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Hi.
I have many questions which have been skimmed across on quite a few other topics in this forum, I wish to ask more in depth questions for all you IT Brainiacs which I lookup to greatly 8)
I own a XDAIIi and a 512MB Kingston SD Card.
Using 'Storage Tools' by softwinter...
http://www.softwinter.com/storagetools.html
The SD Card is formatted:
FAT 16 (Backup FAT)
Cluster Size (The Largest Size)
I also use TomTom Navigator 3.07 with GPS 3.07.
I experience frequent lockups whilst driving.
What I am asking you guys is what is THE BEST AND ULTIMATE SD CARD to use in my XDAIIi with TomTom.
I know about all the Sandisk Ultra II/Extreme III but pocketgps.co.uk...
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/storage-card-compatibility.php
Do not advise using Sandisk cards due to their poor performance.
Do any of you guys recommened how to tweak my SD card but increasing/decreasing the cluster size or formatting the card with FAT32 !? Or are there any REG Hacks that people know of how to increase the stability of the XDAIIi using the SD Card slot.
Also are there any solid specs of HOW fast the XDAIIi SD Slot can Read/Write to SD Cards?!
Sorry to ask such harsh, to-the-point questions but I have learn so much from this forum and will be donating money soon as if I were to ask or ring the customer services of the products I own they would charge a bomb on phone calls and not answer my questions.
This forum does neither of those
Thanks in advance,
lydiachris
SD Ram XDA IIi
The only card that I have found to reliable with the XDA IIi is the Kingston, I have the 1GB version currently formated FAT16 32 Secs, 512 bytes per sector and Tom Tom functions perfectly...Hope this helps...
Hi there. thankyou for VERY quick reply.
Please could you explain more about the way you have formatted your card.
I understand the FAT16 bit but what do you by 32 SECS and 512 bytes per sector.
Thankyou again,
lydiachris
ps. I take it that you are using the standard Kingston (blue), not the elite pro version (white)
The Kingston "Elite Pro" range is miles faster than the standard kingston SD cards, and only about 20% pricier (at http://www.picstop.com/securedigital.htm). Just replaced my Kingston 256 with an Elite Pro 1GB, and Tomtom flies! (5 times faster to load)
PS if you're using Tomtom's GPS 3.07, you might wish to change to one of the earlier versions that doesn't hijack your BT stack (Pocket GPS world has loads of info and downloads for this)
Hi there. Are you serious?!? Do you have a XDAIIi ???
I am currently using a standard blue kingston 512MB SD.
But I have just bought an Elite Pro 512MB SD Card for £33 which I am quite pleased with
Please could you post some more info on the formatting question I have posted above.
How did you format your card Fredrick_Fredrickson.
Also what does the 'Cluster Size' of an SD Card mean. I understand that if you have many large files i.e. like TomTom maps (all the individual files) then it is better to have a larger cluster size than say if you have many little files like photos.
Am I correct in saying that!?
Cheers,
Lydiachris
Ps. has anyone got one of these?!?!?!
http://www.kingston.com/digitalmedia/sdultimate.asp
Very serious!
5 times quicker to load.
Just did a quick back to back ABA test, starting up Tomtom.
Kindston Elite Pro (1GB): 15 seconds
Kingston Standard (256Mb): 53 seconds
Both cards formatted FAT32 with default cluster sizes.
Test on an XDAII (not XDAIIi)
Note that the new Elite Pro cards are also blue, like the standard ones.
Hi thankyou.
That is really amazing!!!!
Could you please look further into how your cards are formatted, i.e. cluster sizes.
Why FAT32??? Doesn't this cause lockups whilst your using tomtom????!!!!!
I thought that SD Cards usually work better with the FAT16 file system?
Actually, do you experience any lockups at all with tomtom???
Regarding the colour of the cards, what colour is your elite pro card???
Because if you go on the link that I posted above, they are actually the ultimate kingston card.
With 133X read / write etc...
Cheers,
lydiachris
The manufacturer of Storage Tools says (http://www.softwinter.com/storagetools_faq.html):
Q: What file system I should use FAT12, FAT16 or FAT32?
A: It depends on the storage card size. For larger cards, 64MB and up, the answer is almost always FAT32. FAT32 can be incompatible with digital cameras.
