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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JcLRScNUR8#t=9m00s
there's no competition here. EVO owners are our brothers and sisters. We are all on the same team, fighting the fruit.
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there's no competition here. EVO owners are our brothers and sisters. We are all on the same team, fighting the fruit.
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That reminded me of Veggie-Tales
Nice screen size....... that's all I can say though everything else is standard. My nexus on Froyo is a lot smoother and quicker than that.
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there's no competition here. EVO owners are our brothers and sisters. We are all on the same team, fighting the fruit.
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This is true.
used evo today, it was definitely laggy compared to my nexus. but the evo was solid as hell and i liked the form factor a whole lot. its almost like the perfect tablet/phone size. love the smooth slate back too.
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lol agreed. lets stop the robot on robot hating and focus on the real enemy ;D
Evo was nice but compared to holding a N1 its not close. Same for the Incredible(honestly i didnt like it at all,too plasticy). Nothing has the feel in hand the nexus does from my experience. At the same time if ya handed me either phone and said "Here it yours". I d take it in a second. All three phones ive stated run nice. Would be very happy either way. But i do like my nexus above all.
this isnt the nexus ****ting on the evo..this is android 2.2 ****ting on android 2.1
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Agree that EVO users are our brothers and sisters.
Disagree that we're fighting the fruit. We're fighting limitations.
bobdude5 said:
this isnt the nexus ****ting on the evo..this is android 2.2 ****ting on android 2.1
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+1 to this one
Both devices have their advantages and disadvantages, but infighting like this just makes us look bad. Grow up guys
I'd like to see a 2.1 Nexus vs a 2.1 EVO and then a 2.2 Nexus vs a 2.2 EVO (we will have to wait though).
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Agreed.
The more people using Androids (and less FRUITS), the better. ANY win for Android is a win for ALL of us.
That being said, I did get a chance to check out the EVO yesterday at a Sprint store. After the short line wait (lol), I got my hands on it and compared. Here's what I found:
Pros:
Despite the size, my N1 feels heavier. What the heck? I am using a full-body skin, but it can't make THAT much of a difference.
The Evo isn't THAT much larger when one is placed over the other. In fact, it made me realize just how much bezel is at the bottom of the N1 (where the trackball is). On the Evo, that space is much reduced. There should be few problems fitting the Evo into pockets etc, as the size is not too much larger.
The screen size is definitely just amazing. Browsing webpages is much more enjoyable.
3G Speed: Loading up webpages was always faster on the Evo than my N1. I quickly downloaded Ookla Speedtest on both phones and got an average of 2000/650 on the Evo and 400/1350 on the N1 (both on 3G, don't think there's 4G here). Of course, they could have had a 3G repeater in the Sprint store. And it's funny how T-Mobile's uploads were exactly twice as high, and I got 1350 every single time. I think they're both upload-capped.
The soft buttons under the screen are much easier to hit. From the second I picked up the phone, I hit them 100% of the time without any problems. I'm not sure what the heck HTC did with the N1, and why the labels don't match the touch points.
Cons:
I can definitely tell the color difference between the two. I loaded up Engadget and looked at one of the pictures on the front page on both phones. It was night and day. The N1 was colorful and vibrant and the Evo seemed washed out. Any N1 user will instantly tell how much of a difference the AMOLED screen makes.
The N1 certainly takes the cake in terms of style. The Evo looks plain, almost ugly. The N1 feels more solid as well. But that may be due to the weight as I said previously.
Flash/FroYo. Of course, we have it, they don't. The person next to me testing the other Evo was asking the employee if it had Flash. I didn't get the chance to butt into their conversation but I was this close to showing off my N1... I know the Evo has root already, but development will always be better on the N1 since it's Google's baby.
The Evo definitely felt laggy and scrolling homescreens was not smooth. (Chalk it up to FroYo of course.)
Anyway, I don't see how that video is the N1 "****ting" on the Evo? The comparison was like 1/10th of the video, and the speed was only marginally faster.
Anyone else try out the Evo yesterday / today?
In any case, the bottom line here is that there is no competition between our phones. This is only bad for Apple, who is probably shaking in their boots
Yeah I went to the sprint store yesterday to play with it and I had my at&t nexus one in hand to compare. The build quality on my n1 definitely was better than the evo which had way too much plastic. I mean it was still okay but just a lot of plastic. Also there is something to be said with having an 800x 400 with amoled resolution as compared to just a bigger screen with the same resolution. While I could see more of the webpage when browsing on the evo the pages still looked sharper on my n1. With that beING said I would buy the evoif I was a sprint customer but seeing how long it took Sprint to go from the pre to the evo I just can't foresee them getting another flagship phone for awhile... while at&t is slowly but surely about to release a lot of new android phones from dell, HTC, and Samsung
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Didn't have the patience to watch the whole video so I fast forwarded to the end. I am amazed at how much brighter and clearer the nexus 1 screen is compared to the evo. That video would make me want to buy the N1 more.
