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hi guys.
i have a tytn II PDA.
i'm using it since 2-3 months and at the end i can says it is not comfortable at all.
microsoft has to work in the worse way it is possible every time.
not complete as a pda, totally uncomfortable as a telephone.
can u tell me if there are some roma or OS to replace the windows mobile 6 pre-installed?
i knew apple OS where the best one, is there something i can do in order to have a better pda instead of this microsoft trash one?
thank you.
Google Android?
http://www.mobilecowboys.nl/nieuws/6265/fromfeed
thanks 4 the reply.
the site u linked is in duthc and i cannot understand some things.
looking around it seems android is still under development.
could you tell me something more?
tnx
No Other "fully functional" OS exists for the device.
just out of curiosity how long have you been using the device?
first month or so of using windows mobile is always tedious... but when you get used to it.. you wont want to go back (I got a nokia N95 and regretted it)
rosebud said:
No Other "fully functional" OS exists for the device.
just out of curiosity how long have you been using the device?
first month or so of using windows mobile is always tedious... but when you get used to it.. you wont want to go back (I got a nokia N95 and regretted it)
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hi there.
i'm using the pda since 3 months.
by now i've quite stopped customizing it or "playing" with since i find win mobile set up quite messy.
i came from nokia smartphone series and found symbyan the best os for mobility ever.
fully customizable, fast, stable and above all build with "few clicks" philosopy.
with official win 6 rom, in order to reach a sub menu i have to dig into folders and tabs getting annoyed really fast.
start menu is almost not customizable, i cannot move links where i like, well they could have done a far better work insetad of that.
maybe changin rom passing to an unofficial one could give me some more satisfaction, but i'm not sure since the starting point is the same.
i hope i could explain myself at an understandable basic level ^^
sorry for my horrible english
bb.
Oh,now I get it. Phone people keep moaning about how Windows doesnt behave like symbian. Duuuh! Let go of your complete reliance on the d-pad(its a Symbian thing),you have a touch screen now,use it.
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Oh,now I get it. Phone people keep moaning about how Windows doesnt behave like symbian. Duuuh! Let go of your complete reliance on the d-pad(its a Symbian thing),you have a touch screen now,use it.
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lol thanks for the hint about the touch screen
i can believe you can tell me that even USING the touch screen, finding menus and doing other stuffs is easy and intuitive!
there are lots of things could have been projected better as iphone did, for example
WM6 in trouble ?
he, he, interesting post. I also spent a lot of time trying to simplify my phone interface. There are many great programs and tips on that forum. However, the first time I had an iPhone in my hands, I admitted its interface is 8 levels ahead of M$. Now, what we need is a fully customizable, fast and stable OS. Might be Android since HTC signed the partnership. Let's see. Anyway M$ got to react quickly otherwise they might be out of the game soon.
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he, he, interesting post. I also spent a lot of time trying to simplify my phone interface. There are many great programs and tips on that forum. However, the first time I had an iPhone in my hands, I admitted its interface is 8 levels ahead of M$. Now, what we need is a fully customizable, fast and stable OS. Might be Android since HTC signed the partnership. Let's see. Anyway M$ got to react quickly otherwise they might be out of the game soon.
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i do hope!
happy to find a m8 in the fight!
between a fight and another, could u suggest me some link to find some customization suggestion pls?im almost desperate.
Hi, I do agree some things need to be "fixed" in windows mobile... and I have every Faith in the long run MS will do so.. not arguing with anyone here.. just my personal view.. when you get to grips with WM its not too bad.. third party apps do help tho! lol
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Hi, I do agree some things need to be "fixed" in windows mobile... and I have every Faith in the long run MS will do so.. not arguing with anyone here.. just my personal view.. when you get to grips with WM its not too bad.. third party apps do help tho! lol
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i was just joking ^^
i just hate M$, not guys who use it -like me -
anyway, any hint to improve wm6?
i totally agree with you...
windows mobile is very complicated becuase it has all these extras that the average cell phone user will never even bother using....word, excel, ppt, etc. while business users thrive on these features.....
i am an average cell phone user but the only reason why i got the 8525 is because of the large qwerty keyboard so i can text a lot, but i wish the interface was as simple as a normal phone, maybe google android will fix this problem in the future =)
extra features do not make something complicated. complicated to you maybe. Very simple and easy in my opinion, besides, its near identical in operation and style to desktop windows, which everyone, even mac users are familiar with.
buying a hermes for just quick sms is like buying a a ferrari to get to the shops... should have bought a sidekick.
"because of the large qwerty keyboard so i can text a lot"
tests show that young fanatics could sms alot! faster then a good typist on a normal sized keyboard could type
they only one who could beat the young sms fanatics was freaky enthusiast old school telegraphs people
if a full keyboard was all the requirements then a nokia comunicator would prob be closer to fitting the need of a normal gsm user who just wanted a keyboard
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i was just joking ^^
i just hate M$, not guys who use it -like me -
anyway, any hint to improve wm6?
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http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/
lyllo said:
i do hope!
happy to find a m8 in the fight!
between a fight and another, could u suggest me some link to find some customization suggestion pls?im almost desperate.
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Check out HTC home. you can add 8 programs to the quick launcher.
Or since you seem to be such a fan of the iPhone, why not install the iPhone interface for hermes http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302739&highlight=iphone
or you can even look into the HTC touch interface.
I think thatif you look at thoes, they will help with your situaltion.
BTW, you should look in the TyTn/Kaiser forums for specific infomation to your phone. this one is for the older TyTn(8525).