My cluster size is:
256MB standard card: 512 bytes
1GB Elite pro: 4Kb
I've not had any trouble with lockups (touch wood)
My card colour is blue, but it is definitely an Elite Pro, not an Ultimate.
Hi,
For those experiencing lockups using TomTom 3 and XDA2i please look at my thread, its not the SD card its the Phone that causes the lockups.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=21002&highlight=
Cheers
Blue
Hi thankyou.
But how the hell do you turn your bluetooth on with flight mode enabled?!?!
It is impossible on a XDAIIi.
UNLESS your using a wired gps receiver?!?!?
SD Card and Formatting
I don't know if anyone is interested but I have done extensive testing on my XDAIIi with my Kingston Elite Pro 512MB SD Card.
Using Spb Benchmark
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/benchmark/?en
and softwinter's storage tools
http://www.softwinter.com/storagetools.html
I have tried formatting my SD Card withmany various differnt set-ups.
I.e. differnt cluster sizes, FAT 16 and FAT 32, back-up FAT or not.
And by using the 'storage card' benchmark option on SPB Benchmark I have found that my Kingston Elte Pro card functions best and fastest by formatting it like this...
FAT16
512 byte Sector Size
64KB Cluster Size
Backup FAT - NO.
Hope this helps some people, maybe other people can try with their makes of storage card and post their results.
The next 'best' format was with..
FAT32
512 byte Sector Size
32KB Cluster Size
Backup FAT - NO
Also another observation I made was if you format the card using the first set up but have
Backup FAT - YES
There is a significant decrease in speed operation.
As I said above I format my cards in my XDAIIi or through my laptops media card reader.
Hope this helps!!
Happy testing 8)
Cheers,
lydiachris
Hi all,
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI...80014389657&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWN:IT&rd=1
Some eBay store is selling 4GB OEM Samsungs (or so he claims?) for a pretty good price. Please don't scream 'SCAM!' yet until I confirm that I haven't recieved a card from him .
But the real question here is, will this work on a Magician? There are plenty of threads about Adata and Transcend but none for Samsung (yes I realise samsungs are rebranded at retails, but I doubt Adata and Transcend rebrand Samsungs?)! Note the description says 'Support SD 1.1', so hopefully that means a yes?
Thanks!
EDIT: The listing above ended a while back. Theres a newer bunch here: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/150X-4GB-OEM...hZ018QQcategoryZ93930QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
got one in my charmer but yeah they work on magicians too. tested on an imate jam using the latest 1.12 rom.
Thanks for the info, but my one doesn't seem to work in my Magician... heck it looks suspiciously fake, but I've tested it with a 3.6GB batch of files and it holds brilliantly! It works on my older Dell Axim x30, which really doesn't say anything good about the Magician's SD tech...
Well its a bit last ditch, but anyone got any ideas?
Thanks!
EDIT: dave, I found a similar post of yours on Modaco :lol:... well yea since you seem to have bought the exact same item, I was wondering if you could verify some things for me:
- That I-mate JAM it works in. Do you know its firmware details? I tried flashing my O2 XDA II Mini to WWE_11200_128_11210_ship I-Mate but no difference, it still asks me to format the card upon insertion, and fails to format it anyway :roll: .
- Also did your SD card come with a big, ugly red sticker instead of the nice one in the pic?
Thanks!
toomuchdogfur said:
- That I-mate JAM it works in. Do you know its firmware details? I tried flashing my O2 XDA II Mini to WWE_11200_128_11210_ship I-Mate but no difference, it still asks me to format the card upon insertion, and fails to format it anyway :roll: .
- Also did your SD card come with a big, ugly red sticker instead of the nice one in the pic?
Thanks!
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dont know the firmware as i dont have the phone to hand but its got the lastest rom from www.clubimate.com, as i remember i used the one with the lastest date which is either the file youve mentioned or the UK one with the same date.
my card had a green sticker on it, one which looks like its been printed on an inkjet printer and then torn rather than cut to fit the card!
Would it work with the Blueangel?????
Thanks.
