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Hi guys. I post quite a bit in the Blue Angel section of this forum.
My BA is probably the worst device I have ever used in terms of both software and hardware issues. I'm surprised they're allowed to sell it.
My question is, Are there any common problems with the iMate Jam?
Like anything alot of these devices suffer from? 76% of BAs have the 'no sound in call' problem, and alot seem to have the whictling screen/serious bluetooth issues. Anything like this on the Magician I should know about before buying?
Cheers -Mike
Hi, ive had my Jam since middle of jan 2005, and my GF got one soon after so i have had two to play around with, and ive been reading forums fairly extensively since then. I have used roms 1.03, 1.06, 1.11 and i am now runnin 1.12 without any major problems. i have seen a few people complain of various sound issues, which I believe are either a hardware fault (such as a loose mic), or are resolved with Roms 1.11 or 1.12, or even just a hard reset (i have experienced low volume from loud speaker which was solved by a hard reset). Alot of people complain of the not reconnecting gprs issue which i have also experienced on roms 1.11 and 1.12 (it was one of the deciding factors for me upgrading to 1.12) it seems to happen where it tries to send two connections at once and times it self out, I find it to be intermittent, and resolved with a soft reset. Bluetooth has been more troublesome I must say and I only use it for handsfree, so I cant comment on AS connections. I use Buzz_Lightyears SwitchIT software (Buzz you RULE) to turn my BT on/off from my today screen. ROM 1.06 had major issues with BT and required a patch, which helped somewhat with the issue. roms 1.11 and 1.12 very occasionly have issues with BT which again are usually sorted with a soft reset, and once working will stay working untill a soft reset causes them to not work, and a another soft reset is required. BT has issues with being out of sync with the GSM radio i find eg. if BT is on while the radio is off and i soft reset i usually get an issue with BT. Photo Caller ID is intermittent i find, which is possibly because of having the photos in storage space, I'm not really sure and to be honest is not a huge problem anyway.
So yeah there is common problems across the Jam/magician range. however I love my Jam and wouldn't swap it for any other device on the market because for a convergence device which runs an MS operating system (blue screen of death!!! MS are far from perfect) I find 98% of the time its stable and does more then I need. is it perfect??...no, should it be?? we all wish...
Cheers dude! I think I will get one. So long as we're not into Blue Angel territory of 5 soft resets required a day, no sound during calls, random hard resets and bluetooth when it feels like it.
OOH, whats the battery life like?
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OOH, whats the battery life like?
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well Imate manual reckons talk-time of 3-5 hours, 190 hours standby, and once it switchs off with flat battery warning you got 72 hours before it hard resets . anyway heavy use will see you charging it at the end of the day (I usually just sync when i get home). with a few short calls over a weekend it will usually last the weekend. And as your probably aware li-ion batteries like to be charged.
Speedn
As expected I suppose. I don't understand why HTC devices have such turd battery life compared to sony ericsson devices and such.
Does anyone know if it takes Blue Angel handsfree or Himilaya handsfree?
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As expected I suppose. I don't understand why HTC devices have such turd battery life compared to sony ericsson devices and such.
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It's like comparing an Toyota Prius to a Porsche (the Ericsson being the Prius). They both do the job with style, and they are both fine technical achievements. But one of them will drain your gas account a little bit faster than the other.
Hi, ive had my Jam since middle of jan 2005, and my GF got one soon after so i have had two to play around with, and ive been reading forums fairly extensively.......................................................I find 98% of the time its stable and does more then I need. is it perfect??...no, should it be?? we all wish...
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Totally agree...
to mike
If u know how to tweak ur magician and deal with it..it will turn into a killer device...
even with the bad quality of the camera, U can manage to take great photos... and with some phtotoshop editing they will be really awesome..
battery life us very good...especially when listening to MP3s ( basically, it consumes 10% of the battery for every hour with the screen off, and using high quality headset)
I use my JAM mainly as MP3 player and a medical reference
BT is good for sending files only as well as hands-free, other profiles are not available...
memory isn't that small, with the proper tweaking, u can get up to 32 MB of free RAM after a soft reset....of course compared to ur Blue Angel, this is very low, but I believe it is more than enough for me -as a JAM user -
if u need to know any thing else, please ask
cheers :wink:
I'm very happy with my O2 Xda II mini. It does everything I need it to do. I have not had any sound problems at all. The only issue I had after a ROM upgrade was the GPRS cannot connect problem, which has now been resolved by downgrading just the CallerID program.
Aside from that, I feel it is a killer device.
Cheers for all the help guys!! I really appreciate it. Think I'll give the magician a go
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For the list of probs, I get two number for incoming calls: the caller and a private number?!? But this is just a very little prob.
In a thread I've described that my magician simply won't start when is cold. COULD SOMEONE TRY THIS MESS IS SERIOUS!!!
And for the prob of the GPRS: ok, but I don't have CallerID and DON'T want to install it. MUST I install I to eliminate this prob?
I love my magician. Is my wonder machine...
If you do not stop the extrom from installing after a hardreset, CallerId will be automatically installed on your device. For some reason HTC have chosen to name the link in the start menu "Photo Contacts" instead of CallerId.
If you want a more Blue Angel like device (with regards to size and features of the Blue Angel) I would recommend the Alpine. I'm personally not using it because I prefer the smaller size of the Magician but the Alpine is full featured and from what I read from some other users in germany, almost bug free. Especially bluetooth is said to work great, better than (and with more profiles due to the Widcomm stack) the Microsoft Stack of the Magician. It also features the 1,3 MPix camera, a good display, WLan and a faster processor (500 MHz). If you prefer the bigger devices and don't need the keyboard, I think the Alpine rocks.
I've had the Orange SPV M500 variant for about a week now and it's been absolutely flawless.
No no, I decided to skip the installation of CallerID (in the italian devices is called Identità Visitatore -huh?-) but I'm not sure if it's needed to resolve the GPRS prob -downgrading-
Oh, I've got another prob: u MUST know a good program like MortRing to set the ringtone OR windows keep resetting to the standard one.
