flybook A33i it does most things the shift can do with enougth funds left (got one with extras for a bargain price) to keep my athena or artemis if i choose so i dont lose gps or i might just get a bt gps receiver but this was a bargain it even makes phone calls out of the box
Agreed , I am sick of waiiting ! and more to the point - since waiting for the Shift , which I was DEFINATELY going to buy , even though I had just bought an Ameo, I have bought two similar devices
I bought an Advent U1a - which is the same as a Tabletkiosk i7209 , I have uprgraded the ram to 2GB and the thing absolutely flies now ! I am using it with a Hawaei E220 USB modem , and a tiny little usb keyboard
Also , I have an Asus EEE PC ,
I paid £199 (!!) for the U1A (plus £30 for the RAM and £20 for the keyboard ) - I also paid £99 for the USB modem , which gives me HSDPA - so lets say £350 for a device that may not look as pretty as the Shift , But I'd bet it outperforms it !
And then there is the EEE PC , OK , pitifull amount of storage (4GB) - but I have an 8GB SD card - £220
Having enjoyed these two for a good few weeks ( months , in the case of the Advent) - I really wouldn't be able to justify the huge cost of the Shift anymore - and beleive me , I am not normally one to 'cop out' of these things on the basis of price
If the Shift had been available 6 months ago , I would have bought one - no question !
But for me it is too late !
Battery Time
I am looking for a device with a loooong battery time. If the shift could run a full Windows Mobile there would be no alternative (with possibillity to switch to full windows that is).
So, I will still wait for the shift, and then wait some more untill someone can get full WM to run on it.
Unless one of you know a nice UMPC that has a battery life of about 5 hours? Because that would just do for me.
greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
It is my understanding that the shift does run full Windows mobile 6. Atleast thats what i saw on engadget when the guy from australia or wherever tested it.
Hi, with Shift and Ameo you can make Phone calls too, is this also possible with the other devices you mentioned?
Advent U1a
Flybook
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correct the shift runs full wm6. i have tooked the latest htc shift's snapvue TODAY SCREEN(caps to enphasize its just a plugin not a whole interference) plugin yes its just plugin that limits the wm6 and put it on my athena and i had a full replica snapvue interface.
this is what happens with the snapvue plugin:
there is a exe that is in startup that hides that title bar.
snapvue.tsk is executed during customizations/first start and that give it black bars top and bottom
reg edit is done that removes the text and regular softkeys and makes them go to a dummy app that does nothing so if u click that area nothing happens.
snavue's dll hides the start menu and makes sure not even hard buttons(atleast not the athenas) bring it up.
snapvue is made to be the only today screen plugin to show so it is full screen.
in windows folder there is a folder created that is called settings and the settings button in snapvue goes to that folder so u can see most of ur regular settings that u would have access to if u had full start menu. this is done via apps like phone link, alarm, etc being put into windows folder and links to them in the settings folder.
i believe that is everything. remove the exe from startup and u have the title bar back. change softkeys back to calendar and contacts and those are back. remove/replace dll for snapvue and ull have startmenu back.
ull then have windows live, media player, connection setup and rest of the regular windows mobie 6 apps back minus all the new htc apps. snapvue and connection setup are only htc apps i saw in the shift rom.
the shift does have a full wm6 with qualcomm 7200. just needs to be unhidden.
now the question is why hide the rest of wm6. my guess is that since vista is there it has all the apps of wm6 like media player, internet explorer, etc... but in their desktop full version so why have the wm6 versions there 2. on the other hand wm6 uses less power than vista so we'll have to re enable all those again.
I can confirm all this as I've unlocked it in a december version. Pocket informant install just fine on it.
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Hi, with Shift and Ameo you can make Phone calls too, is this also possible with the other devices you mentioned?
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In a VOIP Kind of way - then yes , Skype works fine , Plus it is easy to send SMS's on the network the standard way
Flybook does everything a mobile can do its a fantastic machine.........,
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Flybook does everything a mobile can do its a fantastic machine.........,
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I have one, it rocks
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correct the shift runs full wm6. i have tooked the latest htc shift's snapvue TODAY SCREEN(caps to enphasize its just a plugin not a whole interference) plugin yes its just plugin that limits the wm6 and put it on my athena and i had a full replica snapvue interface.
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That is great news That makes it worth waiting a bit more.
b.t.w. Will Pocket Office be in there too?
greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
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Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree.
I own the Flybook V33i for some while now and always it is a nice piece of hardware, it isn't even close to what I expected.
If you have the money, go for the Flybook V5 instead. Battery life is almost the same but you get the power of a dualcore processor.
I also own a Samsung Q1 Ultra Baron (UMTS/HSDPA), nice piece of hardware too, updated from Windows XP Tablet to Vista Ultimate (better touchscreen support) and added another Gig of RAM to the already available 1GB RAM, resulting in a pretty decent performance with 2GB RAM and the Intel 9xx GPU. The Intel Stealey processor with it's slow 800 MHz is no real performer, I have huge problems running iTunes DRM protected TV shows/movies, the stuttering is always present (and yes, I already tweaked a couple of things).
My latest acquisition is a OQO e2, 1GB RAM, 32GB SSD, HSDPA with Vista Business, a very impressive piece of hardware, you can't even imagine how small this thing is, most people think this is an old Pocket PC when they see me pulling it out of my jacket's pocket.
Unfortunately the performance isn't that great, 1GB RAM are not really enough for Windows Vista and the WiFi/WWAN reception isn't the best either but it works pretty well, no real chance with iTunes videos despite the 1.6 GHz processor speed (VIA sucks big time!) but otherwise the performance is good enough to keep you going. The 32GB SSD is a MUST since the faster transfer(mostly reading) times enhance performance a lot and somehow "cover" the slow CPU/GPU performance. With 2GB RAM, Intel Core 2 Duo ULV processor and a 64GB SSD(available soon from OQO), this would be my dream machine but unfortunately the OQO engineers seem to have different priorities. I still have high hopes getting the Sony UX next generation with the specs I was hoping for but right now, I can actually only recommend the Flybook V5, battery life however is not really that great.