Mate, go ahead and install Mobile 6! It is a lot better than the old WM5. Make sure you get a "cooked" version from this site, one with a built in HTC cube, HTC plugin etc. You will not fail to be impressed. Did I mention that you can use a 8 meg micro card for extra storage? Try doing that with an I-Phone!
try this UI from tomorrow
try this thread
Original new site (with youtube videos)
http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/rob...ws-mobile.aspx
PointUI website
http://www.pointui.com/
tora201 said:
Did I mention that you can use a 8 meg micro card for extra storage? Try doing that with an I-Phone!
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Doesnt the iphone have 16 gigs
He meant 8 gigs of sdhc ram and if you factor in that you can have as many as you can afford then your software and music and video options are very near limitless
The Reaper
Just wondered now Microsoft have revealed WP7 what are your thoughts? My opinion is that it looks like a step back. I love that WM6.5 is so versatile and customizable and the new offering looks like a step away from this and into consumer land.
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Not right away, except for testing. But there won't be any apps to get the level of useability we have now at release time.
I would totally upgrade! WP7 looks SOOOO nice... For me 6.5 isn't a modern OS... It's old and ugly... And the app development has stagnated... WP7 will be the new, fresh start we have been waiting for.. Please HTC, give us the upgrade!!!
I would flash it but a custom one, maybe HTC's to try it on, to see what all the fuzz is about.... anyway, if portability of applications is impossible from WM6.5 and below, It wouldn't beof much use to me (If I want music or videos only in my device, I could as well get another one that is dedicated to only doing that a.k.a. iphone). The good side about wm6.5 and below is the flixibility of the system (playing videos as well as office documents, etc.)... just my opinion.
I would definitely try it out atleast, trying it out and seeing what I'm gaining/losing and then deciding to be honest. It won't be for everyone that's for sure. I'm curious to see how Microsoft will support WM 6 after 7 launches?
I would install it for testing only. Gonna stick with 6.5 until 7 is more mature and has a bit more going for it. I like that it seems basic and clean but I'm hoping that they still keep the very in depth settings and leave room for the consumer to tweak it, instead of locking it down like the iPhone os.
I agree with you Lindsaydr. Too consumer / provider focused. I use my phone to call people, txt/chat/email, web browse and run apps (some media based). I don't want an OS that seems focused on providing me an online store to buy stuff.
Have it modular and allow me to disable all the consumer/provider modules and I'll be happy.
In it's current state, I wouldn't install it to use for over a week. I'd install it just to check it out though.
I hope it changes. Otherwise Apple, Android, Windows Phone 7 will all be pretty much the same with different UI. All consumer/provider based and trying to lock you into their little world. I think Android is a little less of that.
well it still seems like there's quite a few months for things to change in Windows Phone 7 but it does seem like a good fresh start for Windows Mobile. Would be awesome if you could dual boot 6.5 and 7 on the HD2 although i guess that would be close to impossible
Two words: BUTT UGLY.
Thank you; no.
Forward to 6:51:30 and pay close attention to the her hand raised to her Ear @ 6:51:38 and Pause....that bak of the HTC HD2 !!!!!!
They have masked the front of the phone with CGI...LoL
HTC HD2 .....YEP !!! there it is !!!
http://www.studiosevent.com/newscen...&height=360&color=FF5500&width=400&height=224
that's a partially silly question
It's like keeping XP on a phenom because it's lighter than seven...
It's clearly quite a leap, so only a few will install it right away, there will be most probably compatibility problems with some applications, yet it will be the choice that "makes sense" to go for it, even if after a while, when more developers settle their applications to work in that environment.
I need WM7 in my HD2!
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Two words: BUTT UGLY.
Thank you; no.
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I know I am supposed to like it, but... bleh...the design sense is not the strongest feature of MS and it never has been. Sure, the guy who designed "metro" knows something about tennis shoes, but I don't like the new UI. It's trying too hard to be minimalist, modern and cool, but it looks like a major fail so far. YMMV.
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I was reading the "Microsoft hits redial in phone effort (Q&A)" on cnet. It sounds like 4 point multitouch instead of 2 is going to a requirement. Does the HD2 even have that in hardware? Its going to be officially no go without it.
Think i'll wait for sp1 myself.
*cough
not touching it, from what I've seen so far.
I'll stay with 6.5.5.
i loved wp7 series very smooth very fast very easy
htcplussony said:
I was reading the "Microsoft hits redial in phone effort (Q&A)" on cnet. It sounds like 4 point multitouch instead of 2 is going to a requirement. Does the HD2 even have that in hardware? Its going to be officially no go without it.
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I'm seriously trying to envision just how a 4 point multitouch system would work.
I am really not coming up with any viable scenario where FOUR fingers need to be used simultaneously to do something on my phone.
Seriously....What is that? A four-finger click will send an email to your mom asking her to bake cookies for you this weekend? Seriously. I am all in favor of improved function, but too many times with Microsoft we are forced to deal with what someone else tells us we are supposed to find intuitive and useful and very often, this is not the case.
I definitely would. I like the new UI, despite what other people may think. Although I would like for it to have Sense on it also.
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I know I am supposed to like it, but... bleh...the design sense is not the strongest feature of MS and it never has been. Sure, the guy who designed "metro" knows something about tennis shoes, but I don't like the new UI. It's trying too hard to be minimalist, modern and cool, but it looks like a major fail so far. YMMV.
