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I have seen various makes / models on the market and I am thinking about a
SanDisk Ultra II 512 card
Does anyone have any experiance of this model
Ashby
512 SD card
what about a 1gb card has anyone got any suggestions on which one to get the o2 data support said that there are 1gb sd cards out there but all they've tested is up to 512 mb. They are firmly against the MMC cards but they couldn't explain why. The MMC card is cheaper.
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jkn said:
what about a 1gb card has anyone got any suggestions on which one to get the o2 data support said that there are 1gb sd cards out there but all they've tested is up to 512 mb. They are firmly against the MMC cards but they couldn't explain why. The MMC card is cheaper.
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The 1-GB SD cards only became available for purchase a little over a week ago.
The MMC is cheaper because it has a lower maximum transfer rate. But I have found many stores where the price of MMC and SD cards are the same.
Ultra II sd cards as far as i know only run at ultra speed if your sd-slot support it
ok guys any idea
how much a 1gb sd disk will cost, compatability and where from
cheers john
jkn said:
ok guys any idea
how much a 1gb sd disk will cost, compatability and where from
cheers john
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As far as I know, the only 1-GB SD card brand available now is SanDisk. The price is around US$395. Other brands will soon follow.
with the price of 1GB compared to 512 and 256 then i'd rather have more cards and switch between them like
1 for goat and sheep p0rn collection
1 for mp3 music
1 gps maps (if i had a gps device)
1 for programs
......
Rudegar said:
with the price of 1GB compared to 512 and 256 then i'd rather have more cards and switch between them like
1 for goat and sheep p0rn collection
1 for mp3 music
1 gps maps (if i had a gps device)
1 for programs
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totally agree
as only one has just come out it's likely to be quite expensive
but if people keep a look out they can let us know when other models come out and where to get the best prices
failing that they could swap their donkey porn collection that takes up less memory !
I use a Kingston 512mB SD, works well in the XDA II, no speed problems or loss of data. I use it mainly for camera images and large data files but also for my regular backup (Sprite Backup Premium) and several applications which I don't use often.
Ed
I have a 512mb ultra ii on order, for quicker access to gps maps and voice etc, and should receive it next week. I'll try to post back here when I've tried it, assuming that there is any discernable difference.
frankly speaking I use regular sandisk 512MB SD card only due to high price for everything with Kingston sticker on it, IMHO kingston has not been manufacturing memory cards for years but branding other manufacturers products, including memory ...
one thing that is of interest to me is .... whether these sandisk ultra II SD cards are really faster and to waht extent, especially considering the fact what is the SD card port in XDA / XDA II, i.e. what is the internal port speed limit as compared with new and speedy cards ??
regards, monika
PinkySlayer said:
I have a 512mb ultra ii on order, for quicker access to gps maps and voice etc, and should receive it next week. I'll try to post back here when I've tried it, assuming that there is any discernable difference.
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I've just received the ultra ii and although I haven't USED it yet, here are some benchmarks...
Internal Integral SanDisk Ultra II
Read MB/s 1.55 0.13 0.20
Write MB/s 0.10 0.02 0.68
Min Read ms 0.25 0.25 0.25
Max Read ms 1.50 9.75 8.5
Ave Read ms 0.32 4.14 2.43
Total Read ms 813 10368 6089
Min Write ms 0.25 0.75 0.28
Max Write ms 165 108 6.75
Ave Write ms 4.87 28.85 0.72
Total Write ms 12310 72246 1810
I've only done a quick test abd should really have repeated them several times and taken averages. However, this clearly shows that the Ultra is built to WRITE FAST, even blowing away my XDA II's internal storage.
sandisk 256MB
I just bought my second sandisk 256MB works fine for me, i bought it for my new NAVMAN 4410
I use a Kingston 512Mb
Works great, using it mostly for watching divx but I also have some music and GPS maps on it. In Sweden Kingston is much cheaper then Sandisk.
The only strange thing is that Im only able to use 488Mb...
The card was preformated so maybe thats a reason...
Steves digicams did a big test some time ago on compactflash memorys and the ultra memorys wasnt always faster. I would save the money and buy regular, its fast enough for the programs in the XDAII.
/miki
seem to recall that all sd cards give you less then they are labeld because of the secure encryption features which make SD cards different from mmc cards apart from being a bit thicker
has,nt anybody got any price,s?
I paid £129 through eBay.
Sandisk 512 Mb for € 159,-
www.geheugenkaart.be
So around £129 for an Ultra II or around £107 for a 'normal' one - I know which one I'd rather have!
thanks i think its time i get my wallet out.hehe
Can someone tell me the max capacity XDAII can take for SD card? Can I put either a 512 or 1G card in?
Thanks
Both is possible.
