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Can anyone get their hands on the TouchFLO UI CAB so we can give it a try on the Athena? The functionality was released on the HTC Touch in the UK. Maybe someone can get the CAB off of the HTC Touch and we can give it a try on our Athenas.
http://www.htctouch.com
Check out the TouchFLO try me link at the bottom of the page.
ltxda said:
Can anyone get their hands on the TouchFLO UI CAB so we can give it a try on the Athena? The functionality was released on the HTC Touch in the UK. Maybe someone can get the CAB off of the HTC Touch and we can give it a try on our Athenas.
http://www.htctouch.com
Check out the TouchFLO try me link at the bottom of the page.
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Now that is nice. Especially if it worked in landscape on the Athena.
Indeed. Very interesting.
I'll be looking for it too.
HTC's Touch is QVGA....
From what I've read of the specs, the HTC Touch is a QVGA device without 3G!
If the Cube Touch software is anything like the QVGA HTC Audio Manager I've seen, it will look pathetic on the Athena.
IMHO, it needs to be in a VGA device before it's worth considering installing it to the Athena and preferably a device with similar if not same hardware and software features, in order for all things to be accessible through it's interface.
Having said all that, I read somewhere recently that the Advantage comes with HTC Audio Manager (supposedly no better or worse than WMplayer), but at least natively VGA.
The Touch GUI looks great, but I know one thing for sure, if it lives up to the hype and actually allows better and more intuitive navigation through finger-touch, you can bet your bottom dollar that some big software developers like Spb will be on the bandwagon to produce an even better variant of it.
Great for the rest of the PPC community, whether VGA or QVGA.
May be it has something to do with screen build quality as well....I have a feeling that even though if we install all the interface cabs for "multi touch input method", still Athena screen will not be able to support it.
Does it has anything to do with screen build quality?
few reviews on HTC touch:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/06/05/htc-touch-hands-on/
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_with_touchflo_technology-news-274.php
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From what I've read of the specs, the HTC Touch is a QVGA device without 3G!
If the Cube Touch software is anything like the QVGA HTC Audio Manager I've seen, it will look pathetic on the Athena.
IMHO, it needs to be in a VGA device before it's worth considering installing it to the Athena and preferably a device with similar if not same hardware and software features, in order for all things to be accessible through it's interface.
Having said all that, I read somewhere recently that the Advantage comes with HTC Audio Manager (supposedly no better or worse than WMplayer), but at least natively VGA.
The Touch GUI looks great, but I know one thing for sure, if it lives up to the hype and actually allows better and more intuitive navigation through finger-touch, you can bet your bottom dollar that some big software developers like Spb will be on the bandwagon to produce an even better variant of it.
Great for the rest of the PPC community, whether VGA or QVGA.
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I want to give it a try. I see your points but am curious about it working and potentially enhancing the UI. From the demo it looked like a nice new toy to have. I'm thinking it's similar to what they did with the iPhone theme where you had the slider lock, etc. If you can at least swap screens and make custom menus using TouchFLO, that would be great. As for the phone it was released on...shame on HTC for putting something like this on such an inferior device ;-)
Nara-e-Mastana said:
May be it has something to do with screen build quality as well....I have a feeling that even though if we install all the interface cabs for "multi touch input method", still Athena screen will not be able to support it.
Does it has anything to do with screen build quality?
few reviews on HTC touch:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/06/05/htc-touch-hands-on/
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_with_touchflo_technology-news-274.php
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I don't think so but I could be wrong. For example, the iPhone theme uses slider bars, etc and can be loaded onto the Athena, with a little help of third party software. I hope someone posts the CAB so I can test it out. I'll load it and report my findings if someone can get it.
Nara-e-Mastana said:
May be it has something to do with screen build quality as well....I have a feeling that even though if we install all the interface cabs for "multi touch input method", still Athena screen will not be able to support it.
Does it has anything to do with screen build quality?
few reviews on HTC touch:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/06/05/htc-touch-hands-on/
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_with_touchflo_technology-news-274.php
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It isn't multi touch.
