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Electric Shock !?

I recently bought an official o2 mains charger for my exec. It works exactly as expected, except for one thing!
It's giving me an electric shock! A very mild one, but it's there. The metal part on the top of the exec is getting electrified when charging with the mains charger.
Does anyone else with the mains charger experience this? I only noticed it when I rubbed my finger across it, it felt more "textured" than usual.

DaWolfey said:
I recently bought an official o2 mains charger for my exec. It works exactly as expected, except for one thing!
It's giving me an electric shock! A very mild one, but it's there. The metal part on the top of the exec is getting electrified when charging with the mains charger.
Does anyone else with the mains charger experience this? I only noticed it when I rubbed my finger across it, it felt more "textured" than usual.
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Yes. I thought that was normal?

belfast-biker said:
Yes. I thought that was normal?
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It doesn't seem very normal to me... certainly not what you'd expect at least.

YES. I noticed it the first time i charged it up. I showed it to other people but they couldnt feel it. Now I know I am not alone. I wouldnt have said it was normal, but i have got used to it.
Euan

My m5000 does this too.
The easiest way to feel it is to softly stroke the metal pad on the lid with the case closed. It feels kinda nice, but is definately current.

My JasJar, IIs and my old Xda II also did this. But only those. Perhaps it's not earthed well?

Qtek 9000 has this too

You'll be surprised how many devices have this, actually. However, it shouldn't be of any concern - it's OK'd by law in most countries. Compare it, if you will, to one of those cheap halogen light desklamps ( http://www.lightwindow.com/desklamp/500/halogen/129bl.jpg ). The 12V goes straight through the telescoping metal tubing itself, and if you rub your fingers along one side while holding the other, you'll get the same sensation. That's why they often have a little warning label with them about not hanging any necklaces over them, or it will shortcircuit ( easily tested.. it just sparks a little, but I wouldn't recommend doing it ). The power rating for these lamps is *much* higher than for any pocket device. So although it's not particularly proper (non-conductive tubing with some retractable wires would be better - but oh-so-much more expensive to manufacture), it's part of the design, and nothing to worry about.

i had noticed it, but i didnt know what it was

DaWolfey said:
I recently bought an official o2 mains charger for my exec. It works exactly as expected, except for one thing!
It's giving me an electric shock! A very mild one, but it's there. The metal part on the top of the exec is getting electrified when charging with the mains charger.
Does anyone else with the mains charger experience this? I only noticed it when I rubbed my finger across it, it felt more "textured" than usual.
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Yes, it is true. There is a mild current along the top of the Jasjar.

wow... your first post... I'm honoured

No problem on my unit (Charmer). However, I've experienced this with other devices, an IBM Notebook (X series, bought 2003). It has a rubbery top (not metal), which give you a tickling feeling when you rub it with your sensitive skin (e.g. the skin under of your arm - wrist to elbow, the part where you do not get enough of sun light). I guess it is of a tolerance limit. I mean, if you try that on your VCD DVD player, I bet you will have the same problem too.

well that's certainly cleared that up.
Good to know it's not a faulty Exec.

I think its a "signature" of all HTC devices
I remember playing silly pranks on my xda2, where in i'd fake an incoming call when its plugged into the charger and hand it over to my friend (victim). The look on the face is worth a million! (i'm not sadistic as you're probably thinking right now, atleast not "as much"!)
the faceplate charge leak is really cool! I keep stroking it when i'm jobless. Its i guess a feature in many ways -
1. You dont have to hunt for the charging light indicator, just stroke the plate and you'd know if ur device is charging up
2. The phone call prank - priceless weapon!
3. An excellent window for passing time, stroking harmless current gives me a high! (oh yea, i'm kidding of course!)
All in all, i like the charge leak!
San
PS: Just got back from an extremely long and tiring business trip, hope my post has some relavence to the topic and makes sense in any remote manner

