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XDA II: Closed Applications Still Running In Memory

Open an application, for example, Internet Explorer and then close it.
Next, check out the applications running in memory:
Settings-> System-> Memory-> Running Programs
Internet Explorer is apparently still running in memory! Is this a known bug and if so, is there a work around as I would expect this to affect the performance.
Also note this happened before and after the ROM 1.60 Upgrade.

it's been like that from the first version of windows CE
i suppose that because of slow cpu and mem
and such ms believed that keeping the applications running
would inc the response time of the pda so they would not
seem slugish compared to palm and other pda os's

This is a Windows Mobile 2003 'feature' :roll:
There are programs available to close the program down completely.
I have my personal favourite, by far, and is completely free. I can't remember the name of it and I'm currently updating my ROM, but as soon as that's done, I'll look in ActiveSync and let you know.

chopper32uk said:
Open an application, for example, Internet Explorer and then close it.
Next, check out the applications running in memory:
Settings-> System-> Memory-> Running Programs
Internet Explorer is apparently still running in memory! Is this a known bug and if so, is there a work around as I would expect this to affect the performance.
Also note this happened before and after the ROM 1.60 Upgrade.
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Certainly one of the thing's that I've found since the recent XDAII ROM update is that closing apps down via the Tast Manager has caused the OS to crash out with the message 'A unhandled error has occurred in the shell.' type message (has only happened a couple of times). The only way forward from this is a soft reset.
Nutz

Hi,
How are you trying to exit the programs that this happens to ? It could be that instead of clicking what you think is the close button, you are actually clicking the Today Screen icon ?
As regards Task Managers, the best I have come across and use all the time is PocketNav. Here is a link for it.
http://www.scottandmichelle.net/scott/cestuff.html
This app allows you to see currently running programs and flip between them with ease. You can also close or close all programs from this menu too.
Hope this helps.
Rgds,
Rob.

WisBar Advance
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/wisbar
Highly recommended, very small memory footprint, very fast and highly customizable. Oh, and FREE. If you get it, make sure you download an XP skin. Don't use the bundled ones
EDIT: Just so you know, it doesn't officially support Phone Edition. To turn the phone on/off via the taskbar, you have to close WisBar to access the icon.

Rob_B said:
Hi,
How are you trying to exit the programs that this happens to ?
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I'm just using the O2 Active Task Manager (the little arrow on the bottom of the screen) that comes by default with the OS (haven't got round yet to installing a decent Task Manager - will check out the suggestions made here!).
Nutz

WisBar Advance is one of the better ones that I've used but I will not give PocketNav a go, as there is a HUGE problem with WisBar and the XDAII.
Once you recive a call and access a notification (missed call, SMS things like that). You will not be able to recive any calls after that, if you ring your XDAII from another phone it actualy rings on the other phone but the XDA II does not register the call at all (as though no call is even being placed!!!, no missed call, no error messages NOTHING!!!)
I loved WisBar untill I've narrowed the problem down of not reciving calls to uninstalling or exiting WisBar and doing a softreset and never had the problems again...
Most other task managers I've found seem to have problems with the Phone Edition, cannot hide the Phone ID Program, cant close the Phone after it has been opend, phone keeps ringing over and over a gain even though there is not incomming calls... all are a few problems I have found with other Task managers I've tried... I will give that PocketNav a go and see how it works with phone edition...

I have tested most task managers under Phone Edition and my conclusion is that SBP's Pocket Plus is THEone...
It actually let's you see the notification area just as it's meant to be and it let's you exclude applications so they don't close but minimize (perfect for IA_Caller_Id.exe)
Best regards,
Rayan

Do you know of any freeware ones that are worth while?

Automatic Memory clearance in K-Jam

I have used pcoket PC devices from the Philip Velo1 and even before that. I have never faced memory loss like with the K-Jam. The device slows down with time but when I check the running programs list I see a full page list. As soon as I close them all the device performs well again.
Is there anyway of automatically clearing memory and closing running programs with the K-Jam (WM5) after say 2 or more programs running?

Hi.
What you need is to read http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=29863
and then install PocketPlus 3.0.1 . Problem solved
if you want to go fastter then read
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=30011
and do what it say's .
but like everything in life do yer research before you take a risk .
I did, and the results were great . 200% improvement in performance and useability.

