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YOU KNOW i have been using a 8125 for the past 6 months and i loved it last night i bought a Cingular 8525 and i must say i really hate this phone
i work for a big cell phone chain in NY so i have a demo (so that means i pay full price for these phones) well not full price but cost still alot $550
i had my 8125 all tweaked up overclocked hacked and running great
now i have this 8525 which runs on a faster processor and it feels so much slower wtf?
DOES ANYONE FEEL THE SAME WAY OR AM I THE ONLY ONE?
mine definitely feels faster than my 8125. some programs also run slow to begin with...
Yeah, performance is about the same as my overclocked (240mhz) 8125 was. However, UMTS web browsing is a thing of beauty as is attachment load speed on direct push. No more GSM "buzz" in speakers and speakerphones either. Big business plus! WiFi connectivity and GPRS handoffs work great now (always used to lock up my 8125). A2DP performance is worse out of the box but I've cobbled together a work-around. I also miss not being able to stream from WiFi out A2DP. Love the thumbwheel and the keyboard is lightyears better too. Battery life sux.
Bottom line: its an 8125 on 3G. This is the main reason I dumped my 8125 for a TyTN.
I have TyTn to play, S620 to work!
The worst part is the unreability of Hermes, my wizard was AKU 2.3 (i-mate, last official ROM), but STABLE! Now I can test the AKU 3.3!
I had to reset it just when I decide to want to make some test, my wizard battery..., even overclocked.
Slower (or not faster than wizard, slower than S620), good to show to some stupid how fast is this internet connection (the normal mind asks: "and how many batteries do you have?"), stupid bootloader policy, no bug fixed.
So I play with (700 euros, compared with a theme park ticket price, I need to play at least one year before I can change it to a real phone! )
sergiopi said:
I have TyTn to play, S620 to work!
The worst part is the unreability of Hermes, my wizard was AKU 2.3 (i-mate, last official ROM), but STABLE! Now I can test the AKU 3.3!
I had to reset it just when I decide to want to make some test, my wizard battery..., even overclocked.
Slower (or not faster than wizard, slower than S620), good to show to some stupid how fast is this internet connection (the normal mind asks: "and how many batteries do you have?"), stupid bootloader policy, no bug fixed.
So I play with (700 euros, compared with a theme park ticket price, I need to play at least one year before I can change it to a real phone! )
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NOt to be mean but i have no clue if you are agreeing with me or calling me stupid i really have no clue lol
well,
bad news for me, i returned my 2nd JASJAM earlier this week due to a problem with one of they keyboard keys (top right sofkey). damn..... why cant HTC get thier act together. software issues are one thing (hopefully they can be patched etc with hacks/updates) but hardware related issues that are very common, that is unacceptable.
just received a confirmation from imate that my 3rd new replacement will arrive early next week (posted today).
serial number on this new device coming is htc647. Has anyone got this batch to comment on any issues?
To me the Hermes is much better than the Wizard performance wise. Although I feel that the Hermes' slider is a bit more loose compared to the Wizard. I do wish we can get a higher AKU on our Hermeses
I would like to kick ass Hermes designer , for loose slider . Its a horror to fix it. I don't want even try.
Payd 700 $ and what do I have ? !
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well,
bad news for me, i returned my 2nd JASJAM earlier this week due to a problem with one of they keyboard keys (top right sofkey). damn..... why cant HTC get thier act together. software issues are one thing (hopefully they can be patched etc with hacks/updates) but hardware related issues that are very common, that is unacceptable.
just received a confirmation from imate that my 3rd new replacement will arrive early next week (posted today).
serial number on this new device coming is htc647. Has anyone got this batch to comment on any issues?
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Be happy, you have post-sales service! Here in Italy HTC service is... is... isn't!
I can't even register my device on Italian service site. I called HTC europe, asked about warranty services, they asked my IMEI (TyTn an S620) and they said "your service is in Italy". I contacted the service and the said "wrong IMEI the service isn't ours!".
I haven't stolen my devices, TyTn is from expansys ITALY and s620 is fom Expansys UK
I hate? what do you think?