True... Check this video out... screen comparison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd9X60M_Knc
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Didn't have the patience to watch the whole video so I fast forwarded to the end. I am amazed at how much brighter and clearer the nexus 1 screen is compared to the evo. That video would make me want to buy the N1 more.
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I tested one also. Me full bars 3g, it full bars 4g and it was a tie to every web site. I get good hsdpa here in Portland though.... I prefer my n1 especially after that...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.
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I wouldn't get it but I also wouldn't call the CPU/GPU outdated. It's practically a given that it's just a rebranded Desire Z which is part of HTC's latest line of phones -- at least for now.
Award Tour said:
I wouldn't get it but I also wouldn't call the CPU/GPU outdated. It's practically a given that it's just a rebranded Desire Z which is part of HTC's latest line of phones -- at least for now.
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Hmm, well the latest specs that I read (about a week ago) said that it would have an 800mhz processor - endgadget says 5mp camera, no front-facing, ect. Not sure the front facing camera has every been used on my phone, but it's still cool to have, I guess; I was referring more to the outdate/price of it in my mind - Radio Shack said $150, so to me, it's outdated/slower/smaller than the EVO and costs more.
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Hmm, well the latest specs that I read (about a week ago) said that it would have an 800mhz processor - endgadget says 5mp camera, no front-facing, ect. Not sure the front facing camera has every been used on my phone, but it's still cool to have, I guess; I was referring more to the outdate/price of it in my mind - Radio Shack said $150, so to me, it's outdated/slower/smaller than the EVO and costs more.
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How is it slower? I agree that it's not a overall very appealing phone but how is it faster? It has a better CPU but more importantly it has a much better GPU.
This is the 2nd gen snapdragon and it overclocks like a motha! I been hearing 1.7 Ghz OC stable on G2's. I'm just turned off by the small screen and the keyboard. It's a shame really. I just hope the next evo has the looks of the Desire HD, but with better cpu/gpu.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/02/sprints-htc-evo-shift-4g-specs-leak-online/
looking much better???
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/02/sprints-htc-evo-shift-4g-specs-leak-online/
looking much better???
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I am all over this if those specs are correct. I have been looking for a slide out keyboard smartphone running android. I know there is the Epic, but Samsung phones have a history of no support/sucking.
Currently got an Touch Pro 2, and just waiting for the perfect phone. The front facing camera is the make or break for me. I would like to have that, and if this phone ends up not having it then I won't get it. All the pictures seem to show a camera on the front by the top speaker bar, so I am hoping all the rumors that there is no FFC are wrong.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
Previous specs from androidpolice.com NOT correct (here is the box showing the 5MP camera, no ffc). It's the desire-z without the hinge. Still a better cpu/gpu than the evo, but...
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/htc-evo-shift-4g-in-the-wild/
I'm happy to say that I have no problem with sticking with my evo. The shift seems like the att airea to me - very degraded and outdated tech.
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What's funny is the Evo is actually about to be outdated tech. Hell, the CPU/GPU is the next generation of Snapdragon, so it is actually moving forward.
My girlfriend has an Evo, and i love it, but i like how this phone has the same resolution in a smaller screen.
I'm definitely getting one on launch day.
The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?
I find it odd not one person has mentioned the landscape sense. That's usually a hit
I'm still unsure about this device. I love my EVO, and I love the G2, but the screen size on the Shift is just too small for me. Not to mention, the buttons at the bottom look laughably too big on the poor thing.
I guess it would be pretty nice to have the new CPU/GPU butttt I'm not sure. I'm pretty picky about keyboards so maybe I will know once I've played with one in person.
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I'm still unsure about this device. I love my EVO, and I love the G2, but the screen size on the Shift is just too small for me. Not to mention, the buttons at the bottom look laughably too big on the poor thing.
I guess it would be pretty nice to have the new CPU/GPU butttt I'm not sure. I'm pretty picky about keyboards so maybe I will know once I've played with one in person.
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I would be surprised if there wasn't an Evo 2 to with dual-core processor released in the summer.
Good point; it doesn't have the new Sense either, which sucks!
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Well the phone is smaller but that D-pad does not make any sense... why include such thing on a device with a touchscreen. Even better would be to remove the D-pad to make space for some additional keys OR expand the current keys.
It looks 'toy-like' similar to the Epic.
I think I will wait for another device. Staying with the EVO until something else pops up.
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The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?
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You hit the nail on the head. Right on all counts.
Second Gen Snapdragon kills it, but I'm waiting for the dual cores!!!
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The internals are better in the Evo shift than the Evo.
Clock speed is irrelevant, much like clock speed on processors.
Don't even try to suggest that the i5s at 2.5 ghz are slower than the Pentium 4 3.0ghz.
My comment to the Evo shift is the fact that, while it is better than the Evo, it is 2010 technology.
By summer we are going to have 2011 technology.
Why would I not just wait 3 - 5 months and pay the same amount for much better?
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You hit the nail on the head. Right on all counts.
Second Gen Snapdragon kills it, but I'm waiting for the dual cores!!!
