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Cloning the O2 sim for use in another phone

A little off topic, I know, but has anybody been able to use something like this --> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9104458427&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:UK:1&rd=1 to make a copy of their Exec's O2 sim for us in another phone for situations where the exec isn't appropriate?
It would be handy to have a second phone for use when I don't want to take the Exec without having to keep swapping the sim.
Cheers,
Steve.

these wont work for the exec, because you will receive a 3g card from o2. this package looks like it will only take standard gsm sims ie 2 and 2.5g. also, i think the new sims in general are not "crackable" at this point.

Doesn't O2 offer this as a LEGAL service?
The SIM in your phone is probably legally defined as O2 property, and they've probably not agreed to copying of their product.
If you read all of the fine print, you'll probably see some stuff about this.
But, yes: It's nice..

2 sims - one number
They're working on it.
The ebay item doesn't claim to be able to actually clone a SIM card though, just backup up or consolidate if you have multiple SIMs.

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davebo said:
They're working on it.
The ebay item doesn't claim to be able to actually clone a SIM card though, just backup up or consolidate if you have multiple SIMs.
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No, but if you can select between 16 numbers to use, then surely, it's like copying 16 sims into 1? Even if I were to only copy 1 sim, if it could act as if it were that sim in another phone, then that would do the job.
Cheers,
Steve.

There is a slight problem in all of this. You cannot have to sims logged on using the same MISDN . So all that would happen is the operator would be alerted to the fact that 2 sims were trying to usre the same MISDN and you would be put into the fraud management system and the phone might be disconnected.
When people scan and clone phones they do not use the phone on standby for long periods of time they simply make a few calls and switch off. Unless they time it when the real user is logged on and tries to make a call it is unlikely to be picked up.
Also it will vconfuse the HLR in the gsm network .
So all in all onot a good idea.
Charlie

Hm? Back home in the Netherlands we used to be able to get two SIMs with the same number from our providers... The idea was, you had one in your built-in car phone, and one in your portable handset; when you got out of the car, switch that phone off, and the other one on, and it'll register the other SIM, and hey presto! You could not use both SIMs at the same time, ofcourse.

I bought one, THEN read up on the facts (doh!)
There is no de-cryption algorithm for any SIM cards supplied in the UK over the last 2-4 years. True, the old SIMs could be copied, but the v.2 system cannot.
Still, it is a nice piece of kit for reading your SIM contacts over USB, and didn't cost a fortune.
I'm actually quite pleased that SIMs are this secure, 'cos I wouldn't want them easily copyable by the bad guys.

I bought one, THEN read up on the facts (doh!)
There is no de-cryption algorithm for any SIM cards supplied in the UK over the last 2-4 years. True, the old SIMs could be copied, but the v.2 system cannot.
Still, it is a nice piece of kit for reading your SIM contacts over USB, and didn't cost a fortune.
I'm actually quite pleased that SIMs are this secure, 'cos I wouldn't want them easily copyable by the bad guys.

In the Nehterlands I know that KPN and t-Mobile offer dual sims, the problem is as mentioned here already that you can not use them both at the same time. Also if you have 3G sim the second sim you get is not 3G. those are the rules by KPN.
I used to live in Israel and there Orange gives out dua sims where you can keep both phones on. On the incoming call both phones ring at the same time and you can decide which to pick up. The SMS trafic thought goes to the phone which was turned on first. The way they are doing this is by giving both sims an extra GHOST number which used to start with a Zero. then what they did was simply forward the calls between two sims. They had a huge blunder though: Forwarding officially costs money but in this case it has to be free, so they by mistake on their first couple of bill specifications posted the forwarding calls with Zero as charge, thus I was able to know what are the ghost numbers and call between the phones completely for free. It did mean that the you could call the the ghost numbers only from those 2 phones and not any other phone, kind of internal cirquit. So we enjoyed it very much since my wife and me just used those two phones and comunications between these two was free of charge.
So as you see technicaly it is possible to make both phones ring at the same time....

same number multiple sims

Hi all, this is gonna sound dumb, I imagine, and I just don't feel like calling cingular, but before I got my tytn I didn't know anything about cellular services etc.
I just wanna know if anyone can tell me if I can get two sim cards with the same number on both?, so I can like use my other phone on days that I wanna throw my tytn, without having to pop open covers and remove batteries.