Or have I missed something?
ltxda said:
I want to give it a try. I see your points but am curious about it working and potentially enhancing the UI. From the demo it looked like a nice new toy to have. I'm thinking it's similar to what they did with the iPhone theme where you had the slider lock, etc. If you can at least swap screens and make custom menus using TouchFLO, that would be great. As for the phone it was released on...shame on HTC for putting something like this on such an inferior device ;-)
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Gotta agree with you ltxda. I still want to try it too.
i think it would be great. i know there are other softwares that use this interface. so i think ppc is capable but its all about the software limitation.
If were lucky, alan from the HTC Touch post can investigate this for us as he has just acquired such a device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1301886&posted=1#post1301886
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If were lucky, alan from the HTC Touch post can investigate this for us as he has just acquired such a device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1301886&posted=1#post1301886
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That's awesome! Great thinking mackaby007! Can't wait for him to reply and maybe send us a CAB or two.
Bad news so far...
This is what Paul of Modaco has reported so far;
"Random Touch trivia after spending some time today 'digging around'...
- The screen has it’s own new driver version (touch.dll). This means the TouchFLO interface won’t port to other devices. In fact, I tried it - just to be sure - by installing the driver on my Trinity, and the touchscreen stopped working ohmy.gif
- The fancy today screen plugin is just that, and would be easy for HTC to drop onto any device.
- Out of the box I feel the sensitivity of the screen is a little lacking (it occasionally misses clicks or taps from my finger or stylus), however this seems to be configurable in the registry – watch this space
- The Touch has a new version of HTC’s ‘Task Manager’ (close button) application, a new Camera application, and a very nifty network wizard for setting up GPRS settings. These settings are held on the device in a passworded ZIP file!
- NO PHONE PAD T9 ON THE TOUCH! What the hell were they thinking? I had a good moan to our HTC about it, and demo’d what Phone Pad would be like on the Touch... wink.gif
- When you boot the device, it does the email config (you know, the one that connects to the server to get settings?) and then the config of the data connection. Duh! Wrong order!
- All the IR drivers etc. are in ROM despite their being no IR port!
- The fancy UI takes up a lot of memory
- Audio Manager, Comm Manager and the Phone Dialler are all grey-skinned to match the homescreen UI. It looks real nice biggrin.gif
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Not looking good at the mo, but let's not give up hope.
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This is what Paul of Modaco has reported so far;
"Random Touch trivia after spending some time today 'digging around'...
- The screen has it’s own new driver version (touch.dll). This means the TouchFLO interface won’t port to other devices. In fact, I tried it - just to be sure - by installing the driver on my Trinity, and the touchscreen stopped working ohmy.gif
- The fancy today screen plugin is just that, and would be easy for HTC to drop onto any device.
- Out of the box I feel the sensitivity of the screen is a little lacking (it occasionally misses clicks or taps from my finger or stylus), however this seems to be configurable in the registry – watch this space
- The Touch has a new version of HTC’s ‘Task Manager’ (close button) application, a new Camera application, and a very nifty network wizard for setting up GPRS settings. These settings are held on the device in a passworded ZIP file!
- NO PHONE PAD T9 ON THE TOUCH! What the hell were they thinking? I had a good moan to our HTC about it, and demo’d what Phone Pad would be like on the Touch... wink.gif
- When you boot the device, it does the email config (you know, the one that connects to the server to get settings?) and then the config of the data connection. Duh! Wrong order!
- All the IR drivers etc. are in ROM despite their being no IR port!
- The fancy UI takes up a lot of memory
- Audio Manager, Comm Manager and the Phone Dialler are all grey-skinned to match the homescreen UI. It looks real nice biggrin.gif
smile.gif
P"
Not looking good at the mo, but let's not give up hope.
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If he wants, have him give us the passworded ZIP file. I'll try to crack it.
I guess we'll have to have someone take a look at the dll mentioned above and see what can be done about that...if there is enough interest.
Maybe we could at least have the today plugin? That looks pretty sweet.