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that is a great arguement/point..
but it has a great flaw as well!
wait 3-5 months... and reuse
wash, rinse, and repeat...
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Good point; it doesn't have the new Sense either, which sucks!
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that is exactly what i was gonna say, if it had the new sense then i would've thought about it. Plus it wont work with a powermat, i love my evo for that
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Well the phone is smaller but that D-pad does not make any sense... why include such thing on a device with a touchscreen. Even better would be to remove the D-pad to make space for some additional keys OR expand the current keys.
It looks 'toy-like' similar to the Epic.
I think I will wait for another device. Staying with the EVO until something else pops up.
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My wife is completely gaga over this phone and being someone who got suckered by Samsung and my local sprint reps (When I was torn between the epic and the evo at epic launch, they all said 'hands down its the epic it'll have 2.2 in a few weeks'...heh) into buying a phone with a keyboard I wish I had gone the other way. Personally, I hate the blue tint of the phone, I despise the trackpad (who uses a trackpad anymore?), I could care less about the lack of FFC or the 5mp vs 8mp but in all honesty there needed to be a smaller alternative for people wanting high-end hardware on sprint without having to have a massive screen. Part of the reason my better half loves this phone is that she rarely carries a purse and if she got an Epic or an Evo she could not carry her phone in her pocket as she is used to and would then have to carry a bag for it.
Sprint just posted the fact sheet but no availability date.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/news/htc-evo-shift-4g-fact-sheet.htm
the fact sheet says it has the newest version of HTC Sense. There's no reason they wouldn't include it.
Just played with a work colleague's Galaxy S2 and now my Vision feels like the fat ugly friend you see standing with the tall hot chick in a nightclub
That phone is properly awesome...
I cannot live without a physical keyboard so I don't have the option of getting one, sadly.
Please say some stuff to make me feel better about my phone?
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Consider it an evil of the technology treadmill. A newer product is typically going to be faster and better than an older one (unless the manufacturer really screwed up!). You'll drive yourself crazy envying every new phone that comes along that is newer than what you have. So unless you have wads of cash to buy every nice looking phone that comes out, most of us have to make a decision based on the choices you have at the time you want to upgrade, and live with it until you can afford the next upgrade. No doubt, even if you bought a Galxy S2, you would end up salivating the next "latest and greatest" in a few months. Appreciate the fact that you have a nice performing, solidly built phone with a hardware keyboard, that has (and will continue to have, for some time) great developer support.
Ya my roommate just got the g2x and now I hate my phone.
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I know my phone is good and dev support is GREAT, which will allow it a decent enough lifespan for some time to come.
But I just wish someone would put out a super-phone WITH A DAMN KEYBOARD!! I don't care what it would cost to buy, I would buy it. Sure this phone can be OC'd quite nicely, but with the weak mono speaker, average camera and video, screen which is rubbish in direct sunlight, etc. it's not really my dream hardware :-/
Here's hoping the next Nexus comes with with a keyboard, dual (or quad!) core, a gig of ram and decent multimedia components!!
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I know my phone is good and dev support is GREAT, which will allow it a decent enough lifespan for some time to come.
But I just wish someone would put out a super-phone WITH A DAMN KEYBOARD!! I don't care what it would cost to buy, I would buy it. Sure this phone can be OC'd quite nicely, but with the weak mono speaker, average camera and video, screen which is rubbish in direct sunlight, etc. it's not really my dream hardware :-/
Here's hoping the next Nexus comes with with a keyboard, dual (or quad!) core, a gig of ram and decent multimedia components!!
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I hear you about the direct sunlight. That absolutely blows. Someone wants to trade me the nexus s and I would be all down for it except the no keyboard and few other quirks like no sd card.
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And a 4"+ screen
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And a 4"+ screen
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I know i'm in the minority on this one but screens can be too big. HD7 for example. Just looks gaudy and over the top to me.
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I know i'm in the minority on this one but screens can be too big. HD7 for example. Just looks gaudy and over the top to me.
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I'm with you 4.3" is to big. My bro has a DHD and I find it uncomfortable to use.
My boss just got SGS2 and I have to admit I'm a bit jealous because it is awesome. But I can't see my self ever having a phone without a hardware keyboard so the S2 is a no go for me. I'm certain my next phone will be the successor to the G2, assuming that HTC backtrack on the whole bootloader thing.
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I'm with you 4.3" is to big. My bro has a DHD and I find it uncomfortable to use.
My boss just got SGS2 and I have to admit I'm a bit jealous because it is awesome. But I can't see my self ever having a phone without a hardware keyboard so the S2 is a no go for me. I'm certain my next phone will be the successor to the G2, assuming that HTC backtrack on the whole bootloader thing.
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I hear you about the boatloader. That is a dam shame any way you look at it.
I am not envy of any other phone that does not have a hardware keyboard!
If you want to deal with odin and lack of support for updates. Go samsung. They make nice hardware. But what good is the hardware with crap support to back it up.
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luis86dr said:
If you want to deal with odin and lack of support for updates. Go samsung. They make nice hardware. But what good is the hardware with crap support to back it up.