Thanks for the response. By the way I have already removed the Antivirus software.
But how does the PocketPlus help?
By the way I have tried the latest PocketPlus and it still crushed my k-Jam on reset.

alman said:
Thanks for the response. By the way I have already removed the Antivirus software.
But how does the PocketPlus help?
By the way I have tried the latest PocketPlus and it still crushed my k-Jam on reset.
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Check to make sure you have version 3.0.3 of PocketPlus as my K-JAM crashed every time with 3.0.1. It wasnt until i downloaded 3.0.3 that i was able to boot normally. You could also disable the safe mode feature in Pocket Plus options before you reset which fixes the boot problem with earlier 3.x releases.
EDIT: SPB Software now has a note on the PocketPlus version history informing that the Wizard specific issues with safe mode have been fixed as of v3.0.4.
http://spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/pocketplus/history.html?en
Pocket Plus has a feature where you can change the behaviour of the close button [X] so it can close apps instead of minimise or even popup a menu with more options. Have a search of the forum here, and over at www.modaco.com as there is heaps of info about Pocket Plus and other options for closing / minimising apps (some of them are even free).
Regards,
Chris

SPB Pocket Plus !!
can you provide me a link where to freely download Pocket Plus 3.0.3 or 3.0.4 ??? i'd appreciate it ...
thanx in advance.

If you're buying PocketPlus just for the task/memory manager, have a look at the many free alternatives, e.g. WisBar Advance, VBar, MagicButton, Pocket Nav, GSPocketMagic etc etc. Several (e.g. MagicButton, GSPocketMagic) allow you to set exception lists so you get to choose what gets automatically closed instead of minimized.
That's the best way with the Wizard, as some apps need to be kept in memory due to the slow loading times from ROM, e.g. Calendar, Contacts and Messaging. For URLs, Google is your friend.

I actually prefer managing what's running in the memory manually. gives me a feeling of control. I usually leave some of the frequent apps running. stuff like calendar, phone, activesync, IE.

program memory keeps filling up

i am having a problem with my O2 exec, i have the latest rom update and i am running pocket weather and batti monitor. After normal use of my pda the program memory will drop from 20ish to about 6.
This is causing some programs to crash and is annoying me, i am closing all running programs in program manager but this dosn't seem to help.
Is there any way to free up program memory without reseting?
Cheers, James.

Try Oxios Memory: http://www.oxios.com/memory/
It is free and works great for the Universal. I also have SPB Backup installed and set to do automatic backups at 5 AM everyday followed by a automatic soft reset. This assures me my data is safe and I wouldn't run out of memory for the day. Just a suggestion on my part.

Which version of Pocket Weather are you using? I heard the earlier versions caused a memory leak with some of the ROMs. You should try uninstalling Pocket Weather for a week or so and see if that helps.

A good today plugin for calendar???

Hi guys...
I'm looking for a good today plugin for use in the TyTN in order to see calendar and task events... like Pocket Breezer or SPB Diary.
The thing here is that I would like to know if have had some experience with this apps in the TyTN; I really wont want to have problems with the stability/operation of the device.
In My old WM2003SE the Pocket Breeze was just perfect, but when I first try it on the TyTN I had some issues...
I just would like to know, in your experience...wich app would you recomend for have a good view of the calendar in the today screen.
Thanks in advace for sharing!!

Try Today Agenda - free & works well.

What issues did you have with Pocket Breeze? Have you tried the latest 5.2 version? You could post a question on the SBSH forum, they can usually resolve problems with you.
I have Breeze on my T-Mobile MDA Vario II and it works flawlessly.

I have use the V 5.001 trial version (cause I wanted to check if worked before buying it)... The main problem was that TyTN crashed too many times and i need to soft reset a lot; even after a soft reset sometimes still doesn work and had to aply a new soft reset.
I will give a try to the latest version as you said and also will use it without any other today plugin...I use to have Spb weather, skype, and the lock device in my today screen.
thanks for the comments...!!
any one else with another app that can try...??
thanks

I use spb Diary and really like it. As you have spb weather, you can integrate that into the diary as an additional feature too.

As baxter says try today agenda a very good plugin and its free. Many have even switched from PB to this.
see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=270288

I'm using the pack of sbsh apps, pocketbreeze, pocketweather, ilauncher, and contactbreeze on my 8525 without issue...
http://www.mobilitysite.com/forums/vbgarage.php?do=view&id=13843

As for me I would advice SPB Diary. It works stable on my HTC TyTN for 3 months. I also apreciated its "completeness" - it presents almost all PIM information in one place - calendar, tasks, e-mails, contacts.
Re stability - I understand it often depends on the app collection you install. The more install - the less stable system become , of cause it;s always possible to try different combintaions and find a good balance, but...
Good luck in search and try!
p.s. I also tried Pocket Breeze + Contacts and found these combination working a bit slower and giving me less features than SPB Pocket Plus + SPB Diary, IMHO.