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+200. I used to like Nike shoes at some point, but in the last 10(?) years they've gotten too funky for me or I've gotten too old. Regardless of who made the UI, I don't like it either.
Yeah, I know its so locked down and blah blah blah but in all actuality with the amount of support it's getting already it could be an amazing OS. Android didn't get this much love upon initial release. Most people who bought the first run of G1s couldnt tell the difference between a cellphone and a toaster and look where it's at now. WM6.5 is dead... I mean I love it, I love the amount of customization but I would like to have a phone that is relevant again also... In all honesty I wouldnt care if Cotulla released the version that was more or less a glorified feature phone, I would be right on top of it. We all know it will be app-unlocked in time and when thats the case who needs a marketplace? I know HD2 can run android and WP7 but android, regardless of how awesome it is, will always be lacking in the same manner as iphones are in terms of physical appeal. There is none. Just like no other type of phone has a music program that doesnt just more or less suck (If you think iphones music player is just the best then you're likely a tool.) I think that we should be working more on WP7 than gingerbread and its almost non-existent updates.
You can all go ahead and flame me now
Who's this? Steve ballmer?
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
Yes, I'd be speaking ill of 6.5 if I was that incompetent republican. I'm not even sure that antique knows what a cellphone is. He probably bought his current one second-hand from Zack on Saved by the Bell.
Android didn't get as much love on the release because it was took up by people that know something. WM7 was taken up with love by people that know no better, unless hacked proper, wm7 will not remain on the hd2 and droid itself is a better system all-round. WM7 is better than WM6.5 yes agreed, but it isn't looking better than droid and probably never will.
Do learn a little bit more before you go ahead and big up an os with gaming capabilities of a comodore 64...wm7 is the touchy feely os for kids and people who know little about smart-phones or are scared by them.
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WM7 is better than WM6.5 yes agreed
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How in the hell could it be better, if it's completly different? It's like if you'd say that green is better than skateboard - makes no sense at all.
The core WP7 might be better than WM6.5.
WP7 was built with only touchscreen phones in mind, whereas WM6.5 can work on touchscreen phones, non-touchscreen phones, PDAs and loads of industrial units. And WP7 isn't designed for many phones, but basically due to the specification laid out by MS, one phone (ie the Windows iPhone).
After all WP7 doesn't have to deal with legacy issues that the more generalised WM6.5 has to.
If MS had just stuck to the core and put on their front, but allowed the manufacturers to put their own front end on (and thus the XDA Developers to really develop the system) then maybe I would be more inclined to move to WP7.
As for the specification, why go down the fixed internal memory? HTC tried it with my HTC Diamond (4GB) only to see an 8GB microSD card come out not long after. Thus the Diamond 2 went back to the microSD card.
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How in the hell could it be better, if it's completly different? It's like if you'd say that green is better than skateboard - makes no sense at all.
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It's from the same OS's branch, (your comparison is wrong) you may say a Modern house is better than a shack, However they're made in a completely different way and structure .
Microsoft's OS will remain Microsoft's. wether they called it Windows Mobile 7 or Windows Phone 7
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lol. that's well put my friend.
IMHO, the entire HD2 comunity will switch to Android,sooner than later,including myself,my son already did,he havent used WM since over a moth now.
The reason is obvious every each one of us had the chance to compare the two OSs side by side,even someone sceptical as myself keeps on visiting to my Android neighbour living on my SD card.well should confess that its already starting to grow on me.
I wish we had the chance to test the WP7 side by side with the Android as well on our HD2,but seems to me that MS may be is not confident enough that His new OS will hold itself against Android,or may be the mnufacturers want to sell more phones.in either case I want to say this:
Our HD2s will wear out in few months,we will need to get new phones,the overwhelming portion of the users will no doubt switch to Android,it is in the interest of MS to port the WP7 full experience not just to the HD2 but to every single phone out there,to IOS devices,Android devices,people must have the chance to see what it is all about.
Looks like the WP7 devices sales are dissmal so far,if it turns out to be a fail,the Manufacturers will be the first to abandon the ship.
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How in the hell could it be better, if it's completly different? It's like if you'd say that green is better than skateboard - makes no sense at all.
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Its like me saying im better sober than drunk.
Its better in my opinion due to its difference so it can be better, its from the same OS maker so how cant it be....that means you cant say one football team is doing better than the other cause they are different....wise up.
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Our HD2s will wear out in few months,we will need to get new phones
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No way man, I think your underestimating the longevity of the HD2, by all accounts it should have died out already, it was saved by droid porting, it wasn't going to have survived with WM6.5, but look it has survived and is still standing up to phones like the EVO and thats something.
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Android didn't get as much love on the release because it was took up by people that know something. WM7 was taken up with love by people that know no better, unless hacked proper, wm7 will not remain on the hd2 and droid itself is a better system all-round. WM7 is better than WM6.5 yes agreed, but it isn't looking better than droid and probably never will.
Do learn a little bit more before you go ahead and big up an os with gaming capabilities of a comodore 64...wm7 is the touchy feely os for kids and people who know little about smart-phones or are scared by them.
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I've got both a nexus one and an HD2 running android and for those of us who are big in the gaming aspects of android sure it's awesome but hell, if that was my core interest I'd sell out and buy an iphone. Call me greedy but I want something functional that also looks clean and iphones jumbled mess certainly never pulled that off, same goes for android, I don't care how many widgets you have on there or anything. I keep a plain black screen with minimal dock options in launcher pro and it is still just unattractive. I'm all for functionality over form but until wp7 it's as though no one ever even bothered trying to make a phone look nice. Windows mobile is still the most functional OS to date if you really know what you're doing but honestly, who wants to play on a system whos best games look like they were released for the sega saturn? Android has all the gaming in the world but is not very pretty regardless of what launcher you use. iOS is just trash, no reason needed. but WP7 may be the first phone that in time has a pretty UI and a great app community and that is what I want in a phone.
