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Has anyone started working on a wm6 port for the iPhone? Man, that'd be great to use this fantastic hardware with some flexability, upgradability, etc... Don't get me wrong, this is a great device, but let's face it: all it is, is an iPod with a phone built in and a few bells n whistles. You can't play with it the way you can a wm device!!
Any takers???
rofl.
this is quite funny - 2/3 of posts is about iphone solutions, and now i can see this post
i don't think thats possible...
who knows if the chipset is even compatible.
the only thing i would like to see ported from the iPhone to WM6 is the Safari Browser... that would be the only thing.
I can live without "Kinetic" Scrolling.
I have to agree with nothin its funny over 3/4 of the latest additions upgrades and themes all have the iphone touch to them and theres this guy asking to port our crappy MS interface to an iphone?? (BTW i love my crappy MS interface cuz theres so much i can do with it unlike the iphone which is "what u see is what u get" there aint much extra u can do with it)
Yeah but once you port WM over to the iPhone - you can skin it to look like an iPhone! If you figure this out, we outta all chip in, buy two iphone and send a fully skinned WM6.1 iPhone to Billy G (Stevie B now?) and Steve Jobs - maybe MS will get the hint to make cleaner better looking programs and Apple will take the hint to allow it's user's greater flexibility!
Quite frankly though, I suspect you'd have an easier time installing something like XP Embeded on it but that's just my 2 cents!
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... unlike the iphone which is "what u see is what u get" there aint much extra u can do with it
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Not true if you're willing to void the warranty and risk the issues in OTA upgrades. Not THAT far from how Verizon sees things, in some ways.
The *nix aspects of that thing are amazing. Unlock it and aim it at the internet and get MENUS of things to load with no "where's the cab file" or "how do I install this thing" issues.
A super-geek at the office got one and had all that stuff going while still running over WiFi (I guess, since he hadn't activated it yet). Impressive looking stuff if you're *nix savvy.
OpenBSD is indeed powerful and i would rather have THAT on my XDA II instead of WM6 on an iPhone.
The iPhone is a piece of useless crap unless you jailbreak it, and that does not conform to my understanding of freedom & flexibility.
In WM6 i just drop CAB's onto my Memory Card, execute it and then i'm good.
Maybe i could have looked over these shortcomings if the price was REASONABLE... which it's not.
I can get a TyTN II here in Germany for half the Price of the iPhone (around 160 Euros) with a contract.
If you try to get the iPhone without a contract, then it rips a 999 Euro Hole in your Pocket... and before i do that, i'll just save my Money for a TyTN II.
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If you try to get the iPhone without a contract, then it rips a 999 Euro Hole in your Pocket... and before i do that, i'll just save my Money for a TyTN II.
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untrue. in Herne a guy sells iphones without contracts for 450 €.
All I was saying when I started this thread is the iphone hardware is better than anything we have on the market now, and I like using WM6 because it's so flexable and you can have some real fun with it, and I'd like to join the two. If you enjoy your iphone the way it is, then this thread isn't for you...
Impossible? Compatability issues? HA! Me thinks not!!! That's what *DRIVERS* are for. They just need to be written, that's all. Good grief... WM6 is SOFTWARE, and so is iphone OSX. If some hardware, or firmware or software concept works under one, it can BE MADE TO work under the other. Just takes some imagination, some want-to, and ignore they nay-sayers.
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this guy asking to port our crappy MS interface to an iphone??
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No! Not the interface... THE ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEM!!! And while we're at it, lets make a totally new interface, like HTC's TouchFlo, so it's not so crappy, ey?
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(BTW i love my crappy MS interface cuz theres so much i can do with it unlike the iphone which is "what u see is what u get" there aint much extra u can do with it)
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MY POINT EXACTLY!!! Thanks dude
Anyway, I for one would love to run WM6 on the iphone, and no, I wouldn't skin it like an iphone. I don't want my WM6 pda to look like an iphone, even if it is one. I'd much rather see a totally new solution, like HTC did with the Touch, only way better than the Touch or the iphone. Not impossible... Y'all take care now...
mate. if the best developers here, who ahve years and years of experience cant write drivers for the kaiser and other similar devices hardware video acceleration, when if im honest, theyve been working on pretty similar devices for years.... how on earth are they meant to write drivers for an unknown chipset unknown processor, a touchscreen which no windows mobile device uses and a bunch of other stuff...
and its not like an iphone developer rather then a wm developer could write the drivers, because
a) the platform is very young, closed and nobody has much experience even writing programs for it, let alone drivers.
b) why would they want to, all iphone owners are fanboys and hate wm just because its wm.
