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will athena work on u.s. t mobile 3g network?

anybody in new york or been to new york with your athena to see if it works with the new upcomming t mobile 3g network? they say its running on 1700 freq.

anybody have luck or an answer for this one?

cuba3377 said:
anybody in new york or been to new york with your athena to see if it works with the new upcomming t mobile 3g network? they say its running on 1700 freq.
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that would be a no then, 2100Mhz is what the athena is capable of AFAIK

I have used the Athena on both T-Mobile and AT&T Networks in the US without issues.

I also have had no problems with T-mo in my area (central NJ) using 3g. I'm using an x7501...TJ

TrekkerJmm said:
I also have had no problems with T-mo in my area (central NJ) using 3g. I'm using an x7501...TJ
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that seems odd, Current roms do not have the T-Mobile US band included, nor is the current radio capable of running the t-mobile 1700 band in the USA. ATT band is 3g/UTMS 850/1900 and Europe is 3g/UTMS 800/2100
T-Mobile Edge would work fine though

Hi, sometimes the 3g pop's up on my x7501 its not all the time but next time it does I will take a screen shot of it. Maybe its an error I have no idea...TJ

some roms incorrectly show that instead of edge !

Ok thanks...TJ

So is it possible to get T-mo 3g on athena?
T-mo finally rooled out 3g in my area, I thought my athena was 3g capable and could fly through the internet and never deal with slate Flinstone tablets and EDGE again! Sadly we do?
Their 3g is rolled out on 1700/2100 band only, so to exit the EDGE stone age, we must buy the G1 (not even close to x7501) or ask a crazy question to those in the know. Is the frequency band offered on a phone limited and fixed by the ROM / hardware, or is it software driven where a patch / upgrade could expand it's operantional band to include 1700/2100 UMTS alongside the voice 850/1900 band?

I can connect easily to TMobile. I get the "E" sign showing on the antennae.

anx7501 said:
T-mo finally rooled out 3g in my area, I thought my athena was 3g capable and could fly through the internet and never deal with slate Flinstone tablets and EDGE again! Sadly we do?
Their 3g is rolled out on 1700/2100 band only, so to exit the EDGE stone age, we must buy the G1 (not even close to x7501) or ask a crazy question to those in the know. Is the frequency band offered on a phone limited and fixed by the ROM / hardware, or is it software driven where a patch / upgrade could expand it's operantional band to include 1700/2100 UMTS alongside the voice 850/1900 band?
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It is hardware driven. Unfortunately this is why I'm going to switch over to AT & T because of the downgrade to get 3g service from a phone that NO OTHER Networks in the world uses is pointless IMHO. I don't know what T Mo was drinking or smoking, and when I asked the level 1 techs they said no future talks or expectations of using the NORMAL 1900/2100 Frequency like other 3g networks. Sux if you ask me.

Thanks for the note on hardware capability
I got similar responses from the techs at T-mo except I also got a moment of false hope when one incorrectly told me that their 3g is on 1900, I went nuts trying, then called back & someone else told me that it was in fact on 1700/2100. As I've been reading, their reason (though a huge pain in the ass for us) was to separate voice and data so one wouldn't steal bandwith from the other. Makes sense, though it would be easier to deal with if I had some REAL options other than G1 and crappy kids phones.
Since T-Mo has the best price for some pretty decent service (except EDGE that is), I've heard of some T-Mo users getting just an AT&T data plan alongside T-Mo voice, I'm not sure how it's done, do you need 1/2 simms, or what. If you find yourself doing this, I would like to hear your feedback.
Otherwise, I'll keep my fingers crossed that HTC will use some common sense, and use 1700/2100 in future US versions.

Is Dynamism.com information missleading?