We need to understand that we represent a small number of cell phone users. Most are happy with what they get from the manufacturer. A small number of us love hacking our phones and making them do things they weren't meant to do. That being said, comparing OS's is useless. Everyone has different needs and wants. I, for example, don't care anything about gaming on a phone. So Android has no appeal to me (and yes I have owned an Android phone). Each OS appeals to folks with different needs. We are all entitled to our opinion as to what OS we like to use. I am one of those folks still impressed with the HD2. When it is tiime for me to upgrade (and I don't see a need for that anytime soon) it won't be Android. I'll be looking seriously at the Win7 phones or will be returning to Blackberry.
agree with Illusive Man.
I'm using WinMo 6.5 over years now, but I also used iOS and Android due to my work.
iOS is perfect for noob Users. Really, everything you need to know is how to register to the AppStore.
But don't want something special from your phone like to store youre files on a special place...
Android is perfect for Gaming and perfect for all "Open Source is better than Microsoft" users don't forget google won't save your data, and the earth is a disc
WinMo 6.5 is perfect for Business Users espacially when the Business Infrastructure itself is based upon Microsoft/Office/Exchange. Also for industrial Use.
WP7
Microsofts answer to iOS/iPhone. It's simple. When I don't have to take care about that someone put/change Files in my System and don't have to care about supporting so many different phones, than it's easier to bring up a smooth and stable OS
So we see, each OS has it's right to live all over this world, they're different and each user should choose for his own preferences....
PEACE
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How in the hell could it be better, if it's completly different? It's like if you'd say that green is better than skateboard - makes no sense at all.
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I totally agree man, I tried skateboard and it was not for me - but I got into green in late '08 and there is no turning back!
When my co. took away windows phone and went all BB, I did not like bb's and while they improved it was never remotely close enough. Got HD2 when it came out, showed the co. all the productive things I can do with it, still no go - in fact they said "you can have iPhone or BB, pick one now." I took iPhone since at least that helps our bb-centric IT guys get used to pop3 mail handling. But for some odd reason I can't stand iPhone and just love WP7. Maybe it's the difference between built-in Office 2010 mobile w/sync-to-cloud and sync-to-sharepoint, vs... what, angry birds?
You can all go ahead and flame me now
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WP7 Sucks and so do you.
Go buy an iphone.
All in all it comes down to what you want to use it for. When I want to play games with a pocket sized device, I whip out my PSP. When I have to edit a spreadsheet or word document while I just happen to be at my kid's Tae Kwon Do practice it's nice to be able to do that on a pocket sized device rather than lug around a lap top and hope you can find Wifi service.
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WP7 Sucks and so do you.
Go buy an iphone.
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Just about every time Microsoft updates to a new and improved OS, it mucks with the end users ability to change some things.
I guess with Andriod, it will never change in that respect.
I would like to see the capabilities of WM7 but I fear the phones comming out with it are left a bit short even by WM 6.5 standards.
I dont see anything wrong with WM 6.5 as long as I don't bloat it down with alot of shortcuts and what not.
I am not saying the apps and tools here don't cut it... just I would think some body would program each hard key to do funtions like toggle and page flip on shortcuts.
They are there and you dont need to make some new fangled gui or shell.
No I am not a programmer, but it seems so obvious that this is the only touch phone with 5 hard keys. To me that would be pretty damn awsome yet they are so rarely used for anything but short cuts to options that are already available as a sof tbutton or short cut.
Here is my 2 cents.
I was an avid Symbian S60 fan for a good 5 or 6 years, enjoyed playing with it and tweaking here and there, hell, I had it set up as a wifi hotspot long before the mainstream caught wind.
I then went to WinMo 6.1 on my X1, a nice shiny 'new' toy with more bells and whistles than I could ever dream of, I loved it. Unfortunately it seemed O2 and Sony conspired against me, and decided I couldn't have an X1 as a warranty replacement when mine broke. I managed to talk them into giving me a HD2 instead.
There it was, 4.3" of tweakable goodyness. I loved it, and still do, but I've just got bored, or no longer bothered with fiddling. Maybe its my change of career (from IT guy to developer) but I've just lost interest in what my latest gadget can do.
My girlfriend has got hold of a HTC 7 Trophy, and after playing with it for a weekend, I'm pretty impressed. I was one of the first to scream "OMG WTF is that UI all about?", but once in my hand, it is very smooth and intuitive.
Granted, it has it's faults, like no bluetooth contact transfer (you have to put your phonebook in the cloud (LiveMail or Facebook), but overall, its not bad for a locked in system, much to my disbelief.
Its not got features that I need (like the wifi hotspot) and bluetooth file transfers, which are ultimately putting me off for now, but I can see where it's going.