Plus..... even though the real osx has been ported to pc's, it doesnt have many drivers at all, no wlan drivers and many other things missing... And, pc driver writing is so much more established than ppc writing, but they cant write drivers for the full osx, how will it be easy to write them for a downsized osx...?
Im not setting out to flame, its just to point out that its not exactly commonplace to port an os with full compatibility to another device which was before incompatible...
Rory
docnas said:
(BTW i love my crappy MS interface cuz theres so much i can do with it unlike the iphone which is "what u see is what u get" there aint much extra u can do with it)
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GREAT WORDS!
exactly!
HI,
This is my first post, i actually have been a member for a while, but never felt the need to make a new post because someone always had one. I was looking to see if its possible to get Wm6.1 or 6.5 for a nokia s60 aka nokia n97, because i have been looking for a new phone for a while and i have like been liking the Touch pro 2 but i noticed its too rounded and wide, and the tilt machanism is very weak, and lets be 4real, the spec sheet is the something as the old one except for the phones form factor and price, so i looked some more, and found the nokia n97. The phones spec sheet is soooo out of this world 32Gb built in, compass, wifi, 5mp cam with flash and a sexy form factor, its crazy. I used to have the n95 8gb, then i moved to the omnia, because just think bout it, nokia OS is the worst, and it cant be customized in anyway except color. So is there away to make allow it to have windows mobile 6.1 or 6.5, I hope so. Then that phone will be the best phone out offically, because you cant have a great phone without the greatest OS every made(WM). I have seen the iphone and the G1 running Wm, so im pretty sure that NOKIA'S top phone can run it.
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I highly doubt that the N95 hardware is supported by WM6.1 or 6.5. You probably have to write drivers for all of it.
I highly doubt it. If I'm correct, each version of windows mobile is extremely tailored to the device it's intended for, so you'd have to do a lot of work to port it. And as JR_de said, you'd have to write all the drivers for every piece of hardware. And even if you did that, it's unlikely you could ever get things like the camera working. And to make things worse, the device runs at a resolution not supported by Windows Mobile.
And I've watched most of the videos claiming Winmo was running on unsupported devices like the iPhone, and for many of the same reasons here, I would say that they're fake, especially when you take into account the unsupported hardware and screen resolutions, and that capacitive screens are currently not supported. I think a lot of them look like animated GIFs. So the short answer is: I would say it's close to impossible, if not so, to get Windows Mobile on a Nokia N97.
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haha +1 for that.
You probably have to write drivers for all of it.
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mission impossible..ehh..
i think N97 is a stupid phone if you compare with touch HD, why everyone want to use it and call it is smartphone
PS:nokia call it is competitor of iphone
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you are the man for that comment!:d
please use the Q&A section instead.
thank you
NO MULTITASKING NO FILE EXPLORER
enough for me will buy leo and not go on wp7 WHY??????
IF I want nice OS can take Iphone or nokia s4o and get all like new wp7,but if anyone want mobile computer....... wp7 is nice good looking and thats it no more hacker boosting cant go in system well I could do that 4 y ago in my 66oo and want to do that now. microsoft make big big mistake windows mobile will lose lots of users.I will go on 6.5 and hd2 or will wait little more for maemo6 and see what device will go with it but windows phone 7 is big disappointment for me and cant understand why microsoft do this.
Wait for yours opinion guys
dont know if all these windows phone 7 rumours are true but if they are and it looks like the vids we are seeing im going to android next.
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dont know if all these windows phone 7 rumours are true but if they are and it looks like the vids we are seeing im going to android next.
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Yep, I agree.
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sharpey said:
dont know if all these windows phone 7 rumours are true but if they are and it looks like the vids we are seeing im going to android next.
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Yep, I agree.
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+1 here
when the rumors come true, my next device is definitely android/maemo/meego.
One of the reasons I have been using WM and HTC phones for the last 4 years is because I absolutely love tinkering with them, I don't think more than a couple of days pass without me doing something to the phone with new mods or apps.
A fixed OS would be a big turn off for me, I love the ability to customize my phone and just mess about with it, wherever I am.