I had the Flybook A33i for a week and returned it, it wasn't the performance/weight/size package I was looking for. The V33i is definetely a huge step forward but the most decent performance you can get from Dialogue is the V5, highly recommended.
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Hi,
Does anyone have any idea what the next "best" HTC device to replace the Universal will be? Or from any other manufacturer for that matter...
Better Battery?
Faster CPU?
etc etc
Cheers,
I've been wondering this myself. I'm quite taken by the Loox T830, unfortunately it's only got a 240x240 screen, but that might be sufficient if the actual device is small enough. Would make a refreshing change from the bulk of my JasJar.
I think we'll be waiting a pretty long time for something that truly outdoes the JasJar on all fronts...
Maybe a fast Universal with no memory leaks and more storage space...
don't hold back ssarl, say what you think lol! but I have to agree, shame they don't make a linux or osx based one eh!
Maybe HTC Trinity??
No idea, how the specs of this device are ...
I love my Exec, but wish the battery was of a higher capacity.
My next device will be the same shape hopefully (love the twisting faux-notebook clamshell design) but a tad smaller - theres wasted space around the screen I could live without!
It'll continue to take a full SD card, nothing less, it'll hopefully have a 4 to 8Gb hard drive, it'll have 3G AND quad band, it'll be pre-loaded with the Bluetooth Stereo and Bluetooth Remote Control Profiles, it'll have Opera in ROM (I can dream!), it'll come with the MS Voice Command software in ROM too, and I'll get it for less than £130 on contract at xmas, just like my Exec.
Oh and the MSN Messenger will use the front facing cam too as a webcam.
Make it happen MS/HTC/O2. And by the 20th of December this year pls. Daddy needs a new toy this christmas.
EDIT: Yeah, GPS too, latest SIRF chipset please - how could I forget that?
What he said, but with built in GPS.
Oh, and a microwave would benice too
Pick the Advance TC M.A.G.I.C. From my take, this is the best device possible to upgrade to:
http://www.advancetc.com/
That M.A.G.I.C. does look pretty good, but after the Uni, I'll be going for something a little smaller.
Not sure if they'll ever see the light of day, but did anyone see the devices from a new Chinese OEM that appeared on engadgetmobile.com yesterday? They look fairly promising, WM5, WCDMA, WiFi, GPS, USB OTG, 512Mb RAM & ROM, 2Mpx Camera, etc, etc.
They'll probably take about a year to come out in China, let alone anywhere else (and that's assuming it isn't vapourware from the start), but they're the sort of specs that I'll be looking for when I upgrade.
I'd like a decent FM radio - I'd like to listen to Radio 4 on the way to work.
www.dualcor.com
I really like this one...
Windows XP Tablet Pc Edition and Windows Mobile 5 in one device.
40 GIG hard drive.
1 GIG ddr2 ram an 1 GIG NAND Flash Memory.
3 USB 2 ports etc etc
The only thing I mis is a hardware keyboard.
Rene
rene01 said:
www.dualcor.com
I really like this one...
Windows XP Tablet Pc Edition and Windows Mobile 5 in one device.
40 GIG hard drive.
1 GIG ddr2 ram an 1 GIG NAND Flash Memory.
3 USB 2 ports etc etc
The only thing I mis is a hardware keyboard.
Rene
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I like the widescreen 800x480 screen that the dualcor has... shame about the keyboard though. Since upgrading from an XDA II to EXEC i have come to realise the usefulness of a built-in keyboard.
being able to run xp is brilliant too... it would be nice to be able to run win xp based programs/games that you really need...
The dual cor is nice, but it would probably leave a huge burn mark on our pockets.
I do prefer Linux... But if something can run XP it can run Linux )
Hopefuly...
Cheers!
Chris
Suggest that you look at the Sharp Zaurus SL-C3200 if you want LINUX.
Similar size to the Universal including swivel screen & real VGA with 6gb hard disk as well as CF & SD slots, but no phone facilities. It can run a number of different LINUX distros.
I use my Zaurus alongside the Universal for the things that the Universal cant handle.
Mike
Mike,
Thanks
But there are some problems.
1st of all I need TomTom.
2nd I need phone I just can't imagine caring TWO devices all the time
Also, I do need email, web browser, keyboard etc
At this moment ONLY Universal seems to be doing the trick.
Thanks anyway!
Cheers!
Chris
Then it's quite clear: the M.A.G.I.C. is for you!!
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Except that does not have a VGA screen, is bigger than the Universal, and since it has 512mb of ram will have around an hours battery life...
Basically, I would'nt count on it. :roll:
Whell guys.... Im just waitting to put my hands on a SE p990....
This universal busness is starting to suck.... btooth is a major flaw.... the signal stinks compared to £30 mobile phones... wifi is also another disapointment with poor range.....and as for the battery wont even mention that..... I was willing to put up with its size since previous I had to carry both a pda and a phone separatelly but....
....This would be a very nice device for my daily buisness runnings withouth a doubt but unfortunatelly as it stands its only good in my opinion for enthusiastic people that like to have a good mess around with it.... as far as a buisness tool as it was intended or at least marketed its just a failure until such further development...
At least with sony on knows that it will be released singing and dancing and also that nice uiq system....
Ill buy a p990 and keep this one for a while still and see how things go before i blow my trompet any further :roll:
BR
hum maybe about 2gb storage 128ram faster access time on data, wifi that lets u log on with out the need for ssid enabled @ the router , full size vids in media player "tcptp" ect, ect, :evil: not fan of adding stuff that was in xda ii,(I think but all my vids were low res similar size to screen) ow maybe composite video out, audio out is just gr8 don’t go backward’s 3.5 jack is gr8 , hum maybe similar keyboard that was on Psion 5 but it's not too bad as it is. A descent bt stack & mapping of network resources like printers, hard drives. USB port that hosts & maybe have an accessory power pack on cable to run hi power devices for longer times. 5mp camera and msn messenger that supports webcam & bt head set for chat & possibly file transfer.