Android I don't think is for me, I've played with 1.6 and 2.2 (froyo) but I just can't get into the loads of homescreens, it just feels cluttered (Yes, I am aware of the one long start menu in WinPho7)
guyz... we should change our thinking style... HD2 has not only the hardware capability of running WM6.5 but also Android builds, iOS, WP7 OS and MeeGO... sooo we must respect this device... till now android is the most usable nd userfriendly OS,now some peoples might like WP7 OS,after this when gingerbread will run fully then we will run it...
after that we will use HONEYCOMB...
i used HD2 in WM6.5 then i loved it...
now running android builds(2builds on 2SD cards) my love is getting deeper and deeper
will love it more and more day by day in future
At the end i wanna say HD2 is a great(1of the best) device we got so far ..
in the near future it will be replaced by multicore 3D screened devices
until then long LIVE HD2 ...
after selling my iphone, i've had this hd2 for 3 months. i customized it as much as possible. i thought i was getting the best phone in the world - i was dead wrong. the hd2 falls WAY short of my expectations. for one, the battery is horrible - lasts 1 day with some use. on the iphone, my batt lasted 2 days with lots of use.
another issue was scrolling, like scrolling through tons of albums. the albums would have to refresh as you scrolled - very slow. on the iphone, the ablums appeared as fast as you scroll. and the menu and typing was not as responsive as the iphone.
but what clinched it for me was the lack of important apps. for some unknown reason, theres no nyc subway map for the hd2 - thats unbelievable!! why is that?? on the iphone, theres literally DOZENS of them.
i know i'm comparing the hd2 to the iphone. but when youre justified in trashing a product, you got no choice but to compare it to something else.
i was thinking about installing android on it.. but android has a windows '95 look to it. the icons look so old and doesnt look as modern as other phone o/ses.
anyway, i'm highly disappointed in the hd2. the only good thing about it is the screen size, thats all. i'm finally selling it - good riddance.
my phone of choice now is the iphone 4... cant wait to get it and feel free again!!!
koolxx said:
after selling my iphone, i've had this hd2 for 3 months. i customized it as much as possible. i thought i was getting the best phone in the world - i was dead wrong. the hd2 falls WAY short of my expectations. for one, the battery is horrible - lasts 1 day with some use. on the iphone, my batt lasted 2 days with lots of use.
another issue was scrolling, like scrolling through tons of albums. the albums would have to refresh as you scrolled - very slow. on the iphone, the ablums appeared as fast as you scroll. and the menu and typing was not as responsive as the iphone.
but what clinched it for me was the lack of important apps. for some unknown reason, theres no nyc subway map for the hd2 - thats unbelievable!! why is that?? on the iphone, theres literally DOZENS of them.
i know i'm comparing the hd2 to the iphone. but when youre justified in trashing a product, you got no choice but to compare it to something else.
i was thinking about installing android on it.. but android has a windows '95 look to it. the icons look so old and doesnt look as modern as other phone o/ses.
anyway, i'm highly disappointed in the hd2. the only good thing about it is the screen size, thats all.
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Your frustrations are the result of your ignorance, not the phone.
Obviously you are unware that Android has literally hundreds of themes that change the way the icons look. You can also add/change widgets and pretty much anything about your UI. You can also tweak settings to get better battery life. You have no clue how to operate Android, I'd suggest you learn before dismissing it.
As far as WM6.5 is concerned, it is an outdated OS with a lack of apps. It has some awesome features, but apps is not one of them. Android will have MORE apps all around than iOS in about 2 months at the current rate and already has more free apps.
You also dismiss WP7, which has growing development and will give you that modern UI you are looking for, if you think Android's icons are anachronistic you should abhor iOS icons, check out Metro UI, you'll love it.
If you are too lazy to learn how to fully utilize this amazing machine, then I suggest you sell your HD2 and go get an iPhone.
koolxx said:
i know i'm comparing the hd2 to the iphone. but when youre justified in trashing a product, you got no choice but to compare it to something else.
i was thinking about installing android on it.. but android has a windows '95 look to it. the icons look so old and doesnt look as modern as other phone o/ses.
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I know they say not to feed the trolls but... Ha.. HAHA.. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
That made my DAY...
orangekid said:
Your frustrations are the result of your ignorance, not the phone.
Obviously you are unware that Android has literally hundreds of themes that change the way the icons look. You can also add/change widgets and pretty much anything about your UI. You can also tweak settings to get better battery life. You have no clue how to operate Android, I'd suggest you learn before dismissing it.
As far as WM6.5 is concerned, it is an outdated OS with a lack of apps. It has some awesome features, but apps is not one of them. Android will have MORE apps all around than iOS in about 2 months at the current rate and already has more free apps.
You also dismiss WP7, which has growing development and will give you that modern UI you are looking for, if you think Android's icons are anachronistic you should abhor iOS icons, check out Metro UI, you'll love it.
If you are too lazy to learn how to fully utilize this amazing machine, then I suggest you sell your HD2 and go get an iPhone.
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calling someone a name here is a violation of forum rules. dont do it again. its so easy to mock someone over the net. but you wouldnt dare say that to my face... and you know it.
karendar said:
I know they say not to feed the trolls but... Ha.. HAHA.. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
That made my DAY...
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the only troll here is you, for inciting such activity. and your immature behavior proves it.
alright, i'm going to give my hd2 one more chance.. i'll install android.. but on 2 conditions:
1) that i install an android o/s that has excellent batt life and thats fast.