Touch.DLL
I Have a T-Mobile Wing, and I have the Touch.dll file in \Windows . . . (Touch.dll 26.9k 3/21/07 21:21.04)
It came that way, does that mean that TouchFlo may work on my device?
2 things i do not like:
mackaby007 said:
- Out of the box I feel the sensitivity of the screen is a little lacking (it occasionally misses clicks or taps from my finger or stylus), however this seems to be configurable in the registry – watch this space
- The fancy UI takes up a lot of memory
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pretty dissapointing but to be expected i guess.
Just grab yourself Wisbar, and the graphics file and youll be 2/3rds the way home and hosed to recreating the Interface.
Osir1s said:
Just grab yourself Wisbar, and the graphics file and youll be 2/3rds the way home and hosed to recreating the Interface.
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Well see, we're not trying to recreate the interface, we're trying to get the actual app from the actual source and see if it works. Please try to contribute to the thread instead of making ambiguous statements!
WarezAppz said:
I Have a T-Mobile Wing, and I have the Touch.dll file in \Windows . . . (Touch.dll 26.9k 3/21/07 21:21.04)
It came that way, does that mean that TouchFlo may work on my device?
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Just maybe, you never know. I can't remember which post I read, but I do recall it mentioning that the the screen is a new techology and another report that that would not make it a standard WM6 device (I remember now, a discussion at 4winmobile.com about the HTC Touch etc..). Anyway, that makes sense + fellow member neilm also went on to mention that a lot of current WM5 & WM6 wouldn't work on it as it wasn't written with this type of multi-touch screen in mind.
Fair point I think and follows the logik that HTC haven't built a WM6 device that is incompatible with software written for its O/S. No it's more likely that that .dll is all the software needed to make that plug-in (shell or whatever) interface with any WM touch screen.
So, WarezApps, if you have the .dll by default, it could mean that your device is capable of running the plug-in with the screen driver you seem to have, as they may have considered selling it as a default app within your device, but possibly recognized the potential to knock out another new device (for more money), which will appeal to some people just for this particular touch interface!
I think it will work with that Touch.dll screen driver.
Can you upload your file for us all to share and examine.
Anyway bottom line: I think it's all about transferable software now and just want to try it for myself to see.
Okay,
So I am a power user, and that might be putting it lightly. When it comes to deciding between the Mogul and the Touch, I want the Mogul. Well, I DO want the Touch because its thinner, but I couldn't stand using a touch-screen keyboard with my fingers (or even worse, a stylus). I need a separate keyboard that doesn't take up any screen space while browsing.
What I'm curious about is this: Are the touchscreens on the Mogul and the Touch actually different? Forget dimensions etc., but i mean in terms of the technology, are they the same? If they are the same, then all the current hacks to try to turn the Mogul into a Touch-like phone will eventually (who knows how long) mature enough to work almost identically, is that correct?
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If they are the same, then all the current hacks to try to turn the Mogul into a Touch-like phone will eventually (who knows how long) mature enough to work almost identically, is that correct?
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They are indeed the same, last I checked. There was a rumor that the touch would be multi-touch (ala Iphone), but clearly that wasn't true. The term "touch" merely relates to the suite of touch-centric software that actually sits on top of WM.
That's right, there's nothing fancy about the touch that you can't do with the same software. That software, I'd like to add, has already been extracted as .cab files that can be installed on virtually ANY WM5 or WM6 HTC pocket pc.
So, I don't know what this "maturing" is that you're talking about, or why you think it would be "almost" identical... its the same darned thing!!!
The stuff that's being developed currently is to take it beyond the touch, and more like the finger scrolling iPhone interface.
All of the stuff, I'd like to point out again, sits on TOP of Windows Mobile, meaning its just a program that can sometimes get in the way of how WM was actually designed to work.
Sometimes its convenient to have, but in general, I find any of the touch / finger / iphone add ons to be more trouble than their worth, and that goes for the ACTUAL htc touch as well!!