:lol: we all can dream, would be nice to watch vids like I used to on my xdaii but it just is not fast enough running @ 640 * 480 and all my old vids are now too small in media player and not really wanting to add more space taking software
:lol: ow well defiantly went over board but would be nice though
I thought I would like to open a new thread for Athena and Shift comparsion. So the information would be more organized. For those who own both Shift and Athena, please your feedback highly appreciated. Anything at all, you regret your shift, or what you don't like about shift? or you love your shift until you want to let your Athena go?
@Wu5262 I thought you mention that you will never consider the Shift?
Thank you in Advance
I would mention what I like about Athena:
I'm using my Athena pretty much 12x7. All my data is pretty much synchronized to my laptop. I could get an instant on with Athena which I appreciate a lot. I could open many word documents with windows mobile 6 with high responsiveness. Snappiness is great when you need to retrieve any information quickly from time to time. I always keep my Athena in my pocket(Using Hugo Boss Dress Pant fit nicely) where ever I go even to Universal Studio until my Athena Dented from the rides(Duh!). It's got Dictionary for Business, Medical, and English, which I find to be very helpful for day to day basis. I have PocketBreeze to organize all my tasks and calendar at the very front of today's screen. That's the first thing in the morning that i would look at when I just turn on my Athena to organize the rest of my day. A Kick Ass Pocket Informant. I also have all my important documents and data on the laptop being stored in the Athena microdrives. Excellent battery life with USB Based car charger which is a big plus convenience. Opera lets me browse through many websites with a breeze. A big high quality 5 inch screen that doesn't strain my eyes. I own Thinkpad T60 and IMO the screen in Athena is better. I could still get fatigue with Thinkpad's screen, not sure why. All I need out of Athena is an even bigger, faster storage, and faster processor system. Speed is my upmost number one priority. My boss often calls me for an information and therefore I need to provide him the soonest or ELSE.
Minor Shortcomings: Slow Charging
Shift is tempting, but I'm afraid I may regret my purchase. I don't have the luxury to try out this baby before buying.
great post, i was thinking the same. at first there was the attraction to the shift, but now, i could get the blu ray burner vaio from comet for a shift. and keep my athena...
says it all really
Rory
PPC may do 80% of daily application, it's necessary to do some bank, AUTOCAD, and some others application under winxp when you are outside, I think winxp is enough, no need Vista.
only reason to use shift is for the vista apps that cant be found on wm.
It kind of funny you started this thread tonight - I just happened to take out my HTC x7501 tonight and have both of them out on my desk at atm. I have been torn ever since I have gotten my shift. I have been trying to use the shift only and see if it will fit all my needs. For my needs and think yours from reading your post you want to compare the WM6 side. The Vista side of the shift was supposed to be more of bonus for me to make it even more usefull. I had mistakenly thought shift's WM side would be as powerful as the x7501 right out of the box. I was very much mistaken. Till a cooked rom comes out for the shift it has many short coming compared to the x7501 on the WM side. No GPS, limited storage space and no camera functions. No external buttons that work in slate mode. So currently there is no comparsion needed. If I was compare the devices assuming a cooked rom will give us these things here is my take.
I see two major pros for the shift over the advantage.
The biggest pro for the shift is the screen. Both the size and the color/brightness of the shift's screen is a big plus. The shift's screen is hands down nicer screen. The useable shift screen size on the WM side is sligthly bigger than the entire x7501 device. The bigger sceen makes using your finger to navigate even better. It is also a boon for reading emails or ebooks. The second is the keyboard. The keyboard on the shift is way better than the x7501. It is bigger and has great feedback. It is a joy to type out an email mesage on the WM6 side of the shift compared to the x7501.
The biggest pros for the x7501 over the shift is it size ???
I know I just said the same thing about shift. But when you carry the x7501 around it is small enough to put in coat or jacket pocket and it form factor makes it look likea small book. Compare that to the "man bag" the shift is carried around in. The shift is much bigger and heaver to drag around. The shift dose not fit into any pockets of any jacket I own, and even if it did it is to heavy would weight down on that side of your jacket. The other pro of the x7501 over shift is its storage choices having the bigger internal memory, a mini sd card, and a hardrive. That is just sweet! Even after the shift rom is cooked it never be able to compete with x7501 in this area. I worry that I will always be wanting in this area with my shift.
You know I could go round and round with pros and cons both devices are nice, sexy looking and have features that other does not have. I don't know if I will ever be 100% happy with either now that I have both. I think I will have to hold on to both and visit this again after a cooked rom comes out for the shift. Till then I will probably keep switching back and forth and wishing that I took other device with me instead after a while.
I don't If I helped answer question but I sure have made myself confused now
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It kind of funny you started this thread tonight - I just happened to take out my HTC x7501 tonight and have both of them out on my desk at atm. I have been torn ever since I have gotten my shift. I have been trying to use the shift only and see if it will fit all my needs. For my needs and think yours from reading ....
I don't If I helped answer question but I sure have made myself confused now
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shift should i think be bought for the reason of u wanting a umpc. the wm side is not so good right now. shift is a nice device but has a bit too many shortcomings out of the box. it will be nice once modded. remind me a bit of the iphone
Oh one other thing I like better about the shift is that it's battery recharges much faster than the x7501. I know it not a big deal but I like not having to wait long for anything
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Oh one other thing I like better about the shift is that it's battery recharges much faster than the x7501. I know it not a big deal but I like not having to wait long for anything
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hehe yea thats a big plus.