I was WinMo then switched to Android for about 15 days with G1 phone... then returned it all together (2 times two different devices) and got myself Symbian )e71) which I use now. I was tired of touchscreen a bit and had no problem going to smartphone... since I wanted iphone that is not iphone litteraly I read the review if no touchscreen is a must - E71 is a way to go... review did not dissapoint. I quite happy user but that was about 2 years ago... I am now ready for another phone and it will be either MeeGo device (Nokia+Intel), Maemo (n900) or HD2. I am not thinking Windows 7 Phone for numerous reasons...
iPhone I do not want... Androids are simply NOT THAT SMOOTH as advertised but all models are simply compared to the previous Android device and blown out of proportion how better it is... problem is I want something that opens stuff in the blink of an eye, that has no bugs, that hold battery enough for me to operate on my stuff I need (1 days is kewl) and that's it... oh yeah - I want Garmin XT installed which I have now and my other choice is HD2 besides Symbian S60 devices... Nokia Touchscreen is not that perfect yet - so my favorite now is HD2 - however, I will not get it yet - I want to see massive reviews from people that get it...
i love htc sense and i will follow it to android
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i love htc sense and i will follow it to android
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I'm leaving android sense for a hd2. android sense is nothinglike the winmo sense.
HD2 is just fine plus i am sure they will at some point make the WM7 avaible for it. And if not - the shefs will manage to cook similar roms.
Plus - waiting sucks, i've already waited way too long for the Leo and it was worth it!
I'm not sure this is the correct place for this, but it seems the most logical to me.
http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/49052-microsoft-says-it-wont-abandon-windows-mobile-65
Microsoft recently announced that it won't stop or abandon WM6.5 because of the release of Windows Phone 7 Series.
Microsoft has reiterated that it will continue to support, ship and sell Mobile 6.5 alongside Windows Phone 7.
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this is just nonsense.
In another word, M$ won't stop you from buying wm6 if you want.
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I'm not sure this is the correct place for this, but it seems the most logical to me.
http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/49052-microsoft-says-it-wont-abandon-windows-mobile-65
Microsoft recently announced that it won't stop or abandon WM6.5 because of the release of Windows Phone 7 Series.
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Wondering how MS not abandoning WinMo 6.5. What else are they ganna do about 6.5 They abandoning 6.5 long time ago.......WP7 is just another iphone wanna be. Apple doing pretty good on that, we dont need MS for another iphone.
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Wondering how MS not abandoning WinMo 6.5. What else are they ganna do about 6.5 They abandoning 6.5 long time ago.......WP7 is just another iphone wanna be. Apple doing pretty good on that, we dont need MS for another iphone.
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wp7 doesn't have a filemanager, not really multitasking or like such things.. So tweakers wouldn't like wp7 very much. it's too iphone. for the tweakers (and some other guys ) they will sell wm6.5 alongside wp7
What a horrible move. Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead.
WP7 is not an iPhone. It's the next generation of smartphones. I don't think you need a file manager if every hub / app is able to organise its files automatically. Unless you like running cracks and keygens...
WP7 has smart multitasking so the OS doesn't lag (well, you want full multitask and get the 6.5 lag amirite?). It freezes apps when they are in the background. So your game pauses and doesn't need to take up CPU for no reason. Browsers will probably be enabled to load in the background, music played in the background, etc.
The N97 got flamed because of the pathetic Symbian OS. I don't see why people think 6.5 is still competent.
What a horrible move. Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead.
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You are ridiculous.
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It freezes apps when they are in the background. So your game pauses and doesn't need to take up CPU for no reason.
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PM me, if your wm7 device will be able to keep 7 days on 1 battery charge, like my 4 y.o. Asus.
It freezes apps when they are in the background. So your game pauses and doesn't need to take up CPU for no reason.
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You are ridiculous.
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PM me, if your wm7 device will be able to keep 7 days on 1 battery charge, like my 4 y.o. Asus.
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I'm ridiculous why? I said they should try. I was drawing parallels between the flamed N97 and 6.5; 6.5 isn't even flamed that much because everyone's given up on it.
I'm looking at peers running Android and iPhone OS and 6.5 is simply not competent. A screen tap is a screen tap. It should immediately register.
Don't flame just because you love your Microsoft. I support them too, but I support the change to WP7.
I have a 2-3 year old device that doesn't last 1 day. So there's your "WM6" argument dead.
Welcome to 2010. We charge everyday when we get home.
EDIT: You're running 6.1, so wow. I'm not going to argue then, since you don't seem to have much design taste.
What bothers me about WM7 is that MS seems to be taking the OS to Iphone OS version 1. While Apple is coming with a new OS that features multitasking, copy/paste because their customer base lamented these omissions, MS consciously chose to follow in their mistaken footsteps?
Doesn't make sense to me.
parallels between the flamed N97 and 6.5
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you should realize that parallelling phone and PDA i not good idea too...
I have a 2-3 year old device that doesn't last 1 day.
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Well, ask HTC about it. OMAP and 1 day lifetime? You need to buy phone, imho.
So there's your "WM6" argument dead.
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I meant that wm7 and its ADVANCED powersaving is jut propaganda bs.
Welcome to 2010. We charge everyday when we get home.
