Looks like you need some compiling skills, but I think this is what you are looking for.
It must be work... Or not?
Hello guys!
I'm thinking on a same project for a while. It doesn't matter if not work for me, but would be great if yes.
I found something 2 days ago:
Parrot Asteroid Smart
This is an android base head unit/navigation, and the bluetooth handsfree is working on it. How it's possible? Any chance to port it into the Nexus 7?
solution
So i had an idea today and decided to call my carrier (Cricket). They told me it is possible to purchase an extra sim card and they will program the imei# to match my phone. This will enable me to make and receive calls on my tablet as well as my phone using the same number. Also i will have full access to my data.....problem solved with only 15 dollars. I hope this helps somebody.
I am in the search for the best, well best for a descent price that is probably double din card stereo with the best Android integration.
By that I mean mainly blue tooth and usb.
I know based on some of the bluetooth protocols there are quite a range of things that can be integrated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Bluetooth_protocol_stack)
For example pluging into USB and the deck seeing the internal memory as well as SD Card to be able to play files from it, bluetooth being able to push music to the deck as well as the deck being able to communicate with apps such as pandora to skip tracks and such from the deck.
My searches thus far have lead to me this model http://www.crutchfield.com/p_105KWHR81B/JVC-KW-HDR81BT.html?showAll=N&search=KW-HDR81BT&skipvs=T
But I know there is one more bluetooth feature I would like and that is (MAP) Message Access Profile, which allows for text related messages to the deck for text to speech functions an such. (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_...tooth-do-besides-make-calls-abcs-of-car-tech/)
So anyone have ideas, I think there are new models announced close to this time of year right?
Anyone have good suggestions for a review site?
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I am in the search for the best, well best for a descent price that is probably double din card stereo with the best Android integration.
By that I mean mainly blue tooth and usb.
I know based on some of the bluetooth protocols there are quite a range of things that can be integrated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Bluetooth_protocol_stack)
For example pluging into USB and the deck seeing the internal memory as well as SD Card to be able to play files from it, bluetooth being able to push music to the deck as well as the deck being able to communicate with apps such as pandora to skip tracks and such from the deck.
My searches thus far have lead to me this model http://www.crutchfield.com/p_105KWHR81B/JVC-KW-HDR81BT.html?showAll=N&search=KW-HDR81BT&skipvs=T
But I know there is one more bluetooth feature I would like and that is (MAP) Message Access Profile, which allows for text related messages to the deck for text to speech functions an such. (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_...tooth-do-besides-make-calls-abcs-of-car-tech/)
So anyone have ideas, I think there are new models announced close to this time of year right?
Anyone have good suggestions for a review site?
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This is what I'm looking into. Somebody sent me a screen shot of the app radio hooked up to their HTC and it even had the sense 4 lock ring displayed
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/AppRadio/AppRadio+2+(SPH-DA100)
CharliesTheMan said:
This is what I'm looking into. Somebody sent me a screen shot of the app radio hooked up to their HTC and it even had the sense 4 lock ring displayed
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/AppRadio/AppRadio+2+(SPH-DA100)
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That looks very cool but my phone is not on the list plus it seems like something that is in its infancy still. I think a broader technology like bluetooth that could be compatible with many more devices may be a better way of connecting. I think that kind of thing will be awesome in a few years when they nail down a standard for communicating audio/video to the head unit, almost like the head unit is just a monitor to the phone and a touchscreen monitor at that.
I'm actually looking for the same thing right now. I don't want to spend $500+ dollars on a head unit when I could buy a nexus tablet to do everything for half that. But I do want a stand alone radio that I can use with a phone or streaming data, plus a built in amp with preamp outs would be perfect.
App Radio 2 has many issues.
sureshot007 said:
I'm actually looking for the same thing right now. I don't want to spend $500+ dollars on a head unit when I could buy a nexus tablet to do everything for half that. But I do want a stand alone radio that I can use with a phone or streaming data, plus a built in amp with preamp outs would be perfect.
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I just purchased the App Radio 2, and am returning it to Crutchfield. The screen is nice looking, but otherwise it is the single most disappointing electronic device I have ever purchased. I won't go into the long list of complaints about the device, as the hatred I now have for it could destroy a small city. Suffice to say that the unit functions as designed, but was likely designed by a team of engineers who had never seen a car, radio, phone or normal human being. There are a few threads here for people who are still trying to make the device worthwhile, with a particular success in the ARLiberator App.
