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Memory eaten away !!!!!!!

I think all of you have seen this.. Free program stats from around 25 Mb and keeps on going down even if you completely kill the processes. is there a tool which actually kills the resident dlls and other crap in memory.. Please advice.. i want to get out this habbit of soft reset after couple of days just to bring my memory back up where it belongs ;-)
Cheers
Zobie

Yeah, leaking memory is also one of the very few things I hate on my Wizard
I also would like to know if there is a Memory Cleaner that works like it should and not only kills open programs.

Had problem also. But the Internet Exploder was to blame. I had the history settings to 30 days. Which is the default. Back to 0 days and everything was hunkydory again.

I had problems with memory too. I had less than 1MB of storage memory left. So I went from a custom 2.17 ROM to Mr. Clean AKU 2.3 and changed the Registry setting for IE as follows:
; IE Cache to storage card
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders]
"Cache"="\\Storage Card\\Temporary Internet Files"
I've used this ROM for a week now with lots of programs. I have an average of 25 MB of storage free and the system is fast.
I have experienced no problems whatsoever.

If i don't even open the IE will it still be a memory hog?? i don't understand that.. I can understand that if i use IE all the time it will cause problems but if i don't even use it why woud my memory drop with time. Cans omeone please explain. I am not trying to offend neone here but just wante dto know. I can definitely try the reg settings. Please let me know.
Thanks
Zobie

Don't confuse ROM with RAM and storage with program mem. I think the topic starter referred to his RAM mem becoming less every day, resulting in low program mem and slow operations, needing a reset to clear the RAM and speed up the device.
The IE cache is stored in ROM and will only fill your storage but not slow down your device.
memory leaks are unfortunately a standard issue with PPC devices, I have always suffered from them on both WM 2003 SE and Wm5 devices. For me a soft reset now and then clears it up, but I find it an annoying "feature" as well.

I think like Windows its the In Memory DLLs which are the culprit. I wonder if there can be tools for detailed view of memory for Xp why not WM5.

BUMP !!!

zobie said:
I think like Windows its the In Memory DLLs which are the culprit. I wonder if there can be tools for detailed view of memory for Xp why not WM5.
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What are the "In Memory DLL's"? Never heard of such a thing.
The memory that slows your device is the addressable application memory, which is a total of 32 MB. You cannot change that or add to it.
Think of it as the same as the Virtual Memory (VM) in Windows XP on your desktop. Every application you open reserves a bit of this virtual memory. Some apps willingly give it up when they close - some that are not as well written do not. A soft reset when you see the device slowing is about all you can do.
My only other advice is that skinned applications - particularly Today screen plugins - use up this addressable memory very quickly. This includes Wisbar Advance2, PocketBreeze and iLauncher, and any weather program. If you are running these, you will always have similar issues. Find an acceptable mix of skinned apps that you must have, and try doing without the rest just to see how it treats your device's memory.
And if you want to see what processes are running, and how much memory they are using, try MemMaid by Dinarsoft or SK-Tools. Great programs.

Amen. I wonder how much is held in reserve by the system in case you start the app again? Real Windows has been doing that for a long time, I wouldn't be surprised if micro Windows did it as well. Kind of reminds me of years ago when NT would report how it actually used memory and the end result was there was almost zero bytes "free" because all memory was always used for something, it didn't let anything sit around doing nothing. But since users didn't get it, MS wrote the taskman and so on to report something as "free memory" even though it wasn't really free. Finally, a lot of apps were designed to hide, not close, when you select the "X". If one of those task manager apps just blows the app away, does it bother cleaning up after the app which wasn't given the chance to clean up after itself by closing correctly?

markgamber said:
Amen. I wonder how much is held in reserve by the system in case you start the app again? Real Windows has been doing that for a long time, I wouldn't be surprised if micro Windows did it as well. Kind of reminds me of years ago when NT would report how it actually used memory and the end result was there was almost zero bytes "free" because all memory was always used for something, it didn't let anything sit around doing nothing. But since users didn't get it, MS wrote the taskman and so on to report something as "free memory" even though it wasn't really free.
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Take a look here to learn about what you really see in task manager regarding memory/cpu usage.
http://tinyurl.com/l57w8
Finally, a lot of apps were designed to hide, not close, when you select the "X". If one of those task manager apps just blows the app away, does it bother cleaning up after the app which wasn't given the chance to clean up after itself by closing correctly?
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Depends on which task mamger you are using; some use the WMClose command instead of the Kill command. Big difference!

