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Orange works Vodafone doesn't! Unlocked with Manipulator

Hi everyone. Great programme thanks but can anyone tell me why my Vodafone contract SIM won't work? I get a signal fine, It detects the Vodafone network fine. But every call drops before connection with Unable to Place Call message. Also will not take incoming calls. My Orange Pay as You Go SIM now works fine... and it has definitely unlocked as only O2 worked before. But I need Vodafone SIM to work.
The Vodafone SIM still works in all other handsets. I have also checked with Vodafone and they say there is no reason why the SIM should not work in un unlocked XDA. There are no calls barred on the account.
Is it a setting I have wrong? Or something I did wrong in the unlocking process? Many thanks for anyone's help.
My XDA is Pocket PC 2002, 32mb RAM
Rom Version: 3.12.07 eng
Rom Date. O8.13.02
Radio Ver: 4.06
Protocol 32S54
David C [/b]

Hi mate,
I have used the unlocked 64 mb xda with vodaphone with no problems. My rom was 3.16 and radiostack 4.20 and it wasn't any problem. Now I have upgraded to the good old xda rom from Jeff's kitchen and new radio stack from O2. I suggest you do the same and it will problably work better.
Good luck.
Cheers
Vic

I would wait a day before trying anything else, the phone is obviously unlocked to both 900 and 1800 mhz networks. I have had experience with Vodafone and T Mobile and Virgin recently where no calls could be placed for many hours, next day everything was normal, some kind of network problem. Have you tried the sms using the Voda sim, also what message does a caller get when trying to call you if you have the Voda sim inserted.

One more thing, I think it says somewhere that if you upgrade the radio stack to 4.21 then the unlock no longer works, so it would be better to get this solved before you upgrade the stack.

Thanks for your suggestions guys. But the Voda SIM works fine in my other phones and I have just tried it again in the XDA and same thing happens. Unable To Place Call. So it's not the network.
When I try to dial in to the Voda SIM on XDA I just hear a long tone...dead. It is a very early XDA. Don't know if that makes a difference.
Any help gratefully received as running out of ideas. Is there a manufacturer that may be able to help? But then they probably know less than you. I doubt if O2 will want to!
Many thanks again
Dave

Oh and Cruisin-Thru
SMS does work both ways...just the voice calls that don't. Any clues?
Thanks v much
dave :?

Have you tried manually setting the network under settings/phone/network, try choosing that and see what happens.

I have yes.
It's detecting Vodafone network fine. Just no calls. It's almost as if there's a call bar on though Voda tell me there isn't and it works in all other handsets.
Thanks anyway
Dave

One other thing, is that a very old sim card? Have you tried another voda sim in the xda, I remember having strange problems with some phones with the earlier sim cards, dont know the difference between them though.

Hi there, thanks. It doesn't work on any Vodafone SIMS. But all other networks. Vodafone say they don't know anything about the XDA and it must be a hardware fault..
Could it be that it is not unlocked "properly"? Should I run manipulator again? Think may have to give up on this one.
Thanks Dave

Should an O2 PAYG sim card work in my UK spec XDA?`

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What do you mean by 'won't work'?
Won't pickup a network
Can't make calls
Can't surf the web
Can't send emails
Tell us the problem and I'm sure we can help 8)
JD

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Have you tried entering bootloader and manually choosing 900/1800? I cant see why it wont work, I am using O2 payg, brand new sims work no problem, I tried 3 other new O2 sims to make sure. My xda 1 works with any sim I insert.
I would like to know exactly what happens when you insert a sim, do you get any signal, even for a second or 2. I would guess that it was a blocked phone but then it wouldnt work with the other sim, I am assuming you made a call when you tested that and that it connected ok.
If the original owner made an insurance claim on the phone it will be blocked on all networks.

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This is the strangest problem I have encountered on this site, please let me know the outcome.