I'm tempted to try that out, but the reality is the radio software itself is the problem in my opinion. It would be great to use the ARLiberator phone functions, but I don't like the firmware of the radio.
I'm looking at other options and right now the Parrot Asteroid Smart is a front-runner. I'm conflicted as it has runs Android 2.3 and I was hoping for something more current. Search around on the forum for more details on both before you purchase, there are many potential show stoppers.
hey guys,
I've been searching for a Android Head unit for a while now. I too hate the fact that most of them are 2.3, but check this unit out.
ebay.com/itm/Hot-2-Din-Car-Radio-DVD-Player-Fast-Cpu-Android-4-0-WIFI-3G-GPS-Ipod-Bluetooth-/170939816360
recently stumbled over it. Wondering if any has seen one or has one, worry about the quality. Currently, I'm also considering Parrot's new unit.
Hope this helps.
Dan.S said:
I just purchased the App Radio 2, and am returning it to Crutchfield. The screen is nice looking, but otherwise it is the single most disappointing electronic device I have ever purchased. I won't go into the long list of complaints about the device, as the hatred I now have for it could destroy a small city. Suffice to say that the unit functions as designed, but was likely designed by a team of engineers who had never seen a car, radio, phone or normal human being. There are a few threads here for people who are still trying to make the device worthwhile, with a particular success in the ARLiberator App.
I'm tempted to try that out, but the reality is the radio software itself is the problem in my opinion. It would be great to use the ARLiberator phone functions, but I don't like the firmware of the radio.
I'm looking at other options and right now the Parrot Asteroid Smart is a front-runner. I'm conflicted as it has runs Android 2.3 and I was hoping for something more current. Search around on the forum for more details on both before you purchase, there are many potential show stoppers.
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I tried it WITH ARLiberator and I still hate it. I'm looking at the Chinese Double Din HU's now that run only Android (not wince and android).
RSO86 said:
hey guys,
I've been searching for a Android Head unit for a while now. I too hate the fact that most of them are 2.3, but check this unit out.
ebay.com/itm/Hot-2-Din-Car-Radio-DVD-Player-Fast-Cpu-Android-4-0-WIFI-3G-GPS-Ipod-Bluetooth-/170939816360
recently stumbled over it. Wondering if any has seen one or has one, worry about the quality. Currently, I'm also considering Parrot's new unit.
Hope this helps.
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Did you buy one? I'm looking at getting one like this or something similar...
I'm currently looking for a replacement for my Clarion CX501, any updates from anyone? Seems like the APT-X support has yet to hit the headunit market.
Has no one found a good unit yet? Please update!
copekyle said:
Has no one found a good unit yet? Please update!
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Get an android based double din radio, make sure its dual core, 1G Ram, DAB+ supported, 6.2-7" TFT capacitive touch screen, steering wheel controls supported and accepts WiFi dongle. you will have the mighty Google Play store to satisfy your imagination.
obviously such a unit would support most of the Bluetooth profiles.
I noticed few units on ebay but not from any known manufacturer. best i found was from some German supplier icar-tech
Alpha V800 and Alpha S600 are the ones, I haven't confirmed all the above requirements that I would wanna see in my next head unit.
Good Luck
maxpower2078 said:
I am in the search for the best, well best for a descent price that is probably double din card stereo with the best Android integration.
By that I mean mainly blue tooth and usb.
I know based on some of the bluetooth protocols there are quite a range of things that can be integrated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Bluetooth_protocol_stack)
For example pluging into USB and the deck seeing the internal memory as well as SD Card to be able to play files from it, bluetooth being able to push music to the deck as well as the deck being able to communicate with apps such as pandora to skip tracks and such from the deck.
My searches thus far have lead to me this model http://www.crutchfield.com/p_105KWHR81B/JVC-KW-HDR81BT.html?showAll=N&search=KW-HDR81BT&skipvs=T
But I know there is one more bluetooth feature I would like and that is (MAP) Message Access Profile, which allows for text related messages to the deck for text to speech functions an such. (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_...tooth-do-besides-make-calls-abcs-of-car-tech/)
So anyone have ideas, I think there are new models announced close to this time of year right?