There are plenty of little probs: to set up the jam correctly, there is the need of a decent regedit and personal experience...
I know the great majority of you chaps think it's wonderful, so please don't take this as a trolling, it's just my opinion.
I've had the orange m500 for 5 days now, and I've had enough. As a windows pda it's fine. Quick, small, nice screen, decent battery life.
As a phone it is awful. The whole interface seems like such an afterthought. You would imagine that it would be easy enough to do basic phone things without having to take the stylus out, but you can't. For example, if you go into the contact book, then click on a contact but get the wrong one, there is no way to go back up a level using hardkeys. You have to click the X in the top corner, which is fiddly to say the least.
That's just one small problem I've had out of quite a few, but it's become quickly obvious to me that a quick and easy-to-use phone is more important to me than an all-singing windows pda, so I have arranged to return it. If your priorities are similar to mine, I would urge you to look elsewhere.
you should try "mamaich's contacts", adds a contact button right to the phone dial pad, and lets you use HW joypad to scroll through your contacts and pages...Its like the missing link I swear. true one handed dialing.
it's found on this board, and is free.
Speedn
Hi everyone,
I received my new XDA Exec last Friday and today (Tuesday) I just returned it!
I'm not here to try to influence anybody, but if you haven't bought one yet, you might find this useful.
Then it's up to you.....
I owned 6 PDAs until now, from an old IPAQ with B&W screen to this great XDA Exec piece of kit.
This to me is simply a fantastic piece of hardware, but unfortunately it is severely let down by the software running on it and comiing with it.
Here is what I found in the last 4 days before I lost my patience:
PROS:
1) FAntastic screen, great resolution, brightness and clarity
2) Very good keyboard. It might be too small for touch-typing, but it's great if you don't have to write a book with your Exec. Most of the functions on the screen are replicated on buttons on the keyboard, so you can use the Exec without a stylo pretty easily.
3) USB charging. Nice after the previous XDAs to have one with a "normal" adaptor.
4) Nice new processor. I know many people on this forum had problem with the speed of their JasJar, but I found my Exec very speedy. I personally noticed an improvement from my XDA II.
I'm sure I could have other nice things to say about it, but here are the CONS:
1) It says everywhere about its 285gr weight, but I don't know if you really realize what you're getting yourself into. If you're used to bring your XDA into your bag or your backpack, then no problems. If you always found a place in your pocket for your XDA, then you better tighten your belt because this baby is a real brick!
2) The hardware is probably the best piece of kit I came across, but the software is the worst ensemble of problems I've ever dealt with.
Activesync 4.0 is a bag of .... Both my tomtom 5 software and a flight planning navigation softare that were working to perfection on my XDA II, are not working on the new EXEC.
I know somebody has been able to install the tomtom by transfering the .CAB files directly to the Exec, but I'm one of those "unlucky" (or too stupid) ones that couldn't install one of the 4 .CAB files and therefore....no tomtom 5 for me anymore.
The other piece of software is a VB written software, I installed the VBruntime and I was able to transfer the .CAB files individually. I managed to install the software, but it then started to play havoc with the Exec (the keyboard light would not come on anymore and even after few soft-reset and unistalling the application, I could only bring the system back to normal throught a hard-reset).
3) I also had the soft buttons disappear on me, and had to reset the machine before they reappeared. By the way, please note that the soft reset on my XDA Exec, takes approx 1 min to take place and restart the system. It's a lot longer than on my XDA II and if you think of how many times you'll need to restart it in its life (thanks Microsoft for its well known stabiltiy).
4) WM Player has problem with its full screen funcition. Even if you select the box, it won't play in full screen. If you like me, have plenty of movies converted in a 320x240 format and you'd like to use them in the new Exec, then forget the WMP because they'll only play in 320x240. WMP will not "stretch" them and they'll only look as big as a stamp.
You can easily download a free software (Core Pocket Media Player) which is a great piece of kit, but this brings me to my next point,
5) Storage memory in the new Exec is not "plentyful". The system should come with 128Mb, but around 80Mb are already taken by the pre-installed software. When you first start the machine, if you look and the memory settings, you'll only have around 40Mb available, 20 for Storage and 20 for programs.....and you cannot bias the size from one side to the other. In this new software, it's done automatically.
You can probably download software to correct or improve the one that the system is shipped with, but you'll soon find out that you'll run out of memory.
I installed on my new XDA:
The PDF viewer,
The VBruntime,
Microsoft Autoroute,
Core Pocket Media player,
and all I was left were 6 miserable Mb to play with.
I know somebody said that the system is designed for you to install the programs on SD cards, but I found this whole thing a bit ridicolous.
BTW, Microsoft Reader is NOT included in the system, so if you, like me, like to read books on the go, you'll have to download it separately and utilize even more memory
I'm sure I could go on for another few pages but I'll better stop.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind, but I'm trying to make a simple point.
If you're an expert in PC and PDAs and if you're ready to "play" with your exec for hours on end to reach a "usable" machine, then enjoy it. It's really a great piece of hardware, with almost endless potential.
If you are an XDA (or probably any other PDA) user and you think that you can get the new Exec and transfer all of your programs on it and have it working in a heartbeat......think again.
I'm no pro, but I'm not a complete rockie.
I don't want to spend my next 3 months downloading ROM upgrades and hard-resetting this beast, just to get out of it what I already get out of my old XDA II.
My final thought is that if you haven't bought one yet, you might want to wait a litte bit more, until microsoft or somebody else, sorts out some of these problems.
I Hope somebody might find this useful.
ps My apologies for the grammar.....
Wow...
I am really confused on what to do...
I'm just confused!
trendystyle, don't you already have a JasJar!?
And mig31, returning "a fantastic piece of hardware" because it's not running some old (and therefore not fully compatible) software properly seems a bit hasty, doesn't it?
I love my Exec. I have no issues with memory, except it is misleading how they publish.
And software does need to be updated to WM5, so patience. The rom works well.