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They are indeed the same, last I checked. There was a rumor that the touch would be multi-touch (ala Iphone), but clearly that wasn't true. The term "touch" merely relates to the suite of touch-centric software that actually sits on top of WM.
That's right, there's nothing fancy about the touch that you can't do with the same software. That software, I'd like to add, has already been extracted as .cab files that can be installed on virtually ANY WM5 or WM6 HTC pocket pc.
So, I don't know what this "maturing" is that you're talking about, or why you think it would be "almost" identical... its the same darned thing!!!
The stuff that's being developed currently is to take it beyond the touch, and more like the finger scrolling iPhone interface.
All of the stuff, I'd like to point out again, sits on TOP of Windows Mobile, meaning its just a program that can sometimes get in the way of how WM was actually designed to work.
Sometimes its convenient to have, but in general, I find any of the touch / finger / iphone add ons to be more trouble than their worth, and that goes for the ACTUAL htc touch as well!!
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Um... please show me where I can download the touchflo interface that works exactly like the touch. All the versions I've gotten require the use of buttons instead of touch, and are extremely buggy. If you you know of a cab that gives the mogul all the touchflo features, by all means let me know...
my suggestion, if you have Sprint...wait
Sprint's versio of the HTC Touch is apparently due out in November. It'll be only a matter of time before someone extracts those cabs and/or creates a new touch-based, CDMA-based rom that can be more easily ported to the mogul.
I for one am interested in the new on screen keyboard interfacethe new touch is supposed to have...
I tried using the other method to get the home-brewed (button-based) touch, but I ran into a few problems and uninstalled.
Quick question.
Does or can wm6 support multi touch hardware?
The touch from sprint will have twice the memory (128mb ram) - i don't know about you guys, but I'm constantly filling up the supposed 64mb realistic 47mb really 17mb after cache/etc of memory that this device has...
-mark
Is the iPhone the only one with a multi-touch interface? What is the next phone that will have it?
I saw that in the developing session they made a touch cube look a like application,but works for wm5-6....do you think it will be possible to have one for wm2003??
No it's not possible 'cause TouchFLO uses some files which aren't available for WM2003SE, I think!
at the end with our "fantastic specifications" of the Alpine but with wm2003, we can't try anything that could be useful...
.I think at the end I will take an HTC TOUCH CRUISE!!!
I should say that I am trying the spb pocketplus 4 and all smart scrolling (like iphone and Htc touch) are working...so why you say that it is not possible to have cube on wm2003 device???
They could do the same job they are doing for all other device without touchflow technology
i would also like the cube for wm2003, im using spb pocket plus 4 as well, & love the scrolling! is there any possible way for the cube to work on wm2003?? even a launcher? or somthing?
how can i activate the smart scrolling on spb 4
how can i activate the smart scrolling on spb 4?
Try this application, Slither2006's cube, SCLPC++. The latest version is WM5 only but he has released aversion which works just fine on my Alpine, the only caveat is that you can't use a finger swipe to start the application, just assign it to a button and you are good to go. All the other rotations etc are done withing the application itself.
Hello friends, I present to you an application that many are expecting, "Manila Control" also known as M3D control or M2D Control.
It's a simple program that allows us to switch between 2D or 3D Manila and the "Today" of Windows. Allows you to set our screen "Today" with our favorite plugins and Manila also used simultaneously.
Installation:
- Copy the cab to the terminal and install
- Use within MC Config Start - Programs - MC
- Tap set menu choose your Manila 2D or 3D and whether those who want to start after reboot.
- To end tap menu - SoftReset
Description:
- The application allows the use of today's windows and 2D/3D Manila.
- To exchange desk, is from Left softkey, but it hardbutoon can assign a, a FTouchFlo and in some models a gesture of activation of the cube. (There's configure it manually).
- The application does not interpret gestures.
- Close to leave Manila for more available RAM (Right SoftKey).
- Manila You can start at boot or not.
- Eliminates Manila from the list of items today.
- Some entries may appear in Spanish if you do not use a ROM WEE.
- The application does not stay resident in memory so it does not consume RAM.