AFAIK there is no limit for SD-cards
FWIW, I'm using a 512MB Panasonic SD card and it seems to be OK.
HTH
since the sd card uses FAT16, I think that the limit would be something like 4GB.
but also I think that it should be possible to format a sdcard with multiple partitions.
just tried, under xp, it is also possible to format an sd card as fat32, the xda will read it too.
format DRIVELETTER: /fs:fat32
in that case the maximum size is 32GB.
Thanks!!!!!! All very useful information... Didn't know that you could specify the format.
At the moment, I find 256mb the most economical, although 512mb are only just slightly more expensive than two 256 cards. 1gb cards though are nearly 3 times the cost of 512 ones.
They are small and easily swapped over, and you can fit a lot on a 256 mb card. I can't see any point in buying a 1gb card until the price drops substantially.
That what I thought initially, but because I could get this 1GB card at a really cheap price, well less than £100 each ;-)
Where can u get a 1gb SD card for less than £100 - pls provide a link
I need 1 gb SD-card for my MDA-II. Which SD-card is the best in concern to write-speed?
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I need 1 gb SD-card for my MDA-II. Which SD-card is the best in concern to write-speed?
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I dont think you can use 1MB card on your meching, but if you can i dont mind buying one as well
You absolutely can use a 1GB SD card in the II - I have been using a SanDisk 1GB SD card in mine for several months now and it works flawlessly. It is not the fastest card available, but I have never seen any adverse performance from it. Granted, I do not watch movies with my II on a regular basis.
Is there no comparision available of the write/read-speed of the different 1 gb-cards??
not that i've seen try searching on google
or try looking in the benchmark part of pocket mechanics if they have some 1GB cards there
I'd alsolike to buy 1Gb SD CARD. Does anybody now if the following are any good and if they would work in a XDA1
http://www.memory4more.com/show.cgi?inhalt.htm has 1GB SD-Card Fast 45x Transcend Ultra Performance 45X for 103Euro +tax +shipping
http://www.aria.co.uk has brandless 1GB SD CARD for £48.5 + shipping
2 512 or 4 256 would be a better path imho
first of all with the few 1GB cards the lack of competition would mean slow speed and high price
higher then more of the other cards
a flash card have a limited number of writes before it join its ancestors in the world after having a flash card of 1GB is a bigger investment so having it being worn out is more of a drag
I am probably being naive here but with SD card prices so low now ....I cant understand why mobile manufacturers wont provide their devices with a "useable" capacity of memory .....
Or is the RAM memory very differant to SD memory ???
Is their a possibility of maybe in the near future, HTC launching a device with say a full gigabyte of onboard RAM ???
Yep, RAM is more expensive than ROM. By the way, this needs space which you just haven't in the Magician. It would also be too expensive, since a 1 GB card costs around 100 €, which is far too expensive for a manufacturer of these devices. Besides that, the magician is quite cheap in my opinion.
Dandie,
i think if i-mate provides us with the range of devices all would be happy and decide what to buy. e.g.:
-basic configuration - 64mb ram
-advanced conf - 64mb ram +512mb built in sd
-extreme 64mb ram +2gb built in sd
or whatever else breakdown is feasible or optimal. the price would respectively warry e.g. +$50; +$200.
i also don't see a problem to fit SD chip to device - its much smaller without body
it is also related to all device manufacturers. Since few of manufacturers do it i see some reasons for it:
1. low probable but: sd patent owners do not want to go for built in option or ask too much for it (but i know that some of the phone manufacturers already started production of the devices with build in miniSD chip);
2. it is not profitable or worthwhile from the marketing point of view;
3. I heard a lot from, people that SD cards are not very much reliable, sometimes it looses data, sometimes brokes. Thus it used for temporary storage purposes and nobody wants to take a risk with loosing your data…
4. and last but not least: they all are stupid and we here the only Einsteins who invented such simple way to increase memory
Although I have a 1GB SD Card in my JAM, I wouldn't want it to be built in. I'd rather take it out and put it in my card reader (USB 2.0) especially for transferring that 170MB DIVX file!
And what about those situations where you just give your SD card to your friend to copy stuff over and then back in your JAM?
And what about those situations where you just plug in your digi cam's SD card and have a quick view at the pics taken?
KTA,
nobody says "we want to replace external SD with built-in one" we say that we want to have both options: (i) BIG internal storage and (ii) SD/MMC slot for card.
internal storage would be used to keep our garbage on and forget about memory limit problems. And external for exchanging data with others, to move high-capacity data in and out and whatever else you want to use it for...
I never seen a person complaining on big HDD
Let people have an option!!!
Just guessing - but wouldn't there be an increase in power consumption with an increase in volatile memory?
Maybe the reason there is no 1gb RAM option in the PDA world today is that the battery life would be like 1 hour.
