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when i have a program running that pairs with my Bluetooth GPS mouse it is impossible to turn of the screen with the power button. It turns back on when new data arrives.
Is there a workaround for this, for example programming a button to shut down the screen in some other way ?
please help as i desperatedly need the screen off to have a longer lasting battery power.
thanks
well as far as I know... if u turn the power off ... the bluetooth radio will stop...
that's why the screen activates itself...
any way.. if u don't want ur battery to drain power.. u can hold the power button for 2-3 sec.. and the light will be off... thus u can have more battery power.. and u can use ur GPS mouse... for longer time
and whenever u want the light back... repeat the previous procedure
I hope I could Help
Cheers
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thanks for the info of course a good idea. However disabling the screen with the Widcomm Stack is possible. Why isnt that possible with the MS Stack ?
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because MS bluetooth stack suck... that's why :evil:
the guys at Microsoft, don't even bother improving their stack at all...
Hopefully... we may see a working widdcom stack on the jam...
so theres no workaround ? no coding that would allow ?
As far as I know...there is nothing like that....
the main problem lies with the MS Bluetooth stack....
It is impossible for the time being to enable bluetooth radio while the the screen is off....
anyway... I came up with this idea :idea: ... but I haven't tried it.. u may try...
use any third party program that turns the screen off... ( Like Audio recorder or Media Played 10 or anything like that... ) ...
first turn the bluetooth on... then turn the screen off using the program...
It might work.... I hope
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i did. I tried Mortsaver a really sophisticated Screen-OFF program. I asked for the feature in my desperate situation to be able to disable screen while BT on.
Resco audio recorder is also turned back on..
I guess .. u have to stick with the power button trick until we get a working Widdcom stack on the mini
cheers
what is the problem with widcomm and the mini ?
drpiety said:
when i have a program running that pairs with my Bluetooth GPS mouse it is impossible to turn of the screen with the power button. It turns back on when new data arrives.
Is there a workaround for this, for example programming a button to shut down the screen in some other way ?
please help as i desperatedly need the screen off to have a longer lasting battery power.
thanks
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The same problem here. It's not a metter of saveing energy, rather if you have your ppc in a pocket, when the screen turn on touchscreen becomes active too, and could start some aplication by foult.
1. the widcomm stack does not work on the mini... until now...
2. if u fear to run some applications accidentally.. u can start a new note.. then turn the light off....
in this way, u won't run any application except for the note..( it is nearly impossible to tap start, then start any program while ur PPC in ur pocket )
asci said:
The same problem here. It's not a metter of saveing energy, rather if you have your ppc in a pocket, when the screen turn on touchscreen becomes active too, and could start some aplication by foult.
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yeah i just didnt mention it, thats anoying too. Just curious what application are you using the GPS with ?
@duke 911 thats a great idea again and is a working workaround. I just use mobile golf scorer with GPS. Now imagine me being on a golfcourse and tapping to start an app every time i play a ball.
this m$ stack is horrible and is like most M$ apps. It just works, nothing more.
yeah i just didnt mention it, thats anoying too. Just curious what application are you using the GPS with ?
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TomTom
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doing some research other PDAs also have the "driver memory" problem on with the Widcomm 1.4.1 they say 1.3.1 worked without problems. Can someone look on his Harddrive if he still has that version ? I would trade M$ stack for an older widcomm any time..
is there any chance that in the near future there is widcomm installable or some other method making BT on the magician usable ?
It does feel alot more chunky than the jam - but it is fast and a non-xscale version of skype is preloaded. I'm just setting the device up now.
Paul
How did you get it? is out already?
Yep, sent out from expansys yesterday.
is it as big as the PDA2K?
Never had a PDA2k. Its roughly the same height and width as the jam but feels alot bulky, however it seems to fit in my jacket pocket just fine.
The device is nice and fast, although writing to the persistant storage is a little slow.
The build quality seems alot better then the jam, no rattles
Also voice dialling over bluetooth works just fine, the audio now gets routed through the BT headset and BT mic.
It's nowhere near the size of the pda2k! I received mine today as well, as you said alot chunkier than the jam but it's still small. Very tidy looking, just hope the sliding keyboard holds out!!
the audio now gets routed through the BT headset and BT mic
Psneddon,
Does music also work over bluetooth headset? I've always wanted this to work on the Jam, but didn't.