"Unknown SIM Error" on MDA Pro on T-Mobile

Hi,
I just bought an MDA Pro direct from T-Mobile's website and it was delivered today. Unfortunately, while the PDA side of things works perfectly, it won't connect to T-Mobile at all.
On the 'T-Mobile' start up screen it displays the text 'No GSM' above what I think must be version information.
It reports 'no service' in the phone status bubble, and SIM Manager says: "Only emergency service calls can be made without a PIN" When I enter the PIN I was given, nothing happens. I think it goes into 'change PIN mode' because then I can put two more 4-digit numbers in (it doesn't matter which!) and then it says "Unknown PIN Status. Unknown PIN Error"
Unfortunately it isn't just a SIM problem as the SIM works in my O2 P800.
I've spoken with T-Mobile and they want to swap the handset, which would be fine if they had any in stock! I'm wondering if anyone here had any advice on ways I could try fixing this short of waiting for them to get in touch and tell me they have another handset I can try.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

Hi,
what is your local provider ? Is it T-Mobile, Vodafone, E-plus or O2 ?
The mda pro only works with a t-mobile sim !
- Superbowl

Try to clean the sim before putting it back in the MDA Pro,
Generally works for me!

i had the same problem with my jasjar here is Australia......my sim works on any other pda and phones but not the jasjar.....apparently the sim that i have or some of the new sims have a little higher voltage than normal.......and the jasjar dont like it.....so what i did was replace the sim with another one and that worked......al they had to do was port my number to the new sim......but before it did that tried to put the sim in first and it started to look for a network so i knew this was gonna work......becoz before when i put my old sim in it just says invalid sim or no sim........so try replacing ur sim with another one......perhaps try and get an old sim maybe the sim has some in stock.....i bet ya that will wrok....good luck

Thanks guys ... I'm trying to find an older T-Mobile SIM to try. It's just frustrating! I've tried giving the SIM a wipe, to no avail. If it is that the SIM is slightly incompatible, T-Mobile sending out another unit won't really help, right?
How annoying!
If anyone else has any great ideas I'd love to hear them!

try using someone elses sim and put it in the device and give it a try to check if its definitely the unit and not the sim......when i rang the tech support for optus thats what i was advised.....and they were right....sim voltage was the problem......anyways try getting another sim.

Contact customer services.
The problem sounds like you SIM is too old.
They should ask for your SIM serial number, if its too old they'll offer to send you a new SIM or something else to make it work straight away??? :wink:

The MDA PRO as its a 3G type phone with WCDMA it needs a diffrent sim card that is usaly known as a 3V USIM.
Its the same on Three in the UK, the sims from their phones will only work in 3G phones not standard GSM ones and vica-versa.

Old SIMs (from about 5 years ago) are rated at 5 volts. Newer ones are 3 volts (not just for 3G). Trust me, I work for a certain mobile phone company who sponser West Brom. ;-)
The problem will be fixed in a future software upgrade. But for now you need a new SIM or your phone unlocked.

Trouble is, this *is* a new SIM... I'm moving back to the 'hardware fault' diagnosis I think.
I went to a friendly carphone warehouse shop in Oxford and tried a new (and definately working) T-Mobile PAYG SIM and that gave exactly the same error.
Maybe T-Mobile need to send me a 3G SIM. I guess I'm probably just going to have to wait until they can send me a new handset to see what happens.
Ho hum!

There's no such thing as a 3G SIM. The 3G gigery pokery happens on the phone. There is no need for a different SIM. The MDA Pro has a problem with SIMs with certain serial numbers (Don't know which coz I'm not at work). You need either a SIM that the phone likes or your phone unlocked. Call customer services if you still have your phone.

Had the same problem allready twice in 2 weeks.
One time a soft reset made the device working again - another time I had to take out the sim card and put it in again, then it worked. But all email accounts were gone and had to be installed again.
Chris

Slave1 said:
There's no such thing as a 3G SIM. The 3G gigery pokery happens on the phone. There is no need for a different SIM. The MDA Pro has a problem with SIMs with certain serial numbers (Don't know which coz I'm not at work). You need either a SIM that the phone likes or your phone unlocked. Call customer services if you still have your phone.
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Hi, thanks for that reply... it seems very useful! If you could post/pm me the numbers of those SIMs that the MDA Pro is unlikely to like I'd really appreciate it... customer services aren't striking me as very helpful (and certainly not knowledgable) and I can tell that if I call them they're still going to say: Wait until we have another handset in stock and we'll see what happens then. Which doesn't help me much as who knows when that will be?
Thanks!