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Ditto. There may be faster bigger brighter phones out there, but the g1 and the g2 are such solid phones. They refuse to die. Specially g2 at 1.5ghz. It can still compete. Developers support is do big as compared to some other phones. Htc all the way. Hoping for unlocked bootloader on the sensation.
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Ditto. There may be faster bigger brighter phones out there, but the g1 and the g2 are such solid phones.
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Indeed. My Z can do anyting I need from a phone including playing ps1 games and map keys to play with. What more can I ask for. I will never give it up unless there will be a new powerful mobile with hardware keyboard, which is layed out the same way as the Z keyboard where every other row is shifted.
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Ditto. There may be faster bigger brighter phones out there, but the g1 and the g2 are such solid phones. They refuse to die. Specially g2 at 1.5ghz. It can still compete. Developers support is do big as compared to some other phones. Htc all the way. Hoping for unlocked bootloader on the sensation.
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Couldn't have said it any better myself sir! I absoletly love my phone and I have yet to be envious of any phone since getting mine back in Nov. Love the rom I'm using and couldn't see myself using any other.
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I had an HD2 for ages, an S2 for a few days (then sold it because I could make £160 profit on e-bay due to people paying silly prices!), now I've just ordered a desire Z to give it a go (£263.39 on ebuyer inc VAT)!
Though the S2 was nice & the HD2 does the job, I'm now much more excited about having a hardware keyboard than anything the S2 had to offer!
Unless you dislike hardware keyboards, I agree there's no point having phone envy yet - the S2 does nothing that the HD2/Desire Z can do; it just does things more smoothly!
I would agree that there are phones out there that might be 'prettier' and provide some 'eye candy' but I don't think I would trade my DZ for any other device out there right now.
I too cannot live without a hardware keyboard and the DZ has one of the best keyboards I have ever used. It took some getting used to because of its size, but after that initial period, a keyboard has never felt better in my hands.
And while it may not have the fastest Dual Core Processor on the market, I have yet to find any set of tasks that my DZ can't handle. Throw in the unlocked bootloader and arguably the best developer support of any Android Device and you have a recipe for a long-lasting, competitive smartphone.
I won't even consider upgrading until we get a phone that looks like a 'G3'...
i work at best buy and i see this same situation almost everyday. technology is a love hate thing. you just have to realize that its going to be constantly changing, and getting better. lets not forget that the vision is still a highend phone, and kicks alot of phones asses. i love my g2, but i do see myself getting a htc sensation. ive come to realize that although the kb on the vision is amazing, its not something i have to have. the vision is a great phone, along with the desire hd, nexus s, mytouch 4g and all of the phones that came out the same time this one did. its awesome. you just have to realize that if it does what you want with no problem, then why hate?
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i work at best buy and i see this same situation almost everyday. technology is a love hate thing. you just have to realize that its going to be constantly changing, and getting better. lets not forget that the vision is still a highend phone, and kicks alot of phones asses. i love my g2, but i do see myself getting a htc sensation. ive come to realize that although the kb on the vision is amazing, its not something i have to have. the vision is a great phone, along with the desire hd, nexus s, mytouch 4g and all of the phones that came out the same time this one did. its awesome. you just have to realize that if it does what you want with no problem, then why hate?
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I'd have to disagree with the fact the Vision is high end any more. On release yes, but 6mths down the road it's only just mid-range in pretty much all areas EXCEPT the keyboard. Single core chip (albeit a reasonable one), 512mb RAM (really? The DHD had 768mb), an average 5mp camera...
I think we make a lot of excuses for this phone, just to have the keyboard. I had to think long and hard about keeping my second one because of the questionable z-hinge, and decided that I'd have to live with it since there were no other qwertys coming out (except the Droid 2/Milestone 2 which is a no-no with encrypted bootloader).
I hate the weight of the thing, I hate the battery life (which although better than my old Desire, is still pretty poor as I work in a weak 3G area), I hate the fact I struggle to see the screen in the sunlight, I hate the sh*t-arse weak speaker which struggles to get above one decibel without distorting, and I hate the fact that HTC always cheap out on cameras, the video-recording is crap.
People come to me at work and ask what phone they should buy cos I'm kind of that guy who knows a little bit. And they've all seen the recent HTC marketing campaign here in the UK, they're like "Oh you have an HTC, do you think I should get this HTC (model)?" And I find myself saying "No, get this Samsung, or get this iPhone, they have better features that you would get use out of".
I know I'm not at the point where I want to give up the awesome dev support that HTC phones usually get, but I am at the point where I hope devs start supporting other brands a lot more too. Especially in light of HTCs locking of bootloaders, and the fact it's getting harder and harder to get full access to them. HTC has the big rep as the hacker's choice, but I don't think their hardware justifies it any more. Not at the moment at least.
Don't get me wrong, there is no other phone I'd rather have at the moment, since one doesn't exist. And the rom I'm on is frigging amazing. But if Samsung bring out an S2 with a keyboard then I'd have a heard time saying no to that, as would a lot of other people I imagine. I never thought I'd consider a Samsung after last year's update debacle, and I'm still hesitant now. But if enough devs get one, then they would sort out any probs the phone has.