I am also a fan of today agenda

I am using Pocket Breeze, iLauncher and Pocket Weather all together on a Tytn....works perfectly.
Be sure to install in system memory, not the storage card.
I have found the TyTn will occassionally freeze when these were installed on the storage card. Since moving to main memory I have been very stable.

digitalfx said:
I am using Pocket Breeze, iLauncher and Pocket Weather all together on a Tytn....works perfectly.
Be sure to install in system memory, not the storage card.
I have found the TyTn will occassionally freeze when these were installed on the storage card. Since moving to main memory I have been very stable.
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as a rule of thumb, anything that access's the today screen or is constantly in use should be installed to the main memory and not the card.. some will work just fine installed to the card, but if you find you are having issues with it then you might want to move it to the phone

I use Calendar+ from http://mohairsofa.com/Default.aspx/document/10
and it's FREE

shogunmark said:
as a rule of thumb, anything that access's the today screen or is constantly in use should be installed to the main memory and not the card.. some will work just fine installed to the card, but if you find you are having issues with it then you might want to move it to the phone
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Thank you all...
I think this was the problem; the trial period I used pocket breezer and SPB Diary I installed them in Storage card... so, now I will install in main memory; as some members have said, both app works just fine without problems so, now the point is just decide the one that looks better and gives the more info..
Also will give a try to the Today Agenda... always nice try the free ones.. ;-)
Regards!

Same here... calendar + rocks! Free, simple, small... can't beat that!

Cal+ works perfect for me too!

I used calendar+ and tasks+ for over a year. Switched to Today Agenda. Free and much better. Check it out.
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-todayagenda-v0-9-21.html

8525 - How to tell what program is causing hang!?

My gf and I just got 8525's. I've installed LOTS of stuff (resco and spb) on mine, and some stuff on her's. Hers has been locking up like crazy lately, so we took off all the spb and resco today plugins, and that didn't help. We are going to uninstall the PTT fix and the devicelock cab to see if that helps.
But is there any way to see what program is causing the hang!? Like an "event viewer" like windows has!?!?
Cause my phone is working fine, but whenever I go to "phone" under system, it hangs. I'm guessing it happens because I changed my ringtone DIR to my SD card. But I changed it back to /windows now, and it still hangs. I want to be able to get into it, but dunno what is messing it up. I also have SPB Phone suite, so I turned off the notifications and phone profiles thinking that might help, but no go.
PLEASE help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

try doing a hard reset.. it's in settings > system > clear storage

I know I could do that, but I'd rather not have to go through and reinstall all the programs. I'd rather just find out what program is causing the problems, so I know to uninstall it....

illestone said:
My gf and I just got 8525's. I've installed LOTS of stuff (resco and spb) on mine, and some stuff on her's. Hers has been locking up like crazy lately, so we took off all the spb and resco today plugins, and that didn't help. We are going to uninstall the PTT fix and the devicelock cab to see if that helps.
But is there any way to see what program is causing the hang!? Like an "event viewer" like windows has!?!?
Cause my phone is working fine, but whenever I go to "phone" under system, it hangs. I'm guessing it happens because I changed my ringtone DIR to my SD card. But I changed it back to /windows now, and it still hangs. I want to be able to get into it, but dunno what is messing it up. I also have SPB Phone suite, so I turned off the notifications and phone profiles thinking that might help, but no go.
PLEASE help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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had same prob. Took out SPB and all is fine. I was running WM5 then ... and had lots of hang-ups ( Phone becomes disfunctional), I just recently updated to WM6 and I am having way better experience with my HTC 8525.

I was hopeing someone wouldn't say that
I have:
Spb Phone Suite
Spb Mobile Shell
and LOVE them....I really only use the Suite for notification reminders (like when I miss a call or sms, it reminds me every 5 mins) I also use resco explorer (today plugin).
But on my gf's phone, we already took out all SPB products, and it's still hanging. I guess I could run MemMaid to maybe clean up the reg or something....
I still don't know why hers would be acting up when mine has LOADS more stuff on it....