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Oh one other thing I like better about the shift is that it's battery recharges much faster than the x7501. I know it not a big deal but I like not having to wait long for anything
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Yes you are very right, the first time I bought my Athena, I was shocked on how slow the battery charging especially out of a USB port. Not sure if Advantage 7510 would improve considerably.
i guess i bought the shift because i realize i need vista to complete some of my work, there are just quite a few software which doesn't run under ppc, so i need an UMPC, another reason that i bought shift is because this forum, i know i will have lots of fun treaking the device and there will be lots of support here as well.
Shift is not for everyone, but certainly i am happy about it.
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i guess i bought the shift because i realize i need vista to complete some of my work, there are just quite a few software which doesn't run under ppc, so i need an UMPC, another reason that i bought shift is because this forum, i know i will have lots of fun treaking the device and there will be lots of support here as well.
Shift is not for everyone, but certainly i am happy about it.
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yep. the community is always the key. u have the people from the athena forums here now working on the shift and u also have pof here. the shift will be a nice device once we are done with it.
HTC Shift Vs HTC Athena
the athena is a very good device. I bought the Shift mainly just for fun. In fact u can do most things on the athena. The curve of owning a HTC Shift goes like this. During the first few hours it was really fun. I was quite amazed with the quality and the keyboard. After playing for awhile then i realize the Winmo is far inferior to Athena. i cannot install all my applications into it as the internal memory is so small. Not only that it cannot read the SD card. I read somewhere in this forum that there is no way to connect to the sd card as there are no wires attaching to it. After that I left it at home. Without bothering to play with it. After a week I started reading this forum again and some smart guy suggested to remove the finger recoginition security. I did it and wow, the speed is now much faster and acceptable. I started removing all those applications I don't need such as Origami and so on. I tweaked around with the battery settings as well. Now I am beginning to like it again as I have longer battery life and a faster machine. One thing is that I don't understand is why HTC only puts 64mb ram into this. Are they thinking of launching a HTC Shift 2 with 128mb ram. And a longer battery life. I think this is a way they milk the consumers for more money..
Sometimes i really wonder what users in this forum are expecting from the Shift: Shift is a WindowsVista-UMPC in first place - the limited WindowsMobile-Part SnapVUE is just a nice Add-on for Instand-On (and powersaving) Mail, Calendar and Contact access. Not more, not less. That's why even the Hardware of the WM-Part is that limited (no Storage access) - hey, in fact, the WM-Side is not much more than the 3G Modem for Vista.
I bougt it because i wanted to have a small Vista-PC - otherwhise, i would have kept my HTC Universal. Yeah, i opended the WM-Side to install Opera and GPRSmonitor (too keep track of my 3G-Usage - 5 gigabyte contract...). But i don't expect more from SnapVue - and it does what's advertised, pretty well.
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Sometimes i really wonder what users in this forum are expecting from the Shift: Shift is a WindowsVista-UMPC in first place - the limited WindowsMobile-Part SnapVUE is just a nice Add-on for Instand-On (and powersaving) Mail, Calendar and Contact access. Not more, not less. That's why even the Hardware of the WM-Part is that limited (no Storage access) - hey, in fact, the WM-Side is not much more than the 3G Modem for Vista.
I bougt it because i wanted to have a small Vista-PC - otherwhise, i would have kept my HTC Universal. Yeah, i opended the WM-Side to install Opera and GPRSmonitor (too keep track of my 3G-Usage - 5 gigabyte contract...). But i don't expect more from SnapVue - and it does what's advertised, pretty well.
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you have your opinion and we have ours ... we know that the shift is able to do more than by default .. so we will try to make it the best possible.
the shift is not the fastest UMPC and if you bought it just to have an umpc .. I think that you got it wrong. The shift is first a double OS and it's important for US... because it's like having 2 devices in one ! A PDA/PPC that you can use 24h/24 and a computer that you can use WHEN YOU WANT.
I personnaly want the shift to replace my laptop, my desktop, and my phone (HTC TOUCH) .. it's my opinion and nobody will be able to change my mind about it.
If you think that for you it's a little computer and that you are happy with it .. that's cool, but we may want more for a device that can do more
that's all
Yeah i have an athena a phone viewty and a ASUS eee so this could replace all 3 or maybe just the eee and athena its a convergence device it does what it says on the tin but is only average at each point but good enougth i think
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Sometimes i really wonder what users in this forum are expecting from the Shift: Shift is a WindowsVista-UMPC in first place - the limited WindowsMobile-Part SnapVUE is just a nice Add-on for Instand-On (and powersaving) Mail, Calendar and Contact access. Not more, not less. That's why even the Hardware of the WM-Part is that limited (no Storage access) - hey, in fact, the WM-Side is not much more than the 3G Modem for Vista.
I bougt it because i wanted to have a small Vista-PC - otherwhise, i would have kept my HTC Universal. Yeah, i opended the WM-Side to install Opera and GPRSmonitor (too keep track of my 3G-Usage - 5 gigabyte contract...). But i don't expect more from SnapVue - and it does what's advertised, pretty well.
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Well for me, I was expecing Shift to be a superb WM Phone with Vista as a bonus. WM with a nice huge screen and a nice keyboard to work on. I already own Thinkpad T60 with 3GB RAM, 4GB Readyboost, fast little machine.
I'm not expecting the Vista in Shift to replace my laptop knowing that it's only got 20GB free storage to work on and 1GB RAM(For VISTA just INSANE).
Sure it would be nice to replace Athena and Thinkpad Laptop with Shift. But I will hold my breath on that.
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you have your opinion and we have ours ... we know that the shift is able to do more than by default .. so we will try to make it the best possible.
the shift is not the fastest UMPC and if you bought it just to have an umpc .. I think that you got it wrong. The shift is first a double OS and it's important for US... because it's like having 2 devices in one ! A PDA/PPC that you can use 24h/24 and a computer that you can use WHEN YOU WANT.
I personnaly want the shift to replace my laptop, my desktop, and my phone (HTC TOUCH) .. it's my opinion and nobody will be able to change my mind about it.