Yea I've tried the latest i-mate international ROM with no success, but I'll get the UK one and try that once my download metering goes into off-peak . I hope that it is a ROM problem and not a hardware one, so then I would have at least an inkling of a chance in getting the SD to work on my XDA Mini!
As for the BlueAngel, I can only say that it won't work on a Wallaby (O2 XDA), but then again thats an era behind the BlueAngel... don't buy it until you're certain, because you won't have much fun trying to get a return from a US seller. What I can say is that its not a fake (tested it by dumping >3GB of files on it), but it does come with an ugly sticker... maybe if you ask nicely the dude will give you a choice of colour. :wink:
Blargh bloody card! Why can't you just WORK!
XDA mini vs. 4gig SDCard.. Help
Hi... pls help anyone.. bought a 4gig SDCard.. first, my XDA Mini wanted me to format it being unaccessible.. then it got converted to only 2.1gig.. its working though (but at that reduced capacity!). I had it replaced (thank goodness my seller was kind).. but its prompting format again due to being unaccessible.. and cant do that again..
is there any software-fix available?
pls.. urgent need help..
thanx..
Re: XDA mini vs. 4gig SDCard.. Help
Still doesn't work!!! Even on UK i-mate JAM ROM. Now I'm resorting to farfetched ideas such as filling the card up to 2GB and 3GB (still in progress) and putting autorun programs on it (doesn't work). I've tried it on FAT16, FAT32 and even NTFS with no luck, partitioned it to 2GB with no results. A few more questions, if you don't mind?
- Did your i-mate prompt you to format your card upon insertion, or did it work on the get-go?
- Was it formatted or partitioned in any particular way?
oicnev said:
Hi... pls help anyone.. bought a 4gig SDCard.. first, my XDA Mini wanted me to format it being unaccessible.. then it got converted to only 2.1gig.. its working though (but at that reduced capacity!). I had it replaced (thank goodness my seller was kind).. but its prompting format again due to being unaccessible.. and cant do that again..
is there any software-fix available?
pls.. urgent need help..
thanx..
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Lucky you ! Yes I had the same issue with my Dell Axim x30, what I did was that I used paritioning software to delete the entire 2GB partition, then to paritition the entire 4GB as FAT32... and it worked! So from my view, if your PDA is able to format a certain memory card, even partially, that means it can read it whole BUT it can't format it properly. Hence you format it for it .
a 4GB card would be sweet on a Magician
However, i read on several posts that they have poor compatibility with the Magician; or the Magician is picky on handling certain brands. I thinking of getting a 4GB MMC card [green Adata] on Ebay, because they seem to be more realiable on the Magician from what i have read.
The green Adata 200x MMC 4GB cards can read 30MB per second. Is that slower then the standard or ultra SD cards? Curious, because I've read that SD are suppose to be twice as fast as MMC cards.
dream_sequence said:
a 4GB card would be sweet on a Magician
However, i read on several posts that they have poor compatibility with the Magician; or the Magician is picky on handling certain brands. I thinking of getting a 4GB MMC card [green Adata] on Ebay, because they seem to be more realiable on the Magician from what i have read.
The green Adata 200x MMC 4GB cards can read 30MB per second. Is that slower then the standard or ultra SD cards? Curious, because I've read that SD are suppose to be twice as fast as MMC cards.
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I guess you would hafta believe the speed ratings on the cards, hence I presume a 200x MMC would beat the pants of any other flash memory card under 200x, regardless of whether it was a MMC, SD, etc.
Yea I've read of poor Magician compatibility with any cards above 1GB. But what baffles and irritates me most is that dave106 has (seemingly) exactly the same bloody card working in his mate's i-mate JAM, yet my bloody thing will prompt me to format everytime - if I don't, it doesn't read, but if I do, it formats to RAW and doesn't read :? !