Ken
HI psneddon,
are there any PDF user menu come with your NEW K-Jam ??? would you upload it for us, Thanks
If file size is less than 25Mb try
http://www.mytempdir.com/
Thanks a lot
Found the manual here :-
http://www.clubimate.com.nyud.net:8090/support/KJAM/MANUALS/MNL/050905_K-JAM_manual_english.pdf
The device actually comes with a nice printed manual.
The answer to the music over bluetooth is sort of yes and no. If I have the device paired etc and play media player the music comes from the speakers, however if I press the headset and it lauches the voicedial app the music comes out the headset. It switches back once the voicedial application stops though
Paul
I notice, it swith automatic to landscape mode, if you slide the keyboard open.
But if you want to go in landscape without opening the keyboard, there isn't an icon on the right where you can tap on for switchin screen. If you want to switch screen without opening keyboard, you need to go thru the menus to change it.
Anybody know how to bypass this?
thnx
I've found my device to be a little unstable and a little buggy. Sometimes it just resets itself. Although the weird thing is sometimes when it soft resets its self it comes back and the radio gsm part of the phone survives the reset (its on and got a signal before I've even put in my device password)
psneddon,
The music over bluetooth sounds like it has improved over the Jam, I'm sure someone will come up with a fix for that, however I have heard that the A2DP profile update is coming out for the K-Jam, which would allow us to use stereo bluetooth headsets!!!
What is your overall opinion of the K-Jam? Coming from the Jam, with 128meg upgrade, what do you think about the memory? I heard something about when programs are loaded in persistent memory, the response is very slow. Have you seen this?
What is the overall response of the unit?
What is the battery life like compared to the Jam?
Thanks,
Ken
Yea ive got a 128mb Jam and would like to know the above Q
Thanks
Does the K-Jam come with a voice dial app like the Universal? If so, what program is it?
I have the Apache (basically the CDMA version of the Wizard) but it doesn't come with voice dialing software and even after installing MS Voice Command it cannot be activated via BT headset.
However, when pressing the button on the headset, the audio does come through the headset speaker indefinitely.
Dan
I'll mainly list the negative points... Heres a very unstructured review.
The device seems slightly slower than the jam, sometimes its really quick - other times it crawls along. One reason for this could be that WM5 seems to never close a program - when my device slows to a crawl i usually check the memory manager and there are like 15 programs running!
It is a little to thick for my liking and I'm not using the keyboard as much as I though I would. When I go back to holding my Jam it seems sooo thin and light.
When I install pocket plus 3 and soft reset my device freezes and i have to hard reset which is a pain - even tried installing it without any other software installed.
The side and top buttons on the device (e.g. power, camera) are all now recessed into the unit, which is good for stopping accidental presses but sometimes its hard to feel where the buttons actually are and its hard to know if your actually pressing them when you try.
The build quality is very good - better then the jam. However getting the miniSD out is a bit of a struggle - it seems to be sticking on something.
When you use the camera you can ONLY use it landscape - which is a pain.
Wm5 does seem a bit buggy here and there and yesterday my device was soft resetting itself every few hours although after a hard reset it is not doing it anymore (must have been a software problem).
Having all the storage space for apps/file and all the memory for running programs is how it should have always been.
Battery life is great compared to the jam, however if you have wifi on it does eat the battery a bit.
The wifi works no problem with my belkin router - no problems at all. Only think is that if you suspend the device (or it time out) the wifi gets turned off (thus saving battery) but you have to manually re-enable it. Would be good if it would automatically re-enable when you un-suspend the device.
The bt headset works much better then the jam. You can change a registry key to change the program that gets loaded when you press the headset button. Also the problem with the audio getting left open when you use ms voice command is fixed as you simply press the headset button again to close the audio (however its hard to tell that my headset it active in a noisy enviroment.
I remember when I first got my Jam, it had LOADS of bugs with the inital rom that were fixed in the next rom. I suspect it will be the same with the k-jam.
Another nice feature is that you can press and hold the "comm manger" button on the left side of the device and this switches the device between "sound on" and "vibrate" modes.
The keyboard it quite good although the backlight doesnt really light the alt-keys (each key has two uses).
There is now a little batter meter on the bottom of the screen which again makes it feel more like a phone
Overall the k-jam is a nice evolution of the jam - the speed is a good compromise between processing speed and battery. On the whole I would rather have a slightly slower device and a greatly improved battery.
I only wish it didnt feel so chunky - if you could detatch the keyboard and leave it at home - now that would be fantastic
Paul
Also putting the stylus under the device towards the back is a pain. I would have been much better if it had been left in the same location as the jam
A few other things...