All of the devices which use a Switch mode power supply has it. It isn't a fault rather a design. This reason is that Switch Mode Powersupplies do not have a transformer which isolate the main 110/220 from the output.
You can also experience it if you have a computer with a metal casing (those white boxed computers)
There is however a method to minimize that shock effect. though it might not be possible with three pin adapters. Here we have two pinned adapters so just plugging it in the opposite direction make the shock go away.

ady said:
All of the devices which use a Switch mode power supply has it. It isn't a fault rather a design. This reason is that Switch Mode Powersupplies do not have a transformer which isolate the main 110/220 from the output.
You can also experience it if you have a computer with a metal casing (those white boxed computers)
There is however a method to minimize that shock effect. though it might not be possible with three pin adapters. Here we have two pinned adapters so just plugging it in the opposite direction make the shock go away.
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lol.. I thought since you are writing in bold, it should be something.. good. Anyway, the only thing that I've notice that is right on your post is that, SMPower adapter does not have a transformer.
The isolation of the transformer doesn't stop the device from giving you a shock.
What do you mean by 'white boxed computers'? You mean those normal desktop, huh? I'm not sure about what's going on at your side, but we use 3 pin plugs here, and the 3rd pin is a ground line, which is the effective way of getting rid of electric shocks (e.g. it absorb the 'wild' current to ground, instead to you)
And the most funny thing is your last comment. You can make the shock away by flipping your two pin plug? What is the logic to that? There is a diode-like device in the adapter that will convert the current/voltage of your AC to DC. It doesn't matter how you connect your adapter, it will end up the same somewhere in the adapter way before it touches your device.
Anyway, surprisingly, for someone who doesn't seems to know electricity, you know what Switch Mode Power Supplies

ady said:
... so just plugging it in the opposite direction make the shock go away...
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Rigghhhhtt... That makes a lot of sense (not) :roll:

mdaexecfan said:
ady said:
... so just plugging it in the opposite direction make the shock go away...
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Rigghhhhtt... That makes a lot of sense (not) :roll:
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Come on, maybe he meant the other other way, you know, with the pins pointing into the room rather than into the socket?
I bet that would stop the current leak!

I have no idea about anything electrical... but don't be too hard on ady. He was the one who decrypted bootloader 1.0 for the universal which is very useful to some of us... so he's acutally very smart! At least, he is at programming/hacking.

recommendation for wired headset/mic

Hello,
Would someone please recommended a good/decent wired headset/mic earphone? Ideally one with the USB male end that the Tilt will accept.
Thanks.

if you have a good set of 3.5mm headphones you can use this
http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=866
I just got mine, works great. A bit hard to insert the male into the kaiser for the first time (in my case it was to big for the female, lol)

ekw said:
if you have a good set of 3.5mm headphones you can use this
http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=866
I just got mine, works great. A bit hard to insert the male into the kaiser for the first time (in my case it was to big for the female, lol)
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Thanks ekw.
That may be a viable option.
Tex........

I got something similar in the retractable InEar Isolators, also from Seidio (http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=777)
i can confirm that they work well, both in the sense of working well with the kaiser and also working well in terms of sound quality. I have only had them for a while and don't make that many phone calls, but have had no complaints so far about the mic quality, but still too early to judge on this.
my main complaint is the way the jack bends to the right, which obstructs taking the stylus out on my kaiser. i can still take it out, but only with considerable effort.

Anyone know if a straight plug version is avail?
somynex said:
I got something similar in the retractable InEar Isolators, also from Seidio (http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=777)
i can confirm that they work well, both in the sense of working well with the kaiser and also working well in terms of sound quality. I have only had them for a while and don't make that many phone calls, but have had no complaints so far about the mic quality, but still too early to judge on this.
my main complaint is the way the jack bends to the right, which obstructs taking the stylus out on my kaiser. i can still take it out, but only with considerable effort.
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Thanks for that mini review. Is anyone aware of a seller in the UK with a straight plug version of these? I'd rather avoid the $25 postage they charge to post it to the UK. What an oversight to not consider whether the stylus can be removed properly when the headset is plugged in It makes me wonder if they actually tested out a prototype before putting them into production. The way I see it, the only acceptable plug shape is straight because even if it bent 90 degrees to the other side then it would interfere with any attached lanyard, bent up would obstruct the microSD slot and down means the device wouldn't sit flat.

