Hi all, this is gonna sound dumb, I imagine, and I just don't feel like calling cingular, but before I got my tytn I didn't know anything about cellular services etc.
I just wanna know if anyone can tell me if I can get two sim cards with the same number on both?, so I can like use my other phone on days that I wanna throw my tytn, without having to pop open covers and remove batteries.
I have been told by Cingular and other provider that this in not an option. You phone number is assoitated with a SIM ID so you can only have 1 SIM ID to a phone number.
What about having two sims, different numbers but with caller redirect to the second number if Hermes phone is not answered. This way callers only ever use one number but you can answer on either phone?
Mike
jcb_home said:
I have been told by Cingular and other provider that this in not an option. You phone number is assoitated with a SIM ID so you can only have 1 SIM ID to a phone number.
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Wrong, one can have one phone number on several SIMs, up to four in Europe. T-Mobile Germany, also present in the US market, i.e. offers 3 SIM cards with the same number as their "Multi SIM" product. You can operate 3 mobile phones, or any combination of phone-capable machines (PDA, PC etc.) at once, and take calls on any of the phones.
The two additional cards cost 9 euro per month in Germany, to give you a figure. Check with your service provider.
this is a service offered by most operators, in spain for example with Orange it's called "duo card" or with Vodafone it's called "twin card". Just ask Cingular about this service, they will probably ask you a monthly fee for the second sim (1-2 dollars more on each bill).
Thanks everyone, I just thought I would ask here before I called a rep and talked to them, incase I needed to mention..or not mention a few things, but after reading here, I called one local cingular store, and they said they didn't offer two sims on one number.
Mike, on that redirecting, I'm guessin I would have to add a line for the second sim? would kinda suck to pay another $10.00 a month just to avoid havin to pull a sim, but I might have to consider it.
Thanks again for the time and info everyone.
ChaoticDruid said:
Thanks everyone, I just thought I would ask here before I called a rep and talked to them, incase I needed to mention..or not mention a few things, but after reading here, I called one local cingular store, and they said they didn't offer that service.
Mike, on that redirecting, I'm guessin I would have to add a line for the second sim? would kinds suck to pay another $10.00 a month just to avoid havin to pull a sim, but I might have to consider it.
Thanks again for the time and info everyone.
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Well it might depend how often you would use it and what for. If jit's just for ocassional use without any frills what about pay as you go?
I think it would be cool if they offer this stateside. I would leave one, on a charger, in the car.
This way, the car has it's own phone. completes the whole integration thing.
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A little off topic, I know, but has anybody been able to use something like this --> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9104458427&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:UK:1&rd=1 to make a copy of their Exec's O2 sim for us in another phone for situations where the exec isn't appropriate?
It would be handy to have a second phone for use when I don't want to take the Exec without having to keep swapping the sim.
Cheers,
Steve.
these wont work for the exec, because you will receive a 3g card from o2. this package looks like it will only take standard gsm sims ie 2 and 2.5g. also, i think the new sims in general are not "crackable" at this point.
Doesn't O2 offer this as a LEGAL service?
The SIM in your phone is probably legally defined as O2 property, and they've probably not agreed to copying of their product.
If you read all of the fine print, you'll probably see some stuff about this.
But, yes: It's nice..
2 sims - one number
They're working on it.
The ebay item doesn't claim to be able to actually clone a SIM card though, just backup up or consolidate if you have multiple SIMs.
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They're working on it.
The ebay item doesn't claim to be able to actually clone a SIM card though, just backup up or consolidate if you have multiple SIMs.
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No, but if you can select between 16 numbers to use, then surely, it's like copying 16 sims into 1? Even if I were to only copy 1 sim, if it could act as if it were that sim in another phone, then that would do the job.
Cheers,
Steve.
There is a slight problem in all of this. You cannot have to sims logged on using the same MISDN . So all that would happen is the operator would be alerted to the fact that 2 sims were trying to usre the same MISDN and you would be put into the fraud management system and the phone might be disconnected.
When people scan and clone phones they do not use the phone on standby for long periods of time they simply make a few calls and switch off. Unless they time it when the real user is logged on and tries to make a call it is unlikely to be picked up.
Also it will vconfuse the HLR in the gsm network .
So all in all onot a good idea.
Charlie
Hm? Back home in the Netherlands we used to be able to get two SIMs with the same number from our providers... The idea was, you had one in your built-in car phone, and one in your portable handset; when you got out of the car, switch that phone off, and the other one on, and it'll register the other SIM, and hey presto! You could not use both SIMs at the same time, ofcourse.
I bought one, THEN read up on the facts (doh!)
There is no de-cryption algorithm for any SIM cards supplied in the UK over the last 2-4 years. True, the old SIMs could be copied, but the v.2 system cannot.
Still, it is a nice piece of kit for reading your SIM contacts over USB, and didn't cost a fortune.
I'm actually quite pleased that SIMs are this secure, 'cos I wouldn't want them easily copyable by the bad guys.
I bought one, THEN read up on the facts (doh!)
There is no de-cryption algorithm for any SIM cards supplied in the UK over the last 2-4 years. True, the old SIMs could be copied, but the v.2 system cannot.