If you think that for you it's a little computer and that you are happy with it .. that's cool, but we may want more for a device that can do more
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Hey, i really LOVE the WM Part of the Shift - it's great to have instant-on-access to mail, calendar, contacts - and, after opening SnapVue, to OperaMobile (also as an instant on alternative... especially when Vista is doing updates etc). But again, it remains a UMPC in first place (and what it makes better than ANY UMPC on the market so far is the Keyboard, not to forget embedded 3G). That's what the hardware is designed to be - a UMPC with some added InstantOn-Functions. And that's the reason why the HARDWARE of WM on the shift is that limited: Low RAM, low FLASH, no Hardware-Keys in Slate-Mode, no Access to the HardDisk, no Access to the SD Card, no Access to WLAN, no access to Touchpad, no Access to the Fingerprint reader, no Access to the WebCam, even no Access to the Microphone (as far as i know - i analyzed the board very well, but it's hard to track wires on a multilayer board ). Yeah, these limitations are Hardware-Limitations, not changeable by a cooked ROM (and i really loved cocked roms for my HTC Universal). Yeah, i analyzed the hardware as good as possible. Yeah, it's possible to make this all available to the WM6 part of the shift - but ONLY (!!!!!!) with a running Vista and an application running on both ends that pass through these functions (and hey, this wouldn't make much sense, eh??).
I know, this is a WM community, so the focus HAS TO BE on WM. But again, the Shift was never designed to be an WM device in first place - and HTC markets it as an UMPC, not as an "Hyper-PDA".
By the way, ONE limitation MIGHT be removeable with WM 6.1: The screen resolution in WM.... 6.1 is the first version that supports 800x480 Screens (like on the SE Experia). So, indeed, there is some room left for improvements through cooked roms.
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Hey, i really LOVE the WM Part of the Shift - it's great to have instant-on-access to mail, calendar, contacts - and, after opening SnapVue, to OperaMobile (also as an instant on alternative... especially when Vista is doing updates etc). But again, it remains a UMPC in first place (and what it makes better than ANY UMPC on the market so far is the Keyboard, not to forget embedded 3G). That's what the hardware is designed to be - a UMPC with some added InstantOn-Functions. And that's the reason why the HARDWARE of WM on the shift is that limited: Low RAM, low FLASH, no Hardware-Keys in Slate-Mode, no Access to the HardDisk, no Access to the SD Card, no Access to WLAN, no access to Touchpad, no Access to the Fingerprint reader, no Access to the WebCam, even no Access to the Microphone (as far as i know - i analyzed the board very well, but it's hard to track wires on a multilayer board ). Yeah, these limitations are Hardware-Limitations, not changeable by a cooked ROM (and i really loved cocked roms for my HTC Universal). Yeah, i analyzed the hardware as good as possible. Yeah, it's possible to make this all available to the WM6 part of the shift - but ONLY (!!!!!!) with a running Vista and an application running on both ends that pass through these functions (and hey, this wouldn't make much sense, eh??).
I know, this is a WM community, so the focus HAS TO BE on WM. But again, the Shift was never designed to be an WM device in first place - and HTC markets it as an UMPC, not as an "Hyper-PDA".
By the way, ONE limitation MIGHT be removeable with WM 6.1: The screen resolution in WM.... 6.1 is the first version that supports 800x480 Screens (like on the SE Experia). So, indeed, there is some room left for improvements through cooked roms.
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it's not because we are a WM community that we want WM to be the best.. we whant the SHIFT to be the best... and we are pretty sure that we will be able to make these things running in WM.
you think that we need an application to make everything working from WM side... but why are you sure that it's not the opposite? That an application running in WM side is "silently" sharing the hardware to Vista. .. and that it is disabled in WM side?
The chipset with 3G is from WM side... and the WM side share the 3G to VISTA.. so it could be the same for BT,Wifi, SD, ....
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it's not because we are a WM community that we want WM to be the best.. we whant the SHIFT to be the best... and we are pretty sure that we will be able to make these things running in WM.
you think that we need an application to make everything working from WM side... but why are you sure that it's not the opposite? That an application running in WM side is "silently" sharing the hardware to Vista. .. and that it is disabled in WM side?
The chipset with 3G is from WM side... and the WM side share the 3G to VISTA.. so it could be the same for BT,Wifi, SD, ....
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I could argue with obvious hardware design (the UMPC side is pretty easy to analyze, have a look at the PCI and USB busses). I could argue with "Traced wires on the board" (something that is not really reliable on a multilayer board).
But you can easily find out on your own: Reset SnapVue and see which functions are gone in VISTA while WM restarts. You'll find out: 3G radio (of course, as this is provided by WM - by the way: Through internet connection sharing) - and propably the Sound (but not because Sound is implemented through WM - have not found the reason so far). Bluetooth? Available. WiFi? Available. SD? Available. HDD?? Available.
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I could argue with obvious hardware design (the UMPC side is pretty easy to analyze, have a look at the PCI and USB busses). I could argue with "Traced wires on the board" (something that is not really reliable on a multilayer board).
But you can easily find out on your own: Reset SnapVue and see which functions are gone in VISTA while WM restarts. You'll find out: 3G radio (of course, as this is provided by WM - by the way: Through internet connection sharing) - and propably the Sound (but not because Sound is implemented through WM - have not found the reason so far). Bluetooth? Available. WiFi? Available. SD? Available. HDD?? Available.
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I don't have the Shift yet.. so I can't test it myself.. but I have never heard about it before (maybe because I have never heard about someone rebooting WM when Vista was launched).
It will be harder .. yes .. but we will try our best to make it work in both sides !
Hello - I just got my Shift yesterday. German Edition.
It works well. The only Thing is I do not get the WLAN to work.
I have 2 WLAN stations with G and N standard activated but I do not get a
connection. Certainly I enabled the WLAN in Vista with the THC Tool.
I also tried to do settings in the device driver.
But Windows Vista still does not find any network ( WLAN ).