Hi guys,
I am looking for a replacement for my HTC Athena (bought from Dynamism.com).
Being in USA on AT&T's 3G network, I did not consider the HTC Touch HD because of absence of USA 3G.
However, if you read Dynamism's HTC Touch HD page:
http://www.dynamism.com/#Product=touchhd
And their Tech Specks tab, it almost sounds like either they are getting a modified version of Blackstone, or they are misleading on purpose.
Again, I bought from Dynamism before and consider them a trusted retailer.
I will email their sales dept. for clarification.
But what do you guys think - could they have a modified Blackstone?!
Thanks!

main page is misleading and can lead one to conclude that high-speed internet access is available, but the reality is it's not available... your initial assumption is correct, there is no US 3G band on the phone. the tech spec page says GSM/GPRS/EDGE, which is correct.

I thought T-Mobile was rolling out a 3G HSDPA/WCDMA network that worked at 2100 MHz?

my understanding is that you'd need both the 1700 mHz and the 2100 mHz bands in order for high-speed access on T-Mo. one band is for downloads and the other is for uploads. if there's an HD out there that will work on US 3G bands, we would have heard by now, lol. at the moment it's EDGE speeds which meets my basic/simple internet access needs (e.g., Exchange Push, light web browsing, traffic with Garmin or TomTom).

cortez.i said:
my understanding is that you'd need both the 1700 mHz and the 2100 mHz bands in order for high-speed access on T-Mo. one band is for downloads and the other is for uploads. if there's an HD out there that will work on US 3G bands, we would have heard by now, lol. at the moment it's EDGE speeds which meets my basic/simple internet access needs (e.g., Exchange Push, light web browsing, traffic with Garmin or TomTom).
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OK, that makes sense. And I agree..."if there's an HD out there that will work on US 3G bands, we would have heard by now".

Reply from Dynamism.com is even more confusing...
Here is a reply from [email protected]:
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Hi,
Thank you for contacting us.
The Touch HD we are shipping is not fully US 3G compatible, sorry. It should work if you are in a large city but we do not guarantee it as it does not support the 850 MHz UMTS band. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Best regards
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I would really appreciate if somebody here would clarify this statement for me and others considering the Touch HD:
- Which bands and WHERE does AT&T use in USA for 3G? I mean, where 850MHz is used, where 1900MHz is used, or both? Are the band allocation maps available to public (not a generic 3G coverage map without the bands allocation)?
- Is that truth that Touch HD supports 1900MHz, but not 850MHz for 3G?
- Does it mean that Touch HD will work on 3G 1900MHz network where available ("a large city", per Dynamism)?
Thank you very much and Happy New Year everybody!

let me put i this way: the Touch HD IS NOT COMPATIBLE with US 3G Bands used by at&t, period. no 3G access, period. None. you will not get 3G speeds, period. you will only get EDGE speeds, period. no 3G, period. forgive my frustrating response, but this issue has been discussed at great length on this and other forums. if you need, rely on, must have 3G speeds in the USA don't get the Touch HD. if there was any truth to what dyna-whoever is saying, we in the US with the HD would have known it and discussed it at great length. when used as a phone, the Touch HD will utilize the 850 and 1900 cell phone bands.
again, i apologize for the tone of my response, but if you read, research on this forum, you'll conclude that the Touch HD does not have 3G speed access in the US. if that ever changes, believe me, you'll know. happy new year!

Topaz for US UMTS Band? - Might not happen (see post #11)

Is Topaz is available for sale for US UMTS bands? In all the online shops i see this phone only with UMTS 900 and 2100. I am planning to buy one but i dont see one with UMTS 850 and 1900.

I'm still waiting for 850mhz. It clearly isn't out yet.

3G for AT&T US?
Does anyone have any info on whether and if yes, when, the Topaz will be offered with the US 3G bands??

I'm Not sure which bands AT&T uses seeing I'm with T-mobile but here are the bands the phone has.
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
3G on T-mobile does not work but I don't mind because Edge is fast enough for me. I had faster loading times on Webpages yesterday than my freind with a touch pro on Sprint's 3G. So ya. I don't know anyone with AT&T or else I'd throw the SIM in and try it.

