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Question about my new Qtek 9000 and T-mobile network

I just got my Qtek 9000 and I am so impressed with it! It's a great convergence device. However i have a question for those in the US with T-mobile.
I'm in the CA SF area and have a plan with T-mobile. I noticed that I only have the options of EGSM+DCS1800 and PCS1900 under the Phone settings>>band>>GSM Band. So i'm assuming that I'm not able to access the 850 band that T-mobile uses. I noticed that when I use the phone, it says Cingular instead of T-mobile. Is there any way that I can access the 850 band? Do I have to get a new SIM card or is there another way? Thanks ahead for your replies!

Have you read the specs? The Universal only supports 900, 1800, and 1900 bands.

Just want to check, it does still work doesn't it? TMobile arn't the most accurate company in their specs, and they sold this phone to me as being 100% campatible with their US networks.

Tmobile uses the 1900 band on their own network, but based on roaming agreements their phones can use other companies' 850 band, mostly in rural areas. As long as you are in a major Tmobile area, you will receive a 1900 signal, but if you are out in the country away from any major city that Tmobile has towers in, you may not get a signal because the Universal does not support the 850 band. This is the same for Cingular subscribers that use the Universal in the US.
I'm waiting for HTC to release a version of the Universal that supports 1900 UMTS since Cingular rolled that out in the US. The Universal is stuck with GPRS for those in the US.

Duh! I guess I didn't read the specs close enough. I swear it said 850 instead of 900. Oh well. Is anyone in the SF bay area getting any decent connection to T-mobile's GPRS? Mine's slow as sin. If I can't get it to improve, I think I'll pass on the $5.99 T-zone plan.

T-Mobile Launches 3G in NYC

Anybody that is living in the New York City area that has a Univerisal which first can try your Univerisal if it will work on the WCDMA UMTS 2100 Frequency with T-Mobile and let us know in the United States if Univerisal will work on that frequency. That would be greatly appreciated. According to a T-Mobile spokewoman I had spoken today in the Blackberry/PDA Connect Department is you use your existing T-Mobile sim card and just switch over to the WCDMA UMTS 2100 Band Frequency Network on your device. T-Mobile's UMTS frequency is 1700/2100 band in the U.S. In Europe the 2100 band Frequency is used with T-Mobile also. So if you are visiting New York City from Europe your device will work or vise-versa. If you are living in the United States and visiting friends & family in Europe your Univerisal will work. It is compatible either way. T-Mobile's UMTS deployment in the U.S. is the same used as in Europe Here is the URL which I have bookmarked http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/145495/tmobile_launches_3g_in_nyc.html

Wow! So, from now on, every USA would-be cooker can not say "i don't care about 3G".
Well.. We have, herein Italy, 3G since 2002 http://www.tre.it/H3G/Chisiamo/index_384_ITA_HTML.htm
Is Old Europe technologically advanced than USA?

Confirmation of 3G outside US

I'm travelling in Germany and writing this message over the T-Mobile D network with a 3G connection!
I requested from T-Mobile US to unlock my phone and they did in only a couple business days. When I inserted my foriegn sim card, I was never asked for the unlock code. It appears the phone was unlocked anyway.
For all those wondering if you'll get a high speed connection on a foriegn 2100 UMTS 3G network, fear not. It works great!
**************
Proud to finally upgrade from my HTC Wizard to the HTC Dream
-crreed

nice! thanks for this update!

not asking for unlock code because is still on T-mobile network!

isstay said:
not asking for unlock code because is still on T-mobile network!
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i believe you are wrong! T-Mobile in Germany has different Network ID and lock depends not only on SIM card but Network ID too.

The title made me laugh... why would someone think that 3G wouldn't be available outside of the US? I even think that the US was later in implementing 3G than the rest of the world. So I would say : Confirmation of 3G in the US? ;-)

Actually, this was seen as a potential issue back when the G1 was released in the US because T-Mobile in the US uses slightly different frequencies (W-CDMA 1700) for UMTS than those regularly used outside the US. The "fear" was that the radio in the G1 would only work on those bands and thus render US handsets useless, as far as 3G is concerned, outside the US.
Regards,
Dave

But the G1 is sold outside of the US with a 3G connection.... so why would you think it wouldn't work outside the US on 3G?!
The phone obvisouly supports the odd US frequency as well as the "normal" frequency in europe.

http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html
HSPA/WCDMA:
* Europe: 2100 MHz
* US:1700/2100 MHz
* Up to 7.2 Mbps down-link (HSDPA) and 2 Mbps up-link (HSUPA) speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
* 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSUPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.)