2) that i install a skin for it that looks like stock 6.5.
if any SERIOUS (note the quotes) members here want to recommend any versions based on these conditions, i will install it.
koolxx said:
after selling my iphone, i've had this hd2 for 3 months. i customized it as much as possible. i thought i was getting the best phone in the world - i was dead wrong. the hd2 falls WAY short of my expectations. for one, the battery is horrible - lasts 1 day with some use. on the iphone, my batt lasted 2 days with lots of use.
another issue was scrolling, like scrolling through tons of albums. the albums would have to refresh as you scrolled - very slow. on the iphone, the ablums appeared as fast as you scroll. and the menu and typing was not as responsive as the iphone.
but what clinched it for me was the lack of important apps. for some unknown reason, theres no nyc subway map for the hd2 - thats unbelievable!! why is that?? on the iphone, theres literally DOZENS of them.
i know i'm comparing the hd2 to the iphone. but when youre justified in trashing a product, you got no choice but to compare it to something else.
i was thinking about installing android on it.. but android has a windows '95 look to it. the icons look so old and doesnt look as modern as other phone o/ses.
anyway, i'm highly disappointed in the hd2. the only good thing about it is the screen size, thats all. i'm finally selling it - good riddance.
my phone of choice now is the iphone 4... cant wait to get it and feel free again!!!
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Just for grins, I looked up subway software for WM, found this in a few seconds:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-tag-subway.html
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-visitor-guide-subway-new-york-weekend-2-06a.html
And those are freeware. I'm not sure you looked in the right places.
EDIT: There were also some WP7 titles, but I was looking at WM.
As to scrolling through titles, yes the Iphone will be better there, it is a consumer phone not a pocket PC.
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calling someone a name here is a violation of forum rules. dont do it again. its so easy to mock someone over the net. but you wouldnt dare say that to my face... and you know it.
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To be quite honest, he did not even call you a name . He said you were ignorant. Thats a verb not a noun. Either way, I agree with him wholeheartedly.
This phone is not like any other (not any I know of in this exact replica), it comes with Windows Mobile, but yet you can put almost anything you want on it OTHER than Windows Mobile. Know ANY phone that can do that? No Android phone will run Windows Mobile (not that I think anyone would want to - just saying).
Not to re-state what orange had stated but, you can try Android for FREE. You can try Ubuntu ON YOUR PHONE, for FREE. You can TRY Windows Phone 7, for FREE. Dont have to 'upgrade' (pay 100's) just to TRY the NEW Windows OS...makes sense to me .
Can you do that with the iPhone? No, impossible. You can get a jailbreak that will do what exactly? Get you some apps and wallpapers that you cant do/get normally. How fun.
Not putting down the iphone at all, just stating the FACTS.
Someone once said, ohhh android has all junk apps. For 1, you have to look. For 2, more are free than paid. For 3, iOs you have to pay for what, 75% of what you want to use? Android you can purchase plenty too, and get great apps, but some really nice ones for free where on ios you have to pay...nice
Please do try Android before you dismiss the wonderful phone. Windows Mobile I will agree, was absolutely junk on this phone, I honestly changed (back in the android-sd days where we were booting android from WINDOWS on our SD card. - how awesome) as soon as I could. Never went back. Now, its an Android phone, TRY IT OUT.
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As for the best android? Well, TBH, its different for everyone. Its a WHOLE NEW GAME. Just look at the android section under the HD2 here. Its LOADED with various ROMS, which is WHY ITS AWESOME! You have so many options its crazy. Windows Mobile, you had almost none (various themes, about it). You can almost never brick this phone. READ READ READ ALL the Noob guides, they will point you in the right direction. Flashing an updated radio, bootloader, then rom. Once you figure it out, anytime you want to 'try' something new, it takes all of 10 min., 5 to download the ROM, 5 min for it to install. Thats it.
My bad for long post. Just trying to push ya back over the fence. Its not a bad phone by any means, its a piece of [excellent] hardware (very good for multitasking). Try some new software.
Your right the hd2 is crap. I have a iPhone 3g 8gb in great condition. Jail broken with old fully flashable firmware. Trade ya for your hd2.
“We are legion,”
theslam08 said:
To be quite honest, he did not even call you a name . He said you were ignorant. Thats a verb not a noun. Either way, I agree with him wholeheartedly.
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I think thats the end of that argument because I doubt he can come back from facts.
I have no idea how a iphone kid can come here and bash the HD2. Then again I actually wont go into any of that since you guys already nailed it right on the head.
Love this phone and even though I am still on winmo I am still in love with it.....down the road I'll go droid HD2.
koolxx said:
calling someone a name here is a violation of forum rules. dont do it again. its so easy to mock someone over the net. but you wouldnt dare say that to my face... and you know it.
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Your a TIT!
Please PM me and ill give you my home address, You can come round and I'll say worse directly to your face
If you haven't got the intelligence to realise you are ignorant and are missing out on an amazing device I pitty you very much.
It's not the phone's fault. It's yours for trading your blessed iPhone for that sucky HD2. I mean really? You traded a holy iPhone for some piece for garbage? Man, that's the stupidest thing I've ever read.
I mean like dude, don't you know the iPhone is the absolutely best phone you can get? Whatever the version may be. I mean the 1st gen iPhone blows the galaxy s 2 any day.
Anyways enough with my trolling. xD
It is your fault really, you should recognize your needs and desires first. Judging from your personality, attitude, experiences and desires, the iPhone is obviously your device. You don't want to customize, you don't want to hack, so obviously you want a device just to use. So in other words, why the hell did you get a device that wasn't meant for you? Next time, think about what you want before you get it.
From what I've read it's an excellent phone if you're willing to go through the motions and change it. I'm not sure what you have done with it but I'm sure if you had the time you could change it to how you want it.
However, the beauty of the iPhone ( and it's biggest problem) is that it's so controlled that you can have a perfectly consistent experience and it takes little effort (though I would argue the same with WP7, though it has fewer apps).