You can now turn the device completely off just like the smartphone (hold down the power button for 4 secs)
You can cancel the device customisation when you hard reset the device by simply pressing cancel on the ext rom setup screen. However most of the software included is built right into the rom and the cab files simply contain shortcuts and reg entries
Thanks psneddon for the update,
That was a very good update you just gave. I want to know what programs you have installed and how much memory is left on the device?
How much is in program, storage and flash rom?
Do you install your programs in flash rom or what?
It sounds like this device is a little larger than the Jam, do you think this was a good upgrade considering all of the new features available on the device?
psneddon, bottom line: will you prefer it from your JAM (if JAM had WM5)?
The device has about 50mb storage space and it seems to have 50meg fo user ram (according to the device info). With just activesync running I have 30mb of memory free and 29mb in use. But going by the way Wm5 manages memory I wouldnt say that data is very meaningfull.
I install some stuff like today plugins in the storage memory but most of the stuff on miniSD card since its faster.
Since the storage/memory is now seperated I dont really think we have to worry anymore about what we install to main storage 50MB is enought in my view.
One good thing is that when you install software via activesync or by cab file the install process is much better - the device now asks where you want to install the software - activesync doesnt prompt you for any information.
Overall I really think that for being one of the first WM5 devices out it is stable enough - it should be rock solid after a few updates.
My only REAL gripe about WM5 is that I was really looking forward to the new "one handed operation" of the device - which is mostly very good - just like the smartphone. except that for programs that use the "ok" button in the top corner you still seem to need to tap the screen. Saying that there is an "ok" button on the keyboard
I'm mad!
bloody buttons don't work if you close the lid. anyone knows a hack?
You probably have to go to buttonsettings in you settings
Go to Locktab and select "Do not lock buttons"
good luck
Locked buttons
Try Start / Settings / Buttons 'Lock'-tab and select 'Do not lock buttons'
I've already done this. it works if you leave the LCD screen open, or if you close the lid flipped (lcd out) but if you close the lid with lcd screen inwards, the buttons stop working.
shafa said:
I've already done this. it works if you leave the LCD screen open, or if you close the lid flipped (lcd out) but if you close the lid with lcd screen inwards, the buttons stop working.
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Same here and it makes useless the Voice Speed Dial feature
really stupid...
is it every one's problem or just some of the devices have this "feature"?
shafa said:
is it every one's problem or just some of the devices have this "feature"?
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I have a MDA Pro from T-Mobile Germany and I have the same Problem. Voice Dial not available, if the MDA is closed! :evil:
Yeh, I have a T-Mobile MDA Pro with the same problem.
It's rather silly because it's not just voice dial I want to use - PocketMusic which is my preferred music player doesn't get the button presses if I close up the device...
Could it be a firmaware issue? Is that a WM5.0 Problem? Like the missing A2DP Support on BT Stack? The last point is very awkward for Microsoft.
There is a program, PQzII, what enables you to bind programs to buttons, and it does the magic trick: you can use buttons when the device is closed. BUT there is a problem with that it only works after a soft reset, until you switch off and switch on your device.
I think there is a service what loads when the device boots up, and when you switch it on, like the service, what checks if the device is opened, and rotates the screen.
The screen rotating-service can be stopped, so you can prevent it from rotating, so I think we could do it with the device-closed-button-locker-service
-working on it.
Only want to control my media player with the volume slider, in my pocket, when the device is closed. (I have been using my Universal without any case in my pocket for 2 months, and it is in perfect condition)
Does anyone have any problems while using the simcard not from the model under the name was it sold?I mean ie using Orange sim in XDA or O2 card in MDA Pro. Is it possible that even if the device is unlocked there is a conflict between ROM and a simcard, or simcard and the phone model?
I do experience the very long time to answer the call, even worse because my side buttons don't work at all. And even when I open the lid and answer the call by pressing the screen it takes ages. I uninstalled the SPB Plus, the ringtone is 100kb wav so not too big.
And what I found out: I have an XDA EXEC with O2 rom, it's unlocked and I'm using it with Orange 3G simcard. And the problem exists only with Orange simcard in! When I insert the original O2 simcard, it answers the calls immediately,no delay at all! the side buttons are working, everything is perfect!
Shall I try to find the M5000 ROM or is there anything else I can do?
Another thing: I've just noticed that none of my phone buttons are working :lol: Not the external ones nor the internal ones.