Its a PDA with a phone and thats the best way to look at it.
Well i recieved my exec this morning. First impressions are that its not that big. If your used to and xda then there isnt a great deal of difference. Its quite heavy but not massivly so.
The screen is fantastic, as is the keyboard. So far i am loving it!
The box that it comes in is wroth the money alone!
I'm returning mine too.
This was my first PPC after years with Palm and the Pam interface just seems to come across as cleaner and friendlier.
I've had AS 4.0 hose the wireless connection on my laptop and no one seems to be able to help.
Another thing that bothers me is the need to pay for 3rd party programs to do just about anything to make it more usable.
Even something as simple viewing the list of programs as a list instead of as large icons need a 3rd party program.
Want to close a program instead of just puting it in the background, get a 3rd party program to make the close button work like a close button.
Don't even get me started about Pocket IE.
I've had to hard reset it once and soft reset the device 4 times in 2 days, this was before loading anything new on it. Just while using it as normal right out of the box.
Finally, it's really slow.
I did not mind the size as I knew what I was getting into. I wanted the larger screen and keyboard. It actually felt just fine as a phone in my hand.
The phone seems to be designed with PPC afficionados in mind. For a regular user who does not have the time or inclination to play around with ROM upgrades, tweaks, 3rd party programs, etc. this doesn't seem to work. If you want to spend hours playing with it, this just might be for you.
I'm going back to my Treo 650 for now.
Hi,
i can´t really understand some of your cons.
> 2) The hardware is probably the best piece of kit I came across, but the
> software is the worst ensemble of problems I've ever dealt with.
> ActiveSync 4.0 is a bag of ....
Active Sync works perfectly for me, no problems at all.
> Both my tomtom 5 software and a flight planning navigation softare that
> were working to perfection on my XDA II, are not working on the new
> EXEC.
Both programs aren´t designed for use use with WM2k5, so what do you expect ? Instead of blaming the device, go and ask tomtom for an update.
> 3) [...] By the way, please note that the soft reset on my XDA Exec,
> takes approx 1 min to take place and restart the system.
Ok, it´s 35 seconds for me, sure, that´s not really fast, but i needed exactly one softreset in the last two weeks .. so i can live with that.
(i don´t count resets after installing ne software)
> 4) WM Player has problem with its full screen funcition. Even if you
> select the box, it won't play in full screen.
Yes, you are right ... the WM-Player is really bad, but just download the free betaplayer .. works very fine and this problem is solved - 2 minutes of work.
> 5) Storage memory in the new Exec is not "plentyful". [...]
> I installed on my new XDA:
> The PDF viewer, The VBruntime, Microsoft Autoroute, Core Pocket
> Media player, and all I was left were 6 miserable Mb to play with.
First of all, the pdf viewer is already installed in WM2k5, so no need to reinstall it (at least it was on my machine).
I have the following programs installed on my mda pro:
- Total Commander
- Chess
- Betaplayer
- Registry Editor
- i-Mate backgammon
- weather plugin
- grps monitor (from the t-mobile cd)
and i have 32 Megs storage mem free and 29 megs program mem free.
But .. hey, if you install a routing software like autoroute and don´t install it on the sd card .. your fault.
Sure, your conclusion is not so bad .. the mda pro is no device for bloody novices, but .. a minumum of knowledge and understanding is enough to use and configure it.
- Superbowl
Read your comments, its a shame.
I am a power user, and I have used the Treo. The only advantage the Treo has is its simplicity and size.
WM5 and the Exec are a complex beast. It can perform loads of tasks. There is no need to always close apps. I dont use any task manager as I do not see the need.
Standard MS apps can be closed with ctrl q on the SIP keyboard.
The device is new. You havent given it anytime to really understand it. It takes at least a week - a month to learn about it.
All of these 'issues' could have been identified before purchasing the Universal with just a tiny bit of research!
Again, it sounds like people are rushing out to spend their money on the latest greates device without the slightest idea of what they're getting themselves into. (I got a proper mauling for suggesting this a week or so ago in another thread, but I still firmly believe this to be the case)
I'd suggest a lot of people around here would be more comfortable with the far less threatening new P990. Looks like a decent 3G smartphone, and would be easier for a newbie. Perhaps get to grips with something like that before moving on to an XDA device when you've outgrown Symbian? (That route worked for me, anyway!)
If only I'm staying in UK.I don't mind buying a set from u guys . :wink:
Many thanks to mig31 for a useful guide to others thinking of buying this device. I do think though that as most of the Cons highlighted have been discussed at length in previous threads, maybe you should have held off a little longer before buying one.
As a first time poster, mig31 may have an excuse as indeed would any unfortunates who have walked into their local 02 shop and bought one on the recommendations of the sales teams. But surely, all regular readers of xda-developers forum should be well aware of the pros and cons of the device. I am also fairly sure that like me, most will be subscribed to many other sites as well.
I would therefore have to agree with sub69, (incidentally, I also agreed with your comments on the earlier thread but refrained from joining for fear of receiving similar irrational abuse). :roll:
Thinking of getting an Exec...
Greetings to all!
I'm new here, just recently registered. I've been doing some background research on the Exec and it seems reasonable. However, I am finding more mixed reviews about it.
I'm currently on the II and I am thoroughly enjoying it! Prior to switching to the II, I entrusted my mobile needs to my good 'ol 6210 and Vx which I do not miss at the very least. Those two served me well.
I am thinking of getting an Exec, do you guys/ gals think it would be a worthwhile investment? I use my II almost exclusively for work and I plan to do the same with the Exec if ever. I hardly get to use the camera and MP3 on my II, but I adore it for having access Word and Excel. The Exec currently isn't available in Manila, hence my search outside. Being behind the curve (in Manila) would guys/ gals know of any hitches that I might encounter by trying to operate my unit here in Manila (phone function)? Are there language settings to choose from on the Exec?
Lastly, by any of you might know of a user/reseller planning to dispose of their Execs?
Cheers!
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WM5 and the Exec are a complex beast. It can perform loads of tasks.