hmmmm... examining the 4GB card using Paragon Partition Manager gets some interesting results! Here's the card when properly formatted:
Code:
Partition 0, hard disk 2
Volume label:
File system: FAT32
Drive letter: G:
Serial number: 00000000
Sectors / boot: 32
Sectors / cluster: 8
Size (capacity): 3.8 GB (4.120.833.024 )
Used space: 7.7 MB ( 0%)
Free space: 3.8 GB (100%)
Physical sectors:
First: 63 (Cyl 0, Hd 1, Sec 1)
Last: 8048564 (Cyl 500, Hd 254, Sec 63)
HDD info: Cyl 501, Hd 255, Sec 63
...and here's the card after a stint in Magician's 'format':
Code:
Partition 0, hard disk 2
Volume label:
File system: Unformatted
Drive letter: *:
Serial number: 00000000
Sectors / boot: 0
Sectors / cluster: 0
Size (capacity): 3.8 GB (4.120.833.024 )
Used space: 2048 GB (53363%)
Free space: 3.8 GB (100%)
Physical sectors:
First: 63 (Cyl 0, Hd 1, Sec 1)
Last: 8048564 (Cyl 500, Hd 254, Sec 63)
HDD info: Cyl 501, Hd 255, Sec 63
2048GB used??? Even if I delete the partition on my SD card so it becomes RAW, the used stays put at 0 bytes. It seems as though the Magician gets confused as hell when formatting this card... wonder why?
when i got the card, stuck it in the PC and it was already formatted. Put about 3.5gig of music on it and a few days later tried it out in my mates jam and it came up fine in the memory cpl and in file explorer.
Still no luck... after numerous reflashes and ideas, i've given up on this card. Thanks for all the help anyway dave! My uncle has a XDA Mini as well so I'll try it in his later.
howdy,
not too sure wether this revelation applies to your 4gb cards, but I found out many previously unrecognizable sd cards( upto two gigs) were readable once formatted with sktools.
- No, this is not a joke, try it and lets see whether it applies to 4 gig cards as well.
cheers
RE SKTools
Hi.. just tried SKTools.. I couldn't use its feature for SD Cards, it couldn't detect any SD CARD when i inserted my 4gig SD Card, but it could, when i inserted my 256MB...
But thanks,, i found it so useful for alot of my other pocket pc concerns..
HELP...
Thanks for the tip thormdac, but no luck with it either - doesn't detect the memory card on my XDA Mini, and even if i slot it into my Dell x30 (which can read the four gigs perfectly fine) it cannot format the card such so that it can be read by the Magician. BLAH!
Anyway the seller has offered me a refund, which is either very kind or very suspicious depending on your mindset but I think I'll take up the offer - after I try it in my uncle's XDA Mini on Saturday. Losing ten bucks kinda sucks though :roll:.
Oh and btw I also ran the card through this handy formatting tool from Panasonic/Matsushita - the guys who enforce the SD 1.1 standard. It only works for cards up to 2GB, though even when I partitioned the 4GB card to fit under the limits it spat out an error halfway.
On another note: Another SanDisk eBay scam
Sandisk Ultra II 4GB cards don't exist! I was going to report him, but the sneaky bastard avoided mentioning 'SanDisk' at all... plus the 1-day listing makes me suspect that his account might have been hacked. I just hink it's sad there's these scammers around since there are inevitably people who are going to get sucked in by this :x
OMG!
It worked in my uncle's XDA! In frustration, I carefully dissected my Magician with the help of my uncle only to find... errr, nothing. HOWEVER when I partially put it back together (the first two layers of the top-back panel were still off) and switched it on to test, the card bloody worked! Not knowing what I had did, I put it back together only to have it not work again! @#$!
HMMM... again I pulled off the top two layers of the rear and it worked. Eventually we figured out that if we tightened the screws on the rear panel too much, then the Magician would refuse to read the card properly. A bloody manafacturing defect. Peeling off that fat red sticker on the SD card also helped, and eventually the Magician was reliably reading the SD card!
This might go some length in explaining why 4GB SD cards won't work in the Magician while others will - the thickness of SDs may be putting too much pressure on the contacts in the slot, which are already under some pressure by the panel on top of the SD slot. The only difference between my uncle's and my XDA Mini were the bootloader versions - v1.00 and v1.02 respectively - which seems to indicate that my uncle's is an earlier model - perhaps they don't make them like they used to? Note that my XDA Mini reads every card fine BUT the 4GB - I still cannot come up with an explanation for that, considering that this reading problem seems to be a mechanical problem.