HTC Touch Freak said:
I'm Not sure which bands AT&T uses seeing I'm with T-mobile but here are the bands the phone has.
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
3G on T-mobile does not work but I don't mind because Edge is fast enough for me. I had faster loading times on Webpages yesterday than my freind with a touch pro on Sprint's 3G. So ya. I don't know anyone with AT&T or else I'd throw the SIM in and try it.
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If that is correct -----the UMTS 1900+850 part----- then those are the AT&T 3G frequencies. Where did you see those bands?

mush10 said:
If that is correct -----the UMTS 1900+850 part----- then those are the AT&T 3G frequencies. Where did you see those bands?
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If you go to Settings/All Settings/Personal/Phone/Click on the Band Tab it is under the Selet your GSM/UMTS band.
If I go to the mall today I will stop by the AT&T store and see if someone there is willing to insert their SIM in it to see if it gets 3G. If so I will post up.

HTC Touch Freak said:
If you go to Settings/All Settings/Personal/Phone/Click on the Band Tab it is under the Selet your GSM/UMTS band.
If I go to the mall today I will stop by the AT&T store and see if someone there is willing to insert their SIM in it to see if it gets 3G. If so I will post up.
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That is great!! If you can check and let us know that would be a great help!!
Is UMTS band availability is all software/firmware related.. i thought thats hardware.

having those band settings does not mean it will work on US 3G networks. for example, the UK Touch HD (from the UK) has the same band listings as above but the radio doesn't support at&t's 3G bands (850/1900). it will work for voice and EDGE internet speeds without issue. it's a hardare limitation. 3 months after releasing the UK HD, HTC released a Telstra (Australia) version of the Touch HD that had the same band listings (as above) that works with 850 3G bands. Since Telstra uses the same 850 3G band that at&t uses, the Telstra HD can access at&t's 3G network. i'm speaking from fact because i have both the UK and Telstra HD versions.
HTC is known for relasing the same device with radio limitations: they did it with the Diamond, Touch Pro, Touch HD and they're doing it for the Diamond 2. if you want US 3G access - via at&t - on the Diamond 2 you'll have to wait until HTC releases the US 3G version.

cortez.i said:
having those band settings does not mean it will work on US 3G networks. for example, the UK Touch HD (from the UK) has the same band listings as above but the radio doesn't support at&t's 3G bands (850/1900). it will work for voice and EDGE internet speeds without issue. it's a hardare limitation. 3 months after releasing the UK HD, HTC released a Telstra (Australia) version of the Touch HD that had the same band listings (as above) that works with 850 3G bands. Since Telstra uses the same 850 3G band that at&t uses, the Telstra HD can access at&t's 3G network. i'm speaking from fact because i have both the UK and Telstra HD versions.
HTC is known for relasing the same device with radio limitations: they did it with the Diamond, Touch Pro, Touch HD and they're doing it for the Diamond 2. if you want US 3G access - via at&t - on the Diamond 2 you'll have to wait until HTC releases the US 3G version.
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This clarifies. Thanks friend. Do you aware of any news on when HTC might release the D2 for US?

verified today.... does not work on at&t. the guys at the store said that it is 1900/900 band not 850. 850od the 2g frequency. havnt checked on how correct they are on this but a quick google search will verify the frequencies.