About HTC647 issues, no way to know even IF and HOW they fixed the screen alignment issue.
whats it like as multimedia player.
can it handle movies and music files with no problems (apart from the battery running out quicker).
and how editable is windows mobile, ive been with nokia and its so easy to change the look (using themes).
also hows the 2 megapixle cam for recording movies and taking pictures
i just need that extra push before i commit to a 12 month contract with t mobile
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whats it like as multimedia player.
can it handle movies and music files with no problems (apart from the battery running out quicker).
and how editable is windows mobile, ive been with nokia and its so easy to change the look (using themes).
also hows the 2 megapixle cam for recording movies and taking pictures
i just need that extra push before i commit to a 12 month contract with t mobile
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Do it! the Vario II is a fantastic phone... it handles full screen video playback just fine and giving it has Windows Media player on it, compatibility is great!
As a Pocket PC its very customisable... it can be skinned to look like almost anything! so to say... check out Wisbar for example http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/index.php?pg=skins
The camera is good... nothing special but it does the job...
I would say though, once you've gotten used to it... read up on the WM6 posts - it turns a good Vario into an Excellent Vario
sounds great.
one thing im a bit worried about is a long time ago i used to have a one 2 one phone and the reception in my house was terrible, so hopefully T mobile have boosted up their signal since all those years ago. i did the street check for reception in my road and it was 3 bars good covarage
How is the general reception for making and reciving calls on the phone .
also is it easy to get it unlocked so i can swap when i need to my current sim card. (pay as you go vodaphone) just in case because the vodafone signal is so strong here.
thanks again
two words........
street check, that's what TMobile offer BEFORE you buy
and even if the reception is bad, if you upgrade your Radio rom you will see the improvement
Ive had my VarioII for three months and its been brill, especiall with this site!!!
You can soooooooooooooo customize it to your liking like no other phone on the market, its just fab
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sounds great.
one thing im a bit worried about is a long time ago i used to have a one 2 one phone and the reception in my house was terrible, so hopefully T mobile have boosted up their signal since all those years ago. i did the street check for reception in my road and it was 3 bars good covarage
How is the general reception for making and reciving calls on the phone .
also is it easy to get it unlocked so i can swap when i need to my current sim card. (pay as you go vodaphone) just in case because the vodafone signal is so strong here.
thanks again
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I'm more than happy with the reception... and like you, my street check was good... also, I think you'll find that t-mobile doesn't sim lock their phone... but in any case, its easy to get over that issue
if your in the UK, look on ebay.
i got 2 for under 180 quid, brand new factory sealed.
do try outbid ppl, some of them are scammers, the seller will resort to selling to the next highest genuie bidder, and that should be you!
The Vario 2 (Tytn) is a very versatile device and there are endless tweaks and themes and I would recommend getting one. I would never be without mine.
can i get vario rom for update
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can i get vario rom for update
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Is this guy just posting the same question in every topic on the forum? lol
The Vario is great as a multimedia player - just get something like Coreplayer to use and that will play most types of video. I got stuck in traffic the other day and ended up watching 2 episodes of southpark on my Vario to pass the time
Camera is ok although its not so hot indoors - outside in good light the pics are perfectly acceptable.
Also if you are going with T-Mobile in the UK you can get the web'n'walk deal which means high-speed internet wherever you are.
Got one in the end and im so glad i did
thanks for the advice
just got back from a trip abroad.
I had a heart attack after passing through the Xray machine at check in.
I looked at my phone and the screen was totally screwed up. most of the colour was reversed and just was unreadable.
I think it must have had something to do with the magnet on the leather case the phone comes with and the rays from the Xray machine.
i really thought i broke my new toy (2 days in)
after trying to go through the settings on the phone to see if there was anything in there that might help and a few soft resets later it still was screwed.
so i took the magnet from the black case and held it up to the screen and magically it went back to normal.
so be careful going through check in.
I'm not sure when this showed up on Amazon, but it's been in the last couple of days. I've heard that Amazon was going to be the first distributor of the 7501 in the U.S. and it looks like it will be available August 1st. Here's the link to the listing ... http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Advantage...8543?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1178972918&sr=8-1
We can't order it yet, but can you can sign up for an email when it becomes available.
Thats good news for you guys in the US. Should hopefully mean more accessories will start to be released as it appears people are slow on the uptake with tmanufacturing acessories for the Advantage as there isnt too much to choose from.