Any SIM serial not starting with 06 or 07 will be affected by the issue.
eg 90043575, the serial starts with 04.
This will be fixed with a software upgrade in the future, in the mean time you either need new SIM or you handset unlocked. For either call customer services.

I got my MDA Pro a few days ago also, had the same problem as you, basically the handset is network locked, not sure how they managed to lock all UK network, basically give Tmob a call and make sure your stay on the line until they provide with an unlock code, i got mine, now my old sim works and my handset is unlocked

I got my MDA Pro a few days ago also, had the same problem as you, basically the handset is network locked, not sure how they managed to lock all UK network, basically give Tmob a call and make sure your stay on the line until they provide with an unlock code, i got mine, now my old sim works and my handset is unlocked

i had the same problem with my ASUS P535 (here is France) with new SIM card.
seen from :http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20070818011855796&board_id=6&model=P535&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
Thanks.

I had the same problem BUT-
I had the same problem but i had been using the sim card successfully with the exec for a year, after a hard reset it doesnt recognise the sim. will a ROM upgrade fix it or is it a hardware failiure?

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lauriewsmith said:
I had the same problem but i had been using the sim card successfully with the exec for a year, after a hard reset it doesnt recognise the sim. will a ROM upgrade fix it or is it a hardware failiure?
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I had this happening to me just last week with a card that works all the time. Then followed that I had no sound coming off speakers or bluetooth. In my case it was a third party software problem. Don't ask me which as I install and uninstall too many applications and my Uni gets in a tangle sometimes. A soft reset instantly (in terms!) restored phone activities and sound, so I recommend a reset if you haven't tried it already. Maybe you will need more than one.

NO SERVICE? - For no reason

Hello..
I last night put my phone onto "flight mode" so that i was not distrubed in the night if a text came through....
this morning i set it back to normal but the network reception reported NO SERVICE
when it had not come back this evening.... i put my sim in a different phone and used a different network's sim card in my pda.... NO SERVICE was reported for this as well but the sim that was placed in the other phone registered on o2 as soon as the phone was switched on
I've only just bought my MDA but off ebay... although it was new i am unable to contact the seller... please can anybody help??
email me to [email protected] or [email protected] if anybody can help
Thanks

MORE info re above
Hi again
In my frustration I have swapped sims again and this time put VODAFONE pay as you go sim in the MDA Magician above.... It found the network and i was able to ring/text from it.....
On putting the O2 Sim Back into the MDA it said NO SERVICE again.....
But using that very same sim in my nokia finds a network.....
The MDA is originally a TMOBILE one that has been unlocked...
ANY help on this would be very appreciated as I'm very annoyed that it's stopped working.
Thank you

Soft reset?
Although, I think taking your batter out and swapping sims may count as a soft reset.

Thanks for the reply - but again that did not solve it... besides to eliminate this i did a HARD RESET as well and re configured it....
I've even RE UNLOCKED it in case this was the problem
(its a T MOBILE PDA) with an O2 SIM IN...... I bought it in November time and unlocked it the same time... My O2 Sim has been working ok in it until the other night when i decided to put it in "flight mode"(so i wasn't disturbed at night)
Im suspecting that it anything to do with IMEI number vs SIM CARD number? Could this have been blocked somehow to that phone?
Its very confusing as it WORKS with VODA sim and DOESNT with O2 yet the SAME O2 sim works in my old nokia 6610.... aaarggghhhh!! LOL

If your MDA works with a Vodafone SIM, it certainly can't be blacklisted for all UK networks since it picks up Vodafone. Secondly, it sounds more like a SIM card issue relating strictly to the MDA. What happens when you try another O2 SIM card in the same MDA?
Make sure the O2 SIM hasn't been damaged in some way, if all fails you might want to take the MDA to T-Mobile to see if they can determine whether its IMEI has been blacklisted for certain networks. Otherwise a ROM upgrade may also help fix the problem.
Good Luck

My guess is that your magician is reported & listed as stolen. Probably not all providers are using the same list with blocked IMEI numbers. Which can explain that one sim works & the other doesn't though works in an other phone.
See if you can find a list for your country on the web. There are some references to such lists in this forum.
Regards, M

check which band your phone is using....
go Phone>Options>band> then select auto

Weirdest Problem Ever..