However if you really do not want it I'm curious as to what kind of HD2 you have and how much you are willing to sell it for.
WOW!!! you are going to sell out ur hd2!!! ... i cant believe it ..i have made up my mind to never sell it (it will like go into the world phone museum cuz this is the device is the starting point of all these new ones) this is the best phone i have ever used cuz it is higly customizable (except for on winmo) ..i am currently on android (NAND) as far as u r searching for a nice rom i would suggest hyperdroid cm7 ...its a pitty that u want to sell ur hd2!!
EDIT:: n what u saying huge battery drain... i just loose 5% in 7 hours of standby and my phone lasts full 1.5 days with heavy usage
Also, if you have problems with the battery life you can get a larger battery ( they do exist and you can get them for reasonable prices on eBay and the like), so you do have options available.
I would suggest to save you the potential of regret to at least try other options like Android ( on which there are a number of excellent launchers that can suit your needs well) and WP7 ( which I personally think has an exquisite UI) on your phone.
siddharth singh said:
WOW!!! you are going to sell out ur hd2!!! ... i cant believe it ..i have made up my mind to never sell it (it will like go into the world phone museum cuz this is the device is the starting point of all these new ones) this is the best phone i have ever used cuz it is higly customizable (except for on winmo) ..i am currently on android (NAND) as far as u r searching for a nice rom i would suggest hyperdroid cm7 ...its a pitty that u want to sell ur hd2!!
EDIT:: n what u saying huge battery drain... i just loose 5% in 7 hours of standby and my phone lasts full 1.5 days with heavy usage
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Hey...can you please tell me...what ROM you have on your HD2 ? Android NAND ?
stevedebi said:
Just for grins, I looked up subway software for WM, found this in a few seconds:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-tag-subway.html
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-visitor-guide-subway-new-york-weekend-2-06a.html
And those are freeware. I'm not sure you looked in the right places.
EDIT: There were also some WP7 titles, but I was looking at WM.
As to scrolling through titles, yes the Iphone will be better there, it is a consumer phone not a pocket PC.
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hi, stevedebi. thanks for replying. i checked out the apps a while ago. theyre old as hell. but i was checking out some android apps. heres one i checked out:
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-episode6-android-nycsubwaymap-wE.aspx
it looks modern. i'll be installing android just for the hell of it and download some apps and judge for myself. so lets see.
theslam08 said:
To be quite honest, he did not even call you a name . He said you were ignorant. Thats a verb not a noun. Either way, I agree with him wholeheartedly.
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'ignorant' is a verb??? looks like someone here needs english lessons..try learning english before correcting someone who was born in england. and why are you defending him?? you sound interested.
This phone is not like any other (not any I know of in this exact replica), it comes with Windows Mobile, but yet you can put almost anything you want on it OTHER than Windows Mobile. Know ANY phone that can do that? No Android phone will run Windows Mobile (not that I think anyone would want to - just saying).
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huh??
Someone once said, ohhh android has all junk apps. For 1, you have to look. For 2, more are free than paid. For 3, iOs you have to pay for what, 75% of what you want to use? Android you can purchase plenty too, and get great apps, but some really nice ones for free where on ios you have to pay...nice
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thats funny, when i had my iphone i never paid a penny for my apps... i got them off the net.
Please do try Android before you dismiss the wonderful phone. Windows Mobile I will agree, was absolutely junk on this phone.
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wait a minute... if you agree with me about the windows mobile o/s, then why are you bashing me? i dont get it, but to each their own.
My bad for long post. Just trying to push ya back over the fence. Its not a bad phone by any means, its a piece of [excellent] hardware (very good for multitasking). Try some new software.
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and thats why i've requested advice on android builds before i sell off my hd2.
tageeboy said:
Your right the hd2 is crap. I have a iPhone 3g 8gb in great condition. Jail broken with old fully flashable firmware. Trade ya for your hd2.
“We are legion,”
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come on, grow up.
grifter024 said:
I think thats the end of that argument because I doubt he can come back from facts.
I have no idea how a iphone kid can come here and bash the HD2. Then again I actually wont go into any of that since you guys already nailed it right on the head.
Love this phone and even though I am still on winmo I am still in love with it.....down the road I'll go droid HD2.
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i think grifter has a new fan (or possibly more than that.. ha ha), but again, to each their own.
i have no idea how an hd2 nerd can come here and bash the number one phone in the world. but then again, i wont go into that since you guys agree that windows mobile is crap.. but he stilll thinks it isnt for some fanboy reason. gotta feel sorry for the runt.
i love the iphone.. its fast and smooth.. i'll install droid tomorrow and judge it for myself.
Dear All,
As much as I like X1, there is a great successor coming to it, but is running Android OS. Which is not to my liking and I think I might find some of you who would agree that despite WinMo is a bit old, it is the excellent combination of business solution together with entertainment.
Therefore, I don't want to have debates on who likes what, I want to initiate the petition to write SonyEricsson to have this phone released in two versions, running Android and Windows Mobile 6.5(.1 or .3).
I know, it is a long shot, which will probably miss, but still - we won't lose anything and, who knows, maybe lady luck will smile upon us WinMo lovers?
Kind regards to all the community!
Why wouldn't you want winmo7?
"If Satan lived in heaven he'd be me... "
freakboy13 said:
Why wouldn't you want winmo7?