I have been told by Cingular and other provider that this in not an option. You phone number is assoitated with a SIM ID so you can only have 1 SIM ID to a phone number.

What about having two sims, different numbers but with caller redirect to the second number if Hermes phone is not answered. This way callers only ever use one number but you can answer on either phone?
Mike

jcb_home said:
I have been told by Cingular and other provider that this in not an option. You phone number is assoitated with a SIM ID so you can only have 1 SIM ID to a phone number.
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Wrong, one can have one phone number on several SIMs, up to four in Europe. T-Mobile Germany, also present in the US market, i.e. offers 3 SIM cards with the same number as their "Multi SIM" product. You can operate 3 mobile phones, or any combination of phone-capable machines (PDA, PC etc.) at once, and take calls on any of the phones.
The two additional cards cost 9 euro per month in Germany, to give you a figure. Check with your service provider.

this is a service offered by most operators, in spain for example with Orange it's called "duo card" or with Vodafone it's called "twin card". Just ask Cingular about this service, they will probably ask you a monthly fee for the second sim (1-2 dollars more on each bill).

Thanks everyone, I just thought I would ask here before I called a rep and talked to them, incase I needed to mention..or not mention a few things, but after reading here, I called one local cingular store, and they said they didn't offer two sims on one number.
Mike, on that redirecting, I'm guessin I would have to add a line for the second sim? would kinda suck to pay another $10.00 a month just to avoid havin to pull a sim, but I might have to consider it.
Thanks again for the time and info everyone.

ChaoticDruid said:
Thanks everyone, I just thought I would ask here before I called a rep and talked to them, incase I needed to mention..or not mention a few things, but after reading here, I called one local cingular store, and they said they didn't offer that service.
Mike, on that redirecting, I'm guessin I would have to add a line for the second sim? would kinds suck to pay another $10.00 a month just to avoid havin to pull a sim, but I might have to consider it.
Thanks again for the time and info everyone.
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Well it might depend how often you would use it and what for. If jit's just for ocassional use without any frills what about pay as you go?

I think it would be cool if they offer this stateside. I would leave one, on a charger, in the car.
This way, the car has it's own phone. completes the whole integration thing.

can t-mobile disable a mda by imei?

so..my buddies phone keeps 'searching' for signal.. im thinking they have disabled the imei #.. it was working the other day with with his cingular sim in it but now its constantly searching and when he goes into the network tab to select manual it says 'cant read settings from network'

Theoretically, yes. When you report a phone as stolen, the carrier will usually block the SIM card and mark the IMEI number as stolen*. I've never heard of a carrier just randomly blocking a IMEI number though. And as far as I know there's no way for them to know that the phone had another carrier's SIM card in it.
* Of course, in the case of Cingular, they do absolutely nothing with that information. When my phone was stolen (later returned, thankfully) I was on the phone with them for a long time. The only thing that would happen with a blacklisted IMEI is, IF the person took it to a store, and the associate saw it was stolen and took the initiative to take it from them and call the police.

well hes changed the rom to different verisons and also different radio verisons trying to fix and nothing is picking up signal.. so u have any ideas what could be going on?

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well hes changed the rom to different verisons and also different radio verisons trying to fix and nothing is picking up signal.. so u have any ideas what could be going on?
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Try a new sim card. I had my Tmobile sim card take a dump on me and that is exactly what my SDA did, kept searching for a signal. So my advice is try another sim card and if the phone picks up signal then tell him to go to his carrier and get a new one. They should do it for free.

we tried multi carrier sim cards.. tmobile cingular and cellular one.. stuck on searching.

I dont know how it is donw over in the US, but in the UK i believe that the Imei can be blockd so the phone will not work correctly. So the phone is dead to the world!!!

thats how its looking. and i cant get the imei change tool from the site to work!

funman said:
I dont know how it is donw over in the US, but in the UK i believe that the Imei can be blockd so the phone will not work correctly. So the phone is dead to the world!!!
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Yeah i beleve Europe and the UK will block an IMEI reported stolen. The US carriers dont care. They would rather sell you another phone, even if its a free phone, and rope you into another contract. Think about it, blocking stolen IMEIs requires effort that does not pay the company back. Giving away a free phone requires effort that makes them money because you are stuck in another contract, and they can collect the termination fee if you decide to dump said contract.