Still, it is a nice piece of kit for reading your SIM contacts over USB, and didn't cost a fortune.
I'm actually quite pleased that SIMs are this secure, 'cos I wouldn't want them easily copyable by the bad guys.
In the Nehterlands I know that KPN and t-Mobile offer dual sims, the problem is as mentioned here already that you can not use them both at the same time. Also if you have 3G sim the second sim you get is not 3G. those are the rules by KPN.
I used to live in Israel and there Orange gives out dua sims where you can keep both phones on. On the incoming call both phones ring at the same time and you can decide which to pick up. The SMS trafic thought goes to the phone which was turned on first. The way they are doing this is by giving both sims an extra GHOST number which used to start with a Zero. then what they did was simply forward the calls between two sims. They had a huge blunder though: Forwarding officially costs money but in this case it has to be free, so they by mistake on their first couple of bill specifications posted the forwarding calls with Zero as charge, thus I was able to know what are the ghost numbers and call between the phones completely for free. It did mean that the you could call the the ghost numbers only from those 2 phones and not any other phone, kind of internal cirquit. So we enjoyed it very much since my wife and me just used those two phones and comunications between these two was free of charge.
So as you see technicaly it is possible to make both phones ring at the same time....
Hi
I love my XDA Exec to bits, but find it a bit of a pain to take out and about at evenings and weekends. I have a Jabra bluetooth headset, which works a treat, but still means finding a bag or massive pocket to store the brick in.
What I’d love to be able to do is use another, much smaller, ‘normal’ handset, using the same number, but without having to faff about changing the SIM from one to the other. I believe that some providers offer a second SIM, but I don’t think that O2 do. I’ve heard about SIM cloning, but I suspect that’s a rocky road to go down, legally.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Cheers
contact your carrier's service center and order a second sim for the same number, it should be as simple as that.
I wish it was as simple. Unfortunately, O2 won't allow me to have two SIM cards with the same number.
Vodafone has this...
What you are looking is called on Vodafone network Multicard, here in Spain Multitarjeta. I am using this with my JJ, primary card, (GSM works with data GPRS,3G and SMS) and secondary card is in my Nokia 6600 (can’t do data nor SMS). This option gives me the freedom to pickup a call on any of these two and they are on at the same time.
There is another solution, called Vodafone Nexus which is similar thing, you can have GSM+DATA+SMS on both terminals but not at the same time, one of them needs to be off.
As far as I know, only Vodafone is giving these options and it costs me 3€ per month…
so..my buddies phone keeps 'searching' for signal.. im thinking they have disabled the imei #.. it was working the other day with with his cingular sim in it but now its constantly searching and when he goes into the network tab to select manual it says 'cant read settings from network'
Theoretically, yes. When you report a phone as stolen, the carrier will usually block the SIM card and mark the IMEI number as stolen*. I've never heard of a carrier just randomly blocking a IMEI number though. And as far as I know there's no way for them to know that the phone had another carrier's SIM card in it.
* Of course, in the case of Cingular, they do absolutely nothing with that information. When my phone was stolen (later returned, thankfully) I was on the phone with them for a long time. The only thing that would happen with a blacklisted IMEI is, IF the person took it to a store, and the associate saw it was stolen and took the initiative to take it from them and call the police.
well hes changed the rom to different verisons and also different radio verisons trying to fix and nothing is picking up signal.. so u have any ideas what could be going on?
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well hes changed the rom to different verisons and also different radio verisons trying to fix and nothing is picking up signal.. so u have any ideas what could be going on?
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Try a new sim card. I had my Tmobile sim card take a dump on me and that is exactly what my SDA did, kept searching for a signal. So my advice is try another sim card and if the phone picks up signal then tell him to go to his carrier and get a new one. They should do it for free.
we tried multi carrier sim cards.. tmobile cingular and cellular one.. stuck on searching.
I dont know how it is donw over in the US, but in the UK i believe that the Imei can be blockd so the phone will not work correctly. So the phone is dead to the world!!!
thats how its looking. and i cant get the imei change tool from the site to work!
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I dont know how it is donw over in the US, but in the UK i believe that the Imei can be blockd so the phone will not work correctly. So the phone is dead to the world!!!
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Yeah i beleve Europe and the UK will block an IMEI reported stolen. The US carriers dont care. They would rather sell you another phone, even if its a free phone, and rope you into another contract. Think about it, blocking stolen IMEIs requires effort that does not pay the company back. Giving away a free phone requires effort that makes them money because you are stuck in another contract, and they can collect the termination fee if you decide to dump said contract.
Thats why in the UK most of us pay abit more each month so if the phone is taken or lost we get a new on on the same contract and the company gets no more money as no new contact!!!!!
And now you are saying to your self in the USA why did we not stay with the Brits!!! We would be better off!!!
Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the wave
God save our people and that DUMB Queen as well!
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Is it possible to clone a sim card and then have say an mda running with one installed and a going out phone with the other.
i'm guessing its possible but am after a step by step if anyones feeling helpful.
I wouldn't want to have both phones turned on at once if that makes it an easier process. Just getting hacked off at swapping sim all the time.