I don't know if I'm right at all, but perhaps if anyone is having problems reading SD cards in their Mini, you might want to try opening the cover above your battery panel (its plastic, held by hinges, you should be able to figure how to open it if you're brave enough) and adjusting the tightness of the screws holding the panel underneath (you WILL need a TORX screwdriver... bloody small one too, 'TORX 06').
Thanks for all your help too!
4gb Sd card not working in Imate Jam
Thanks for the tip "toomuchdogfur" untightening the screws on the back of my T mobile MDA has now allowed me to use my new 4gb SD card ,before it would constantly suggest to format card .
Hmmm... so its not a single case after all. I wonder if there are a large number of Magicians with this fault?
4gb sd in magician
Hi guys , Ihave been driven mad by the imate jam ( magician ) not recognising memory cards, so I contacted imate support and got this reply:
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your E-mail. Regarding your query, please note that the SD card standard is limited to 2 GB and our devices are fully compliant to the standard. Cards with the capacity greater than 2 GB are not compliant to the standard and we cannot guarantee that they will function correctly. As to transferring speed limit, we recommend not using ultra speed SD cards with the speed more than 64x as they either will not work or may pose problems later. Also we would like to inform you that some SD cards need to be formatted using any PC / Laptop (supporting SD cards) before using with our devices.
Regards,
Technical Support - i-mate™
So I finally sent my jam back for repair under warranty as the backlight kept going off too and now it seems to be ok . I did wonder about the thickness of the memory cards because some do feel like a tight fit. I have also read on various forums that the jam cannot manage larger than 2gb size memory cards and lots of owners seem to complain of the same format/ reformat problems.I am looking at getting a 4gb card but don't know which one to try. Most uk available ones are 150x speed. Any I mate jam users with good advice on this topic? :!:
Update 18/10/06
Today I received a Kingmax 4gb 40x sd card from Dabs.com £54.48 and it works in my I-mate jam straight out of the box, no formatting or anything. Finally I can hardly believe it!!!!
http://www.dabs.com/ProductList.asp...y=All&PageMode=3&NavigationKey=0&SearchType=1
ps. MMC plus cards don't work at all in my Imate jam ,although an old ancient 256mb mmc card works.Guess it really is all down to the speed. Keep it below 60x and its hunky dory!
I am about to buy a 4 GB 150x Class 2 SDHC Secure Digital Card for my recently bought O2 Neo handset. I would like to know if anyone has tried this earlier and knows if it works.
Umesh
O2 Neo
i have a-data 4gb turbo sd 150x and it works well
Thanks Speeed. Do you know if that is a Class 2 SDHC. I remember reading some post here which said a SDHC 2.0 format might not be compatible with HTC Prophet.
is SDHC working in a prophet?
Hey Umesh, I do have exactly the same question. I already have a 1 GB SD card. But now I need to upgrade and I am wondering if I can buy a SDHC class 2 or even SDHC class 6 card. Can you please post your experiences.
ADVAthanksNCE, Peter
umesh said:
I am about to buy a 4 GB 150x Class 2 SDHC Secure Digital Card for my recently bought O2 Neo handset. I would like to know if anyone has tried this earlier and knows if it works.
Umesh
O2 Neo
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I have the Transcend 150x 4gb SD working in my Prophet for almost a year. The only issue is one that applies to all SD cards and not just the 4gb, that is today plugins sometimes don't like to be on the SD card, otherwise everything works perfectly. It seems to me I remember at the time I bought my 4gb SD card there were some models that had issues with the Prophet. I guess you could just get one of the cards that has already been proven to be compatible.
transcend card
I also have a 4gB transcend card that works perfectly....
gujjuman said:
I also have a 4gB transcend card that works perfectly....
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You can order one here, they have others for sale too, but you might want to get one that works for sure.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820163159
Topram 4Gb
I have a Topram 4Gb 150x sd card and have had no problems. I got it from Ebay.
please note it uses SD 1.1, which is the maximum the Prophet supports.
check it out here:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TOPRAM-150X-4...ryZ18871QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Hi,
I have a samsung oem 4go 150x, bought on ebay from fastmemoryman, and it is also working perfectly on my prophet.
Topram and Soho failed. Still looking for a good 4GB card!
Hello guys,
Here's my experience with 4GB SD card dilemma using a Qtek s200:
1) Topram 150X:
*Works ok till 2GB but data written beyond 2GB can not read back.