Thats why in the UK most of us pay abit more each month so if the phone is taken or lost we get a new on on the same contract and the company gets no more money as no new contact!!!!!
And now you are saying to your self in the USA why did we not stay with the Brits!!! We would be better off!!!
Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the wave
God save our people and that DUMB Queen as well!
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two sims, one number, two phones

Is it possible to clone a sim card and then have say an mda running with one installed and a going out phone with the other.
i'm guessing its possible but am after a step by step if anyones feeling helpful.
I wouldn't want to have both phones turned on at once if that makes it an easier process. Just getting hacked off at swapping sim all the time.

You cant clone a Sim like Hollywood Movies ... not normal Guys like you and me!
Talk with your Provider!
Same have a Service with Master Slave Cards. In Austria you can have 1 numbers and a lot of device they ring at the same time or in priority.

Cheers netrunner. Yep i probably have watched to many films. I tried to call my provider (tmob uk) but i'd have more luck getting into Angelina Jolie's knickers than speaking to someone there with an ounce of savvy.

ClashOfThe said:
Cheers netrunner. Yep i probably have watched to many films. I tried to call my provider (tmob uk) but i'd have more luck getting into Angelina Jolie's knickers than speaking to someone there with an ounce of savvy.
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Is it possible to clone the sim...yes...but illegal. You buy one of those 6 in 1 or 12 in 1 sim's plus reader for about $10 on ebay. (oh...only Tmobile still uses the Version 1 sim's that these can clone..everyone else has upgraded to version 2 which is uncrackable currently)
Is it possible to clone the phone..yes..but illegal....the hacking and development board has a thread on a free IMEI changer...you would have to run that and make sure both phones had the same IMEI.
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Even if you did ALL those things there is no way you could have both on at the same time....every 20 minutes the phone reconnects with the tower...the tower is only going to allow 1 connection at a time so your connection is constantly going to switch from one to the other...and they will notice this and bad things will happen to your account and men in suits may show up at your door. The best you could manage is to turn one or the other on at a time which basically defeats the purpose.
Now go to your provider and pay them the extra for a 2nd line and use conditional call forwarding (forward to phone 2 when phone 1 doesn't answer..used to forward to voicemail normally) to accomplish the same thing.

Good thinking
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Is it possible to clone the sim...yes...but illegal. You buy one of those 6 in 1 or 12 in 1 sim's plus reader for about $10 on ebay. (oh...only Tmobile still uses the Version 1 sim's that these can clone..everyone else has upgraded to version 2 which is uncrackable currently)
Is it possible to clone the phone..yes..but illegal....the hacking and development board has a thread on a free IMEI changer...you would have to run that and make sure both phones had the same IMEI.
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Even if you did ALL those things there is no way you could have both on at the same time....every 20 minutes the phone reconnects with the tower...the tower is only going to allow 1 connection at a time so your connection is constantly going to switch from one to the other...and they will notice this and bad things will happen to your account and men in suits may show up at your door. The best you could manage is to turn one or the other on at a time which basically defeats the purpose.
Now go to your provider and pay them the extra for a 2nd line and use conditional call forwarding (forward to phone 2 when phone 1 doesn't answer..used to forward to voicemail normally) to accomplish the same thing.
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Right with that clever piece of logic i'll try it with a pay as you go sim and forward from the contract one and that should do what i want. (just hope the forwarding charge comes off my free mins)
Called Tmobile uk who have told me that the call forwarding to the pay as you go sim wont cost any more and will come out of my contracted minutes.

[Q] A few questions about the MyTouch and GSM in general.