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The device is new. You havent given it anytime to really understand it. It takes at least a week - a month to learn about it.
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I agree with you. That's why I'm going to try it out for close to the full 14 day trial period. Then, if it's still not for me, it goes back.
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I'm just confused!
trendystyle, don't you already have a JasJar!?
And mig31, returning "a fantastic piece of hardware" because it's not running some old (and therefore not fully compatible) software properly seems a bit hasty, doesn't it?
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Obviuosly I have it!
I am confused, cause I don't know what to do, and time is running out(1 month for refund...), should i keep it, hoping for a new update, or sending it back, and waiting for real and mature super device?^??
I've had AS 4.0 hose the wireless connection on my laptop and no one seems to be able to help.
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Hmm while you don't specifically state the problem here I think I may have one possible solution...if my hunch is correct.
When you connect a WM5.0 device using ActiveSync 4 Windows creates a Network Port for it.
Now Windows uses a series of Metrics for all networked devices, whichever device has the lowest metric becomes the default. It is possible that Windows is assigning a lower metric to your XDA's network device then your Wireless network, hence it picks that as your default device screwing up your wireless connection.
For more detailed information on metrics see this article
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0405.mspx
You can however over-ride the default behavior.
Go to Start>Control Panel>Network Connections
Right click your wireless network connection and choose properties. Select Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) from the list and then click the Properties button
From the properties window click the Advanced button
In the advanced settings window at the bottom there is a tickbox which says Automatic Metric. Untick this and assign it a number, say 20
Click ok and close all the windows till you get back to the Network Connections Window. Do the same for the network connection assigned to your XDA but assign it a HIGHER number then you did for the wireless connection.
Your wireless connection should now be the default!
If it doesn't work then you can just simply put things back as they were and everything will be ok
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Obviuosly I have it!
I am confused, cause I don't know what to do, and time is running out(1 month for refund...), should i keep it, hoping for a new update, or sending it back, and waiting for real and mature super device?^??
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Ohhhhhhhh, I see!
Well, if you return it for a refund you can always pick up a subsidised Exec or Pro later on for much less money, or you could stick with the JasJar and update as you go along.
Either way, you'll be waiting for a more mature device, just a matter of whether you want a less mature device while you wait, or no device at all?
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I've had AS 4.0 hose the wireless connection on my laptop and no one seems to be able to help.
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Hmm while you don't specifically state the problem here I think I may have one possible solution...if my hunch is correct.
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If it doesn't work then you can just simply put things back as they were and everything will be ok
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Thanks for the input.
Here's a more detailed description of the problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=168289#168289
See my followup post in that thread for more info as well.
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trendystyle said:
Obviuosly I have it!
I am confused, cause I don't know what to do, and time is running out(1 month for refund...), should i keep it, hoping for a new update, or sending it back, and waiting for real and mature super device?^??
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Ohhhhhhhh, I see!
Well, if you return it for a refund you can always pick up a subsidised Exec or Pro later on for much less money, or you could stick with the JasJar and update as you go along.
Either way, you'll be waiting for a more mature device, just a matter of whether you want a less mature device while you wait, or no device at all?
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Well, as you might know, as you purchase a new device, there are always bacos, problem, or maybe bad firmware:
I prefer maybe to see, if in the next 4/6 month they will come out, with an improved Jasjar(at SW or HW level), maybe at a fair price, not at thieves price, that will allow me to do all the things I was doing normally with much cheaper and obsolete devices (like installing 3rd party applications, games, etc.), without rebooting every 20 minutes
I understand the post on the Treo 650, is by far much better delivering its mission, it goes smooth, never reboot, and cost the half!
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Well, as you might know, as you purchase a new device, there are always bacos, problem, or maybe bad firmware:
I prefer maybe to see, if in the next 4/6 month they will come out, with an improved Jasjar(at SW or HW level), maybe at a fair price, not at thieves price, that will allow me to do all the things I was doing normally with much cheaper and obsolete devices (like installing 3rd party applications, games, etc.), without rebooting every 20 minutes
I understand the post on the Treo 650, is by far much better delivering its mission, it goes smooth, never reboot, and cost the half!
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I can see where this is going, so lets just agree to disagree now, shall we? :wink:
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trendystyle said:
Well, as you might know, as you purchase a new device, there are always bacos, problem, or maybe bad firmware:
I prefer maybe to see, if in the next 4/6 month they will come out, with an improved Jasjar(at SW or HW level), maybe at a fair price, not at thieves price, that will allow me to do all the things I was doing normally with much cheaper and obsolete devices (like installing 3rd party applications, games, etc.), without rebooting every 20 minutes
I understand the post on the Treo 650, is by far much better delivering its mission, it goes smooth, never reboot, and cost the half!
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I can see where this is going, so lets just agree to disagree now, shall we? :wink:
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Right!
It's a way of fact: TREO 650, at the moment works much better than the Jasjar: let's hope for the future!
1) Or I-mate solve a lot of problem
2) I will buy the new Treo 700, on Windows mobile 5.0
it cost me €650
its buggy, hangs sometimes, I keep having to reset
keyboards sometimes dont popup
wifi is very weak (they used a cheap Texas Instrument chip for wifi that under lab tests runs at about 2/3 the performance of the Marvel chip in the iPhone). Again I remind you that I paid €650 for this thing.
ive owned the phone 6 days and already had to do 4 hard resets
cheap crappy speaker
camera lag 3 seconds to take photo
have to use virtal button to take photo
gps lags
cant assign / customise soft buttons (without installing third party cabs)
to do any customization on the dam thing, you have to install 3rd party cabs, ends up with a phone cluttered with all sorts of stuff most of which was not originally written for the HD. Phone gets unstable and starts hanging even more than usual.
touch screen is often unresponsive, the majority of dialogs put the ok button in the top right hand corner where it is least responsive. I often have to tap the buton 5-6 times to get it to respond
have to install everything on storage card as there is very limited storage built in
TouchFlo 3d has lots of bugs (have a read of the forum)
have to use headphones to get radio to work (be nice not to have to, id like to be able to demo the radio and use it in high strength signal areas w/o having to carry headphones around).