Is a free, but voluntary donations are welcome.
You can use to include it in your ROMs, only respects to the author.
Mirrors do not, if you want to write something on the application or on your Web forum, put a link to this thread on XDA-Developers.com or the corresponding HTCSpain.com, so users can always have easy access to changes and updates.
The application is not OpenSource therefore not permitted any change in any component or part of it without explicit authorization.
Download the file has been fattened to 5Mb just to get points den rapidshare, the cab is really just about 100kb. For users who have problems with Rapid, I create another smaller mirror, but if you can please use the download of 5MB as I provide Rapid points.
Thanks to my friends to do the tests: Franlov (Diamond and Omnia), Xuo (Polaris), JCespi2005 (Touch Pro) and I have tested in Niki, Elf and Prophet.
Download RAPIDSHARE
Some videos running on a Diamond, Touch Pro and Phophet.
Touch Pro by Jcespi2005: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_e3R65bq00
Diamond by Franlov: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF0m72sGQvY
Prophet by MastSogo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MXSU1TH5LI
The Spanish speakers are lucky that is already built into ROM in Spanish for Prophet, Niki, Elf / Elfin, Polaris and Touch Pro. And in the very near to Herald, Kaiser and Diamond.
TO DO (For next versions):
- Traslate error test to english.
- Add options to set activation mode.
- Add force show Modes.
- Add option for close manila mode, to reelase RAM (but will be slow)
- Release more RAM when close Manila3D.
- More traslations for othes.
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Mirror, (pass htcspain.com) only if have problems with rapid.
Link by JCespi2005 Manila control & FTouchFlo (preconfigurated) http://rapidshare.com/files/16892007...cspian.com.rar
Para los usuarios hispano hablantes este es el sito oficial donde doy soporte: http://www.htcspain.com/foro-f83/manila-control-equot-vuelve-a-tener-el-control-de-tu-t14418.html
Can't wait, to test it. The videos showing, what we can expect. YEAH
This looks really neat! Cant wait to test it!
Looks great! Nice, easy integration of the classic Today screen with TF3D/2D.
I remember seeing a video of this program some time ago, and I've been waiting for it ever since. Can't wait!
yeah ! many thanks for developing this will definitely try it out
good to hear ... but for manipulating the home screen of m2d or m3d is existing ... and we'll be public in some days .... maybe tomorrow ..
what is this qvga tf3d?new version?
Very nice! Can't wait to check it out.
my FUZE will be thankful upon the release of this!
Late,
Jstar
Any chance this could allow our kaisers to sleep with tf3d running?
cbass said:
Any chance this could allow our kaisers to sleep with tf3d running?
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I have not tried it, but it is possible to solve this problem by incorporating the functions.
mastsogo said:
Hello friends, I present to you an application that many are expecting, "Manila Control" also known as M3D control or M2D Control.
It's a simple program that allows us to switch between 2D or 3D Manila and the "Today" of Windows. Allows you to set our screen "Today" with our favorite plugins and Manila also used simultaneously.
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looks great, this is definitely an app that I would use. Looking forward to a release
now this is something I'd like to see.
great software control; good luck for this first release
very good idea!
Hope it will be avable soon!
Excellent job Mastsogo
Hey man,
that is a really great idea!!!
Could you add a function, that it TF3D in QVGA is enabled, that there is a function like the auto standby in windows mobile.
Cause there is the standby issue with ported TF3D on some devices. I thought about something like this:
If TF3D enabled and no user action is recognized for time x
then disable tf3d and go to standby.
At wake up reenable TF3D.
That would be great and it would make TF3D on my kaiser ready for every day use
If you need someone for testing, just PM me.
i hop sleep mo d fixes and start menu problems w
JeckyllHavok said:
Hey man,
that is a really great idea!!!
Could you add a function, that it TF3D in QVGA is enabled, that there is a function like the auto standby in windows mobile.
Cause there is the standby issue with ported TF3D on some devices. I thought about something like this:
If TF3D enabled and no user action is recognized for time x
then disable tf3d and go to standby.