A reply from HTC
See the reply from them below. HTC did not mention about any carrier like ATT or T-Mobile asked for this phone.. looks like this phone will never make it to US? That is a Bad news......
From: Jonathan [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 12:54 AM
To: Natarajan, Sundaram
Subject: Re: HTC Diamond 2 <<#15569-73859#>>
Hello Sundaram,
Thank you for your inquiry about the Touch Diamond 2.
We appreciate your inquiry about one of our new phones. Unfortunately, we do not remake our phones to work on a specific network, such as the AT&T 1900 band width, unless that carrier request us to make them that exact phone. If you do buy the Touch Diamond 2, we cannot guarantee 3G service since AT&T 3G band is 1900 while the Touch Diamond 2's 3G band is 2100.
I hope we have answered your question in detail. Feel free to contact us again if you have any further questions.
Thanks for contacting HTC,
HTC Technical Support
http://www.htc.com
http://www.htcwiki.com
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From: "Natarajan, Sundaram"
Received: 5/5/09 11:17:17 PM EDT
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: HTC Diamond2
Dear Sir/Madam,
I own a HTC TyTn II and HTC Fuze (ATT) and now planning to upgrade my smart phone to HTC Diamond 2. I am really impressed with this phone and ready to purchase one. I live in USA and have a question about the 3G band availability of HTC Diamond 2. The phone is available in many online stores but they all have a specification like below.
Operating Frequency:
HSDPA/WCDMA: Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Does this mean that I cannot use this phone for ATT 3G networks in USA? Does HTC manufacture HTC Diamond 2 for US 3G band which I believe are 850/1900 MHz?
Is there any planned date of releasing HTC Diamond2 for ATT 3G networks? I appreciate your response.
Thanks

The Diamond 2 IS COMING TO THE US WITH 3G SUPPORT in a few months. Stop this nonsense please.

MAK11 said:
The Diamond 2 IS COMING TO THE US WITH 3G SUPPORT in a few months. Stop this nonsense please.
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What makes you to visit this topic and through a comment like this? I was not asking "you" this.
Besides, I am not working at ATT or HTC but trying to see if any other member of this forum has any news about this. If you dont like this topic just dont visit it and try to change your attitude. Otherwise you will become a great looser (i guess you already are).

MAK11 said:
The Diamond 2 IS COMING TO THE US WITH 3G SUPPORT in a few months. Stop this nonsense please.
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Clearly that is a pretty general statement that I believe most of us find to be true. That being said, do you have any more insight?

If it's coming to the US with 3G I would just assume that it would hit Sprint first so still no luck for AT&T. Didn't ATT just get the FUZE in like Dec? Anyways the phone most likely to hit US carriers is The Pro2. Americans generaly (IMO) like a full Hard qwerty keyboard.

This was floating around a few months ago
http://www.wmexperts.com/htcs-entire-2009-lineup-leaked
Shows the topaz going to AT&T. I'm not sure how valid it is though, but it's something to cling to

Even if it does come to AT&T, I hope we see the unlocked version well before. HTC used to be the one company we could count on to deliver US 3G on newer releases. Now we seem to be stuck playing the waiting game. The odd thing is they released the TYTN and such when the 3G network was barely rolled out, now that it at least covers all major cities, we cannot get any love.

I have been waiting a long time for this
Word is "HTC Topaz 210" (AT&T warhawk) will be released next month /(october) with the 850mHz UMTS "7201" chip (instead of the "7200" 900/2100 UMTS chip)
It will also be slightly smaller (1 mm less longer and wider)
I may drop around here if HTC beats the drum with this one
PS: sorry for resurrecting an ole thread, but we american users really miss good HTC 850mHz phones

I too am waiting for the US version of D2. gtrab, where did yo uget the info that US D2 will be slightly smaller. The latest info was from BG but I don't remember him mentioning any other spec except the obvious 850/1900 implementation.

HD2 and Nexus One on T-Mobile USA ???

Given the poor 3G coverage on T-Mobile in the US, why would two powerful phones such as the Nexus One and HD2 be relegated there? It is as if they are sabotoging themselves by being on T-Mob. (This paragraph was rhetorical).
My X1i is on it's last leg (screen blank in landscape and microphone not working) and I want to replace it. Currently, HD2 is the only thing that is appealing. I think I am going to hack one of the overseas models to work on 850MHz 3G on AT&T and forego waiting for the T-Mob model. Thanks XDA.
Hopefully, someone will make a step-by-step sticky on how to get the HD2 working on AT&T 3G USA.