OK, rant over!
I just watched an unboxing of the HTC Sensation coming to Tmobile ... GODDAMN .. that is a thing of beauty..
setspeed said:
I know my phone is good and dev support is GREAT, which will allow it a decent enough lifespan for some time to come.
But I just wish someone would put out a super-phone WITH A DAMN KEYBOARD!! I don't care what it would cost to buy, I would buy it. Sure this phone can be OC'd quite nicely, but with the weak mono speaker, average camera and video, screen which is rubbish in direct sunlight, etc. it's not really my dream hardware :-/
Here's hoping the next Nexus comes with with a keyboard, dual (or quad!) core, a gig of ram and decent multimedia components!!
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While this is true and all, I still think our phones are the best overall hardware for someone who needs a physical keyboard like myself. There are plenty of physical keyboard models out there (not as many as touch only of course), and there is still yet one to come out with better overall specs than this phone.
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If you want to deal with odin and lack of support for updates. Go samsung. They make nice hardware. But what good is the hardware with crap support to back it up.
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Yep, and that's the BIGGEST problem with Samsuck. They tend to make pretty incredible hardware (minus the vibrant, who the heck makes a camera without a flash nowadays?), but their support is absolutely abysmal. A friend here at work has an Epic 4G, and he's STILL on Eclair. Absolutely unacceptable support.
So, I used to be relatively anti-tablet. I will admit that a lot of that stemmed from how much people freaked out about the iPad when it came out. I'm not a big fan of apple, regardless of the beauty of their devices.... I can't stand how locked down and controlled their phone\tab is.
Either way, I was pretty meh on tablets and honestly that sentiment was still there when the first android tabs came out. Why the heck would I want a blown up Froyo OS if I didnt want an overblown iOS? Then.... THEN... google showed off honeycomb.
I instantly had a little twinge in my feelings of tablet-hate. Wait.... I really like Android on my phone, and.... and... an operating system that actually is MADE for tablets? I didn't understand what I was feeling.. so many conflicting emotions!
By the time the Xoom was announced I was trying my hardest to get rid of my problems with a tablet because I was so intrigued by the possibilities of honeycomb.. The issue that took the longest to overcome was... hey.. I have a nice laptop (M11x) and a phone that I use quite often. When the heck am I actually going to WANT a Tab?
I went and picked up a Xoom wifi the first day, cringing at the 600$ price-tag. So much money. I ripped the thing out of the box and set it up and found that I absolutely loved honeycomb just as I thought I would. But I had some major disappointments with the thing as well. 600$ was probably the biggest problem, but the second issue I had was my gigantic disappointment with the screen itself. It really just looked BAD, and I felt that if I was using a tablet, it had to be a TREAT to look at. And with the xoom, I appreciated the resolution, but the screen was just too poor to handle.
I boxed the Xoom up and on a whim, after about the 3rd day, decided I NEEDED to take the thing back (something all my friends did NOT expect, as I LOVE my gadgets). I felt good about my decision, and pleased to get my 600$ back. I decided I just NEEDED to wait for more tabs.
I wasn't planning on getting one so quickly after that, but when I read about what Asus was packin', I couldn't believe it. From the very first "impressions" on the TF that I read, I KNEW I had to have it. It was perfect.. beautiful screen at an amazing price point. This thing wasn't losing ANYTHING (other than 16gb) that the xoom had, yet it was gaining so much... for 200$ less!!
I dont know how Asus did it 200$ cheaper than the xoom, but I absolutely love my TF and I use it way more often than I expected I would. The screen is beautiful, the thing is lighter than the xoom, and it has a freakin' working SD card slot! My TF has it's problems (light bleed), and honeycomb has its bugs, but I couldn't be happier with my purchase. My tablet is an absolute pleasure to utilize, and its so nice to just break the thing out on an airplane or go sit outside and smoke a cig while surfing the web.
The TF really should have been the flagship product to showcase honeycomb, at the same price point, with the same screen, with the same keyboard adapter (which I am not buying\using). Maybe the public perception of android tablets would be a lot higher.
I know, cool story hansel, but so often there is a lot of negativity on these boards, I thought a happy owner story might be nice to hear. I can't be anything but excited regarding the future of Android and tablets in general. I'm truly a convert
I was in the same mindset as you until the Transformer came out. I am on my second TF (first one had a vertical line on the third IPS panel) and have no light bleed or any issues. The price point was what sold me on it's beautiful display. Now I make fun of my friends that own an Xoom and complain that their display colors are off (they use them to draw).
Ah so nice to see a refreshing I love my TF thread in the middle of all the complaining....
Here I am typing away on my Honeycomb tablet that last me for days (with combination of the dock, started at 10am this morning, I'm sitting at 80%) and actually lets me type and multitask with ease.
It took me a couple tries to get one where light bleed wasn't bad, but assuming this thing lasts (with care), I am a very happy user so far.