EDGE is working when tunred on.
PLEASE HELP - OTHERWISE I SEND IT BACK.
Thank you in advance
Marcus
Send it back (sorry, couldn't help myself)
Hi Markus,
I had the "same" problem. I could not get a connection with my Netgear Router. Then I tried another one from t-mobile, what is its name? Speedport or something and everything works nicely.
So go somewhere and try a different router. Maybe it helps.
S.
I'm using a cheap old modem/router and it works 100%...I would try and different router too borrowed from a friend. You need to keep the Shift
Hello
So I decided to send the Shift back.
I am not willing gaming around with wlan. I spent about 6 hours.
WLAN ist a standard for years and my routers are absolutly standrd.
Why should I buy a new router while I am having some of the best on the market which work with all notebooks and computer and also iphone + htc kaiser ?
I Think they used a very damn wlan crad. Why not using a intel wlan ?
All in all the testing of the shift was funny. A nice UMPC with a very lack of having a Display showing 1024x600 Pixel. The 800x480 are useless.
So here I end my writing.
Much more fun - I wait for the next revision with Intel ATOM CPU.
Hard to know if it was your wlan or the Shift, or you? What is clear is the Shift isn't for you, because experience tells me if you had the issue above and you liked your Shift then you would have invested the time in finding a solution...
1024 x 600 is fine if you have microscopes for eyes...I have connected with about 7 wlans so far, without issue....Intel Atom CPU, might be good, who knows, but might the same too - we are talking low voltage here so there will still be limitations - Intel does not mean perfect by any means.
What we really need for this market is a more suitable OS, not beefed up hardward.
Hello - sorry you are wrong with me
I own even 2 more Samsung UMPCs and are familiar with a lot of mobile phones and devices ( it is my job).
We live in the 2008 and WLAN is a world wide standard.
A device with wlan has just to work.
Also I invested about 8 hours testing with drivers.
I am also windows certified on vista.
Even with this knowledge I did only get a connection to a neigbors wlan.
I own an apple aitport express configured as g+n
and an AVM 7270 with B+G configured.
The last 12 month I tested about 87 notebooks and about 40 mobile phones. All did work at once. Also many HTC devices.
The Shift did now.
Also I own a Sony mini Computer with a 5 Zoll Display and it is just better than the HTC - 800x480 is not made for vista.
Even the Shift startup Windows are not displayed correctly.
Sorry - it is very easy to read on a 1024x768 Display.
I think you just did not see a good one yet.
Vista also can configure the fonts so that is very good to read.
About the CPU - if you once see an AMTOM CPU you will never post something like you did. It is just amazin. I had one to test here.
I think the Shift is a good beta device - last year it woud have been a wow, but it was just released in germany and it is dissapointing.
Sorry !
Best reagrds
As I told you - I wait for Release 2 in some month
Hey man, I'm not upset or anything by your post, hope you aren't with mine, because I didn't intend that
I don't have access to the wonderful things that you do by the sounds of it, so if I have a device that has a error with something I tend to stick with it until I find a solution - I don't really have any other choice. So, when my Shift didn't pick up 3G properly I stuck by and tweaked it until it did. Sorry if I sounded insensitive - I know what it's like for something to not work...very frustrating.
Re the screen - I have seen the hi def wonders out there, and I've seen the blunders like OQO01 (dim and sorta blurry)...I actually like the Shift resolution for day to day use, but I guess if it had the option to support true 1024*768 then it would be better suited to everyone. I think you're right, the next version will most likely have better resolution...
OK, I will keep an open mind about the Atom...maybe it can answer our performance issues for these UMPC's (it's clear Via isn't up to the task either at present), although I will stick with my preference for the OS manufacturers to provide a better option than Vista, or at least a different "type" of Vista. XP is perfectly adequate and would probably fly on this thing esp with a gig of RAM....
I didn't realise until recently the Shift had been announced for so long...so even with relatively new eyes on it, it answered many of my needs - especially the pocket PC side...I paid $1400 for a Jornada 720 when they first came out, and so this device with a PC side, and connectivity at $2000 seems like a fair price. It's all dependant on ones points of relativity I guess.
Anyways, all the best, and I hope you find the right device for you...cheers
I've tried to like it, i really have, but it's defeated me. The under two hours battery life for one. Now i was going to buy a tekkeon external battery pack, thats how much i wanted to stay with the Shift, and give the project time to come up with a rom. But i'm over it. The device was alomost there and i gad dreams of using it for days on the windows mobile side and occasionally switching over to vista. But i can't access the wifi from windows mobile. I can't access the SDcard from windows mobile. And for the life of me I can't get the GPS to work.
Even with the Roms available on the site now there's too many issues. The usb tool for one. The thing is just too unreliable. It drops out connecting to vista, it fails to sync outlooks emails if you have lots of them. Turn on high power and it's better but then vista lasts for an hour and a half.
It's almost the best UMPC I've ever owned but the compromises are too great.
I'm going to buy an Advantage and sync it to my LG P100 and that's replace the machine the Shift almost was.
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I've tried to like it, i really have, but it's defeated me. The under two hours battery life for one. Now i was going to buy a tekkeon external battery pack, thats how much i wanted to stay with the Shift, and give the project time to come up with a rom. But i'm over it. The device was alomost there and i gad dreams of using it for days on the windows mobile side and occasionally switching over to vista. But i can't access the wifi from windows mobile. I can't access the SDcard from windows mobile. And for the life of me I can't get the GPS to work.
Even with the Roms available on the site now there's too many issues. The usb tool for one. The thing is just too unreliable. It drops out connecting to vista, it fails to sync outlooks emails if you have lots of them. Turn on high power and it's better but then vista lasts for an hour and a half.
It's almost the best UMPC I've ever owned but the compromises are too great.
I'm going to buy an Advantage and sync it to my LG P100 and that's replace the machine the Shift almost was.