Okay, first off, I will preface this thread and questions by stating that I come from cdma phone world. This glacier is my first GSM android and I find them absolutely facinating. Secondly, I am advanced in the tech sector, so I am asking these questions from a professional standpoint and any help or input is welcomed.
So on with the questions.
1.) For GSM phones, is there a utility application like CDMAworkshop and QPST that I can use to see the settings (radio and network settings is mostly what I am after).
Currently, I am aware of an app called SIM TOOLKIT but it only asks for a 8 digit unlock code for the SIM itself, not for the phone. I would like to change the settings of the quality of the calls, and just play around with stuff I am familiar with, or become familiar with.
2.) What is a IMSI, IMEI, and what does the GSM phone send to the carrier (provider network)? I know with CDMA phones, we just can read the memory and change serial numbers. But I have a tracfone sim card and a mytouch tmob phone. I want the mytouch to be able to use the phone portion but they keep disconnecting me, so I have to match my info to the other phone. I got it to work successfully time and time again, but I keep getting disconnected, and it looks like its by a human cause its not at all in sync with a timer or a pattern, at least I haven't noticed it. I know they can dc phones at will and I was just wondering what information they get when making that decision.
3.) Has anyone done a tracfone sim on a glacier (t-mobile mytouch 4g) before? I have the sim unlocked, s-off, root, and custom recovery. I have also changed the IMEI number. I know the process of opening it up in a binary program, using the command 'dd' to modify /dev/block/mmcblk0p7 cause thats where its located. Also there is a T-MOB010 carrier id in that file, should I be changing this to tracfone's CID (carrier ID) and if so, does anyone know that?
I know this is a bit advanced, hopefully someone out there will help me out. There is no funny business going on here, I am just trying to use my tracfone sim in my droid, both are my phones, one i bought from someone for cheap.
I get it to work but random times it will get Disconnected seems like a person. Talk and Text only is needed, not mobile network or 3g or 4g.
ALSO, concerning /dev/block/mmcblk0p7 that is where the IMEI is located... does anyone know any other locations of IMSI or IMEI numbers? I find this fascinating and would like to know what mmcblk0p7 stands for, and what part of the radio and firmware this makes up as well of other locations similiar to this.

birdisthewordfella said:
Okay, first off, I will preface this thread and questions by stating that I come from cdma phone world. This glacier is my first GSM android and I find them absolutely facinating. Secondly, I am advanced in the tech sector, so I am asking these questions from a professional standpoint and any help or input is welcomed.
So on with the questions.
1.) For GSM phones, is there a utility application like CDMAworkshop and QPST that I can use to see the settings (radio and network settings is mostly what I am after).
In the GSM world we just flash various radios. Those can be found the development forum.
Currently, I am aware of an app called SIM TOOLKIT but it only asks for a 8 digit unlock code for the SIM itself, not for the phone. I would like to change the settings of the quality of the calls, and just play around with stuff I am familiar with, or become familiar with.
2.) What is a IMSI, IMEI, and what does the GSM phone send to the carrier (provider network)? I know with CDMA phones, we just can read the memory and change serial numbers. But I have a tracfone sim card and a mytouch tmob phone. I want the mytouch to be able to use the phone portion but they keep disconnecting me, so I have to match my info to the other phone. I got it to work successfully time and time again, but I keep getting disconnected, and it looks like its by a human cause its not at all in sync with a timer or a pattern, at least I haven't noticed it. I know they can dc phones at will and I was just wondering what information they get when making that decision.
The IMEI is the serial number of the phone. Used for warranty purposes, and verification. [IIRC] The IMSI is the serial number of SIM card. IT is the serial number that T-Mobile would approve to allow your phone to connect to their network. I believe that Tracfone is a CDMA carrier. If that is the case the two different radio technologies are preventing you from using a GSM phone, on a CDMA network. Sort of like trying to get FM to play on a AM only radio.
3.) Has anyone done a tracfone sim on a glacier (t-mobile mytouch 4g) before? I have the sim unlocked, s-off, root, and custom recovery. I have also changed the IMEI number. I know the process of opening it up in a binary program, using the command 'dd' to modify /dev/block/mmcblk0p7 cause thats where its located. Also there is a T-MOB010 carrier id in that file, should I be changing this to tracfone's CID (carrier ID) and if so, does anyone know that?
If you are messing with the IMEI of the phone you are messing with stuff that can get you in a lot of trouble. And is punishable by law. You are not allowed to copy IMEI according to FCC standards.
I know this is a bit advanced, hopefully someone out there will help me out. There is no funny business going on here, I am just trying to use my tracfone sim in my droid, both are my phones, one i bought from someone for cheap.
I get it to work but random times it will get Disconnected seems like a person. Talk and Text only is needed, not mobile network or 3g or 4g.
ALSO, concerning /dev/block/mmcblk0p7 that is where the IMEI is located... does anyone know any other locations of IMSI or IMEI numbers? I find this fascinating and would like to know what mmcblk0p7 stands for, and what part of the radio and firmware this makes up as well of other locations similiar to this.
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I've answered to the best of my ability.