Also hopefully will mean Windows Mobile 6 for the rest of us Ameo / Advantage owners who are on Windows Mobile 5! I dont mind waiting till August!
x7501
Actually after reading the link you posted.That is the X7500 and Amazon will not be the only organisation selling this device.David of Mad Monkey boy gadgets will have the device on hand when it is released.
I believe this is the 7501 since it has WM6
It looks like the pictures are of the 7500, since it has the webcamera on the front. Although, in the text it clearly states it's "Powered by Microsoft Windows Mobile 6", which is the key differentiator for the 7501 vs. 7500. I think Amazon just used standard "stock photos" for the ad, just to get it up. If I can get a 7500 with WM6 then I'm all for it, but I don't believe that's offered anywhere yet. What's everyone else think?
Also, thanks for mentioning Mad Monkey Boy Gadgets. Does anyone else have any recommendations of where the X7501 will be available? I don't have any particular allegiance to Amazon, so I would welcome some price competition.
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It looks like the pictures are of the 7500, since it has the webcamera on the front. Although, in the text it clearly states it's "Powered by Microsoft Windows Mobile 6", which is the key differentiator for the 7501 vs. 7500. I think Amazon just used standard "stock photos" for the ad, just to get it up. If I can get a 7500 with WM6 then I'm all for it, but I don't believe that's offered anywhere yet. What's everyone else think?
Also, thanks for mentioning Mad Monkey Boy Gadgets. Does anyone else have any recommendations of where the X7501 will be available? I don't have any particular allegiance to Amazon, so I would welcome some price competition.
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actually, i see no points of getting the HTX X7501 if you can get X7500. There will be official WM6 update for X7500, it has been confirm and announce already.
So which one will you get? x7500 with front camera and WM6 and you don't need to wait, or x7501 with no front camera with WM6 but you have to wait?
I am still trying to figure out what is there even a X7501, my internal contact in HTC can not answer it, and the best guess is x7501 is target for US market only, but hey, x7500 is also being sold in US now.
Good point
The only reasons I was waiting was to get a fresh WM6 build and to make sure it works with AT&T 3G 1900Hz. I was without my Universal for about 3 months after a disasterous official i-mate ROM upgrade. I ended up having to get a new "mother board" for it in the end and it seemed like an eternity. Evidently the board was faulty and it got locked on the splash screen.
Although, if you think the X7500 is better (with the front camera), the WM6 upgrade will go smoothly and it works on the U.S. 3G 1900Hz AT&T 3G network, I may go ahead and get the 7500. I sure don't want to wait if I don't have to.
Thank you very much for your insight.
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The only reasons I was waiting was to get a fresh WM6 build and to make sure it works with AT&T 3G 1900Hz. I was without my Universal for about 3 months after a disasterous official i-mate ROM upgrade. I ended up having to get a new "mother board" for it in the end and it seemed like an eternity. Evidently the board was faulty and it got locked on the splash screen.
Although, if you think the X7500 is better (with the front camera), the WM6 upgrade will go smoothly and it works on the U.S. 3G 1900Hz AT&T 3G network, I may go ahead and get the 7500. I sure don't want to wait if I don't have to.
Thank you very much for your insight.
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i am 95% sure it will work in US (some people are already using x7500 in US, you can ask them). And yes WM6 update will run smoothly on x7500 too. So yes, i think x7500 is better. You see, the point is US is not suppose to have x7500 for sell, but some people import it therefore it's now available for buy too. Therefore it's no point waiting x7501.
Bare in mind the reason why x7501 take off front camera is the network in US doesn't allow video call, but hey, you can still use it for taking picture of yourself
Yes, it does work on the Cingular 3g network. As a matter of fact, it works great. No issues at all on the cingular 3g network.
Doesn't allow video telephony... unfortunatly true. The network is provisioned, sites are being added regularly and SUDs work fine. If you can manage to have someone add the SOCs for you or in some cases write the proper class on your SIM, you can use it. Why oh why marketing chooses not to turn on the switch. Market is ready to pay to use the service, and network deployed should suffice to the extra load. Most sites have enough bandwith to sustain data connection over 3G and video telephony. *sigh* why are northamerican GSM service providers so behind in the offering? Devices, services... I'm moving back to hong kong! Hutchison isn't bad at all in comparison now.