Flying Kiwi said:
Thanks for that mini review. Is anyone aware of a seller in the UK with a straight plug version of these? I'd rather avoid the $25 postage they charge to post it to the UK. What an oversight to not consider whether the stylus can be removed properly when the headset is plugged in It makes me wonder if they actually tested out a prototype before putting them into production. The way I see it, the only acceptable plug shape is straight because even if it bent 90 degrees to the other side then it would interfere with any attached lanyard, bent up would obstruct the microSD slot and down means the device wouldn't sit flat.
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This might work for you. http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=148518&asource=151713
BTW, anyone try this yet??
It has a straight plug, and you can get it from expansys UK...

I've been happy with the HTC OEM earphones from this guy: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-OEM-STEREO-...ryZ20336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Hard to beat his price - less than five bucks delivered in the US. I was impressed enough that I went back and bought a second pair.
The USB jack on the ones that I have bends 90 degrees to the left, so the stylus isn't covered.

suntzu said:
This might work for you. http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=148518&asource=151713
BTW, anyone try this yet??
It has a straight plug, and you can get it from expansys UK...
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Thanks for the link. It’s not worth me crossgrading from the original HTC supplied headset for those - they seem much the same sort of thing. If you look at the other link I was referring to you'll see they're the sort of earphones that go right into your ears. The problems I have with my current original TyTN II headset include the foam 'socks' falling off regularly (the original socks only lasted a month or two and as HTC don't sell replacements, I'm now using Motorola ones) also they're a less than comfortable fit. If enough people enquire with Seidio then it may speed up the process of them releasing straight plug versions (hopefully with a decent carrying box).

greenbrd said:
I've been happy with the HTC OEM earphones from this guy: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-OEM-STEREO-...ryZ20336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Hard to beat his price - less than five bucks delivered in the US. I was impressed enough that I went back and bought a second pair.
The USB jack on the ones that I have bends 90 degrees to the left, so the stylus isn't covered.
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Thanks! Just ordered one...

suntzu said:
Thanks! Just ordered one...
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Same here.

For all of you who don't like these standard-earphones:
http://www.digitec.ch/?param=toppreise&wert=146036
With this one, a change of earphones is possible!

Tilt GPS Cradle from Justpal.com Revisited with GOOD NEWS

MisThis is a follow up to my last review of the GPS Cradle from Justpal.com.
First of all I must give KUDOS to Justpal.com . As I wrote before, I really had no problem with them as far as quick shipping. Their shipping fees were also lower than other vendors with the same model of GPS cradle. I referenced my previous review in the short space that eBay gives you for comments. The folks at Justpal emailed me for a copy of the review which I sent them. Of their own volition they sent me another cradle without charging me any shipping. While I was surprised, I did not anticipate much better performance than the last. I was pleasantly surprised!
Each of the issues which I had with the cradle was resolved with this new cradle. I apparently had received a unit that was produced with multiple defects.
The first issue I had was the fit of the Tilt in the cradle. This one is very good. It is still tight but the connector lined up without undue force or any wiggling of the Tilt to get it aligned. I would say this issue is resolved.
Secondly, since the vent mount brackets didn’t fit well in my Matrix vents, I used the suction cup mount. It is better than I had anticipated and actually allows the arm on the mount, which is covered with a ribbed plastic sleeve, to provide a bit of a cushion to the unit where it rests on the dashboard. It could also be adjusted to allow a landscape view of the road but I prefer to see the long view rather than the wide view of the road. It is slightly more to pack when I travel but not a real problem at all. I would consider this issue resolved also.
Thirdly and the real issue was due to the initial trouble I had with the speaker, I was never able to get the car on the road and drive around before the speaker broke completely. While this one still has some minor bleed thru with the car off and sitting still, there is not the incessant buzz as before and not even noticeable once the car is on and moving. The quality of the speaker is very satisfactory for the speaking voice of the TeleNav GPS. Where I can barely hear the voice from the Tilt speaker with the volume all the way up outside of the cradle, I was able to hear the directions quite clearly thru the built in speaker of the GPS cradle unit with the volume only approximately half way up on the Tilt. I don’t know about music but that is not a concern to me. The connectors are sturdier and they don’t wiggle on this unit. Thusly, the key issue has been resolved.
The only minor issue is that the suction cup mounting bracket still is a bit too snug to get off and on the cradle easily but a couple of passes with a small file resolved that issue and it is still snug but easier to get off and on.
In summary, I am now a “happy camper” and very appreciative of Justpal for taking the chance on sending me a new unit with no commitment on my part to give them a good review. They do have other Tilt desktop charging cradles and other accessories which I will order from them due to their outstanding customer service. I will be purchasing the charging cradle and a set of three of the combo pen and stylus that I have seen on well know sites for substantially more than Justpal charges.
Hope this helps others on their quest for a GPS cradle for their Tilt.