It's funny your story started out just like mine with the Xoom; it was the display for me too that made me take it back.
I think the part I love the most is that is not Apple nor Windows.
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So, I used to be relatively anti-tablet. I will admit that a lot of that stemmed from how much people freaked out about the iPad when it came out. I'm not a big fan of apple, regardless of the beauty of their devices.... I can't stand how locked down and controlled their phone\tab is.
Either way, I was pretty meh on tablets and honestly that sentiment was still there when the first android tabs came out. Why the heck would I want a blown up Froyo OS if I didnt want an overblown iOS? Then.... THEN... google showed off honeycomb.
I instantly had a little twinge in my feelings of tablet-hate. Wait.... I really like Android on my phone, and.... and... an operating system that actually is MADE for tablets? I didn't understand what I was feeling.. so many conflicting emotions!
By the time the Xoom was announced I was trying my hardest to get rid of my problems with a tablet because I was so intrigued by the possibilities of honeycomb.. The issue that took the longest to overcome was... hey.. I have a nice laptop (M11x) and a phone that I use quite often. When the heck am I actually going to WANT a Tab?
I went and picked up a Xoom wifi the first day, cringing at the 600$ price-tag. So much money. I ripped the thing out of the box and set it up and found that I absolutely loved honeycomb just as I thought I would. But I had some major disappointments with the thing as well. 600$ was probably the biggest problem, but the second issue I had was my gigantic disappointment with the screen itself. It really just looked BAD, and I felt that if I was using a tablet, it had to be a TREAT to look at. And with the xoom, I appreciated the resolution, but the screen was just too poor to handle.
I boxed the Xoom up and on a whim, after about the 3rd day, decided I NEEDED to take the thing back (something all my friends did NOT expect, as I LOVE my gadgets). I felt good about my decision, and pleased to get my 600$ back. I decided I just NEEDED to wait for more tabs.
I wasn't planning on getting one so quickly after that, but when I read about what Asus was packin', I couldn't believe it. From the very first "impressions" on the TF that I read, I KNEW I had to have it. It was perfect.. beautiful screen at an amazing price point. This thing wasn't losing ANYTHING (other than 16gb) that the xoom had, yet it was gaining so much... for 200$ less!!
I dont know how Asus did it 200$ cheaper than the xoom, but I absolutely love my TF and I use it way more often than I expected I would. The screen is beautiful, the thing is lighter than the xoom, and it has a freakin' working SD card slot! My TF has it's problems (light bleed), and honeycomb has its bugs, but I couldn't be happier with my purchase. My tablet is an absolute pleasure to utilize, and its so nice to just break the thing out on an airplane or go sit outside and smoke a cig while surfing the web.
The TF really should have been the flagship product to showcase honeycomb, at the same price point, with the same screen, with the same keyboard adapter (which I am not buying\using). Maybe the public perception of android tablets would be a lot higher.
I know, cool story hansel, but so often there is a lot of negativity on these boards, I thought a happy owner story might be nice to hear. I can't be anything but excited regarding the future of Android and tablets in general. I'm truly a convert
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You're a good man... I agree with you 100% on everything you said. This tablet is amazing and it very well should have been a flagship device but google is already in bed with samsung, htc and moto so there really wasn't a chance for that.
I'm willing to bet though that if Asus did some aggressive advertising in the American market, android tablet sales would blow up much more than how they did through moto's xoom advertisements. The TF appeals to so many different kinds of people, it offers something unique that other tablets don't and it's priced extremely competitively. This thing should of blown up by now.
The Xoom's display was really just lacking a sharpness and it really disappointed me. The screen on the TF was exactly what I was looking for. I'm a big sucker for NICE screens, and it's nice to use that instead of my M11x for casual browsing and stuff.
TF screen is STILL so pleasurable, even after owning the thing for a month.
I'm struggling with the thought of getting the keyboard dock for the TF. Not only would it actually be nicer than I expected to be able to type on my TF (I really am not a big fan of touchscreen keyboards so I switch to my laptop when heavy typing occurs), but the other benefits are pretty exceptional too. People say it's expensive but you really get kind of a lot for your money. It's WAY more intriguing than I expected it to be, purely because I love using my TF so much
Oh and starplaya... I'm at LEAST pretty happy with the fact that the TF seems to be selling pretty damn well and beyond expectations. It could STILL be the jumpstart android tablets need.
I really seem to get a lot of positivity when people who have HEARD of the TF actually see me using it. People seem intrigued and generally have a favorable amount of interest, whereas the Xoom seems to generally be thought of as negative. That's important for sales.
I agree 100%! Great post!
When I had the xoom I doubted every second of using it. I think every other electronic device I own has been doubted at one time or another after purchasing it.
I have no regrets at all after finally getting my eee pad. One of the best investments I have made in a long time.
Nice post Baconstrip.
I agree with your thoughts on the matter...I too was a doubter at first.
Incidentally I'm a TF user with no hardware issues whatsoever - which contributes to my happiness with the situation.