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i am 95% sure it will work in US (some people are already using x7500 in US, you can ask them). And yes WM6 update will run smoothly on x7500 too. So yes, i think x7500 is better. You see, the point is US is not suppose to have x7500 for sell, but some people import it therefore it's now available for buy too. Therefore it's no point waiting x7501.
Bare in mind the reason why x7501 take off front camera is the network in US doesn't allow video call, but hey, you can still use it for taking picture of yourself
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Thanks for the news !!!
That's great news that it definitely works on the Cingular/AT&T 3G network. I've had horrible reception on my Universal ever since they transitioned to 3G in January. I think Cingular re-prioritized their towers to 3G and left the 2G/GSM network with less bandwidth ... and I can't use the 3G since the Universal 3G is the 2100Hz European version.
Does anyone have a source you would recommend for the HTC version (in Black) for the US? I bought my XDAII and Universal from overseas and I would sure like to buy from the U.S. this time, if possible.
Finally, as anyone heard firm timing on an official HTC WM6 upgrade? Sorry for being a little paranoid, but ever since I turned my Universal into a brick last year I've gotten a little squeamish on doing ROM upgrades.
Thank you all again for the help. I'm hoping others in the U.S. are in my position are reading this and will also benefit from this thread.
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That's great news that it definitely works on the Cingular/AT&T 3G network. I've had horrible reception on my Universal ever since they transitioned to 3G in January. I think Cingular re-prioritized their towers to 3G and left the 2G/GSM network with less bandwidth ... and I can't use the 3G since the Universal 3G is the 2100Hz European version.
Does anyone have a source you would recommend for the HTC version (in Black) for the US? I bought my XDAII and Universal from overseas and I would sure like to buy from the U.S. this time, if possible.
Finally, as anyone heard firm timing on an official HTC WM6 upgrade? Sorry for being a little paranoid, but ever since I turned my Universal into a brick last year I've gotten a little squeamish on doing ROM upgrades.
Thank you all again for the help. I'm hoping others in the U.S. are in my position are reading this and will also benefit from this thread.
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wm6 update will be available in about 2 months
I bought mine from
http://www.dweiniger.com/
which one? 7501?
lennyfl said:
http://www.dweiniger.com/
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Worst... webdesign... ever...
Nara-e-Mastana said:
Which one? 7501?
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Couldn't be, it's not out yet. Or am I lost?
This is incredible !!!
As an update, I ended up buying an X7501 (opps ... meant X7500) through eBay (http://www.phonesource-usa.com/cell-phone-555-cheap/HTC-Advantage-X7500---Plus-FREE-2GB-miniSD.php).
I just got it a couple of hours ago and all I can say is this completely blows my Universal out of the water !!! I've just done the basic setups for now, but everything went so smoothly. The screen is wonderful and I actually like the keyboard better in some ways. I could go on an on, but that's for another thread/post. I just wanted to thank you all for the guidance ... great advice !!!
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As an update, I ended up buying an X7501 through eBay (http://www.phonesource-usa.com/cell-phone-555-cheap/HTC-Advantage-X7500---Plus-FREE-2GB-miniSD.php).
I just got it a couple of hours ago and all I can say is this completely blows my Universal out of the water !!! I've just done the basic setups for now, but everything went so smoothly. The screen is wonderful and I actually like the keyboard better in some ways. I could go on an on, but that's for another thread/post. I just wanted to thank you all for the guidance ... great advice !!!
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I believe you mean a X7500, the x7501 comes with Windows Mobile 6 and is not released yet...But yea, I love my x7500 too!
hi guys/gals,
just to verify olliesshop, is it the 7500-wm-5 or 7501-wm-6 that you received ?
i,m just down i-94 in ann arbor and had my jasjar up until a few months ago, but it seemed slow and had to be reset regularly, and reception for the phone and data was quite slow, not to mention the poor camera.
ahhhhhhhhh but now that i have the trion, i really do miss that vga screen!
anyway please let us know which version you have,and does it have the front video camera ?, price you paid and how quickly did you receive it ?
thanks,
djsell
First, yes it was the X7500, sorry for the typo.