hello i bought 1 too so where do i get the version of this mount ? i would like to check it out ...
AL

you have a link?
their site does not show a cradle

LivinOne said:
you have a link?
their site does not show a cradle
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Here is a link to the item in their eBay store.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Custom-Car-Moun...35193QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262
It's $35.99 with $12.15 shipping which was fast. From the email I got from them this is the newer model that fits better - and the one they resent me does.
Here is the link to the search I did on the Tilt in their store.
http://search.stores.ebay.com/Justp...tpalQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsaselZ138177314QQsofpZ0
Hope this helps!

that looks great! I am gonna have to get one of those for my travels....

speaker not as good
Well, I used to have one. I bought it originally for my previous Hermes 8525. It does hold the device securely as it is made specifically for the device. But you cannot rely on the speaker function due to it being too close to the, so will hear static all the time, especially while the phone is charging.

I have one for my old Wizard. It came with an iBT bluetooth GPS for like 10 bucks. It fit great and charged great but the speaker never did work. I just did a chop job on it this week end and turned it into a really nice holder for my tilt. hacked off the crap at the bottom, fitted a usb to a charger, mounted to a vent and it's nice. I Just took some crapy pictures from my web cam to show it off before I realized I've got nowhere to post them. So, you'll have to just trust me, you're jealous.

Is there an audio-out port on the cradle that can be connected to any other speaker source? I cannot tell from the pictures. Thanks!

Just received mine. Kaiser fits securely, speaker works well (with 1 exception below), suction cup works well. 3 complaints if anyone has any idea how to solve them:
1 - Bounces up and down ALOT and is too long! Appears to be an aluminum tube with black plastic cover. Has anyone tried shortening it by a few inches? How does it connect on each end? Did that help with bounce?
2 - Kaiser fits very tight. Can be difficult to get out (but better than having it jump out on it's own). Does is loosen up over time?
3 - When Kaiser is in the cradle some sentences in TomTom get truncated, in particular the one that says "After 400 meters take left turn" now says only "After". Works fine out of cradle but truncates this verbiage while in cradle. Weird.

GGW69 said:
Just received mine. Kaiser fits securely, speaker works well (with 1 exception below), suction cup works well. 3 complaints if anyone has any idea how to solve them:
1 - Bounces up and down ALOT and is too long! Appears to be an aluminum tube with black plastic cover. Has anyone tried shortening it by a few inches? How does it connect on each end? Did that help with bounce?
2 - Kaiser fits very tight. Can be difficult to get out (but better than having it jump out on it's own). Does is loosen up over time?
3 - When Kaiser is in the cradle some sentences in TomTom get truncated, in particular the one that says "After 400 meters take left turn" now says only "After". Works fine out of cradle but truncates this verbiage while in cradle. Weird.
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I have had mine now for a few weeks and still pleased with it. I can comment on the first two.
1. I bent the tube down so that it was tight against the dash and that helped quite a bit. I have a Matrix so the ride is not all that smooth so it still jars some but so does my butt.
2. It does slide in easier after a while. I can now get it out without an extreme amount of effort but it is still snug.
3. Dunno, don't use TomTom. I use Telenav. Just a comment on the two. I have a friend who sometimes brings her TT along and I do like the way that the Telenav announces the streets instead of just the turns. Other models of TT may do that but hers doesn't. (Well, I did comment anyhow on all three)

How is your headphone jack?