radio is noisy with poor reception
cant record radio
browser stops working at the drop of a hat. i.e. you manage to get a wifi connection, you use the web, leave phone for a minute, come back, hit power button, wifi wakes up, browser more often then not will no longer work (cannot find proxy server, no network, dns not available). I have to resolve with another soft reset
browser is a pain to use, it does not zoom intelligently, the amount of time I spend trying to line up after a zoom, then hitting links by mistake or trying to hit links and wondering wtf they do nothing.
the wifi on my unit is poor. i have written to htc and expansys and as of yet (a day and a half later) i have had no reply from either. sickening and worrying!
im in the middle of another hard reset right now after the phone screwed up yet again
doesnt lock properly (when a call comes in)
you have to install .Net 3.5. For god sakes its late 2008, could they not have shipped the rom with it already on there. not only that but you really need to install it onto device storage rather than card storage for performance so it takes up valuable space (of which there is not much to begin with)
battery lasts a day at best with light use. if you use wifi and browse for an hour on the train you can reduce that to 3 or 4 hours. pretty lousy
lousy (and I mean LOUSY) video playback. You need a degree in computing to go and encode videos in specific ways to get them to play reasonably. Even the demo video that comes with the phone plays poorly.
hard to scroll through lists on screen without invoking the items on the list. i.e. scrolling the programs list I always end up running unwanted programs
when you send a text message, the phone does nothing, no "sending message" status, no confirmation that message sent. You have to fix with a tweak. again to fix, you have to install schaps config tool that clearly is not written for the HD. Its brilliant and I am not having a go at all but its anothe rlarge cab u have to install just to do the most basic things. jesus a "sending text" status is the most basic requiremt surely to god!!!
very hard to figure out how to disable 3g (cud be real expensive unless u have ur wits about u)
gps is very slow initially and weaker than on normal gps devices. I have had it unable to detect gps signals when my mate beside was using another device and getting signal - just like the wifi.
not possible to edit/customize TouchFlo 3D. You can't put an shortcut to a program on its home page for eg. You have to scroll along the awkward scroll bar to get to programs.
TF3D completely takes over the Today screen so customizing the Today screen is absolutely pointless unless you remove TF3D from it.
screen protector is crap and difficult to install.
finally for now . . .
it cost me €650
I know a lot of you are gonna hate me after this post. I dont blame you. I am dissing your beloved new toy, the toy that you paid as much as I did for, the toy that you dearly wanna love cos it cost so much. the toy that you dont wanna hear a bad word said about cos it cost so much.
I'm starting to hate this dam thing.
think you have a defective HD
gt112 said:
it cost me €650
its buggy, hangs sometimes, I keep having to reset
keyboards sometimes dont popup
wifi is very weak (they used a cheap Texas Instrument chip for wifi that under lab tests runs at about 2/3 the performance of the Marvel chip in the iPhone). Again I remind you that I paid €650 for this thing.
ive owned the phone 6 days and already had to do 4 hard resets
cheap crappy speaker
camera lag 3 seconds to take photo
have to use virtal button to take photo
gps lags
cant assign / customise soft buttons (without installing third party cabs)
to do any customization on the dam thing, you have to install 3rd party cabs, ends up with a phone cluttered with all sorts of stuff most of which was not originally written for the HD. Phone gets unstable and starts hanging even more than usual.
touch screen is often unresponsive, the majority of dialogs put the ok button in the top right hand corner where it is least responsive. I often have to tap the buton 5-6 times to get it to respond
have to install everything on storage card as there is very limited storage built in
TouchFlo 3d has lots of bugs (have a read of the forum)
have to use headphones to get radio to work (be nice not to have to, id like to be able to demo the radio and use it in high strength signal areas w/o having to carry headphones around).
radio is noisy with poor reception
cant record radio
browser stops working at the drop of a hat. i.e. you manage to get a wifi connection, you use the web, leave phone for a minute, come back, hit power button, wifi wakes up, browser more often then not will no longer work (cannot find proxy server, no network, dns not available). I have to resolve with another soft reset
browser is a pain to use, it does not zoom intelligently, the amount of time I spend trying to line up after a zoom, then hittig links by mistake or trying to hit links and wondering wtf they do nothing.
the wifi on my unit is poor. i have written to htc and expansys and as of yet (a day and a half later) i have had no reply from either. sickening and worrying!
im in the middle of another hard reset right now after the phone screwed up yet again
doesnt lock properly (when a call comes in)
you have to install .Net 3.5. For god sakes its late 2008, could they not have shipped the rom with it already on there. not only that but you really need to install it onto the device for performance so it takes up valuable space (of which there is not much to begin with)
battery lasts a day at best with light use. if you use wifi and browse for an hour on the train you can reduce that to 3 or 4 hours. pretty lousy
lousy (and I mean LOUSY) video playback. You need a degree in computing to go and decode videos in specific ways to get them to play reasonably. Even the demo video that comes with the phone plays poorly.
hard to scroll through lists on screen without invoking the items on the list. i.e. scrolling the programs list I always end up running unwanted programs
when you send a text message, the phone does nothing, no "sending message" status, no confirmation that message sent. You have to fix with a tweak. again to fix, you have to install schaps config tool that clearly is not written for the HD. Its brilliant and I am not having a go at all but its anothe rlarge cab u have to install just to do the most basic things. jesus a "sending text" status is the most basic requiremt surely to god!!!
very hard to figure out how to disable 3g (cud be real expensive unless u have ur wits about u)
gps is very slow initially and weaker than on normal gps devices. I have had it unable to detect gps signals when my mate beside was using another device and getting signal - just like the wifi.
not possible to edit/customize TouchFlo 3D. You cant put an shortcut to a program on its home page for eg. YOu have to scroll along the awkward scroll bar to get to programs.
