Hey guys,
I am looking to answer a few questions for a friend.
He has Alltel service and wants to purchase Alltel's version of the 6800.
Would he be able to buy the Sprint version, since both carriers are CDMA?
I have no clue about CDMA, I only use GSM carriers.
I see the prices of the Alltel verion are rediculous on eBay.
Thanks for the help
The Alltel version is pricier...I think because the Alltel cliental is not as nearly extensive as Sprint's. CDMA is a newer digital carrier service used only in the USA and Canada I think. GSM is older but used here and Europe.
As for carrier service, I would imagine there is away to get a Mogul to work on Alltel service since they are both CDMA and even Verizon is now allowing other CDMA carrier's phones on their network. I saw some posts about transferring phones with ESN, etc. Do a little more searching. You will find the answer.
Sprint Mogul on Alltel
You can use any version of the 6800 on Alltel... I've used both a Sprint Mogul and a Telus P4000 (Canadian) successfully. I still use the Telus P4000 as a backup to my Alltel 6800.
The easiest way to accomplish using another carrier's device is to use the hard SPL (bootloader) here on XDA-Developers and then you can load the Alltel ROM to whichever version of the device you have. That's exactly what I did to my P4000...
The only consideration to affecting this change is that Sprint uses MSL's (Master Subsidy Lock) on their phones. You'll need to know the MSL to update the PRL (Preferred Radio/Roaming List) because a non-Alltel device will not update OTA (Over The Air). Verizon and Alltel (verify Verizon for yourself, I'm only sure about Alltel) don't use MSL's, their MSL is always set to six zero's... so a Verizon 6800 is the easier switch as both Telus and Sprint use MSL's for their handsets.
Good luck...
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You can use any version of the 6800 on Alltel... I've used both a Sprint Mogul and a Telus P4000 (Canadian) successfully. I still use the Telus P4000 as a backup to my Alltel 6800.
The easiest way to accomplish using another carrier's device is to use the hard SPL (bootloader) here on XDA-Developers and then you can load the Alltel ROM to whichever version of the device you have. That's exactly what I did to my P4000...
The only consideration to affecting this change is that Sprint uses MSL's (Master Subsidy Lock) on their phones. You'll need to know the MSL to update the PRL (Preferred Radio/Roaming List) because a non-Alltel device will not update OTA (Over The Air). Verizon and Alltel (verify Verizon for yourself, I'm only sure about Alltel) don't use MSL's, their MSL is always set to six zero's... so a Verizon 6800 is the easier switch as both Telus and Sprint use MSL's for their handsets.
Good luck...
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How in the heII did you get them to accept your non-Alltel phones??? Do you have a friend at Alltel? I couldn't get them to activate my old Sprint 6700 on my wifes Alltel line for ANYTHING! I'll bet I called 25 times trying to get it done (sometimes if you just get the right CSM they'll do anything for you). I even talked to tech support and told them that I had flased the Alltel ROM to the phone so that it was essentially an Alltel phone.
You must be good...
How to activate another carriers phone
Call them and dont tell them its not an alltel phone simply state you have a 6700 or 6800 to activate and there will be no questions or issues activating the phones, of course you will need to have the rom already updated as they will try to get you to ota activate the phone or manually program and they wont know the msl code and if you mention anything about it, then they will know its not an alltel phone also you can download alltel's version of wm6 for the 6700 and 6800 at this site without any bootloader tool.
http://www.america.htc.com/support/ppc6800/software-downloads.html
Its not really made for the 6700 but I have tested and worked fine on mutiple 6700s.
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Call them and dont tell them its not an alltel phone simply state you have a 6700 or 6800 to activate and there will be no questions or issues activating the phones, of course you will need to have the rom already updated as they will try to get you to ota activate the phone or manually program and they wont know the msl code and if you mention anything about it, then they will know its not an alltel phone also you can download alltel's version of wm6 for the 6700 and 6800 at this site without any bootloader tool.
http://www.america.htc.com/support/ppc6800/software-downloads.html
Its not really made for the 6700 but I have tested and worked fine on mutiple 6700s.
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Thats really good to know. It seems reasonable that if they tell you something like they cant locate the phone in your system,tell them that that is impossible. The phone after all came in a alltel, has alltel logos on it etc. =) That chad guy from the commercial even came over and personally verified it.