philje123 said:
But the G1 is sold outside of the US with a 3G connection.... so why would you think it wouldn't work outside the US on 3G?!
The phone obvisouly supports the odd US frequency as well as the "normal" frequency in europe.
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You need to look at the date of the original post - this was way back in late October 08. We all know *now* that it works outside the US, but at the time of the original post it wasn't certain.
A bit of thread necromancy brought this up to the fore again, but the answer has been well known for months. That I why I said that this was seen as a potential issue, and that the fear was that it wouldn't work outside the US! Note the use of past tense!
It was of particular interest to me at the time because I was in the US for the last 3 months of 2008, and I was buying a G1 over there for use in the UK when my Blackberry decided to die on me.
Regards,
Dave

3G ATT (usa)?

not quite sure how to search this so i guess ill ask (or reask) the question.
1. am i able to reflash my Leo to work with USA ATT 3g bands if a rom ever comes out in the future?
2. can someone confirm to me if step #49 of this tips and tricks thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638) and that piece of 3G activation software works and can allow my Leo to work with ATT 3g? (i dont think it does)
thanks!

1. Nope. It's all hardware.
2. See above. Nope.
It's all edge, my friend!

b-16707 said:
not quite sure how to search this so i guess ill ask (or reask) the question.
1. am i able to reflash my Leo to work with USA ATT 3g bands if a rom ever comes out in the future?
2. can someone confirm to me if step #49 of this tips and tricks thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638) and that piece of 3G activation software works and can allow my Leo to work with ATT 3g? (i dont think it does)
thanks!
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The HTC HD2 will not use 3g in the US. But since the phone is so fast, browsing the internet using edge is faster then with 3G on a sony X1a (my last phone).

do you already have an HD2? Regardless of anything you've read thus far, 3G is hardware dependent. No USA 3G internal radio? No USA 3G.
If you don't already have one, just wait until next month because the HD2 is supposedly coming to Telstra (who operates on 850mhz 3G, just like AT&T). HTC have said that the HD2 is coming in Q1 2010 but it's more than likely going toward T-Mo (based on leaked pics) or other carriers other than AT&T.

ah well i was under the impression that the hardware was both same for euro and us releases and just the software controlling it was different...(and how come they didnt name it the T8582 vs the T8585 as with the HD1 standard for the 2 different radios?....how they gonna distinguish the different hardware HD2s?)
come next year i may just sell mine for the new one (testra one you said). i dont suppose that tmo one will work with att 3g as its on a worldwide 3g band huh.
truly is a nice phone no doubt still

T-Mo US operates on 1700mhz AND 2100mhz for 3G (someone correct me if im wrong...one for uplink and the other for downlink). ATT can operate on 850mhz OR 1900mhz. The European version only has 900mhz and 2100mhz. As you can see, if you use the HD2 in the US (t-mo or ATT) right now, you're restricted to only EDGE unless they both possess their respective 3G bands.

this is what someone on htcforums.com said to me...confirm? deny? reject? love? i guess im just receiving conflicting info as to why this guy would believe this then?
"What you are asking about is a software differentiation. According to PDADB.net, the HD2 US version is scheduled for March 2010. http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2 ... us_htc_leo
The GSM version currently available is capable of T-Mobile US 3G frequencies; as T-Mo is the only US company to use WorldWide frequencies {2100MHz}. The version that is scheduled for March will be for AT&T frequencies. Since the hardware on these two versions are identical, you could flash a WorldWide version with a US version radio, & use a WW version with AT&T."

Your link doesnt work. I don't want to beat on a dead horse, but countless of T-Mo USA users have the HD2 and they could only have access to EDGE. Like I said, for T-Mo USA, their 3G has a split frequency (one for upload the other for download) that's why you need both 1700mhz and 2100mhz.

thats the link
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&view=1&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
bah oh well. the dude seems adamant that it will work...

ah here we go, this was the comparison i was looking for
USA
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&view=1&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
other
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1783&view=1&c=htc_hd2_t8585_htc_leo_100
this on HTC's site
Europe: Network Bands
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <------
Asia Pacific:
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <------
which means it can work here no? since USA att 3G is 850 or 1900?

* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz <--3G
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <-- EDGE

Your problem is that you're looking at the voice/2G/EDGE bands. The HD2 is a quadband phone, so you can pretty much use it anywhere in the world. Your original question was regarding 3G, which the HD2 does not support here in the USA (yet).
3G would be this line HSPA/WCDMA. See how it's only support 900/2100mhz?

GSM is only voice correct? .... getting my voice/data abbreviations all mixed up...

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GSM is only voice correct? .... getting my voice/data abbreviations all mixed up...
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GSM is voice and EDGE (data)

For ATT the key is 850mhz 3G as that what ATT has been adding, I don't believe they are doing any new 1900 towers. You can bing it there are lot's of articles about the iPhone congestion and changing/adding 850 towers. If we are lucky Telstra an, Australian carrier, will pick up the phone soon because they use the same 850 just like ATT. This is how people got the 3G on the HD(1) to work on ATT in the united states. HTCPedia posted a Telstra HD2 rom on Dec 9th, so hopefully they are close to releasing.