TF3D it completely take sover the Today screen so customizing the Today screen is absolutely pointlss unless you remove TF3D from it.
screen protector is crap and difficult to install.
finally for now . . .
it cost me €650
I know a lot of you are gonna hate me after this post. I dont blame you. I am dissing your beloved new toy, the toy that you paid as much as I did for, the toy that you dearly wanna love cos it cost so much. the toy that you dont wanna hear a bad word said about cos it cost so much.
I'm starting to hate this dam thing.
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Your HD is defective
wfhowell said:
Your HD is defective
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or perhaps its just not fit for purpose. if it is defective, then wouldn't it be nice of htc or expansys to respond to my email ?
defective
gt112 said:
or perhaps its just not fit for purpose. if it is defective, then wouldn't it be nice of htc or expansys to respond to my email ?
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I wouldnt email. I would call them if its defective...Or talk to the place where you got it for a refund.
I dont think its defective, I think it is a poor product
His soounds about the same as mine. It isn't defective that's just how they are.
Looking at your post history I can only see *****ing and moaning during the past few days.
You are just trolling now.
Is this your first WM device...
I've been using WM pda for 10 years now...the first 2-3 years..some devices are like you describe..but not nowadays..
It's either you have defective unit or you just dont know how to optimize it..
It is not like Iphone that works perfectly out of the box..
I will say no more. However the browsing and freeze ups and difficulties in using it are what I have experienced. So far my wifi works though. Most of the things I was *****ing about is what the OP is talking about so... go figure.
MAK
I'm *****ing and moaning as you put it because I have spent a lot of money on a poor product. Thus this post.
I am sorry if you think it a troll. If people want this thread removed then please feel free.
I thought he was saying I am a troll LOL Gt mine has many of the same problems don't worry about it.
I think there is a bug somewhere which hangs the device frequently. It need to be solved. If you're patient and wait, I'm sure the XDA community, with all the talents around, will solve it one day. Of course, we should also report to HTC (which someone already has, and provided the links here to them) and get a firmware update from them.
Hopefully, you also look at all the good things: your wide choice of GPS software, the fantastic office applications, the wide choice of software keybaord, etc.
If you're new to the Winmo world, I understand it could be difficult in the begining.
In you want to get away from the winmo world, your choice is iPhone, Nokia, Blackberry and the like. You need to know what your requirements are. Do not jump from one imperfect solution to another imperfect solution. Sit back to define your requirement before making your next purchase. Otherwise you will have many many more €650 down the drain.
Do you have an Hd now Steve? Also in another thread I asked if Hd will improve the software, now that it is out only devs here will fix it? That's sort of sad. I don't mean anything against the devs here I am sure you guys do a great job.
thanks to everyone who replied, god I really have started something here havn't I.
I know, be patient, its not all bad, etc etc.
But hey, look at the WiFi issue for example.
This doesn't mean I have a defective phone, It means I have a poor product.
Theres a cheap crappy chip built into the phone. That cannot be fixed with a hack or software update or a replacement
Some of your complaints such as freezing and lagginess I have also experienced. The zoom not centering and links not being clickable are certainly valid concerns. My HD behaves exactly the same. I can understand that maybe you have a bad chip as well. In another thread here some people couldn'y understand how frustrating that can be.
Great Post Eagle
eaglesteve said:
I think there is a bug somewhere which hangs the device frequently. It need to be solved. If you're patient and wait, I'm sure the XDA community, with all the talents around, will solve it one day. Of course, we should also report to HTC (which someone already has, and provided the links here to them) and get a firmware update from them.
Hopefully, you also look at all the good things: your wide choice of GPS software, the fantastic office applications, the wide choice of software keybaord, etc.
If you're new to the Winmo world, I understand it could be difficult in the begining.
In you want to get away from the winmo world, your choice is iPhone, Nokia, Blackberry and the like. You need to know what your requirements are. Do not jump from one imperfect solution to another imperfect solution. Sit back to define your requirement before making your next purchase. Otherwise you will have many many more €650 down the drain.
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Ive had a lot of WM devices too...THis one beats them all. Daughter has iphone. CUte phone, good for talking to others and music. Win Mobile is far from perfect, but its like Eagle says, weigh what you like and dont like, dont shift to another pda without counting the cost and research. Go and research some of the other phones too. Visit the forums, they have their share of problems too. For me the HD doesnt do everything i would like, some i wish improves. But there is no phone that is the perfect phone anywhere. Hope you find what you like. Not easy in the PDA world. Good luck!!
ryaninuk said:
Do you have an Hd now Steve? Also in another thread I asked if Hd will improve the software, now that it is out only devs here will fix it? That's sort of sad. I don't mean anything against the devs here I am sure you guys do a great job.
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My HD has not arrived yet, but I hope it's either today or tomorrow. The ebay seller which claims to be based in Melbourne, is apparently shipping out of Hong Kong.
There is a thread on the device hanging that I'm watching. Hopefullly someone nails the bug. I'm sure there is a bug somewhere.
When I started using my Athena, hanging was a common problem. Now it is gone. Sometimes it is due to defective storage card, sometimes it is wrong formatting parameters being used for the storage card, sometimes it is lack of optimization in the ROM... but eventually it got fixed.
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thanks to everyone who replied, god I really have started something here havn't I.
I know, be patient, its not all bad, etc etc.
But hey, look at the WiFi issue for example.
This doesn't mean I have a defective phone, It means I have a poor product.