The only thing that came to my mind is that I had these two buttons assign to NEXT TRACK and SCREEN ON/OFF in TCMusic Player. Is it possible that the TCMP is "using" them all the time, even when the program itself is off? So it's like permanent overwriting it's function?
When I deassigned them in TCMP and made a reset everything is working now.
What is going on? :lol:
I'm using the latest version of Pocketshield and when I get a call come in on my Leo I slide down on the Pocketshield screen to answer only to find the horizontal HTC slider in the background requiring that to be used too for the call to be answered. Now I really have no desire to turn off the HTC dialler and have to use the default Windows Mobile one as it looks frankly dire. So is there a way to have the Pocketshield slider answer a call without having to disable HTC's dialler in the settings?
Cheers.
Solved, just need to select the Phone tab and tick slide to answer. Seems obvious now.
I have just deleted pocketshield from my Leo. It stopped me being able to use the bluetooth in my car despite the settings showing bluetooth as being able to work normally - it either did nothing when I pressed answer on the car or the car thought it was connected ( and started call timer) whilst it actually wasn't.
Also when taking a call on the phone it would sometimes fail to respond to slide to answer (but sometimes did) and often when it failed to answer properly it locked the phone to a blank screen and I had to remove the battery.
I found it very buggy - even at £10 it was a waste of money. If it is relevant, my Leo (HD2) is on UK O2 network and the phone is on original ROM.
1st software I have bought too - damn, that will teach me.
blackrat62 said:
I have just deleted pocketshield from my Leo. It stopped me being able to use the bluetooth in my car despite the settings showing bluetooth as being able to work normally - it either did nothing when I pressed answer on the car or the car thought it was connected ( and started call timer) whilst it actually wasn't.
Also when taking a call on the phone it would sometimes fail to respond to slide to answer (but sometimes did) and often when it failed to answer properly it locked the phone to a blank screen and I had to remove the battery.
I found it very buggy - even at £10 it was a waste of money. If it is relevant, my Leo (HD2) is on UK O2 network and the phone is on original ROM.
1st software I have bought too - damn, that will teach me.
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I run PocketShield on my 1.66 ROM and it works very well.
Pagnell said:
Solved, just need to select the Phone tab and tick slide to answer. Seems obvious now.
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Yes, I also keep the default HTC dialer than WM default and select PocketShield slide to answer setting. HTC dialer will display soon after I slide the PocketShield bar to answer the incoming call but no need to slide the HTC slide answer bar. They just work fine but a little bit aweful. This is why PocketShield already mentioned in the setting page to better choose WM skin.
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I have just deleted pocketshield from my Leo. It stopped me being able to use the bluetooth in my car despite the settings showing bluetooth as being able to work normally - it either did nothing when I pressed answer on the car or the car thought it was connected ( and started call timer) whilst it actually wasn't.
Also when taking a call on the phone it would sometimes fail to respond to slide to answer (but sometimes did) and often when it failed to answer properly it locked the phone to a blank screen and I had to remove the battery.
I found it very buggy - even at £10 it was a waste of money. If it is relevant, my Leo (HD2) is on UK O2 network and the phone is on original ROM.
1st software I have bought too - damn, that will teach me.
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As well works fine on my HD2 (used with 1.48 and 1.66 ROMs and with a couple of cooked). Must be something wrong with your installation. Why don't you contact them for support?
blackrat62 said:
I have just deleted pocketshield from my Leo. It stopped me being able to use the bluetooth in my car despite the settings showing bluetooth as being able to work normally - it either did nothing when I pressed answer on the car or the car thought it was connected ( and started call timer) whilst it actually wasn't.
Also when taking a call on the phone it would sometimes fail to respond to slide to answer (but sometimes did) and often when it failed to answer properly it locked the phone to a blank screen and I had to remove the battery.
I found it very buggy - even at £10 it was a waste of money. If it is relevant, my Leo (HD2) is on UK O2 network and the phone is on original ROM.
1st software I have bought too - damn, that will teach me.
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I use HD2/Pocketshield with my Garmin nuvi bluetooth.
I can answer from nuvi if i am using :
WM dialer OR
HTC dialer without "slide to answer"
But the call is not answered if i use HTC dialer with "slide to answer" even if i press "Answer" on nuvi.I have to answer from the phone itself.
But they have already mentioned that there may be some problems with this setting.
No hanging for me yet and i find the software extremely usefull...