Your questions might be better addressed to the Tracfone subforum on HowardForums.
Tracfone locks the SIM to the phone. If you wanted to use your own phone, why in the world did you go with Tracfone?
If you want to get pay-by-the-minute service on your MT4G, go with T-Mobile prepaid or AT&T GoPhone. There are also other MVNOs of both T-Mo and AT&T that do allow you to bring your own device.
If you plan on using data, your best speeds will be found on T-Mobile or its MVNO Simple Mobile due to hardware radio compatibility.

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I believe that Tracfone is a CDMA carrier. If that is the case the two different radio technologies are preventing you from using a GSM phone, on a CDMA network. Sort of like trying to get FM to play on a AM only radio.
I've answered to the best of my ability.
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Yes, thank you very much. As far as tracfone goes, its both a CDMA and GSM carrier, I do believe if you get a leased number from them you will get either verizon (which will be a cdma phone) or you will get AT&T (which I currently have) one and that will even display AT&T when porting it over.
I don't have a lot of money and the job market is dry so until I save enough up to move then I just research the tech that I can get my hands on, this is a good way to learn, which brings me to my next question to your reply...
HAS ANYONE EVER GOT IN TROUBLE FOR THIS??? I'm not selling or distributing or even trying to access anything i'm not supposed to to benefit or gain by taking away so I'm just curious if there have been any cases where they show up from someone just tinkering... by 'they' i mean the fuzz.
And for the AT&T go phone, their sims are better? could I just pull that out and put it in my glacier?
Thanks guys.

birdisthewordfella said:
And for the AT&T go phone, their sims are better? could I just pull that out and put it in my glacier?
Thanks guys.
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If you go with AT&T GoPhone, the key is to just buy a SIM - not a GoPhone itself. The phones that come with airtime bonuses are locked to the SIM for some number of months. If you buy just a SIM you can use it in any phone. Voice calls are 10¢/min. If you buy $100 in airtime you get a 1-year expiry, but all other denominations are shorter and would lead to a higher annual spend if you stick with them.
If you go with T-Mobile prepaid, get a SIM activation kit (both a SIM and an activation code included). If you buy a full $100 in airtime right off the bat, you get a 10¢/minute rate, 1-year expiry, *and* every top-up you make from that point onwards will have a 1-year expiry (even a $10 top-up). Or you can top up as little as $10 and get a 90-day expiry but a much higher per-minute rate.
It all really depends on your usage pattern - how many minutes and texts would you use? Do you have any interest in getting data?
If you end up switching and you have a balance left to burn in your TracFone account, you can always do so using SMS donation (look up Mobile Giving Foundation for a list of charities).

Yeh, i found what I am going to do, the go phone is .10c a min, or $2 a day for unlimited. That's not bad at all. They even have unlimited for $50 /mo. So I'm definitely doing that. Thanks for the suggestion. Btw, that unlimited is voice text and DATA!

birdisthewordfella said:
Yeh, i found what I am going to do, the go phone is .10c a min, or $2 a day for unlimited. That's not bad at all. They even have unlimited for $50 /mo. So I'm definitely doing that. Thanks for the suggestion. Btw, that unlimited is voice text and DATA!
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t-Mobile?
It's a 2Gb cap then they throttle your speed back to "EDGE" speeds... don't get to happy.

they don't sell gophone cards online, so I'm taking my phone to the at&t store, wish me luck

birdisthewordfella said:
they don't sell gophone cards online, so I'm taking my phone to the at&t store, wish me luck
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you'll only get EDGE speeds all the time then.

AT&T Prepaid Go Phone Sim Cards are available online.
Use the ebay link. You Can also activate it online.

Check out this one
This is much better, 2 bucks.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001ONWGMC