1. Hard-SPL
2. Flash custom ROM
3. Insert SIM
That's what I did to get it working on Telus' 850mhz 3G. I remember the dude who made the huge thread about being the first in the US with a T9193 saying it was similarly easy.
If you just put your AT&T SIM in, you'll be able to send/receive texts, and make calls, but Telstra has the data connection settings locked down pretty heavily in the stock ROM...

OK, yeah, I was just looking through some of that thread. I thought it said something about changing or not changing radios. Is this already taken care of inside the custom ROMs ?

WhyBe said:
OK, yeah, I was just looking through some of that thread. I thought it said something about changing or not changing radios. Is this already taken care of inside the custom ROMs ?
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As far as I know you don't need to change the radio.
I didn't have to.

Great, thanks.
What type of price did you get? I see them from less than $700 to more than $900.

WhyBe said:
Given the poor 3G coverage on T-Mobile in the US, why would two powerful phones such as the Nexus One and HD2 be relegated there? It is as if they are sabotoging themselves by being on T-Mob. (This paragraph was rhetorical).
My X1i is on it's last leg (screen blank in landscape and microphone not working) and I want to replace it. Currently, HD2 is the only thing that is appealing. I think I am going to hack one of the overseas models to work on 850MHz 3G on AT&T and forego waiting for the T-Mob model. Thanks XDA.
Hopefully, someone will make a step-by-step sticky on how to get the HD2 working on AT&T 3G USA.
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if your device doesnot 850 mhz you will not be able to use 3g in usa it is hardware not software

hoss_n2 said:
if your device doesnot 850 mhz you will not be able to use 3g in usa it is hardware not software
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Thanks, however, that wasn't the question. It was already answered above.
Thanks all

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if your device doesnot 850 mhz you will not be able to use 3g in usa it is hardware not software
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Thanks, however, that wasn't the question. It was already answered above.
Thanks all
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You need to make sure that the HD2 you buy has HSPA/WCDMA 850 MHz (not just GSM 850 MHz), because most do not.

harolds said:
You need to make sure that the HD2 you buy has HSPA/WCDMA 850 MHz (not just GSM 850 MHz), because most do not.
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Yes, based on what I am reading, getting the Telstra model with 850MHz 3G band should be compatible with 850MHz 3G AT&T in the U.S.
The designated-"U.S." model is designed for T-Mobile 3G (1700MHz or 2100MHz)

WhyBe said:
(1700MHz AND 2100MHz)
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I fixed that for you -- phones won't work on T-Mobile 3G without BOTH 1700 and 2100.

Will this phone work for tmobile in the united states?

Will this phone work for tmobile in the united states? If so do I have to unlock it or do I have to do something for it to work?

Anybody???

The DHD will work in USA as it is quad band (850/900/1800/1900 MHz for GSM), and dual band HSPA (900/2100).
If you buy a unlocked phone, you just need to put a sim in it.
But... reading articles in the past, the HTC EVO is the US version of the DHD.

Will it work with 3g? And yea they are alike but im a tmobile costumer so I can't use the evo

Anybody???

no 3g support only edge

No it will not work on US 3G bands. T-Mobile uses 1700/2100, and AT&T uses 850/1900 (I think). I currently have one, and I'm in Florida. My 2G speeds range from 200 KBPS to 500 KBPS. That's fast enough for me. Plus I'm mostly on Wi-Fi. As far as it being like the Evo, it is very different in a good way. Better processor, better CPU, better GPU. More RAM. More ROM. Ability to use HTCsense.com. You name it, and the DHD beats the Evo. The only plus I see on the Evo side is a front facing camera, but seeing is I would never use it, I could care less.

Is the radio issue software or hardware?
I can imagine this being controlled by the radio image and not the antenna itself.
Anyone knows if I can get a radio image for it that will actually work in other networks for 3G?