You cant clone a Sim like Hollywood Movies ... not normal Guys like you and me!
Talk with your Provider!
Same have a Service with Master Slave Cards. In Austria you can have 1 numbers and a lot of device they ring at the same time or in priority.
Cheers netrunner. Yep i probably have watched to many films. I tried to call my provider (tmob uk) but i'd have more luck getting into Angelina Jolie's knickers than speaking to someone there with an ounce of savvy.
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Cheers netrunner. Yep i probably have watched to many films. I tried to call my provider (tmob uk) but i'd have more luck getting into Angelina Jolie's knickers than speaking to someone there with an ounce of savvy.
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Is it possible to clone the sim...yes...but illegal. You buy one of those 6 in 1 or 12 in 1 sim's plus reader for about $10 on ebay. (oh...only Tmobile still uses the Version 1 sim's that these can clone..everyone else has upgraded to version 2 which is uncrackable currently)
Is it possible to clone the phone..yes..but illegal....the hacking and development board has a thread on a free IMEI changer...you would have to run that and make sure both phones had the same IMEI.
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Even if you did ALL those things there is no way you could have both on at the same time....every 20 minutes the phone reconnects with the tower...the tower is only going to allow 1 connection at a time so your connection is constantly going to switch from one to the other...and they will notice this and bad things will happen to your account and men in suits may show up at your door. The best you could manage is to turn one or the other on at a time which basically defeats the purpose.
Now go to your provider and pay them the extra for a 2nd line and use conditional call forwarding (forward to phone 2 when phone 1 doesn't answer..used to forward to voicemail normally) to accomplish the same thing.
Good thinking
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Is it possible to clone the sim...yes...but illegal. You buy one of those 6 in 1 or 12 in 1 sim's plus reader for about $10 on ebay. (oh...only Tmobile still uses the Version 1 sim's that these can clone..everyone else has upgraded to version 2 which is uncrackable currently)
Is it possible to clone the phone..yes..but illegal....the hacking and development board has a thread on a free IMEI changer...you would have to run that and make sure both phones had the same IMEI.
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Even if you did ALL those things there is no way you could have both on at the same time....every 20 minutes the phone reconnects with the tower...the tower is only going to allow 1 connection at a time so your connection is constantly going to switch from one to the other...and they will notice this and bad things will happen to your account and men in suits may show up at your door. The best you could manage is to turn one or the other on at a time which basically defeats the purpose.
Now go to your provider and pay them the extra for a 2nd line and use conditional call forwarding (forward to phone 2 when phone 1 doesn't answer..used to forward to voicemail normally) to accomplish the same thing.
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Right with that clever piece of logic i'll try it with a pay as you go sim and forward from the contract one and that should do what i want. (just hope the forwarding charge comes off my free mins)
Called Tmobile uk who have told me that the call forwarding to the pay as you go sim wont cost any more and will come out of my contracted minutes.
This is my first phone in America so don't really understand the system but:
I just received my DVP (on pre paid.) I put the sim card it came with in, phoned up t-mobile to try and activate it and they asked for the activation code on my welcome pack (which I didn't receive? should I of done?) and they were saying that I would need to buy a new sim card (which she quoted $30) to get it to work as my current sim is useless.
So I try dell and they won't respond to me so I'm a bit lost now.
How do I activate this thing?
Do I just need to push dell to send me a new welcome pack or do I not need it and can I activate through another way.
Thanks
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This is my first phone in America so don't really understand the system but:
I just received my DVP (on pre paid.) I put the sim card it came with in, phoned up t-mobile to try and activate it and they asked for the activation code on my welcome pack (which I didn't receive? should I of done?) and they were saying that I would need to buy a new sim card (which she quoted $30) to get it to work as my current sim is useless.
So I try dell and they won't respond to me so I'm a bit lost now.
How do I activate this thing?
Do I just need to push dell to send me a new welcome pack or do I not need it and can I activate through another way.
Thanks
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I took mine into a physical T-mobile store, and they activated the SIM for $10.
O ok thanks, will try that then.
Just seems strange you're given a simcard which you can't use without paying more. You would of though the companies would want as many people on thei network as they can get.
The best thing for you to do is stop by a Tmo store. But if you are using pay as you go, you might need to buy a sim. FYI, my DVP worked fine with my old sim.
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The best thing for you to do is stop by a Tmo store. But if you are using pay as you go, you might need to buy a sim. FYI, my DVP worked fine with my old sim.
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I was able to get them to activate the SIM that came in the box, on a pay-as-you-go plan. The in-store rep just has to call into headquarters, charge you $10 for activation, and ask you what plan you want.
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I was able to get them to activate the SIM that came in the box, on a pay-as-you-go plan. The in-store rep just has to call into headquarters, charge you $10 for activation, and ask you what plan you want.
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all I did was put in the new SIM and make a call. I was immediately redirected to tmo. I was asked new or existing number. I said existing...gave them the number off of the sim. We disconnected, and in 5 minutes everything was running.
Thanks guys.
In the end I just bought an activation kit off ebay for like $3 and it worked a treat.
I had assumed the simcard would come with everything required to activate it and mine was missing.