Galaxy S I9000 in CANADA with Rogers/Fido

Will Samsung Galaxy S work on 3G fido/Rogers
Hello,
I live in Toronto, Canada and I have phone with Fido. The 3G frequency for fido/rogers are 850/1900. I have found the phone on ebay unlocked that supports HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100.
I heard many posts here about that. I just want to confirm If rogers/fido support 850/1900, however the phone only supports HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100.
Will I still get 3G network or not?

No 850 MHZ available yet. You'd get 2g, but not 3g. I'm sure the 850 Mhz version will be popping up soon.

Yes, but The phone support 1900 and rogers list 1900 as one of the two band frequencies for 3G, so it's should get 3G using 1900 frequency in some areas, right?

Re: Will Samsung Galaxy S work on 3G fido/Rogers
It should work on the 1900 band. You just need to make sure that you have strong 1900 band coverage for 3g in your area. Check gsmworld. Com for the maps.
Sent from my Nexus One

1900 is the secondary band. you'll only get it in certain areas.
and by certain, i mean very few.
even then, would you want a phone that can't connect when you're in one part of town to another

Okay so I was just reading this older article on IntoMobile: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010.html
Here is an excerpt:
The news that AT&T is aiming to complete their 3G network migration to the more capable 850Mhz GSM ban came straight from de la Vega, so it’s a fairly reliable goal-line to look towards. Unfortunately for folks with 2G-limited (EDGE) devices, AT&T’s decision to co-opt the higher-frequency band for 3G services will means that 2G services will now rely on the more finicky and shorter-range 1900Mhz band. In fact, you may have already started noticing a drop in 2G performance in your area. Still, the push to migrate 3G services to the 850Mhz band highlights AT&T’s ongoing effort to improve their 3G network.
So basically by getting a phone that works on the less reliable portion of at&ts network we are definitely asking for trouble. So as much as I hate hate hate waiting. I think that I will have to wait for an official us version.

doctajay said:
Okay so I was just reading this older article on IntoMobile: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010.html
Here is an excerpt:
The news that AT&T is aiming to complete their 3G network migration to the more capable 850Mhz GSM ban came straight from de la Vega, so it’s a fairly reliable goal-line to look towards. Unfortunately for folks with 2G-limited (EDGE) devices, AT&T’s decision to co-opt the higher-frequency band for 3G services will means that 2G services will now rely on the more finicky and shorter-range 1900Mhz band. In fact, you may have already started noticing a drop in 2G performance in your area. Still, the push to migrate 3G services to the 850Mhz band highlights AT&T’s ongoing effort to improve their 3G network.
So basically by getting a phone that works on the less reliable portion of at&ts network we are definitely asking for trouble. So as much as I hate hate hate waiting. I think that I will have to wait for an official us version.
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Good call.
I think that if we don't get an 850 mhz US one right away they'll probably get one in australia or somewhere else where 850 is used. Same deal with people who want the HD2 on AT&T.

850 Mhz version "Not likely" imo...
paulthepwner said:
Good call.
I think that if we don't get an 850 mhz US one right away they'll probably get one in australia or somewhere else where 850 is used. Same deal with people who want the HD2 on AT&T.
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I can comment from personal experience here.. I'm going to hedge a bet that there will not be an 850Mhz Galaxy S... If there were going to be, it would have been submitted to FCC by now, but I could be wrong.
I bought an OmniaHD last June, which is also 900/1900/2100 and it's never hooked up to 3G in Canada.
I can scan UMTS (using service menus) but cannot connect. I always get an unauthorized access message.
The real issue is that Canadian Carriers are making THE CORRECT business decision by using UMTS on 850Mhz.
850 gives you a larger coverage area, with the trade off of less subscribers per radio. this fits Canada's geographic demographic to the tee.. vast area, not many people.
It could be argued that 1900 should be enabled in metro areas, but Rogers is reserving the 1900 for additional voice capacity (is what I've come to learn).
I guess 1900 would be enabled if 850 became flooded.. so here's to iPad causing conjestion on the 850... iPad being pure data.. Hopefully this will be the case and 1900 will be enabled.
FYI there is an approved 'Tmobile' version of the Galaxy S. Tmobile uses 1700/2100.. and so does WIND

engadget.com/2010/04/11/samsung-galaxy-s-hits-the-fcc-with-atandt-bands-onboard/
at&t will be calling it the Captivate and its coming in late July.