*Surprisingly there's no error after chkdsk, xp-scan.
*No error when writing beyond 2GB but data is not really written.
*Original content of the sectors do not change at all.
*Deep analysis under WinHex states defect starting at sector #3964927 of about 8 million sectors.
* FAT16 and FAT32 all formatting combinations possible on Qtek as well as XP which is surprising. No error using Panasonic SD Formatter as well. This card doest not react to any write operation, even if it fails !!!
SOLUTION: Created a 2GB partition using WM5torage + XP and bypass defected area.
2) SOHO 150X:
*Looks horrible with 5th class sticker misaligned.
*Comes with 90MB of defected sectors already marked bad in FAT.
*Healty reformatting impossible.
*All sectors beyond 1GB are unreadable & unwritable.
SOLUTION: Sent it back to the seller.
QUESTION TO ALL POSTS CLAIMING TRANSCEND & A-DATA WORKS WITH NO PROBLEM:
Of course the 4GB SD's are recognized well when insterted in Prophet. But did you go beyond 2GB and up to 4GB? I strongly need someone who would confirm having written full 4GB and able to read it back with no data loss !!!
I think just inserting the card and seeing 3800MB something free means NOTHING and you should load the card completely without no data loss to be sure everything is OK.
Many posts claim problem with camera not saving to card. No sense anymore, it's not related to the cards but the cam.app as the free space calculation issue is well known now.
Waiting for some good news about Trancend and A-Data which i want to try asap...
SHHC not compatible with Prophet
Not yet tried but given all the information on various sources, Prophet has no chance to recognize any SDHC card. When inserted we will probably won't see anything. Like a RAW card.
The most logical explanation is that the CSD layer of SD2.0 is organized diffently than SD1.1.
Didn't see yet any opportunity to use them with a future ROM update. The hardware limitations of the reader on prophet may be the cause.
g3k said:
Hello guys,
Here's my experience with 4GB SD card dilemma using a Qtek s200:
1) Topram 150X:
*Works ok till 2GB but data written beyond 2GB can not read back.
*Surprisingly there's no error after chkdsk, xp-scan.
*No error when writing beyond 2GB but data is not really written.
*Original content of the sectors do not change at all.
*Deep analysis under WinHex states defect starting at sector #3964927 of about 8 million sectors.
* FAT16 and FAT32 all formatting combinations possible on Qtek as well as XP which is surprising. No error using Panasonic SD Formatter as well. This card doest not react to any write operation, even if it fails !!!
SOLUTION: Created a 2GB partition using WM5torage + XP and bypass defected area.
2) SOHO 150X:
*Looks horrible with 5th class sticker misaligned.
*Comes with 90MB of defected sectors already marked bad in FAT.
*Healty reformatting impossible.
*All sectors beyond 1GB are unreadable & unwritable.
SOLUTION: Sent it back to the seller.
QUESTION TO ALL POSTS CLAIMING TRANSCEND & A-DATA WORKS WITH NO PROBLEM:
Of course the 4GB SD's are recognized well when insterted in Prophet. But did you go beyond 2GB and up to 4GB? I strongly need someone who would confirm having written full 4GB and able to read it back with no data loss !!!
I think just inserting the card and seeing 3800MB something free means NOTHING and you should load the card completely without no data loss to be sure everything is OK.
Many posts claim problem with camera not saving to card. No sense anymore, it's not related to the cards but the cam.app as the free space calculation issue is well known now.
Waiting for some good news about Trancend and A-Data which i want to try asap...
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Friend. I have been using the Transcend 4gb 150X with my prophet for almost a year and let me tell you that baby is full!!! I have my GPS maps, a few videos, some big apps, and the rest filled with as much music as I can cram into the thing. It works without any problems at all, I also specify images to be saved directly to the card with no problems. I am not the only one that has reported compatibility with the Transcend.
g3k said:
QUESTION TO ALL POSTS CLAIMING TRANSCEND & A-DATA WORKS WITH NO PROBLEM:
Of course the 4GB SD's are recognized well when insterted in Prophet. But did you go beyond 2GB and up to 4GB? I strongly need someone who would confirm having written full 4GB and able to read it back with no data loss !!!