Second, it came with WM5 and I expect to upgrade to WM6 in a couple months, along with all the other X7500 owners. Also, it does have the front video camera. I bought it through good old eBay. Here's the link to the item ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSAA:US:11&Item=220111572595. My research showed only a few X7500 retailers, so I went to eBay to check out the one's sold there. This one seemed like the best deal and they where based in the U.S. (Las Vegas). I called them up and they seemed nice so I went with them ... http://www.phonesource-usa.com/cell-phone-555-cheap/HTC-Advantage-X7500---Plus-FREE-2GB-miniSD.php. So far, it's still an incredible machine compared to my Jasjar.
The only 2 minor problems I have so far:
1. The clear part of the keyboard is getting scratched from the "sharp metal" edge of the screen. It's slightly poud of the black case so it scrapes the clear part as it slides over it. So my plan is to wait until there's no interference (after it's worn all the way down) and polish the clear plastic.
2. There's no place to put the keyboard when you just want to use the main part of the device. So I end up putting in my pocket. I assumed it would magnetically attach to the back of the device, but it doesn't seem to.
Overall summary ... I was waiting for the Omni, but it seems like it's turning out to be vaporware or at least not available until late this year. This was clearly the right decision. The Cingular/AT&T 3G works flawlessly in Grosse Pointe, where my Jasjar could barely get a signal anyware after they introduced 3G. The large screen is awesome compared to the Jasjar. I could go on and on, but I will be having tonnes of fun with with for a while.
i got mine about 2 weeks ago. have a problem when i make calls it drops the call before it rings sometimes i have to send 3 times in a row before the call goes through. also i can receive text messages but i can't send them. not sure if its the x7500 or the sim card on both problems.
other than these issues this thing is great im in grosse ile mi. and my reception is good
had verizon and recetion here was bad
waiting for the rom ugrade
if anyone has any ideas for thes problems please post
thank you
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i got mine about 2 weeks ago. have a problem when i make calls it drops the call before it rings sometimes i have to send 3 times in a row before the call goes through. also i can receive text messages but i can't send them. not sure if its the x7500 or the sim card on both problems.
other than these issues this thing is great im in grosse ile mi. and my reception is good
had verizon and recetion here was bad
waiting for the rom ugrade
if anyone has any ideas for thes problems please post
thank you
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For your SMS problem; Did you set your SMS centre number in your phone settings?
If you just installed the SIM card after getting the unit then your SMS and Voicemail numbers need to be entered in the phone settings.
I've had the 8125, and 8525, but have been using a Moto Q for about 6 months. I recently went back to the 8525 and have noticed just how slow it is compared to the Q, and have already run out of storage memory (internal) due to the amount of email I receive. I want to use the 8525 for the remote desktop ability but these issues sure make it a pain. Does anyone know what's coming out next in the HTC WM Pro line for AT&T and approximately when? I don't want to waste my money on a tilt if something newer w/ better specs might be coming out in the next few months.
-Keith
Check the General Section...most discussions on new ppc's & carriers are there! btw, the Tilt is the replacement of the 8525:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=256
regards,
My 8525 was really slow when I first got it. WM6 changed all that...much snappier now and more stable as well.
i assume everyone here on XDA is a gadget freak who constantly upgrades over and over again and again.
Hermes should be fairly "old" by cellphone standards and as the current batch of cooked ROMs mature w/6.5 kernel coming into play it should be more stable and even more mature. winmo 7.0 is a maybe at this time, or it might require all new hardware.
how long do u plan to keep it. i expect most answers to be:
-until XYZ model/gadget comes out.
as for myself, i'm either;
-waiting for my contract to expire end of this summer and replcacing it w/the June iPhone
or
-waiting for NVidia's Tegra-enabled smartphone to debut. it will finally match my expectations of speed for a mobile device. hermes is really slow =( even if i use a bare/naked no app build.
Waiting till it breaks i guess. I have nothing against the phone.. Compared to my Co-Workers Phones' Mine is Pretty much a Beast.
Or if i find a good 8925 (Tilt, Kaiser) or Possibly a Sony Ericsson X1 for pretty cheap, I might consider it.
probably as long as it works, I'm saving up for a Kaiser right now but I will still be keeping my 'bankie' even if I get a Kaiser.
Suits my needs... Have a 2nd Jasjam spare for when my current one dies...