kirbo20 said:
engadget.com/2010/04/11/samsung-galaxy-s-hits-the-fcc-with-atandt-bands-onboard/
at&t will be calling it the Captivate and its coming in late July.
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Thanks for the link...
From Engadget, you can click on the fcc image to get the the fcc application. This link: (rf exposure info)
fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1263518&native_or_pdf=pdf
page 4 indicates that the application is for WCDMA 1900Mhz.. GSM will operate both 850 and 1900, however 3G is 1900. (also 2.4Ghz application for BT and WIFI..
So you're out of luck if your carrier has enabled 3G on 850 only....
Hope Rogers enables 1900, because I WANT THIS PHONE!
ps. Page 12 is neat-it looks like they radiate Brain and Muscle tissue equivalents to see the effects of rf The details on test configurations and results are there as well.. I wonder if they'll come out with a corded version....

giz02 said:
The real issue is that Canadian Carriers are making THE CORRECT business decision by using UMTS on 850Mhz.
850 gives you a larger coverage area, with the trade off of less subscribers per radio. this fits Canada's geographic demographic to the tee.. vast area, not many people.
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Why is it that they're not using 900 instead of 850? How much of an "incorrect" business decision would that be?

Aqua1ung said:
Why is it that they're not using 900 instead of 850? How much of an "incorrect" business decision would that be?
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That... is a mystery unsolved ...

Prayers Answered
Samsung Captivate is the phone.. Now What about that Galaxy S Pro.. will we be seeing a flash for the camera???

I just received my Samsung Galaxy S and it's working on Rogers 3G. No problems all day.

bigbuffalo said:
I just received my Samsung Galaxy S and it's working on Rogers 3G. No problems all day.
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Are you in a strong 1900 Mhz area? Where did you buy your Galaxy S from?

trinikartel said:
Are you in a strong 1900 Mhz area? Where did you buy your Galaxy S from?
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I live in Richmond Hill. I have been all over including downtown, and it seems to be working so far. I bought it off a seller on eBay that is located in Markham.

Samsung Galaxy S 3g working in the (Greater Toronto Area) with Rogers on 1900 MHz
bigbuffalo said:
I live in Richmond Hill. I have been all over including downtown, and it seems to be working so far. I bought it off a seller on eBay that is located in Markham.
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@bigbuffalo, thanks for the tip about the guy in Markham, I met up with him yesterday and bought the Samsung Galaxy S. Man What a device!!! I replaced my Motorola Milestone as I had enough of the Motorola BS. Don't get me wrong, I still think its one of the best 2.1 devices in Canada but if you read the Motorola forums you can see what my frustrations have been all about.
I can confirm that the Galaxy S does indeed have 3G coverage all over the GTA (South Eastern Ontario, Canada) including Milton on the 1900 MHz band but if you drive 5 minutes west of Milton it goes down to EDGE. Oh forgot to mention that the 3G is 3.5G as I see an H (HSDPA, HSUPA) more often then I see 3G. I hope this helps.
The device is a work of art, smooth,thin, light, sexy and packs a punch. I would recommend this device to anyone over the Nexus One, Milestone and the Sony X10. The Samsung blows them out of the water in every way.
Also if anyone is interested here is the company I bought the Samsung Galaxy S from:
NCI Sales Support Team
Neway Communication International
newayci.com
1-888-839-5639
Now if I can only find some accessories..
Thanks again guys..
Regards,
oscicluna

@oscicluna
Glad you were able to get one. It is one superb piece of software. Not sure if your device has the Singtel firmware on it (Asia), but mine did and I found it to lag quite a bit. When I did my research, apparently that firmware really slows down the device. I since updated to JF2 firmware, and rooted, and now it runs fantastic. I would highly recommend to get rid of the Singtel firmware. Enjoy your device.

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@oscicluna
Glad you were able to get one. It is one superb piece of software. Not sure if your device has the Singtel firmware on it (Asia), but mine did and I found it to lag quite a bit. When I did my research, apparently that firmware really slows down the device. I since updated to JF2 firmware, and rooted, and now it runs fantastic. I would highly recommend to get rid of the Singtel firmware. Enjoy your device.
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hmm...i'm pretty much sold on this phone. Just gonna wait until Tuesday to see what they officially unveil in terms of US carriers (AT&T in particular). The (possible) removal of the front facing camera on the Captivate really ticked me off..but apparently they added a 6 axis sensor for gaming etc. Hoping they root the Captivate soonish after launch in the event I opt to go that route and save some $$. Decisions...decisions.....

Any one use this phone in CANADA with Rogers / Fido...
i'm use with Rogers...some time show at 3G mode or HSPA mode...but seem this phone is not support Rogers 3G network...can someone explain it.......also when i use Fido i can in roaming mode...the date is not working until i check the roaming date box........