I want to make sure my unit is not defective. When I plug headphones into the jack, they do not seem snug. They are kind of easy to pull out. They sound fine, but there is a lot of static sometimes. Has anyone noticed that the headphone jack on the S5 seems more loose than previous models? Thanks

got my s5 yesterday and my headphone jack is very sturdy I cant wiggle it even a little with stock headphones plugged in , have to use quite a buit of force to unplug it to , rogers here G900W

I know this is obvious but have you tried a different set of headphones? Mine sit in loosely until the last 2-3mm and then need very positive pressure to push in the last 2mm. Once in they are very tight and do not move at all, they do not come out loosely either. If yours do it on more than one set of headphone I would say it's faulty

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I want to make sure my unit is not defective. When I plug headphones into the jack, they do not seem snug. They are kind of easy to pull out. They sound fine, but there is a lot of static sometimes. Has anyone noticed that the headphone jack on the S5 seems more loose than previous models? Thanks
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Sounds like you aren't plugging your headphones in all the way. There's a definite click when they're in all the way, the static you hear is because the headphones plug is moving around.
Hope this helps.

Like the other guy said make sure you plug it in all the way. The click at the end is the clue.

vanButton said:
Sounds like you aren't plugging your headphones in all the way. There's a definite click when they're in all the way, the static you hear is because the headphones plug is moving around.
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Like the other guy said make sure you plug it in all the way. The click at the end is the clue.
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I was pushing it down all the way. I took my phone to Samsung and they tried other S5's and it was fine. Mine was defective. Mine was extremely loose. I'm glad I acted now, instead of waiting when it might be too late.

Yeah gotta go for that final clic
Sent with Galaxy S5 SM-900W8 Rooted LB

Loose fitting-replacement alternative?
Hey guys, I'm hoping someone here can help me with this problem. A few months back I tried to clean the headphone Jack on my s5 with a q-tip and one part of the inside gold piece bent outward, so I had to pry it back in with a paper clip so I'd be able to fit headphones in without the arm (or whatever piece it is) obstructing. Now, unless coincidental, my shure se215 headphones are fitting so loose that I can shake the phone hard enough to make the headphones fall out. And yes, I'm firmly pressing on to make sure it's all the way in and I've tried with a few different headphones. I really don't want to replace the headphone Jack and was hoping there was some way to maybe change the case and try to permanently fix a headphone extension onto the case to eliminate this problem. Any ideas or suggestions?!

from your description, it's a fair bet that one of the connectors is bent out of shape. The earphone socket is a sealed unit and therefore unrepairable. The only option is to replace the entire assembly.
As for your idea to permanently fix the earphones to the device.....not really practical unless it's your intention to turn a working phone into a media player....
Too much functionality is lost by having the earphones plugged in all the time.....
http://i.imgur.com/rVnFwJM.jpg

I had this problem since I got my S5 over a year ago, I've even sent it off for repair and they found nothing wrong (a load of rubbish) I compare to my friends S5 which is a later batch and his is snug and no static. I believe the issue is the contacts inside are not tight so they are only lightly touching the headphone jack. I managed to completely fix the static issue however by getting a cotton bud and thinning the cotton tip down a little so it fits inside the slot, then dip or spray the tip with Isopropyl alcohol, jam it in the hole as far as it goes and twist it around hard ( you might need to bend the cotton bud in order to twist it as it will be tight. I do this once every few months and it completely prevents the static issue from happening.