I have five 8525's that I have flashed with WWE ROM. I ll keep them till I can't canibalize them anymore, Then I'll buy somrthing with the current WMo os.
2 weeks or less if im lucky i have the white screen problem and the fix doesnt work with it.
i have a touch pro but the screen wont align due to a dead spot so i am just waiting on the new screen coming from hong kong then bye bye hermes you did me well
Still a strong contender - Like a new phone with 6.5
To be honest, none of the WinMo successors have really wowed me as anything more than small upgrades to this phone , which was an absolute milestone in terms of funtionality when it was launched (just consider that, 2.5 years after launch it still has faster data transfer speeds than the current iPhone).
I was lusting after the Raphael until the 6.5 ROMs came out for Hermes. I had no idea that the TyTn could run a 6.5 ROM so smoothly. It's basically like a new phone. At this stage, I'm no longer considering the Touch Pro and will probably wait for the Touch Pro 2 to come out or for my Hermes to break...
X1i
Though, I already have my X1i (Xperia), I will keep my hermes until ... i dunno as long as it is still working...
I too was wating on the TP2, and saving my pennies....
But, then the Amazon deal for a <$100 Dream showed up, and that went out the window!
I sold my Hermes to my brother, and got a white G1.
I will rock the G1 for a while, and keep an eye on Tegra & used TP2 prices. And watch the WM6.5/7 & Android tango to see what's working well.
-bZj
I keep my Hermes until the end of June, when my contract gets renewed and i own the Touch HD
But i will keep my Hermes further on for testing/development purpose.
And because i got so used to it and love it
for as long as it will run i dont really care if new models are out
Until it dies.
Or Someone gives me a t-mobile g1
i already keep it more than 3years, still like it
Hope this is ok to post this here...
Could anyone help me make an educated decision between the TyTn and the TyTn 2? (Or even a better phone) I've been cruzing ebay for an unlocked or att phone and i came across the TyTn in my searches. It looks like a great phone and HTC makes some of the coolest phones I've seen.
I only want to pay about $100 to $150 (maybe 200 if its worth it). I wont have a data plan but have access to wifi a lot. And I would like to make use of windows mobile. The TyTn is going for about 150 or less on ebay. I'm just worried that its too old of a phone or maybe that the new TyTn 2 is better? I'm leaning towards the old TyTn. Any thoughts would be great. As far as I can see the TyTn 2 is hardly different other than GPS and tilting screen, but you guys are the experts! Any help would be great.
tytn2 is better... but it's still basically tytn1. i, too, was also checking out tytn2 for the longest time... until touchpro 2.
personally, i've been looking at TP2 for longer and longer times and the more i look at it, the more i love it!!! if it ever debuts here in the US on TMobile i'm definitely pulling the trigger on it. my hermes is clanky compared to the thinner TP2. it looks beautiful and has more processing power. and it's time for me to renew anyways and i've wanted to transition to TMobile for the longest time now. so here's a hoping =).
Hey thanks for the reply. Yeah I'm pretty much set on the TyTn 2 now. But people keep saying i should get the Fuze. I dont really like the fuze though. I saw it in an ATT store the other day and it felt flimsy. And for me, the price to performance ratio isnt worth it. The only cool thing i see is its faster, better screen and its slimmer. I think I'll enjoy the TyTn 2 better.
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Well, I just picked up a brand new 8525 from AT&T for $100. I did extend my contract, but I'm not changing as I have been very pleased with their service. If I don't like it, I'll give it to my wife who does and get a Fuze. This thing is very fast. I just don't like the lack of internal memory or GPS. I have a GPS mouse that I've used with my Wizard for 3 years, so there's no need to spend more than that at this point. For kicks and giggles, I tethered it to my iMac this morning and there was no difference in speed between it and my cable modem connection. I'm probably going to do a direct port of the HTC Kaiser official 6.1 ROM if I can get a little spare time, so I'm sure I'll be holding on to it for a while.
Ive had mine for several years now (its been shelved since I got my Kaiser a year ago), finally gave it to my counterpart 3 weeks ago - and now its a brick. lol..
She needs a new phone - im happy with my Kaiser.
I have a Fuze now but am using my 8525 with no sim, a powered mount, i-Blue bluetooth GPS and IGuidance as my motorcycle GPS device and in a pinch could still put the sim back in.