I think just inserting the card and seeing 3800MB something free means NOTHING and you should load the card completely without no data loss to be sure everything is OK.
Many posts claim problem with camera not saving to card. No sense anymore, it's not related to the cards but the cam.app as the free space calculation issue is well known now.
Waiting for some good news about Trancend and A-Data which i want to try asap...
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I'm using 4go SD card for more than a month... it is almost full and no problem with any kind of data...
So, it work perfectly.
For those than can't save photos on SD card, this has nothing to do with the SD card format. It depends on if you've unlocked Ext rom or not. It depends also of the rom you've installed on your prophet, some home cooked rom than have native unlocked ext rom will show the same issue.
4GB SD cards on Prophet
Thanks matterhorn for making it more precise. It's very nice to hear such clear feedback.
...and Cedric, are you also talking'bout a Transcend?
I guess you both use your cards on the PC using regular card readers. 2GB and FAT32 compatibility should be enough o cope with 4GB. If the card is healty, i see no reason why a recent, non-SDHC reader would not work with 4GB SD.
I also guess you didn't have any problem using full capacity after re-formatting. Reformatting should not be a problem for a good 4GB card to become bad.
I think i'll give another try with Transcend which is a reliable company and registered to sdcard.org while SOHO and TOPRAM are not. In my language, we call them MANUFACTURERS WORKING UNDER THE STAIRS.
g3k said:
Thanks matterhorn for making it more precise. It's very nice to hear such clear feedback.
...and Cedric, are you also talking'bout a Transcend?
I guess you both use your cards on the PC using regular card readers. 2GB and FAT32 compatibility should be enough o cope with 4GB. If the card is healty, i see no reason why a recent, non-SDHC reader would not work with 4GB SD.
I also guess you didn't have any problem using full capacity after re-formatting. Reformatting should not be a problem for a good 4GB card to become bad.
I think i'll give another try with Transcend which is a reliable company and registered to sdcard.org while SOHO and TOPRAM are not. In my language, we call them MANUFACTURERS WORKING UNDER THE STAIRS.
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I use an normal SD card reader to format my card in FAT32 using XP every time I change my ROM, just to make sure there are no hidden nasties to cause problems. Newegg.com has good prices on the Transcend .
Also that tip about the unlocked extended ROM is a good one. When you can have 4gb, who cares about a few megabytes.
So can I assume to confirm the usability of a 4 GB card on my Neo -
If I slide in the 4 GB Card and it shows full memory (4 GB) as available in Memory Status --> Storage Card - that would imply that the full card is (read/write) compatible in the device?
Matterhorn, is your working 4 GB card SDHC 2.0 format ?
Practically, at best I would have only about a couple of minutes to test the 4 GB card at the store where I buy.
Not that I think the above is really that surprising, but I bought a 8gig SDHC card for my camera (which IS SDHC compliant) and tried the card in the Prophet and it did not work/read/attempt to format etc... it did NOTHING with it...
So for those wondering/searching NO -- it doesn't work :-(
sdhc in registry
surprisingly though there is a key in the registry under drivers named sdhc. Maybe it means something else.
Oh good. One less thing to spend my money on
The "sdhc" in Windows Mobile stands for "SDIO Host Controller". So, nope, it's not SDHC we want.
SDHC is in the registry
HKLM->Drivers->BuiltIn->SDHC
I would believe that if the SDHC.dll is updated to SD 2.0, our device would be working with the 8GB SDHC card.
Has M$ updated that driver yet?
[Treo 680 works with 8GB SDHC. When that driver (Palm OS) is copied to Treo 700p, that makes the device work with 8GB too.]
There might be two hurdles sdhc.dll (MS) and omap850_sdhc.dll (HTC/TI). So even if MS updates WM to support SDHC cards, I think the hardware driver must be updated too.
8 gb-> four 2 gb?
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Not that I think the above is really that surprising, but I bought a 8gig SDHC card for my camera (which IS SDHC compliant) and tried the card in the Prophet and it did not work/read/attempt to format etc... it did NOTHING with it...
So for those wondering/searching NO -- it doesn't work :-(
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How about formating the card in the PC and splitting into four 2 gb partitions? Try that, may be that would work. You can also try few different media cards software to create the right partitions. just google it for the software.