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I understand your frustrations. I did this with my ASUS R2H+Tilt for good number of months, but I moved to Shift because ASUS R2H is heavier than Shift and carrying two devices is much painful and also the power consumption is not that greater than Shift. I still own ASUS R2H and Tilt. I also have an Everon with Novatel 3G, I installed Windows Mobile 6 Emulator on that and played for a while, but it is like turning on the system completely forever, but the power consumption is much much better than R2H or Shift. I had Q1 before and a Vega but I retired them from active duty.
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I can also understand your frustration...still, for now, I like it and cannot see me moving away until something else with a fully functioning trimmed down version of an operating system (plus Win7 or something) comes to fill the void. I have no issue with the USB Tool...I'm using i00 rom and XP tablet.
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I've tried to like it, i really have, but it's defeated me. The under two hours battery life for one. Now i was going to buy a tekkeon external battery pack, thats how much i wanted to stay with the Shift, and give the project time to come up with a rom. But i'm over it. The device was alomost there and i gad dreams of using it for days on the windows mobile side and occasionally switching over to vista. But i can't access the wifi from windows mobile. I can't access the SDcard from windows mobile. And for the life of me I can't get the GPS to work.
Even with the Roms available on the site now there's too many issues. The usb tool for one. The thing is just too unreliable. It drops out connecting to vista, it fails to sync outlooks emails if you have lots of them. Turn on high power and it's better but then vista lasts for an hour and a half.
It's almost the best UMPC I've ever owned but the compromises are too great.
I'm going to buy an Advantage and sync it to my LG P100 and that's replace the machine the Shift almost was.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO dont leave us.
its cool mate, sometimes using gps on the shift can take up to 15-20 mins to lock, sometime its bloody straight away. I have also come close to shopping it off but right now im still holding out for SD card access on the WM side. For me that's the one thing that will make this device truly wanted.
all the best with what ever decsion u make!
I keep going back and forth myself.
Despite all of my research, I can't believe all of the near deal-breakers I didn't discover until I had it in-hand. Specifically, the lack of SD card access and wi-fi in Snapvue mode.
I could honestly live without Vista--I was just hoping for a WinMo device in this form factor (large touch screen) with the slide out keyboard. Having to swap my SIM card and/or live with the horrible battery life & performance under Vista is proving to be a pain in the rear.
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I keep going back and forth myself.
Despite all of my research, I can't believe all of the near deal-breakers I didn't discover until I had it in-hand. Specifically, the lack of SD card access and wi-fi in Snapvue mode.
I could honestly live without Vista--I was just hoping for a WinMo device in this form factor (large touch screen) with the slide out keyboard. Having to swap my SIM card and/or live with the horrible battery life & performance under Vista is proving to be a pain in the rear.
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agreed. I'm seriousl looking at the Viliv S5 with a touch HD for the Windows mobile solution. Paired with my stowaway BT keyboard and mouse the two units will do what the shift promised I think for the same weight or less, more power, more features and more functionality.
Viliv S5 + Touch HD
# Wake up to XP in 5 sec, wakeup to phone instant
# 6 hour video playback - > 5 hours solid computing useage, 50 hours plus internet and WinMO useage.
# 200 hours Standby Time + whatever the HD has
# GPS X 2, S5 has awesome GPS
# Touchscreen X 2, on screen keyboard X 2, full touch typeable keyboard for both (stowaway works fine on both devices)
Viliv Navigation on Shift
Hi,
here is the link to the navigation software used on the Viliv. (http://www.streetdeck.com/DownloadTrial.aspx)
I am downloading both the 20MB and 1.7GB free trials right now onto my Shift w/W7 RC.
If I get it all working, I'll post back the results (maybe even a video! )
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I keep going back and forth myself.
Despite all of my research, I can't believe all of the near deal-breakers I didn't discover until I had it in-hand. Specifically, the lack of SD card access and wi-fi in Snapvue mode.
I could honestly live without Vista--I was just hoping for a WinMo device in this form factor (large touch screen) with the slide out keyboard. Having to swap my SIM card and/or live with the horrible battery life & performance under Vista is proving to be a pain in the rear.
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Why not try Windows 7 as a last ditch effort? The battery life improves, it isn't called Vista, it has a lighter feel to it, it isn't called Vista, and it is pleasantly surprising!
The upgrade was simple to do and the license is good for the next year
I've thought about Win 7 but it tanked badly on my tablet PC. I believe the touchscreen probs have been sorted for the shift. But there's no over coming the no wifi on windows mobile side, no SD card access.
You have an advantage so you'll know what I mean when I say about ahving a little unit you can take on the road that does 90% of the job of a laptop but runs for days. I travelled with the Advantage as my only "laptop" for weeks doing presentations and email etc all via 3G or when in airport lounges the wifi. 4 in 1 cable allowed access to all my pdf's docs, ppt's on a thumbdrive.
I want the Shift to be that unit. Run winmo 90% of the time without Vista running at all. Then if you need a full blown laptop you fire up vista and you're away. But I doubt it's going to get there anytime soon.
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I've thought about Win 7 but it tanked badly on my tablet PC. I believe the touchscreen probs have been sorted for the shift. But there's no over coming the no wifi on windows mobile side, no SD card access.
You have an advantage so you'll know what I mean when I say about ahving a little unit you can take on the road that does 90% of the job of a laptop but runs for days. I travelled with the Advantage as my only "laptop" for weeks doing presentations and email etc all via 3G or when in airport lounges the wifi. 4 in 1 cable allowed access to all my pdf's docs, ppt's on a thumbdrive.
I want the Shift to be that unit. Run winmo 90% of the time without Vista running at all. Then if you need a full blown laptop you fire up vista and you're away. But I doubt it's going to get there anytime soon.
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I know what you mean.
The Advantage is great. I use it mostly like you just said. With the 4-in-1 and WM 90% of time. Then I use RemoteDesktopConnection via Wifi/3G to do some more PC based work. My only problem was I could not use it efficeintly so thats why I Opted for a Shift.