Tools Like Memmaid SK-Tools don't allow you to identify rouge elements in memory which nolonger have a parent process running. It is those elemts which eat up the memory. I have SPB tools to actually close the application but even then the memory keeps on falling. I guess there is no tool as of today like Taskmanager or even RAM Optimizer for PPC. A Tool like RAM Optimizer would check for the elements which are residing in RAM and are no longer being used. XDA developers can surely write something using the .NE Framework.

J-Mac said:
Depends on which task mamger you are using; some use the WMClose command instead of the Kill command. Big difference!
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Do you happen to know of a couple that use the WMClose command? I've used HandySwitcher most recently and MagicButton in the past, but have no idea which method(s) they use.
Thank you.
Geoffrey

There must 40 threads on this topics by now. I concur with J-Mac that today plugins are mostly to blame. I use Journal Bar and perform a soft reset roughly every other day. To help the situation I also use 2 programs which I find invaluable - The first is Smartskey which allows you close a program rather than minimise it (its a free download on this forum). The second is SK Tools Free up RAM application which works reasonably well but only delays the enevitable soft reset. It's effectiveness decreases the longer the device remains active.

how much free program memory should I have?

I'm running Black Dymond 3.5 on my TyTN and I'm not sure how much free program memory I'm supposed to have.
I rarely have over 9mb of Program memory free. Total of 48mb.
I'm getting tons of crashes (like many other people), have tried either running everything on the storage card, or everything on the device. Either way I'm restarting at least 10 times/day, even crashing during phone calls.
Many times programs won't even load either. (Opera especially)
Could this be due to the memory being short? If so, what tweaks should I be using to increase available RAM?
Thanks!

j0dan said:
I'm running Black Dymond 3.5 on my TyTN and I'm not sure how much free program memory I'm supposed to have.
I rarely have over 9mb of Program memory free. Total of 48mb.
I'm getting tons of crashes (like many other people), have tried either running everything on the storage card, or everything on the device. Either way I'm restarting at least 10 times/day, even crashing during phone calls.
Many times programs won't even load either. (Opera especially)
Could this be due to the memory being short? If so, what tweaks should I be using to increase available RAM?
Thanks!
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You may be a little low on programme memory but I think the crashes are more likely due to a variety of other factors that may be shown here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1078848&postcount=2
Mike

so how much ram *should* I ideally have?

I'd say a bit more than the program that you are about to start needs. You might have tested (installed and uninstalled) many programs and that lets windows run unstable in many cases. And have you tried to give it to the service point and say that it crashes all day long? I think it could even be a hardware problem.

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I'd say a bit more than the program that you are about to start needs. You might have tested (installed and uninstalled) many programs and that lets windows run unstable in many cases. And have you tried to give it to the service point and say that it crashes all day long? I think it could even be a hardware problem.
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Thanks for the reply.
I seem to have fixed at least half of my crashing issues by removing Spb Phone.
I've started using phonealarm and that's been working great.
My biggest problem now is the phone slowing down (crashing maybe?) when receiving a call, to the point where I can't answer it.
Is there a specific # of free program memory I should be aiming for? I'm thinking of giving LVSW a try. just need to decide on which flavour.

Memory Leaking Solution?

Well, I seem to have a constant memory leaking problem. I've tried different roms over the past few years. Some of the most recent DCD 3.2.4, 3.2.6, 4.1.2, and now RM v2.2 light. They all seem to have the same problem. The memory is fine when I do a soft reset, then I start using the phone for whatever, Internet, Text Messaging, etc. The memory starts to get less and less and less over a very short period of time until I hardly have any left. So, I have to keep soft resetting the phone like every hour or more. Is there a solution to this? I have to assume it's a hardware issue since all the ROMs seem to cause the same problem. I have a friend that has the same phone and he uses his phone with MR1 and he says he has no problems at all, but he uses his phone as a basic phone and doesn't use it like a computer, like I do. He doesn't text message or use many applications at all. So, I don't know if he would have the same problem if he ran all the apps I do and text messaged, etc. Thank you for your help and time...