"If Satan lived in heaven he'd be me... "
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Simple enough - Phone 7 is retarded and is very similar to android in menu structure. The multi-touch screen you get is not worth the primitive interface.
it doesn't matter if android runs of sd card and i have the possibility to make the android partition larger than 512mb(fat32 ver)
bring it on android and wm in case of backup id android fails
Raux said:
Dear All,
As much as I like X1, there is a great successor coming to it, but is running Android OS. Which is not to my liking and I think I might find some of you who would agree that despite WinMo is a bit old, it is the excellent combination of business solution together with entertainment.
Therefore, I don't want to have debates on who likes what, I want to initiate the petition to write SonyEricsson to have this phone released in two versions, running Android and Windows Mobile 6.5(.1 or .3).
I know, it is a long shot, which will probably miss, but still - we won't lose anything and, who knows, maybe lady luck will smile upon us WinMo lovers?
Kind regards to all the community!
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Haha what? SE will not release it with WM 6.5 period it's not even worth making a petition because your only going to get laughed at by SE. You think SE is going to put a dead OS on a brand new phone and expect to make money from it . I agree WP7 is retarded and the interface is primitive but by no means does WP7 and Android have similar menu structures???
Viper89 said:
Haha what? SE will not release it with WM 6.5 period it's not even worth making a petition because your only going to get laughed at by SE. You think SE is going to put a dead OS on a brand new phone and expect to make money from it . I agree WP7 is retarded and the interface is primitive but by no means does WP7 and Android have similar menu structures???
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Please allow me to disagree on that. Yes, of course, the fundamental difference in menus is present - after all - they are completely different systems. yet, if you check the way you access menus, go into settings, compose sms/e-mail, you would notice, that it is similar. I was testing Froyo though, I didn't see 2.3 yet. And on top of that - it is primitive.
Besides, even if it is laughable to try, you won't get anything, unless you try.
It is lame to think forth of the opinion of others.
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Please allow me to disagree on that. Yes, of course, the fundamental difference in menus is present - after all - they are completely different systems. yet, if you check the way you access menus, go into settings, compose sms/e-mail, you would notice, that it is similar. I was testing Froyo though, I didn't see 2.3 yet. And on top of that - it is primitive.
Besides, even if it is laughable to try, you won't get anything, unless you try.
It is lame to think forth of the opinion of others.
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You keep saying Primitive? Primitive to what WM 6.5.x lol, Like in WM there is mods and hacks to change things, for example SPB 3D(Which I'm going to install shortly) changes alot in Android menu's etc.. . The point I'm trying to make is SE will not make money or any type of gains in putting 6.5.x in the Xperia Pro, not to mention the hassle of making the WM OS optimized for the Xperia Pro. Do you really think SE is going to go out there way to do this because 1 person is asking about this lol cmon bro lets be serious. Sure maybe if you got 10 million WM users to sign that petition and promise on their life that they would buy a Xperia Pro with WM 6.5 then just maybe SE might to do it. It's not the fact it's not worth trying it's the fact that this is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. I would be surprised if SE even responded to your email about this.
In addition, microsoft itself just killed windows mobile by pulling support for WM web Marketplace and Microsoft My Phone
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In addition, microsoft itself just killed windows mobile by pulling support for WM web Marketplace and Microsoft My Phone
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Ah, that's what I didn't know actually. Makes sense then.
Viper89 - look, it is not that I am saying it is not good, by primitive I mean that it is illogical. Consider, why in order to turn-on Wi-Fi I have to go in settings? That is my opinion only. SPB - is a great addon, no doubt. And, maybe, the reason I like 6.5 more is because it is so customizable. You can take a rasp and make a masterpiece out of brick
Why not to try anyway? As I've mentioned, we are not loosing anything by trying
Anyway then, I guess it will be up to you guys here, to decrypt that stupid android and hard-spl the phone
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Ah, that's what I didn't know actually. Makes sense then.
Viper89 - look, it is not that I am saying it is not good, by primitive I mean that it is illogical. Consider, why in order to turn-on Wi-Fi I have to go in settings? That is my opinion only. SPB - is a great addon, no doubt. And, maybe, the reason I like 6.5 more is because it is so customizable. You can take a rasp and make a masterpiece out of brick
Why not to try anyway? As I've mentioned, we are not loosing anything by trying
Anyway then, I guess it will be up to you guys here, to decrypt that stupid android and hard-spl the phone
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Hehe well you could always just put a wifi widget on your homescreen . The same reasons why you use 6.5.x is same reasons why I'm still using it today, I actually use 6.5.x more than I use Android . I probably won't get really involved with Android into a buy a Nvidia dual core phone a couple of months from now until then my 1 year 8 months old X1i will suit me just fine .
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Hehe well you could always just put a wifi widget on your homescreen . The same reasons why you use 6.5.x is same reasons why I'm still using it today, I actually use 6.5.x more than I use Android . I probably won't get really involved with Android into a buy a Nvidia dual core phone a couple of months from now until then my 1 year 8 months old X1i will suit me just fine .
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My X1 died on me because of me Was a really great phone. Now getting some cash together to get one more again or, maybe, X2.
I'd love to see this happen but I'm to much a realist to really believe in it (voted yes nonetheless).
I also agree on WP7 beeing retarded. In fact I really hope it will be a complete failure for MS. I don't want to see MS abandoning the smartphone market but WP7 is just a huge disgrace. It does nothing, is completely locked down and it is ugly (ok this one does not count, just my personal taste).
I hate Apple and their business policy, always have. But when it comes to WP7 I would rather buy an Iphone. This way I would at least get the original instead of the bad copy.