Anyone have good suggestions for a review site?
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You want Android in your car...install a tablet in the dash. That's the best option, or you could go with the Parrot. But from the reviews I've seen I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
Car Stereo
Hi,
Did you end up getting this head unit?
Does it work well?
RSO86 said:
hey guys,
I've been searching for a Android Head unit for a while now. I too hate the fact that most of them are 2.3, but check this unit out.
ebay.com/itm/Hot-2-Din-Car-Radio-DVD-Player-Fast-Cpu-Android-4-0-WIFI-3G-GPS-Ipod-Bluetooth-/170939816360
recently stumbled over it. Wondering if any has seen one or has one, worry about the quality. Currently, I'm also considering Parrot's new unit.
Hope this helps.
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I wanted to get in on this thread to see if anyone has actually pulled the trigger and bought something yet.
I share the same mentality -- the phone/tablet can handle most of the "smart" functions. All that's needed is rock-solid bluetooth support. If it does great USB, that's a huge bonus.
I have one of the older Pioneer stereos that first did Bluetooth. I got it around 2007. The market has matured a lot since then and I'm itching for an upgrade.
WuddaWaste said:
I wanted to get in on this thread to see if anyone has actually pulled the trigger and bought something yet.
I share the same mentality -- the phone/tablet can handle most of the "smart" functions. All that's needed is rock-solid bluetooth support. If it does great USB, that's a huge bonus.
I have one of the older Pioneer stereos that first did Bluetooth. I got it around 2007. The market has matured a lot since then and I'm itching for an upgrade.
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I've had a look around many different forums and stores, and I'm still at square one. I totally agree that all that's needed is rock-solid bluetooth support.
I've been into a few shops in the last few days and BT paired my GS2 running CM11 and Google Play Music with some head units....for what they can do via bluetooth, they all seem to do a decent job of it......I can skip/pause songs on either the head unti or the phone, Google Play Music on the phone updates as you switch songs on the HU.
But what it doesn't seem capable of (that I've seen or read about), which apparently iPhones can do, is change albums, browse by artist/genre, search, etc.....beyond the most basic of back/next/pause functions, unless I'm mistaken, it's just not possible when BT pairing an Android phone with any head unit on the market.
Can anyone definitively confirm that this is or is not true?
Well.... Now that android auto is in the making, maybe there will be some better offerings available for those of us looking for a good stereo!
1990clb said:
Well.... Now that android auto is in the making, maybe there will be some better offerings available for those of us looking for a good stereo!
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Until then what are we supposed to do ..buy an IPhone?
I have a Google Nexus 4 and went too the effort of looking into the options. I find it utterly amazing in an Android phone you can't browse albums over bluetooth its simply a joke!
The best option would be to try to maybe get a double DIN car stereo with support some kind of screen mirroring so you can change album from the touch screen maybe something like a AVIC-F60DAB but it costs a grand would be cheaper for me to buy an IPhone!!!
I belive you need the AVRCP standard if you want the track listing to display on your headset via Bluetooth.
Even if I could get a Car Stereo to support my mobile..the big problem with the Google nexus and it seems many Android devices they don't support Bluetooth very well. There is a bug in the Nexus 4 so that when you are using bluetooth in your car stereo after a while Bluetooth will just turn off Google don't seem to care about fixing this..I don't really want to get an Apple but if means I can listen to Music via Bluetooth and get access to Google Music then why not.!!
I have a Double Din car stereo. It's the Pioneer AppRadio 3 and it works well mirroring my Nexus 5. There's an app called "AppRadio Unchained" which let's you control your phone via the touch screen of the stereo. The only downside is the lack of power on the radio which makes the scrolling not as fast as any Android phone nowadays, but the Bluetooth has been working non-stop for me.
I had to buy an HDMI dapter to make it compatible though.
I've had a look at these but they are expensive! Maybe if I get a raise I'll buy one haha!
I was hoping to get something similar, but without having to use a HDMI adapter, a completely wireless solution would be kick ass!
I have an in-dash receiver in my truck that has a flip out screen and was hoping when I played songs over BT to it that it would show the Artist, cover art and album but it isn't. Does anyone know if Android does ID3 tags over BT A2DP or if I am out of luck?