Theres a cheap crappy chip built into the phone. That cannot be fixed with a hack or software update or a replacement
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Have you tried changing the setting to have best performance instead of battery life? It might just help to keep the WIFI signal a little more stable.
gt112 said:
it cost me €650
its buggy, hangs sometimes, I keep having to reset
keyboards sometimes dont popup
wifi is very weak (they used a cheap Texas Instrument chip for wifi that under lab tests runs at about 2/3 the performance of the Marvel chip in the iPhone). Again I remind you that I paid €650 for this thing.
ive owned the phone 6 days and already had to do 4 hard resets
cheap crappy speaker
camera lag 3 seconds to take photo
have to use virtal button to take photo
gps lags
cant assign / customise soft buttons (without installing third party cabs)
to do any customization on the dam thing, you have to install 3rd party cabs, ends up with a phone cluttered with all sorts of stuff most of which was not originally written for the HD. Phone gets unstable and starts hanging even more than usual.
touch screen is often unresponsive, the majority of dialogs put the ok button in the top right hand corner where it is least responsive. I often have to tap the buton 5-6 times to get it to respond
have to install everything on storage card as there is very limited storage built in
TouchFlo 3d has lots of bugs (have a read of the forum)
have to use headphones to get radio to work (be nice not to have to, id like to be able to demo the radio and use it in high strength signal areas w/o having to carry headphones around).
radio is noisy with poor reception
cant record radio
browser stops working at the drop of a hat. i.e. you manage to get a wifi connection, you use the web, leave phone for a minute, come back, hit power button, wifi wakes up, browser more often then not will no longer work (cannot find proxy server, no network, dns not available). I have to resolve with another soft reset
browser is a pain to use, it does not zoom intelligently, the amount of time I spend trying to line up after a zoom, then hitting links by mistake or trying to hit links and wondering wtf they do nothing.
the wifi on my unit is poor. i have written to htc and expansys and as of yet (a day and a half later) i have had no reply from either. sickening and worrying!
im in the middle of another hard reset right now after the phone screwed up yet again
doesnt lock properly (when a call comes in)
you have to install .Net 3.5. For god sakes its late 2008, could they not have shipped the rom with it already on there. not only that but you really need to install it onto device storage rather than card storage for performance so it takes up valuable space (of which there is not much to begin with)
battery lasts a day at best with light use. if you use wifi and browse for an hour on the train you can reduce that to 3 or 4 hours. pretty lousy
lousy (and I mean LOUSY) video playback. You need a degree in computing to go and encode videos in specific ways to get them to play reasonably. Even the demo video that comes with the phone plays poorly.
hard to scroll through lists on screen without invoking the items on the list. i.e. scrolling the programs list I always end up running unwanted programs
when you send a text message, the phone does nothing, no "sending message" status, no confirmation that message sent. You have to fix with a tweak. again to fix, you have to install schaps config tool that clearly is not written for the HD. Its brilliant and I am not having a go at all but its anothe rlarge cab u have to install just to do the most basic things. jesus a "sending text" status is the most basic requiremt surely to god!!!
very hard to figure out how to disable 3g (cud be real expensive unless u have ur wits about u)
gps is very slow initially and weaker than on normal gps devices. I have had it unable to detect gps signals when my mate beside was using another device and getting signal - just like the wifi.
not possible to edit/customize TouchFlo 3D. You can't put an shortcut to a program on its home page for eg. You have to scroll along the awkward scroll bar to get to programs.
TF3D completely takes over the Today screen so customizing the Today screen is absolutely pointless unless you remove TF3D from it.
screen protector is crap and difficult to install.
finally for now . . .
it cost me €650
I know a lot of you are gonna hate me after this post. I dont blame you. I am dissing your beloved new toy, the toy that you paid as much as I did for, the toy that you dearly wanna love cos it cost so much. the toy that you dont wanna hear a bad word said about cos it cost so much.
I'm starting to hate this dam thing.
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grandma?
ops, sorry, you sound just like her...
wfhowell said:
Ive had a lot of WM devices too...THis one beats them all. Daughter has iphone. CUte phone, good for talking to others and music. Win Mobile is far from perfect, but its like Eagle says, weigh what you like and dont like, dont shift to another pda without counting the cost and research. Go and research some of the other phones too. Visit the forums, they have their share of problems too. For me the HD doesnt do everything i would like, some i wish improves. But there is no phone that is the perfect phone anywhere. Hope you find what you like. Not easy in the PDA world. Good luck!!
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I never had any illusion thinking that HD is a perfect device. I already made a lot of noise about the small screen size (I wanted a 4.5 inch), lack of D-pad etc. But hey, we do research first, and go in with our eye open and not have false expectation.l
I have been having teh following problems with my X1 and just spoken to O2, have arranged an exchange. I could probably do some reset on it and sort the problem, but since I am still withint the 28 days period, why the hassle?
- Phone loves turning itself off, not the screen, but the phone itself.
- Passcode playing trick, half of the time even I entre the correct code, it won't unlock my phone, and says wrong passcode.
- Installed apps can't be found even the successfully installed message shows up.
- none of the games I have installed works or else won't work to the full screen.
- Google Mail won't work after installed from the Google website.
Anyone eles have the same problems? Or is it just me?
as of now maybe just you mate, maybe something you have installed. maybe try to hard reset just to find out and if nothing happens then exchange it. it's worth the try mate and tell us what happens.
My Xperia has a faulty headphones socket I returned it to where I got it from, then they sent me another one. And guess what that had a faulty headphone socket as well.
When the headphones are inserted nothing happens. Also the headphone icon does not appear.
Any Ideas ??
A hard reset is a good idea, or I might have to wait forever for the phone to arrive, always out of stock... what is SE playing at?
I have tried hard reset and it dosent work
It seems to me that the X1 has so many little problems as I have heard / seen, this si my first WM phone, so can't compare... nearly sold my X1 for an iphone (I am a Mac user), but no, not worse the money.
maybe xperia phones are selling well, lol.
go for the hard reset mate.
@brut3forc3
maybe its the same phone, lol
if not return it to them again and ask them to check the unit in front of you
brut3forc3 said:
I have tried hard reset and it dosent work
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Or rather push stronger the mini jack,
it normally stays on some position, the last fragment has to be pushed a bit harder.
brut3forc3 said:
I have tried hard reset and it dosent work
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hard reset won't solve the problem of your headphone problem mate, its a different problem
If you have problems with your X1s either
A) take them back to your supplier,
B) use the SE X1 support (theres a little silver card in with all the documents).