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I have a Telus P4000 (Titan) that I'm using on the Alltel network... I've had no trouble converting Sprint Apache's to Alltel (for both voice and EVDO), but having little luck getting the P4000 to connect to EVDO on Alltel.
That being said, I've updated the PRL (manually) and done the basic activation and programming already. I'd like to know if there is a way to update the P4000 with the WM6 ROM for the Mogul from Sprint. The two devices are hardware identical, but I'm worried about the protected (not over-written) portions of the operating system...
In other words, will the ROM update give me access to the Sprint data network (which I can easily port to Alltel) or will that portion of the ROM (the NAM, etc.) be locked to Telus? I'm capable of re-programming the MMC/MNC and NAM settings, but I have no clear/concise list of codes or data from which to operate...
I have a P4000 to use for testing purposes, but my first obstacle is finding a way to load the Sprint ROM to the P4000 without generating a country ID error or a "vender" error (yes, it's vender, not vendor in the error report).
Any help from those (Vijay, Buzz, etc.) with the appropriate skills to get a no-ID RUU would be most appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your help and advice. And thanks XDA-Developers for giving us a Titan-specific forum... Those of us with both GSM and CDMA devices welcome the changes here.
You would have to try flashing it and see. The Sprint update does not come with an ExtROM update and the Radio/Data settings are also seperate from the ROM. The ROM just updates the OS, applications, and drivers. If it does work, you shouldn't have any problems. You would also need a modded RUU for the setup app too, that right there would prevent you from even trying. Once someone makes that, you can atleast try.
Update...
I've already tried both the Sprint WM6 ROM Update (see first post) and now the Hermes RUU No ID without success...
If anyone has a RUU for the Titan that's ID free (or can construct one), I'd like to try flashing the Sprint ROM update to the P4000. I have a 6700 as my backup, so I'll not worry about the P4000...
Thanks in advance,
Mick
How were you able to get a foreign ESN to work on the Alltel network?
Foreign ESN on Alltel
Just for informational purposes... Alltel will activate any ESN as long as the handset is compatible.
If you carry a phone into a retail center, the representative will look at a phone and either refuse to activate it or discourage activating it if the handset is not Alltel branded (and occasionally even if it is).
However, if you call Alltel and ask them to activate a handset (after having verified its compatibility) and just give them the ESN over the phone, they have little choice but to activate it. It's your account, you can use whicever handset you like.
I have activated Sprint ESN's, Telus Mobility (Canada) ESN's and Verizon ESN's on Alltel... A bit of PST prgramming is required to provision the handset to use the Alltel data network and an occasional call to data tech support to retrieve authentication keys, but overall it's been a simple process.
The greatest benefit to activating an ESN on the Alltel network (regardless of origin) is that Alltel is contract-free if you provide your own handset. So I've bid goodbye to GSM until their data speeds are comparable to CDMA... and I have no contract.
Hope this helps...
Mick
No ID RUU for the Titan...?
Anyone... ? Anyone... ? Bueller... ? Anyone... ?
Has anyone found, created or hacked a No ID RUU for the Titan/Mogul/PPC6800?
Thanks in advance,
Mick
Will Verizon activate an Alltel phone? I really like the black 6800.
6.1 ROM Upgrade on Telus With Stand Alone GPS renabled on it?.
This phone is killar that's all i can say.. nice and thin too especially for the GPS in it and about GPS someone should post how to get the sprint ROM onto the P4000, the only reason this would wanna be done is for the GPS renableing, i cant believe telus mobility want's us to pay 10$ a month to use the A-GPS mode of this Full Stand Alone GPSone chipset, Please Guys at XDA, get a patch to renable the stand alone GPS chipset on this phone Thank's from Everyone at xda)
I am still waiting for VZW's new XV6800...
I got to play with an Alltel 6800. All black and just like the Mogul. NIIIICE!
Is there any way to get one of these to work on VZW's network? I am tied to this network and really like Alltel's version of this PPC phone.
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I am still waiting for VZW's new XV6800...
I got to play with an Alltel 6800. All black and just like the Mogul. NIIIICE!
Is there any way to get one of these to work on VZW's network? I am tied to this network and really like Alltel's version of this PPC phone.