Only a couple of downsides for me: No 3/4G and No standard USB on the tablet.
One BIG positive that people often confuse as a negative:
It's early days for honeycomb. Sure that means not a whole boatload of apps right now but we do get to be there right from the start of the journey. There is going to be a whole lot of awesome coming for android tablets soon enough.
my friend got a galaxy, i held it and it felt...off. felt almost like a toy, easy to break almost. i like the transformer much better ^_^
I really enjoy using the transformer,
The hdmi port which I didn't think I will use much,
But now I am always connecting it up to my tv for playing games, streaming moving, playing flash streams,
I don't even use the built in Internet on the tv anymore...
Agree with you.
The only thing I miss is an Usb port. But I agree it should be honeycomb flagship. With its specs and price it would be the greatest threat to ipad, and would make android recognized as the #1 tablet OS.
Regards.
Love the post OP. Just like you, I was not on the Tablet train; AND I don't consider to be part of it even after buying the TF + Dock! When the iPad was first released I thought it was the dumbest thing ever and was later baffled by the insane explosion that the Tablet market became. The Transformer is different though, it.... Transforms! XD
But yes, the screen, build quality, seems to rival that of any top-quality gadgets. Sure, the TF has its issues, but mine is great and I love every second of it!
This thing has 1GB of RAM, a Dual-Core processor, and excellent integrated graphics! Think about running Windows 8 in a year or even running a Native Ubuntu in the near future!
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Love the post OP. Just like you, I was not on the Tablet train; AND I don't consider to be part of it even after buying the TF + Dock! When the iPad was first released I thought it was the dumbest thing ever and was later baffled by the insane explosion that the Tablet market became. The Transformer is different though, it.... Transforms! XD
But yes, the screen, build quality, seems to rival that of any top-quality gadgets. Sure, the TF has its issues, but mine is great and I love every second of it!
This thing has 1GB of RAM, a Dual-Core processor, and excellent integrated graphics! Think about running Windows 8 in a year or even running a Native Ubuntu in the near future!
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Imagine being able to dual boot either android or ubuntu - now that would be the sweet spot!
Rob
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Imagine being able to dual boot either android or ubuntu - now that would be the sweet spot!
Rob
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It would be amazing! Unfortunately, I only have a 16GB TF101 so, I would be short on memory constraints unless I use the 16GB SD card.
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It would be amazing! Unfortunately, I only have a 16GB TF101 so, I would be short on memory constraints unless I use the 16GB SD card.
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It's more than enaugh for ubuntu distro together with honeycomb.
On topic - I love my transformer and except some light bleed and SOD 5 times/day, it's perfect. I believe SOD will get sorted out eventually anda light bleed is nothing to worry about (I can always return it if it bugs me).
Hahaha sweet. OP I'm using an m11x here too as my laptop! *high fives*
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
I went from a playbook to a transformer and honestly what a huge difference. The playbook did appear to be pretty smooth at handling multitasking but the biggest problem was what could you multitask with....Once i got my transformer I had it rooted, overclocked and had ubuntu running vnc within days of purchase. These forums are forever giving new ideas and the devs are amazing so i couldn't have made a better purchase imo.
*high fives back* I love the combo
I would hardly call the Transformer a Tablet. it just feels like it can do so much more!
Two main things.
1. The Touch is a fun ass phone. I love my Epic, but the larger screen and smoothness is a joy. I rooted the ET4G and running Calk's latest on there. Battery life is great too. But no camera button? c'mon... Thankfully it only cost $125, so it was tough to pass up. Got the white too, which is actually pretty nice with a black case. And it'll have better resale value too.
2. I really really really need a keyboard. I can type and edit (edit being the key) with the Epic's keyboard better than I can on screen even with a 4.5" keyboard, swype and what not. Wizzing around docs to go, doing real writing that requires thought and such is just so much easier when you can maneuver seamlessly with arrow keys, have a dedicated row for numbers, don't need to hit buttons to get different layouts.
So we'll see how long I can live with the ET4G before it replaces my Evo3D as the home wifi device or goes to another rep, and I'm back with the Epic.
But the point of this thread is I want to see a new premium slider on Sprint. My Sprint bill may only be $1500/mo, small potatoes in the corporate world, but it gives me three different levels of contacts to complain to. The Droid4 with it's warts and all just has me longing for the latest and greatest slider. So if you're in the same boat, it takes two minutes to drop an email to [email protected] and voice your opinion. I've done that as well as sent emails to my care rep and her boss as well as my local sprint rep. I don't see any slider on the horizon and there is GSIII talk for the summer along with the HTC One that is coming. I'm tired of seeing a plethora of mostly redundant slates proliferate the market while the Droid4 and Epic/Stratosphere remain the lone business/productive oriented devices on the market. I can't be the only one in this boat.
I currently have both sitting next to me. I agree, Caulk's ROM is a thing of beauty. But for whatever reason, I still prefer the Epic rather than the ET4G.