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I like to think that i do not need unneccesary changes. I am not marketplace user.
EDIT: You're running 6.1, so wow. I'm not going to argue then, since you don't seem to have much design taste.
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you know, do not judge me like that, plz..i did not need even wm05 to make my thoughts looking nicer, than your wm7. or your 6.5 http://pdaclub.pl/forum/pocket-pc-ogolnie/nothin'-at-all/. actually, 4 yr later, i am happy with 6.1ized wm 6.5 with cutoff bull**** you all like. do not teach me about taste.
sry for ot, g'night, g'luck.
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you should realize that parallelling phone and PDA i not good idea too...
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Both WinMo phones & N97 have a touchscreen, make calls (WinMo is a phone. Smartphone. Not PDA.), why can't I draw a comparison there?
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...Well, ask HTC about it. OMAP and 1 day lifetime? You need to buy phone, imho...
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It's an older battery now, but it never lasted more than 2 days. I use the touchscreen alot, full brightness, I use WiFi + data...because these are services that we use on smartphones these days. Do you save battery by leaving it in your pocket, to only pick up a call or reply to an SMS? Because then, why are you using a smartphone?
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...I meant that wm7 and its ADVANCED powersaving is jut propaganda bs...
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Advanced powersaving? The new devices have vicious hardware. They burn more battery. And I never saw anything about powersaving for that matter - the MIX2010 conference highlighted the fact that they are building around the idea that you recharge everyday because the battery will go flat. Because that is the way it works in 2010. You want to charge weekly, then you stick with your old phone. I can expand my "no taste" argument to accommodate this - you don't want to change from old (to consumers and Microsoft) ways, and therefore you are not going to catered for by the mainstream.
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...you know, do not judge me like that, plz..i did not need even wm05 to make my thoughts looking nicer, than your wm7. or your 6.5 http://pdaclub.pl/forum/pocket-pc-ogolnie/nothin'-at-all/. actually, 4 yr later, i am happy with 6.1ized wm 6.5 with cutoff bull**** you all like. do not teach me about taste...
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No idea what you are talking about with WM5 - are you saying you prefer 5 to 7, and you actually like 6.1 in comparison to the phones of 2010 (therefore backing up my "no taste" argument)? And thanks for giving a link to a page in Polish. No, I'm not going to bother translate it, because I don't think I should adapt to the translate feature that is present in Google Chrome. By cutoff bull****, are you referring to the cutoff feel of the WP7 UI? It's a design cue that many have embraced, pretty much none have flamed since the release of Zune HD. Hence, your viewpoint is again the minority.
I have absolutely no idea what you are basing your arguments off, brother. Sorry if you are offended that I targeted your sense of taste, but why so touchy? Maybe you should go get a non-touch phone, better battery life.
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What bothers me about WM7 is that MS seems to be taking the OS to Iphone OS version 1. While Apple is coming with a new OS that features multitasking, copy/paste because their customer base lamented these omissions, MS consciously chose to follow in their mistaken footsteps?
Doesn't make sense to me.
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Copy & Paste is getting implemented, but in a far better way. MS needs to release the OS to OEMs, so they don't have time to implement it for release. It will come in an update. Link
I've stated how multitasking works in 2 ways - either running in background, or freezing in background. Picture Link Running in background only supports the default hubs and apps at the moment, but they are incorporating 3rd party multitasking in an update. Microsoft has never been great at meeting deadlines, but this isn't any way the fault of the OS. Link
MAybe......
Lumic said:
What a horrible move. Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead.
WP7 is not an iPhone.
The N97 got flamed because of the pathetic Symbian OS. I don't see why people think 6.5 is still competent.
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Have to quote here:
"Microsoft should try to get all WM6.5 users to upgrade to WP7 (discount for tradein or something?), then leave 6.5 dead."
This doesnt seem like sense to me - we have many many markets over the world that are only just catching on with tech that UK and some Euro/US users have had for years.
Some countries will be using old OMAP processors and Windows 6.5 for a few years yet, some countries dont even have this kind of tech avilable anywhere!
Well off users with 1 year old OMAP crap tech will want to update to this new Gen - we were all sold duffers with the last 2 generations:
Rhodium, touch pro 1 all the others slow unweidly devices.
I can vouch for this personally, having had HTC tech (1 every gen) since HTC Canary smartphone was released in 2003.
My HD2 is what I would call useable for day to day people. My Rhodium is just to slow and prone to freeze even with newest ROMS and software. IF I gave, for example, my Mum a Rhodium she would go mad - like dial up internet, very frustrating when you have seen faster she expects things to happen straight away.