It's not a hardware issue. Due to the nature of our OS, there will more than likely always be a slow memory leak...but it shouldn't be bad.
Do you have a task manager like HTC Task Manager that allows you to completely close apps when you press (or hold) the X? You may have lots of apps running throughout the day that don't actually exit.
You can also try running a program like Oxios Hibernate occasionally to free up some memory.
You may also have programs such a Voice Command that run in the background and use memory; try looking and seeing what is running in the background.
Try downloading something like DotFred's Task Manager, and look at the what programs are running and how much memory they utilize shortly after a reset. Then look again a few hours later to see what changes.

Yes, I do and I'm exiting the apps. It doesn't seem to be bad with this new RS ROM. All the DCD ROMs that I used had a major problem when I used them. I was using memRelease, that seemed to be the best out of the ones I tried, but it would still not release a lot and it would slowly go down lower and lower. I've just started using Oxios Hibernate 1.40 since it came with the new ROM. I don't have voice command that I know of. I see what's running in the background, there is some utility came with the ROM, but I'm not sure what the files are that are running and if it's OK to stop them. I will have to try what you say, but I'll have to try to find that utility again, or get that one you suggested. Thanks!
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It's not a hardware issue. Due to the nature of our OS, there will more than likely always be a slow memory leak...but it shouldn't be bad.
Do you have a task manager like HTC Task Manager that allows you to completely close apps when you press (or hold) the X? You may have lots of apps running throughout the day that don't actually exit.
You can also try running a program like Oxios Hibernate occasionally to free up some memory.
You may also have programs such a Voice Command that run in the background and use memory; try looking and seeing what is running in the background.
Try downloading something like DotFred's Task Manager, and look at the what programs are running and how much memory they utilize shortly after a reset. Then look again a few hours later to see what changes.
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OK, I can't find the application I was talking about, I'm thinking it was in the Heavy version of the ROM and not the Light and that's why I can't find it now.
I did what you suggested and I installed DotFred's Task Manager. I can see the processes that are starting when I do a soft reset. Can you tell me if there is a place that lists what all the processes are and what I need and don't need? This way I can figure out what processes and don't need and stop them. Is there a way to stop some processes from starting automatically when you turn on the phone, and that will only start when I start them manually?
When I do the soft reset my free memory is about 17.76 MB but my processes are only using 15851 KB but my free memory is 18.52 MB after I use Oxios. So, that doesn't work well to free up memory. After you minus the memory the proceses are using from the total memory it should have 37.44 MB free. So, I don't know what's using up the rest of the memory.
I'm also using Kernal to use the High Memory Kernal so the camera doesn't work and it frees up alot more memory. So, if I used Low Memory Kernal my memory would really suck. So, there must be something wrong here.
Is there a way to keep ActiveSync from starting all the time? Here is the list. Thank you!
shell32.exe - 4440 kb
gwes.exe - 3350 kb
device.exe - 2677 kb
services.exe - 2383 kb
filesys.exe - 1812 kb
cprog.exe - 892 kb
connmgr.exe - 104 kb
repllog.exe - 101 kb
TaskMgr.exe - 80 kb
psShutXP.exe - 5 kb
FTouchFlo.exe - 5 kb
poutlook.exe - 1 kb
NK.exe - 1 kb
btonetbone said:
It's not a hardware issue. Due to the nature of our OS, there will more than likely always be a slow memory leak...but it shouldn't be bad.
Do you have a task manager like HTC Task Manager that allows you to completely close apps when you press (or hold) the X? You may have lots of apps running throughout the day that don't actually exit.
You can also try running a program like Oxios Hibernate occasionally to free up some memory.
You may also have programs such a Voice Command that run in the background and use memory; try looking and seeing what is running in the background.
Try downloading something like DotFred's Task Manager, and look at the what programs are running and how much memory they utilize shortly after a reset. Then look again a few hours later to see what changes.
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It must be something you're installing because I've used most of the ROMs you mentioned along with having tons of extra stuff installed and running in the background and with heavy use the memory leaks really only became a problem after a day or two... not every hour.

Well, the RM ROMs seem to be working better then the DCD ROMs. I have to keep clearning the memory, but I don't have to keep restarting my phone like I did with the DCD ROMs. I still don't understand what's up with the memory. I had like 50% clear memory after the fresh install of the new ROM, and I checked the processes. I then restore my backup and install my software and then the memory goes down to like 30% free. I check the processes and there is no new processes. So, if there is no new processes taking up the memory then what is, and how can I find out? Yes, there must be something wrong, but I don't know how to figure out what it is. Thanks!
unL33T said:
It must be something you're installing because I've used most of the ROMs you mentioned along with having tons of extra stuff installed and running in the background and with heavy use the memory leaks really only became a problem after a day or two... not every hour.
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CPU shows 77% when nothing is running!!