I can't stress highly enough that this is not a suitable repair method.
Speaking as someone who is more than familiar with electronics and components and circuitry, it is my informed opinion that this method has the potential to further damage the socket......The fact that so far in your case, this damage hasn't occurred is simply down to luck.
In that socket, there are 4 precision sprung contacts that do not react well to violent cleaning methods. 'Jamming' a cotton wool bud in the socket as far as it will go and twisting it around will (at some point) bend these contacts totally out of shape which will make the socket totally useless.....
Please don't do it, you WILL end up having to replace the socket.....
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I must be really lucky. My headphone jack is working just fine; I have been using it for over a year now.

seenee_ said:
I must be really lucky. My headphone jack is working just fine; I have been using it for over a year now.
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Nah....lol.....
You're one of the majority of unaffected owners though......
It's just a shame that Samsung (along with every other OEM) seems to be unable to get rid of these faults entirely....
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That's the solution
vanButton said:
Sounds like you aren't plugging your headphones in all the way. There's a definite click when they're in all the way, the static you hear is because the headphones plug is moving around.
Hope this helps.
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The headphone jack looked like it was plugged all the way in, but it wasn't. I gave it a little extra pressure and I could definitely feel a click when it was inserted properly. Thank you.

Not enough praise for Le Max 2 CDLA ear phone

I just feel not enough praise for CDLA earphone from LeTV.
The pro:-
a) very fast
b) high fidelity
c) every music is alive
d) it is lighted
Con:-
Non actually.
The sound is salivating for person like me who own Sennheiser HD580, Phillips Fidelio X1, Audio Technica ATH50.

kkcheong said:
I just feel not enough praise for CDLA earphone from LeTV.
The pro:-
a) very fast
b) high fidelity
c) every music is alive
d) it is lighted
Con:-
Non actually.
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I own them, too, and feel they stand up quite well to some studio grade headphones I also own, Sony MDR 7506's...

Bill_G said:
I own them, too, and feel they stand up quite well to some studio grade headphones I also own, Sony MDR 7506's...
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Yeah, really really good. I am shocked actually.

I loved the sound quality, just a shame that they were so flimsy and weak, and that they were even worse for falling out of my ears than iPhone ones.

kanagawaben said:
I loved the sound quality, just a shame that they were so flimsy and weak, and that they were even worse for falling out of my ears than iPhone ones.
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That's the only issue I have with them too.

kanagawaben said:
I loved the sound quality, just a shame that they were so flimsy and weak, and that they were even worse for falling out of my ears than iPhone ones.
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Unless you move around too much, I don't think they fall out too much. It's surprisingly comfortable.
Maybe you use it for sport and you kinda harsh towards it.

kkcheong said:
Unless you move around too much, I don't think they fall out too much. It's surprisingly comfortable.
Maybe you use it for sport and you kinda harsh towards it.
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LOL me, sports... nah. I didn't treat them badly at all. Didn't even use them that much. Think the falling out thing just depends on the size and shape of your ear holes. They didn't suit my ears I guess, and they are just hard, smooth plastic with no rubber part for an added friction seal so unless they are a good fit they fall out. The cables are just plain thin, and weak at both ends (near the buds and near the usb jack).
Think LeEco's quality is (was, RIP zombieco LeEco) hit and miss for sure. My first headphone adapter suffered cable failure too, but the second one I got has been fine. My USB charging brick died, but the USB C Cable that came with it is still perfect.

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LOL me, sports... nah. I didn't treat them badly at all. Didn't even use them that much. Think the falling out thing just depends on the size and shape of your ear holes. They didn't suit my ears I guess, and they are just hard, smooth plastic with no rubber part for an added friction seal so unless they are a good fit they fall out. The cables are just plain thin, and weak at both ends (near the buds and near the usb jack).
Think LeEco's quality is (was, RIP zombieco LeEco) hit and miss for sure. My first headphone adapter suffered cable failure too, but the second one I got has been fine. My USB charging brick died, but the USB C Cable that came with it is still perfect.
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You're right. I guess there's no QC.
My cable is dead also.
For the headphone, if there rubber, probably it will hurt. I guess my ear hole is smaller. Lol