However, if a non tech savy person (my mum) was to use my HD2 they would have much less trouble even though its running windows mobile 6.5 - the user experience is so much easier and more comfortable. They dont need windows mobile 7, they just need decent tech powering their device.
"WP7 is not an iPhone. "
I think many people would disagree, it seems MS have taken EVERY cue possible from the last few generations of iphone when putting together their plans for this round of Windows 7 phone series - we will see what happens when new Xbox and PC OS is released how much further they will go with integration in newer builds (hopefully lots further!)
"The N97 got flamed because of the pathetic Symbian OS. I don't see why people think 6.5 is still competent."
Not entirely. The N97 runs S60 V5 (now known as Symbian OS ^1 or something) this is a limiting OS BUT.....the hardware of the N97 is where the trouble is. They removed the 3d Chip, the phone doesnt have enough RAM, Keyboard sucks compared to my Rhodium.
Samsung released their I8910 which ran same OS but had Milestone/Iphone 3gs tech inside it. I had one and browsing with Opera 10 and media playback on it was AWESOME!
Other firmware features did let the phone down (samsungs fault)
Nokia made history with N95 and other similar devices.
Such amazing, perfect devices for their time, similar to Iphone.
Everyone thought that the N97 would pick up where the N95 left off but it couldnt as they were splitting their Os's from S60 V3 over to Symbian Foundation and also Maemo...meego etc..
It would take a couple of generations before things settled.
Its going to be the same for MS with their 7 Series phones....They will need to run both OS's along side each other for a long while yet given the size of this world and their market divergance.
Maybe MS will do a similar split?>
7 Series for Media/social networing whores
Some sort of return to windows CE for more advaced users?
Maybe I dont care as Android will take over Windows Mobile 6.5 perfectly for me
I would love to know where tech will be in 10 years time!
Folding multi OS devices that change shape and beam holographic style!
I think things are ramping up to change very quickly, OS shelf life is going to shrink as hardare jumps ahead of it with increasing leaps.
Exciting lol!
The hardware is promising, is there any opportunity any cooked rom like X2 Rom can work for X10?
I don't really see why you would like WinMo on that phone.
Android is a nice platform as well as Windows Mobile. and it got a better market place.
It is probably possible, but then people needs to get they're hands on drivers and so on first.
I hope it meant to be a joke... Windows Mobile is a piece of ****, I am more than ready to forget it for the rest of my life. Ahh and Windows Mobile 7 seems to be even worse, thanks to the removal of multitasking, the sole reason I used WinMo for years.
well when i first saw this phone i was like I GOTTA HAVE THAT PHONE... then i saw it ran android Q.Q and my dream phone got flushed in the toilet before even getting it!!! so its a very legit question if anyone have any interest in porting winmo to it!!! i love winmo and i have so many programs for it... but ill probably buy it anyway even if it got the little green leprechaun in it... or should i wait for a SE wp7s... haha jk thatll be like 2 years from now if im lucky.....
Why not just go with the HD2?
Windows mobile is terrible and outdated, android owns it in every way, why would you take it over WM? Also if you want WM that badly with awesome hardware just get the HD2, thats like people asking for the supersonic to have WM LOL, sure the Supersonic is better a bit hardware wise, but not by a crazy margin imo.
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Windows mobile is terrible and outdated, android owns it in every way, why would you take it over WM? Also if you want WM that badly with awesome hardware just get the HD2, thats like people asking for the supersonic to have WM LOL, sure the Supersonic is better a bit hardware wise, but not by a crazy margin imo.
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Sigh... WinMo is still the most productive, customizable and functional OS out there. Also, the best busineess solution.
Andorid is still in diapers. Maybe one day it will be able to do as much as WinMo, but for now, it can't.
I agree that there is no sense in porting a different OS to a phone not made for it, except if it's dual-boot, which is cool.
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Sigh... WinMo is still the most productive, customizable and functional OS out there. Also, the best busineess solution.
Andorid is still in diapers. Maybe one day it will be able to do as much as WinMo, but for now, it can't.
I agree that there is no sense in porting a different OS to a phone not made for it, except if it's dual-boot, which is cool.
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dual-boot would be awesome! its true what you write about android and winmo!
and to the other post i really dont want the hd2... i dont think it is apealing to me the x10 is the nicest design ive seen in a phone for awhile imo! plus in Sweden at least you get the blue tooth headset with it! which is a big plus!
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I hope it meant to be a joke... Windows Mobile is a piece of ****, I am more than ready to forget it for the rest of my life. Ahh and Windows Mobile 7 seems to be even worse, thanks to the removal of multitasking, the sole reason I used WinMo for years.
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I Agreed.