Mark One said:
Just guessing - but wouldn't there be an increase in power consumption with an increase in volatile memory?
Maybe the reason there is no 1gb RAM option in the PDA world today is that the battery life would be like 1 hour.
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*BINGO* you got the answer right... :wink:
- $
- Battery life...
- OS Stability with bigger memory...
- Speed of OS with Bigger memory will reduce...
The rest is history...
xirc0m, Mark One,
DAMN WRONG !!!!
* Question of money is not discussed since people want to have extra memory and ready to pay reasonably. Again, I assume several options to fit every pocket. Don’t want extra memory – buy basic version.
*Do you have increased consumption with SD card inserted? Then why it should be with built in sd card?
* OS Stability with bigger memory… guys, if I have 100gb harddrive and you have 30gb does it mean that os stability is much lower in my case? I doubt
*Speed of OS with Bigger memory will reduce... SPEED would remain the same! But if you want to access built-in storage then you’ll get the speed of sd card
let me reiterate again. The whole idea is to have one big sd card built-in and have another slot for external card. There is still may be fast RAM as usual devices have
I suspect the main one is battery life; unlike SD card, which uses flash memory, which does not require power to maintain its content, the device's RAM needs constant power to maintain its content; that's why when your battery goes dead, your card content is still there, but not your main memory. You may then ask why not use flash for main memory? That's because Flash has a limited number of writes (although for most people it's virtually limitless now), and is slower.
Did you see pictures of the PCB? There is just no space left for more/bigger chips. The only thing you can do is replace the current chips with ones of the same size but more memory. These are expensive. Adding another slot inside the case wouldn't really help, since you still need space for the socket and there would be another sensitive part with not soldered contacts. I guess devices with up to 512 MB ROM built in exist already but they are bigger than the Magician. Don't forget: The magician was the smallest PPC available when it was released. It even had the phone built in. Trust me: There is no space left. The SD-RAM memory upgrade availble is done by exchanging the current chip and the price of 200 € tells you that 1 GB is just not realistic. Even though Flash-ROM is cheaper, it would increase the price to about double i think (don't forget, the end customer price always is a lot higher than the manufacturing costs - at least double the price I'd say) - not really interesting.
So - wait for fast 2 GB SD cards to be released (I'm still waiting for my Sandisk Ultra 2GB for almost 6 months now) and there you have your 2 GB ...
Why not to solder chip on the circuit board then? No contacts, no connectors, just chip. Sure, there is no space now. But don’t forget that when circuit board was designed all components were distributed proportionally to cover all board. If you add new stuff – you redesign it and tighten components. It only seems that no more room.
I also agree that built-in sd price would be different from external sd. Again, 1gb, 2gb, 8gb – this is just talks; we discuss the idea on having chip flash memory built-in.
Well, there is a flash ROM chip built in, as you know. It has 64 MB and is used for the Storage, the Ext_ROM and the OS. There is an upgrade available that makes it 128 MB ROM - 200 bucks! And also, I don't agree with you saying theres enough space left on the Magician. There is no space left at all! This device is one of the most compact electronic devices on the market. There is not enough space for one single additional chip. You have to wait for either the other or the memory chips to decrease in size and/or increase in features/capacity/speed (what they do). The next device probably will have more RAM, more ROM - but not 1GB. That's for certain.
avyshnya said:
KTA,
I never seen a person complaining on big HDD
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Using your HDD example, I thought the issue here was not the size of the "HDD" but whether the HDD is internal or external.
Can you imagine HTC with 3 different production lines, each with a different "embedded-SD" size? I don't think so ...
RAM goes against the whole quick standby capability of the device. I can suspend my handset into a minimal amount power consumption mode and then resume it right back to where it was before without any loading delay.
With RAM, I would have to hibernate any volatile information to a persistent store which takes both time and space. Otherwise I need to keep power applied the RAM while in suspend mode which costs me in battery life. Neither of these options are very attractive.
Plus a RAM store is yet another memory store to juggle. The OS would have to be modified to use it and I already have enough stores between main menory and the expansion slot. I shouldn't need to juggle another one. Finally, PCB real estate and battery load is limited so I don't want to add another memory controller or memory that needs constant recharging as RAM does.
Maybe increasing the cache on the processor is the way to go.
Dudes !!
You misunderstand my question !!
Yes I think having a removable SD Card is ESSENTIAL !!
I dont want to replace the external SD card with just an internal one !!
With 2Gb and 4Gb cards on the horizon - I dont think I would require much more storage (for the time being anyway!)
What I mean is .... would there be a possibility in the future of RAM prices dropping and sizes reducing - so that we could have a JAM type device with about 1Gb of RAM instead of the crappy 64Mb ???