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I agree. I like the All Black look.....I have the Mogul Bugle though...silver/grey..yuck
Alltel to VZW
If Verizon will activate the ESN (check the ESN of any phone you intend to purchase to make sure it hasn't been submitted for an insurance claim), then it's just a matter of re-provisioning (programming) the handset to use with Verizon. Since Alltel doesn't use MSL (Master Subsidy Lock) for their devices, they are easily configured for other carriers.
With a bit of research and time, this is easily accomplished. The transition isn't as simple as that of GSM devices, but not daunting in the slightest. Feel free to PM with any questions you might have.
Cheers,
Mick
Extended Rom
Mick,
By any chance if possible, you can extract the Extended_Rom from your phone and post it here? I have Sprint and want to play around with the Extended_Rom of the Alltel PPC6800.
Thanks
Hello,
I currently have a Sprint Mogul that is working great. I love the phone (especially with the new radio features). I may have the opportunity to switch wireless carriers soon, as my contract will run out in the next few months.
I would like to switch to Alltel as they have better coverage in my state. What do I need to do to get my Mogul/Titan to work on Alltel's network? I presume they probably have to register the device's ESN on their network and change some other network related settings on the phone. Has anyone gotten a carrier to do this? Can it be done? Has anyone made a switch like this and kept the same device?
I'm just not thrilled about re-buying my phone again.
Thanks for your stories and input.
I never experienced this nor heard of it, but I think it's possible. All you would need is to flash on Alltel's ROM and update using Alltel's PRL just so you can get a lock on Alltel's towers. With this accomplished, I think you can try calling them up and have them program your phone like you would with any other carrier.
Note, this is all just making educational guesses on my part and not guaranteed to work.
Tried it with qwest... big problems
I'm not sure how sprint will work it for you but when I tried to switch from qwest to sprint with mine.. it never happened.. though sprint did say that qwest HAD to release the ENS qwest refused to, and I walked all the way up the chain of support/manager/supervisor/legal dept... they said they own the ESN.. you might have better luck with sprint but.. I would check to make sure it is going to work before you terminate service with them..
Best of luck.
Just a thought I read somewhere just the other day that you could change the esn of the 6800/mogul. So if you went to new carrier and said give me a new esn (not even sure if they can) that works on your service and then changed your current ESN (removed the sprint) and placed the new ESN then it should work?
I would think that is legal.. you are using a ESN that your new carrier knows about because they gave it to you. Not sure.
Verizon has activated alltel phones on their network before by reflashing the software/writing their PRL to the phone. I have first hand experience with this. I would assume it is possible but just a matter of if they are willing to do it.
Of course it is possible
I have used Alltel phones on VZW and VZW phones on Alltel with only telling them the ESN. I am on Alltel now and want to take my 6800 to Sprint. Sprint sales says I can, but no one knows what steps I'll have to take. Want to just trade phones?
I can get a Sprint Mogul way cheap, but I've got Verizon. I used to have a Cingular HTC 8125 that I unlocked and used a T-Mobile ROM for their equivalent. I keep hearing something about an ESN table that's gotta be updated or something.
Is it even possible for me to get the Mogul to work on Verizon? I'd want all features to work.
tia...
Yes it can be done. i have an alltel ppc6800 on vzw. the easiest way to do it is from the vzw website esn switch or activate equipment. There are some other steps you have to take to get the software loaded, not the stock rom. Then you will have to call vzw and have them reset your DMU keys. start here:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=20090
or send you phone in:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=24855
Oh and you'll have yo change the SPC code since it's a sprint phone. need to get that to a 000000, again the first post will help with that.
Hope this helps.
Thanx. Helpful info.
a friend recently purchased a sprint branded mogul and has attempted to hax verizons settings onto it, but it aint working.
anyone got some working instructions on how to do this? i know its possible, but i can't find anything on it.
First if verizon won't accept the esn or add it to there system then give up because it isn't going to happen.
oh how i love cdma, but still thats not the problem.
its still using sprints radio and whatnot even after flashing it=
The radio has no bearing on the problem. Just install a custom rom with verizon carrier cab or install verizon rom. Also update to a current verizon prl. And change you epst settings. It would help if you had another verizon phone to copy the settings from.
FWIW, Upper "management" from my current (small) carrier told me that Verizon was now accepting devices that were not originally sold by Verizon. I drove two hours to a corporate Verizon store to discuss activating a device (provided by my carrier, long story) and was told by the corporate Verizon tech no how, no way!
You chances of getting one activated are slim. You have to find the right tech to add the esn to there dmd.