My wife and I like to travel and carrying 2 work laptops, plus the advantage is a bit crazy and airport security makes travelling harder. The Shift + Advantage is a good combo for us now. I agree I could not live with Shift alone, but it has come along way, the people here are making strides that no one else has been able to do.
I need WiFi and more memory on WM to use the programs I like better, but once SD card access is opened, you can have a 32 GB storage card for programs and that really nice big screen! (WiFi should be coming soon too, but with #g it is at least manageable for now. Storage is the biger issue)
BTW- W7 on shift is (in my opinion) much better than Vista. I love it. It works great, battery is much better, and I can't say enough good things about it. I'm also considering the 600MaH battery for Shift...that should give a real nice bat.life to the Shift on W7.
But, to each their own, everyone has thier own business/personal needs.
Also, you may want to look at HP TouchSmart tx2z series. I was looking at this as anther solution before the Shift and doing mobile internet via Expresscard slot & bluetooth . (Not cheaper, but close)
Hope that helps!
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Why not try Windows 7 as a last ditch effort? The battery life improves, it isn't called Vista, it has a lighter feel to it, it isn't called Vista, and it is pleasantly surprising!
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Yeah, I did that a couple days ago (when the public RC was released) and it appears to be a device-saver. The Shift is 100% better with Win7 installed.
Hey guys, not sure if there are many people here but I'm looking for some help. I recently bought a shift off ebay because I like the cool sliding form-factor and collecting old palm tops in general. When I got it it had vista on it. It also had a lot of garbage and porn on it from the previous seller who claimed it was mint... that's another story. I ran into some problems with it and tried to reinstall vista. Then I decided to throw windows 10 on it instead thinking it would make it run better.
Unfortunately windows 10 has slowed it down to a crawl. I can't get anything done on it. It's using up a lot of processing power to the point that the device gets hot and abruptly shuts down. I don't know what I was expecting really, it only has an 800mhz proc. Have any of you guys gotten 10 to run smoothly? I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks.
Hi,
There are a number of Windows 10 performance tips in the thread titled "[GUIDE] Installing Windows 10 Technical Preview on the HTC Shift, especially in the final couple of pages.
I'm running Windows 10 on my Shift, and despite my best efforts, it still runs very slow, but good enough for running efficient applications such as Evernote, OneDrive and Word.
My Shift gets hot but it has never suffered from overheating. Perhaps your fan is faulty. Can you hear the fan running?
Hi guys, i was always fanatic for ultra mobile pc´s, i had some vaio P, and now i bought a HTC shift, just spent 50 euros in it, so it is a bargain
I have some questions here:
1- guy who sold me told me that wifi don´t work in windows 8 ( os installed), it needs some driver to work in windows 8/10? or it´s not possible to enable wifi?
2- when i receive the shift should i format all partions and make a new install of win 10? the owner told me that hd is 60gb and have 2 partitions
3- so for what i understand, there is the windows mode and then the windows mobile mode? they are installed in diferent partitions? how does this work?
thank you
i made a clean install of win 10, win 10 is very slow for shift.... all was working less wifi, it wasn´t detecting my home network
made a clean install of win 7 home premium, all smooth and quick, fast boot time, all things are working including touchscreen and wifi
in windows 7 i cant acess 3g dont know why
another problem is that when i press windows mobile key, i only get a black screen, what is the problem?
thank you
ps. for browsing i recimend slim jet browser, really fast and smoother, and very good to use with finger
I take it by now that you have learned that only the windows side uses the HDD (and bluetooth and the SD card). The Windows Mobile side is not connected to any of these (although it is connect to Windows and so can potentially access them if Windows is running).
If 3G is not working in Windows 7, have you run the "Shift Control Centre" to ensure that "Modem" is ON?
When I installed Windows 10 on my HTC Shift from a bootable USB drive created with the "Windows Media Creator" application, I performed a new installation after first deleting all of the partitions on the hard drive. This included the factory default Vista recovery partition, which I will never need, and I'd rather have the extra Gbs of storage.
There was a 2GB RAM module you could buy for it. Also, could you put an SSD inside it to speed it up?
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There was a 2GB RAM module you could buy for it. Also, could you put an SSD inside it to speed it up?
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You can buy a 2gb module in eBay but they are very expensive
About SSD you can use it, dont know wich modelo, but its possible, but this laptop have slow processor and bad graphic, so, i dont recomend this investment at all
I've got two Shifts. One with liberated Snapvue, 2GB Ram and 128GB SSD.
Had Windows7 installed, but then tried Win10. The first Beta versions made shift run like a charm, but with each update it became slower. I then returned to Vista with AeroDesign and 3d gimmicks disabled. Now runs pretty good, fast enough and stable.
The second Shift also runs Vista. Unfortunately i'm not able to liberate its Mobile side, as it refuses to receive emails although 3G is working fine. Strange thing: though not liberated, Vista is able to use the 3G modem.
windows 7 runs ok in shift, for me it´s the best os
Running Windows 10 on my Shift. I disabled certain things such as background apps, superfetch, and Windows search.
I wonder how much impact the future Meltdown and Spectre mitigation updates will have on my poor stock HTC Shift...
Wow! Started reading this thread and I cant believe I fired up my Shift. Running Windows 8 on it. It took 30 minutes for Windows defender to update . Updating Windows now. ANyone know where I can find an inexpensive battery?
Thanks
try ebay
search for htc x9500 or htc shift
btw
win 7 is the best os for this machine
Battery
Search htc shift in ebay and some will appear. Not cheap cicra £20-30 but probably not a deal breaker either.
I have used kingspec 1.8 inch 128 gb ssd's in other devices and they work well. Their speed depends upon the interface required, if ide then this will be the bottleneck. As for the original hdd they are one of the slowest ever made and were redesigned for media player usage!
Slow down windows 10 on a 1 CPU 800mHz 1gb or 2gb?
Answer this question first!!!