Larger screen size is nice, but it only goes as far as videos and some gaming. Other than that, I feel like I'm holding a phone that's meant for "special" people, in regards to the supersized icons and buttons. I'm by no means overweight, but just using the dialer makes me think that I have a phone designed for fat fingers syndrome.
I was a bit peeved at how long it took me to get the ET4G to die on a single charge, though. Probably went through 2+ regular cycles with the Epic with the amount of usage I put it through. Didn't think a bump in mAh would've been that drastic of an improvement.. although, an extra core can't hurt either. Still, would've been nice to have that sort of longevity out of the box.
xxn0sflam3zxx said:
I currently have both sitting next to me. I agree, Caulk's ROM is a thing of beauty. But for whatever reason, I still prefer the Epic rather than the ET4G.
Larger screen size is nice, but it only goes as far as videos and some gaming. Other than that, I feel like I'm holding a phone that's meant for "special" people, in regards to the supersized icons and buttons. I'm by no means overweight, but just using the dialer makes me think that I have a phone designed for fat fingers syndrome.
I was a bit peeved at how long it took me to get the ET4G to die on a single charge, though. Probably went through 2+ regular cycles with the Epic with the amount of usage I put it through. Didn't think a bump in mAh would've been that drastic of an improvement.. although, an extra processor can't hurt either. Still, would've been nice to have that sort of longevity out of the box.
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quick thing its an extra core not processor haha. the ET4G and most newer phones are Dual Core, if they were Dual Processor HOLY S**T would it be a like having a small desktop at your hands haha
xxn0sflam3zxx said:
I currently have both sitting next to me. I agree, Caulk's ROM is a thing of beauty. But for whatever reason, I still prefer the Epic rather than the ET4G.
Larger screen size is nice, but it only goes as far as videos and some gaming. Other than that, I feel like I'm holding a phone that's meant for "special" people, in regards to the supersized icons and buttons. I'm by no means overweight, but just using the dialer makes me think that I have a phone designed for fat fingers syndrome.
I was a bit peeved at how long it took me to get the ET4G to die on a single charge, though. Probably went through 2+ regular cycles with the Epic with the amount of usage I put it through. Didn't think a bump in mAh would've been that drastic of an improvement.. although, an extra processor can't hurt either. Still, would've been nice to have that sort of longevity out of the box.
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The battery life is impressive so far. Can't believe how long I sit above 80. And don't think it's just the battery. I have an aftermarket 1800mah for my Epic that was tested to be 1500mAh. it's what i've been using for two days, and I've been getting much better battery life than my tricked out Epic. Don't know if it's Calk's battery scripts or the extra core. But it is significant.
As far as it remaining my daily driver, I think it would be a different story if there was a res bump. The screen is impressive. Showing pics for work, viewing movies and such is nice, but it's the same reason I ditched my Streak 7. If I'm going to a larger screen then I want more resolution. I think I'm also spoiled by my 17" 1920x1200 res laptop. I don't need a "retina" screen, but if I already have 480p in my 4", I really need 576 or 600 in something bigger and a supposed "upgrade".
The speed and screen size are nice, but I think the keyboard is actually going to win out. But it does make me long for the Epic's successor. The Epic is far from long in tooth, but it is amazing to see the progression of the last two years.
I'll be receiving my International Galaxy Note in the mail early next week and at least it has a bigger screen it'll support 720p, so it's considered true HD. I'm putting the phone on Straight Talk mobile but keeping my Epic 4G since the company pays the Sprint bill. Just worried once I go big, the Epic will feel like a small toy.
XxLostSoulxX said:
quick thing its an extra core not processor haha. the ET4G and most newer phones are Dual Core, if they were Dual Processor HOLY S**T would it be a like having a small desktop at your hands haha
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Christ. I was long overdue for happy hour on that one. Thanks for the catch
xxn0sflam3zxx said:
Christ. I was long overdue for happy hour on that one. Thanks for the catch
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nothing big haha was just saying
dbpaddler said:
But the point of this thread is I want to see a new premium slider on Sprint.
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Same here.
Wait so dual core, and dual processor is different? So dual core isnt two 1.2ghz processors? It's just two cores that assist with multitasking and help lower battery consumption and lower heat?
AOKP MS4 CM9, *goes all day without charging phone *
Fire n mage said:
Wait so dual core, and dual processor is different? So dual core isnt two 1.2ghz processors? It's just two cores that assist with multitasking and help lower battery consumption and lower heat?
AOKP MS4 CM9, *goes all day without charging phone *
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http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Dual-Processor-vs-Dual-Core-23
C'mon guys
Processors can (and these days most likely have) multiple cores. Then there are computers that have multiple multi-core processors. Many Mac Pros were running two dual or quad core processors. I'm removed from the desktop world but noticed that when I was upgrading my mom's Mac.
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http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Dual-Processor-vs-Dual-Core-23
C'mon guys
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Thanks for doing the work man XD ill read up nao
AOKP MS4 CM9, *goes all day without charging phone *
I'm also finding the Touch to charge a lot quicker than my Epic on the same chargers. It's very noticeable.
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