It should. Be sure to check the receiver and that it is allowing it. I personally have tags go over BT.
RileyIssKing said:
It should. Be sure to check the receiver and that it is allowing it. I personally have tags go over BT.
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Thanks. I thought Android did. I have a ticket submitted with the receiver maker but haven't heard back yet.
Mainly depends on version of BT in the receiver. As long as it's 4.0 or newer, it should work.
Well I called the manufacturer and was told this receiver does not do it. Kind of disappointing.
mmurphmsu said:
I have an in-dash receiver in my truck that has a flip out screen and was hoping when I played songs over BT to it that it would show the Artist, cover art and album but it isn't. Does anyone know if Android does ID3 tags over BT A2DP or if I am out of luck?
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I've had 3 Kenwoods and a Pioneer, and the best way to make sure everything is tagged properly is use MP3Tag to edit everything and update it. For bluetooth, I used Neutron, it's got true 24-bit playback and 64-bit processing and will read lossless files. I never had problem with it pulling information from files.
chernabog88008 said:
I've had 3 Kenwoods and a Pioneer, and the best way to make sure everything is tagged properly is use MP3Tag to edit everything and update it. For bluetooth, I used Neutron, it's got true 24-bit playback and 64-bit processing and will read lossless files. I never had problem with it pulling information from files.
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Well the bad thing is, is that I am streaming music from Google Play/Pandora and they don't show up. When I called the manufacturer, they told me no it does, but it sure does look like it should because there is a box there that to me looks like some album art work should go in.
mmurphmsu said:
Well the bad thing is, is that I am streaming music from Google Play/Pandora and they don't show up. When I called the manufacturer, they told me no it does, but it sure does look like it should because there is a box there that to me looks like some album art work should go in.
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And in working for Apple, I can personally tell you, the manufacturer's lie. I've had calls about Car Play, and yes, it's a piece of junk, but it's because the manufacturer's don't update software. Honda's you have to take to the dealership, lift the hood, root through the fuse box, and then plug it into a computer to load the firmware. Lots of fun, and dealers are so eager to do a 'free' upgrade on software when it costs them $100 to pay a tech to do it. Ford isn't any better. I had a guy call in with a Chevy where on hands-free, it would ring, he'd answer the call on his dash, and it would revert the call back to the phone. The best things you can do are, go to the dealer and see if there's an update, or b) quit trying to use ONLY what came in the phone. I looked around for something that suited my needs rather than trying to make a free app play in a $20,000 or more vehicle, and be upset it didn't.
chernabog88008 said:
And in working for Apple, I can personally tell you, the manufacturer's lie. I've had calls about Car Play, and yes, it's a piece of junk, but it's because the manufacturer's don't update software. Honda's you have to take to the dealership, lift the hood, root through the fuse box, and then plug it into a computer to load the firmware. Lots of fun, and dealers are so eager to do a 'free' upgrade on software when it costs them $100 to pay a tech to do it. Ford isn't any better. I had a guy call in with a Chevy where on hands-free, it would ring, he'd answer the call on his dash, and it would revert the call back to the phone. The best things you can do are, go to the dealer and see if there's an update, or b) quit trying to use ONLY what came in the phone. I looked around for something that suited my needs rather than trying to make a free app play in a $20,000 or more vehicle, and be upset it didn't.
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The radio I am using is not a stock radio, it is a Boss BV9967B.
mmurphmsu said:
The radio I am using is not a stock radio, it is a Boss BV9967B.
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And again, manufacturers don't tell you everything, or really know what's going on. They might have tested it 4 years ago and it work for Android 4,but they never followed up beyond that. I just replaced a ddx773 Kenwood with a ddx 794, big difference? The 773 would only support 5000 audio files, where the 794 does 50,000. Worse, a lot of these stereo manufacturers only really make stuff 'new' every 2 or 3 years, and keep using a lot of the same hardware and software in new chassis and call it brand new. Some of it could just be faulty. My 773, which I had a week, locked up on Pandora, and would stream, but no information, no fast forward, skipped when choosing stations. When I replaced it, the new unit functioned fine. But for all practical purposes, it's worth considering trying other apps on a trial, and see if something else will work with the head unit, or if it needs to be changed.