I have this weird problem with the JJ. I have 2 SIM's with 2 different Operators. The JJ works just fine with one SIM .....
BUT, when I insert the other SIM, I can make calls normally, but I can receive only ONE call (i mean it, ONE), after that the damn thing won't receive calls anymore! (Like the phone is turned off or unreachable)
After trying to make calls for several times it does work, but again, one incoming call and that's it.
I tried that SIM in the 8800, it works just great.
Anybody has an idea on what's going on?
Thank you guys..
PS! I did post this in another topic, but needed some attnetion from you guys, so posted it in a new topic!

It is SIM free btw ..

Come on guys, 80 views and not a single reply.
I need to you that SIM in the JJ.
Could it work by a Radio upgrade or something?

OK, please tell us which version of ROM and radio stack you have.

Sure,
ROM 1.30.69
Radio 1.09.00
Thank you Richard.

the reason there are 80 reviews and no replies is cause nobody knows.
this is an anomoly, way out in left field, that I have never seen ever in all of the forums.
1. get a new sim card
2. get a new sim supplier
3. stop swapping them, and use the one that works
4. take the phone back under warranty and have them fix it.

Tried a colleagues sim card with the same operator and the same happened.. unfortunately there are no other sim suppliers.
the reason i want to use this sim in the jasjar is that my corporate email doesn't work with the other operator, there is some routing problem to our email server.
but why this sim doesn't work properly while the other does. its really confusing.

SooSpecial said:
Tried a colleagues sim card with the same operator and the same happened.. unfortunately there are no other sim suppliers.
the reason i want to use this sim in the jasjar is that my corporate email doesn't work with the other operator, there is some routing problem to our email server.
but why this sim doesn't work properly while the other does. its really confusing.
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Throw this thought in.....
Could some settings relating to the "phone" usage be stored in the universal's registry that conflict with the other SIM card thats being used. Are both cards UMTS?
Matt

Here is a thought, Is the SIM with corporate e-mail the one that is not working? I have a T-mobile account with Blackberry BES and a Cingular account, two different SIM cards. Both work fine but the TMobile card will not work all the time with the blackberry connect software I have loaded up on my Exec. I called TMobile and they reset my "LOCAL Data" from thier switch and now it works fine.
Your carrier may have to reset some things for you to get your card working again. Just give them a ring and ask them to help you sort it out.

Throw this thought in.....
Could some settings relating to the "phone" usage be stored in the universal's registry that conflict with the other SIM card thats being used. Are both cards UMTS?
Matt
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No they aren't ... I tried to hard reset the Universal with that SIM installed, nothing changed, still can't receive calls.
And once the problem happens, GPRS won't connect as well..
Here is a thought, Is the SIM with corporate e-mail the one that is not working? I have a T-mobile account with Blackberry BES and a Cingular account, two different SIM cards. Both work fine but the TMobile card will not work all the time with the blackberry connect software I have loaded up on my Exec. I called TMobile and they reset my "LOCAL Data" from thier switch and now it works fine.
Your carrier may have to reset some things for you to get your card working again. Just give them a ring and ask them to help you sort it out.
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Already called them, they can do nothing about it, I traced our mail server using their GPRS, it stops some where is London! :lol:
I will try to down-grade the Jasjar with the old firmware. It might work :?:
Thanks buddies!

Can the Radio only be downgraded? Or I will have to downgrade the ROM as well?

You can downgrade the radio only, Find the radio you want on the ftp and then upgrade or downgrade just that

Here is what I tried so far..
1) Installing Qtek latest ROM, still didn't work.
2) Downgraded to Radio 1.06.00 and the problem is still there!! :evil:
Looks like I will be selling the JASJAR as soon as the P990i is here! :evil: :evil:

I suspect troubling SIM is UMTS (3G) enabled, AND has poor 3G coverage. JJ sees UMTS and spends its time trying to connect, but can't quite pull it off. I'm battling with this and trawling this board indicates that this is the issue; weak UMTS which you only experience witht he one SIM.