I am using a standard UK T-mobile 6.5. I have nothing running on the phone, all apps have been closed, but when you click the top right-hand corner, the CPu shows its running at 77%!!
Does this mean that there is something keeping the processor busy or is 6.5 ineffiecient..or both maybe?
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance.

use cleanRAM which is from the best free application for HTC devices
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=514333

It's not the CPU usage, it's RAM used.

You say nothing is running, but the nature of the beast is that normally there are applications running in the background, Outlook, light & G sensor, the GSM/3G radio, if you use the CleanRam application and looking into the Running processes there is always something running there.
I'm never too worried with CPU or memory usage as long as the device runs fine, I don't care! ...and if it slows down, I just reset (off & on) once in a while (also use cleanRam)

Ram is also ate up by cache that HTC sets. Having lots of apps precached means faster loading of those apps.
If you care about the amount of free memory... then flash a custom rom. The later Official WM6.5 HTC roms are killer.

and remember that unused ram is wasted ram. So what are you going to do with more free ram? It would be there for nothing.

georgeono said:
and remember that unused ram is wasted ram. So what are you going to do with more free ram? It would be there for nothing.
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That's all very well, but if the RAM cannot be freed it's a problem when you want to run a program that needs more. I used to be able to run iGO8 navigation software with text-to-speech voices with the stock HTC 6.1 ROM (as long as I did a RAM clean up before starting it - to get RAM usage down to under 55%). Now, with the HTC 6.5 ROM I cannot get the RAM usage down low enough for TTS to work. It's a memory hog.
Anyone got any ideas (with the stock ROM - it's a corporate phone I should not re-flash)?
Filbert

Thanks for all the responses. I guess is nothig to worry about then.

576mb RAM

I have been wondering what is this 576mb RAM b******t?
when I open Coreplayer, Resco explorer, do some opera 10 surfing it says 63-65% RAM used, then if i try open some small program like calculator or anything it ends up in error, or if I open album it says not enough memory.
Using 2.12.50 radio, newest energy ROM, this same has occurred in EVERY ROM and EVERY RADIO ive tried.
So i say that is totally real getting more RAM.
65% of ram used is not 100% I can tell you.
Haven't checked real usage in mb but this annoys me.
why add that to ROMs when it doesn't do anything good other than look better having less memory used?

and 35 - 37% from 576 isn't 128meg either, so if it was just a trick(which it isn't) your numbers still wouldn't add up.
you have a different issue.

the album out of memory is a bug caused by having opera open at the same time.
do you have a reason to believe that the rest of your problems are memory related?
the 576 hack works fine and is real

I have the exact same setup as the OP and guess what? i have no issues at all with memory usage. I have no errors and i have even tested his senario on my phone and got nothing but pure bliss and speed.
Dude, your problem lies elsewhere. Next time do some proper testing before you go shooting your mouth off. Only makes you look silly.

hmh. Seems that I have to do some (lots) testing how much memory I can use etc.
Can hspl version have any effect in this?

no, it shouldn't.
your issue has been raised several times, and i remember seeing it in my old phones thread too, its more a windows mobile glitch than anything hardware.
for me, i'd back up and hard reset.

hmm For some strange reason while testing this I found that resco explorer + coreplayer with big playlist + opera + album == Deadly
but when opened everything else than album I got memory usage up to 77% with in use 343mb free 103mb. Seems ram works.
BUT when I got close to that magic 65% and over it windows started to close programs automatically, dont know if that is built in function or memory getting too low.
with cpu set to max speed it works pretty well even with 77% memory used.
randomly closes some programs from behind, once closed coreplayer while it was playing file..
internet explorer seems to be on its top list to close when memory getting low
now got it even up to 83% 364mb used/83mb free so I must say sorry for saying it was bull****.
Strangely though my daily programs make it say out of memory :E

i wont start on the hardcore technicalities of it, (there are wayyy more knowledgable people who have posted about it than me), but in brief, win mo has a limited number of slots for running programs (64 i think). When you fill all the slots, (dont forget system processes, not just user programs) it starts closing stuff down to free them up.
(very basic overview, not to be taken as fact )