What I HATE is having to worry about taking up too much of the measly 64Mb RAM which would then slow down and make the JAM unstable ..... I want to be able to install most/all of my "apps" into Main/Storage and then use my SD card for just Music, Movies, Games etc ....
Hopefully the RAM would be non-volatile so would remain even after a hard reset so no more need for constant Backups and re-installing etc !
1Gb Main/Storage Memory + 4Gb SD Card Memory = Perfect Device !!
It just seems crazy to me that Removable storage is reaching for the sky ..... but most of the time I have to be careful what/where I install programs on my device in case it slows down or becomes unstable ....
64Mb Ram + 2,4,8,16,32Gb SD Card = So Crazy It Makes Me Sick !!!
PS - I hear that JAM version 2 will have 128Mb RAM and built-in WIFI .... so there is room in there after all !!!
1GB RAM would indeed be nice, but that would be too expensive. The SD cards aren't made the same way. They're cheaper but slower. Even the Storage is a lot slower (which I found out by doing simple tests).
PS - I hear that JAM version 2 will have 128Mb RAM and built-in WIFI .... so there is room in there after all !!!
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I bet that they will make it even smaller, because most of the parts in any device will get smaller over the time. When they developed the Magician there wasn't any room for anything more though.
Interesting article on the future of Flash Memory .....
http://www.tomshardware.com/business/20041112/index.html
Dandie said:
Well, there is a flash ROM chip built in, as you know. It has 64 MB and is used for the Storage, the Ext_ROM and the OS. There is an upgrade available that makes it 128 MB ROM - 200 bucks! And also, I don't agree with you saying theres enough space left on the Magician. There is no space left at all! This device is one of the most compact electronic devices on the market. There is not enough space for one single additional chip. You have to wait for either the other or the memory chips to decrease in size and/or increase in features/capacity/speed (what they do). The next device probably will have more RAM, more ROM - but not 1GB. That's for certain.
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I'd gladly trade the cheapo toy-grade camera they shoehorned into this thing for a more appropriate amount of memory - anytime. That's for sure!
grrrrrr..
i think, another reason for not putting a 1gb a internal memory is because the phone still cant stand to have that large appilcation running.. it will surely always lockup if a total of 1gb load of applications you put in there. not to say + the another 1gb in external.
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xirc0m, Mark One,
DAMN WRONG !!!!
* Question of money is not discussed since people want to have extra memory and ready to pay reasonably. Again, I assume several options to fit every pocket. Don’t want extra memory – buy basic version.
*Do you have increased consumption with SD card inserted? Then why it should be with built in sd card?
* OS Stability with bigger memory… guys, if I have 100gb harddrive and you have 30gb does it mean that os stability is much lower in my case? I doubt
*Speed of OS with Bigger memory will reduce... SPEED would remain the same! But if you want to access built-in storage then you’ll get the speed of sd card
let me reiterate again. The whole idea is to have one big sd card built-in and have another slot for external card. There is still may be fast RAM as usual devices have
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yo...avyshnya,
Guess you have never work in a Mobile Phone / a PDA device company before...or have you done any R&D on this...
As I mention above still valids...
-$ , its all about Marketing issue...you are not looking at their point of view.... anything is possible the throw in the big chunk of memory...Technology is there...but they will not excute that so fast...
- Consume more Batt...yes it does with more memory...to your naked eye...you do not see it... if you seriously benchmark it you will realise it does...whether its external or internal memory
- Stablity on OS... still does... you are talkin about your PC...this is no PC...its PocketPC... sorry you are not benchmarking in correct terms...
- Speed... go n do a benchmark...you will see it yourself...
Hi guy,
I have just recieved my Mda Vario II from T-Mobile and it great.
I need to get a memory card and cant decide what to go for 1Gb Utra II
or a 2Gb from Sandisk.
I want the extra space of the 2Gb but will the Ultra II being faster be better or does it not matter that much on a pda/phone.
I hope that with your experiences with memory cards someone can recommend the best option.
FIA
Hello mutsoft,
My opinion is that speed of the UltraII won't be noticeable. My choice goes to the extra space of the 2Gig memory.
Arnaud.
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My opinion is that speed of the UltraII won't be noticeable. My choice goes to the extra space of the 2Gig memory.
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This is also my opinion. I have a microsd 1 Giga that is already full. Now i'm looking to by a 2GB memory.
Thanks for your responses so far.
The 2Gb size on a single card does seem to be more usefull
and unless there is any technical reason for the faster card
I will go for that.
Wish i'd seen this earlier - just order UltraII 1GB.
Ah well, maybe by the time i fill this one another gig won't be too expensive
Hi a0-0b,
Still not purchased, still not decided.
Although its a little more expensive i am more concerned
about the impact in performance.
If its not noticable then overall per Gb the 2Gb card is better
priced than the Ultra II 1Gb.