Hope it works for you.
Best Regards,
Partitioning would probably not remedy SDHC issue
It's possible to partition a SDHC card into 2GBx4 or 4GBx2 but it would not change anything because the CSD (card specific data) is different on SDHC cards and the device should be able to interpret it before recognizing the partitions.
The prohet is incompatible with SDHC it can not read its CSD. The CSD is outside user accessible area and this is the device driver that reads it to understand what is the capacity, manufacturer ID and serial number of the card.
I suggest to never buy SDHC cards for prophet and use standard 4GB Transcend or Ridata cards.
Do not buy any 4GB SD card of brands not registered to sdcard.org and avoid fake Sandisk's as well.
makes sence.. my idea wasn't thought trough..
one question, is posible install anything drive o parth ?..
I have 1 sd 4gb Transcend 150x and i have more and more problem..
Please help me
Actualy i have 2 part 2 gb..
spoolk said:
one question, is posible install anything drive o parth ?..
I have 1 sd 4gb Transcend 150x and i have more and more problem..
Please help me
Actualy i have 2 part 2 gb..
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Why 2 partitions? I have the Transcend 4gb SD. I formatted it on my PC using XP to one large 4gb drive and it works flawlessly. You might want to copy the data off of it and reformat it.
because , when open aplication from sd, some time the pda is block and i have get out the SD CARD , and get in too , for unblock.
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When I open the applications in the SD, the pda shields herself and I have to extract the SD and return to introduce her to unblock.
hi i have tested 1 gig toshiba sdhc(class4) memory with my universal(wm6) and it worked perfectly.
1. which rom are you using?
2. have you tried more than 4g sdhc?
3. have you tried it with other devices?
4. are you positively sure its sdhc?
i am using a rom from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305512
i only tried 1gig toshiba sdhc class 4 i and i am sure it was sdhc
onlineemails said:
i am using a rom from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305512
i only tried 1gig toshiba sdhc class 4 i and i am sure it was sdhc
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Please post the exact model of the SDHC card. I am willing to bet that the SD card is what is pretty sophisticated since it was built to be both SD v1.1 as well as SD v2.0 compliant.
FYI: 1GB is not exactly "High Capacity".
i told you it was toshiba 1 gig sdhc class 4,it was my friends and i just test it for 2 min and copied a file to card.
I agree though, it's called sdHC for High Capacity, and it's usually starts at 4GB to 8GB, but I'm not saying that you're lying or anything ok, just my 2 cents
SDHC Cards (SD V2) start at 4GB, use a FAT32 default file system and require block mode addressing (512 byte blocks). Rather then the byte addressing used by classic SD/MMC cards.
In essence that means you CAN'T get a 1GB SDHC card within the specification and there would be no point making such a card as SDHC devices support the full command set of SD1 as a subset so SD cards will work fine on SDHC capable devices.
I will do a little testing with my SDHC cards tonight if I get a chance (a few 4GB's and an 8GB) but I seem to recall they don't work (at least on older ROM's) and people need to remember that the hardware drivers we have on the Universal Mobile 6 ROM's are just taken from the 5 ROM's in the most part.
There are a few hardware reasons that could stop it working but I would assume the SD controller used is flexible enough for that not to be an issue. The driver in the ROM will also need to support block mode addressing (the framework in the underlying WinCE OS can support it if the driver does). This biggest issue here is that we have no easy way to write a driver for WinCE and no underlaying detail about the SD controller.
Note: While my knowledge of SD/SDHC may not be complete (in fact I know its not ) I have written a working SDHC hardware driver for an ARM Linux device from scratch.
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i told you it was toshiba 1 gig sdhc class 4,it was my friends and i just test it for 2 min and copied a file to card.
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Umm .... you did not understand me. But I guess I should have been more clearer. By model I mean product tag / part number:
For example, "SD-F01G" is a High Speed (Class 6) 1GB Standard SD Card (non-SDHC).
http://www.toshiba.com/taec/Catalog/Line.do?familyid=7&lineid=7230
This part number will be clearly labelled on the info sheet that came with the card. I do not know if your friend will actually keep this sheet.