At wake up reenable TF3D.
That would be great and it would make TF3D on my kaiser ready for every day use
If you need someone for testing, just PM me.
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Exactly! On Kaisers with TF3D when we hit the power button maybe that generates a Mortscript to switch to HTC Home then sleep, as the issue (I think) is with TF3D gaining focus of all windows.
Although I have heard also that this is not the case and its the OpenGL drivers themselves that does not allow the device to sleep.
Looks great.
Let's wait
I showed a friend of mine how, on my Fuze, I'm able to flick through my emails in Outlook and he was wondering if there was a similar app for his Palm Pro (Sprint).
Whenever I do a search for 'TouchFlo' on the forum, I usually end up with threads about M2D or M3D, which isn't what I'm looking for. Is there any way to add the TouchFLO from the Fuze/Raphael to the Treo Pro? If not, does anyone know if FTouchFLO provides the same functionality as HTC's TF?
I am almost certian Manilla is a code name from the developers for touchflo. As for the M2D(Manilla 2d) is touchFlo 2d and M3D(Manilla 3D) is touchflo 3D. So thats the case. Go and check youtube videos of M2D or M3D and see if thats what your looking for. But like you said on your Fuze (Touch Pro) then it was M3D which is not working for our treo pro
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334965
You want this! I run it on my wife's TreoPro and it is flawless. The alphas are free, the final versions are now a paid app but include some other stuff along with being a bit more stable. Lighweight and dependable.
Brian:
I'm pretty sure Manilla and TouchFlo are different things. Manilla (2D and 3D) is just a user interface. I'm talking about the underlying gesture recognizer that comes on the Fuze. I call it TouchFLO because that is the entry in the control panel. The wiki says the name 'TouchFLO' is just HTC's branding, but it's also the finger interface that other devices lack.
furry:
I was looking at FTouchFLO, but wasn't sure it did everything my friend liked that HTC's TouchFLO does. On your wife's Treo, when you're in Outlook reading an email, can you flick the screen left for the next message and right for the previous?
Me and Zbop were talking about porting Touch Flo 3D to work on the Treo Pro.
He would patch the binaries to work under 320x320 and I would resize the graphic files and repoistion everything.
I'd have to get in contact with him to see if we can get this going or not.
I for sure would do it.
SO what is available for the Pro as of right now? Just TouchFLO 2D? How does it differ from TouchFLO 3D? I am just using SPB Mobile Shell 3 and find it a vast improvement over the standard Today screen crap. The interface is much sexier and much more condusive to fingering.
It is what it says. Its basically Touch Flo 2D except with 3D graphics and more eye candy.
Though it has more features.
My understanding about M3D vs. M2D is just aesthetics through hardware acceleration. For example, in M2D, the photo browsing tab lets you flick through your photos. M3D does the same, with the added effect of the photo actually sliding off the screen and the next taking its place. Just eye candy. (That, and I think M2D doesn't support VGA resolution as cleanly as M3D.)
You'll notice I'm referring to Manilla 2D and 3D and NOT TouchFLO. The HTC TouchFLO program I started this tread about is the underlying app that recognizes finger gestures for Manilla as well as adding 'flick-scroll' support to apps that don't internally support it (such as Total Commander or Outlook).
The main feature I'm looking for is specifically used in Outlook. It allows you to go to the next email by flicking the screen to the left or the previous to the right. It also allows you to flick to different email accounts if you're looking at the summary screen.
The program that you're looking for to have the finger scrolling option is called:
FtouchSL. I tried version 2.10 and it works just awesome on the Treo Pro GSM.
All you have to do is disable it in apps that don't like it. I'd HIGHLY recommend this proggie. Good luck!
Web Page
http://www.ftouchsl.com/
I don't see why you'd want/need the finger-flicking on devices that have a useable D-pad.
For a touch-only device, yes you need it, and it helps the screen to be the entire user interface.
The Treo Pro has buttons. If you don't want to use them, I suggest buying something with a bigger screen.