If the device is turning off (completely) then it's a hardware fault, have you checked the power settings?
funny enough, I had exactuly the same problem (phone turning itslef off) with my SE W960, sent it in for repair, nothing was found... I bet it would be the same this time, maybe I just don't have those so called "technician hands" I work in technical support and very often with the head technician touches certain things, they work!)
I have checked the power setting, nothing is wrong, just weird... maybe I am just unlucky.
Like other replies suggested, a hardware reset would probably do the job, but since I am still within the 14 or 28 days period, I would rather not take the risk of having the same problem again o day 29 where I would have to send it in for repair than having a new handset...
My biggest gripe with this phone is the double tap/ click bug or feature.
It appears that even while the screen is on and the back light is off, when you tap the screen it turns on the backlight and then you have to tap again to perform an action.
1 - never had that problem
2 - never had that one either
3 - Sometimes it does that, but it's the app's fault, not the phone's.
4 - Games are working fine if you install the "arm" ones adn the ones that are for ppc. The resolution is not a problem of the phone. It's just that the phone is new and not many game manufacturers support it. Yet.
5 - Idon't use Gmail sorry
P the Photographer said:
- Phone loves turning itself off, not the screen, but the phone itself
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Go to start -> settings -> system tab -> power -> advanced tab -> uncheck "Turn off device if no used for... x minutes"
P the Photographer said:
- Passcode playing trick, half of the time even I entre the correct code, it won't unlock my phone, and says wrong passcode
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1- Press harder
2- Use the hardware keyboard
3- Disable passcode
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- Installed apps can't be found even the successfully installed message shows up
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I've tested TONS OF APPS and this never happened to me. Please explain a little: which "apps" are not installing properly ??
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- none of the games I have installed works or else won't work to the full screen
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Xperia X1 is one of a kind, a new breed of HI-RES WVGA devices. Check if those games are compatible with WVGA resolution or exchange your Xperia for an archaic QVGA device
P the Photographer said:
- Google Mail won't work after installed from the Google website
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Hmmm... you don't need to download the google app at all, that's for older, slower, low-mem devices.
I use google all the time
1- Open gmail's web page in Opera browser
2- Set up your gmail account in Mesages, it is autoamted and works a treat !!!
IN CONCLUSION: I think your phone is OK. Mine never turns off, never freezes, never hangs up
I've had the diamond, tytn etc and let me tell you this phone is far more reliable than those previous devices...
Don't blame the phone, blame some app or tweak you have done
May I suggest you to hard-reset the phone and start installing your apps, mods and tewaks one by one until you find the faulty one
Remember: this is not a simple "phone": ithis is a computer with Windows.
You wouldn't be blaming Dell if your PC becomes unstable after adding some programs/apps/games that are not suitable for your, let's say, video graphics card as an example
I have somewhat of a problem with mine 2.. It doesn´t seem to play any of my mp3´s that i put on it,but wma files work just fine.. Strangely it plays the mp3´s that were on it when i bought it.. Any idea what the problem might be??
Well, I have changed the setting abot teh power, still happening, nevermind, a replacement is coming tomorrow, so I guess I will just start fresh again. What do they do with these faulty phones? Do the fix them and sell the as reconditioned at a lower price or sth? How about those unwanted return? Just a matter of interest.
Is it technical possible ?
You know like on old mobile phones - alarm clock wakes up device and you hear Alarm even if your phone was turned off.
I think such modern processors definitely must support wake-up functions and it's independent from WM OS.
Would like to hear answers from knowing people.
Thanks.
I'm also interested at this Question!
Also interested in this solution
Nice question, that keeps on popping up for new WM-users...
For the moment it is impossible, due to many hardware design-changes that would be necessary and these would produce a severe amount of OS-standard-changes. (clock/poweron has to be abstracted as device, kept in synch with old-fashioned internal clock for compatibility, etc)
If M$ decides for this fundamental hardware-addon/change for WM7, (as I would do if I were they), I will throw in some discussing charged elements:
The HTC HD2 will not fully comply to WM7 standards, due to missing standards
OR
HTC has already accessed M$ holy white papers for WM7 and already made it pre-compliant. (I would doubt this)
In the end, it will be a guess, if no HTC engineer clicks in here.... but for now at WM6.5 stage - a simple NO is all I can tell.
MS have already published the WM7 compliance specs, and none of this is in there, people have been asking for it (not sure why?) since WinCE4 days (WM2003/WM2003SE) and MS have done nothing to add it.
Like I say, not sure why you would want the device off? if you dont want it to ring etc, just put it in flight mode, hardly uses any battery in that mode anyhow.
Like I say though, it's not coming anytime soon, if ever, and a lot of other 'smartphone' OS's dont have it either.
Hello,
Thanks for your answers.
Really... I thought this "wake-up" functions is platform independent. Anyaway I'm pretty sure Processor chips support this function. MS doesn't make they own chips. So I suspect it's how that Windows Mobile BIOS is built.
Or I'm wrong?
The Windows Mobile platform does not use a BIOS as such, that functionality is taken over by the SPL layer of the device (and the Radio Stack in some parts)
So, nope. Like I said though, why do you want it? Android and iPhone don't do it either, so it's not like its a WinMo only thing (some of the latest Nokia's dont do it either)
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The Windows Mobile platform does not use a BIOS as such, that functionality is taken over by the SPL layer of the device (and the Radio Stack in some parts)
So, nope. Like I said though, why do you want it? Android and iPhone don't do it either, so it's not like its a WinMo only thing (some of the latest Nokia's dont do it either)
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Maybe you're right, cause with turned off display my phone power consumption is very low.
But I consider it's a useful function.
I had an accident when someone stole my old Nokia 7210. That person turned off phone, but I was able to find it because I've heard alarm sound, which played. =)
arcades said:
Maybe you're right, cause with turned off display my phone power consumption is very low.
But I consider it's a useful function.
I had an accident when someone stole my old Nokia 7210. That person turned off phone, but I was able to find it because I've heard alarm sound, which played. =)
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Spose, however just use Exchange or MyPhone and you can get the location of the device back over the web much easier