Hi,
I just received my new car which is delivered with a bluetooth connection which can be paired only with phones compatible with the Bluetooth Remote SIM access profil (RSAP).
It seems all the Nokia phones have that, of course the Wizard (m3000-qtek 9100) is not
Is there any way to change that or do you know if an updtate will change that?
Thanks for your help!
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My MDA has it with the latest UK ROM if thats any help ?
Terran
PS Whats the car ?
This is a volkswagen passat and i have the 2.17.7.106 running on my Qtek 9100.
which rom did u used
didd the problem solved and if yes i would like to know which rom did u used.
The car is a volkswgen passat. The same system is used on vw, audi and it seems that bmw joigned them.
I finally sold my qtek and went to nokia...
I've been looking around these forums for a while now trying to find a solution to the Orange/rSAP issue, and have finally found a solution...
I've basically just combined the instructions from various posts about various things to make this work, so i'll include all the info i found and try to credit people where necessary - apologies in advance if i've forgotten any, but i looked through so many threads and pages it was unbelievable!
Anyway, this is basically a step by step for getting your Orange SPV M3100 (and probably any Hermes/TyTn variance that has had remote SIM access removed by the provider) to work with a rSAP enabled accessory (the VW Passatt Bluetooth Premium kit in my case).
First, you need to change the TyTn's bluetooth identity to be a phone, or the rSAP accessory will not recognise it (funnily enough, bluetooth rSAP car kits don't look for pocket PCs). Here's how:
Download PHM RegEdit - it is important to use this exact program as due to Orange's stupid application locking it is the only registry editor i have found that can be installed.
Next, edit the following value:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\SY S]
"COD"=dword:52020C (hex)
Bear in mind the new dword is a Hex value, so be sure to select "Hexadecimal" from the Base menu.
For reference (in case something messes up), heres the original value (the Pocket PC identifier):
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\SY S]
"COD"=dword:1048852 (decimal)
Next, soft reset. For some reason i had to restart, change the value again (as it had reset itself), backup the registry and soft reset again for the change to take effect. God knows why, couldnt be arsed to figure it out.
Once this is done, you need to unlock and mount the phone's ROM. The easiest way i've found to do this is using the Fit4Cat Hermes Tweaker. The download will most likely require a forum signup, but its free so what the hey...
Use the hermes tweaker to unlock and mount the ROM, save and restart.
When the TyTn has restarted, if its worked you will see an Extended ROM volume in file explorer.
These files need to go in there helmi_c's SAP Test cab (you will need to unRAR first).
This was taken from the following thread: Helmi BA WM2k5 AKU3.2 Beta (v.1.3 Beta)
Cheers for that, helmi! You are a genius
After that, restart. If you do NOT have a new application in your Programs directory called SAPSettings, go into your Extended ROM and install helmi's btsap_test.cab file manually, then restart.
You should now have SAPSettings working fully:- just go into the app, click the enable button and away you go!
I hope this works for everyone, its worked on the 3 M3100s and the O2 XDA Exec ive tried it on so far with no problems so hopfully all is good.
Please post up your results here - itd be good to know the outcome
Cheers,
-JD-
Thank you
At last - I too am trawlling through these forums trying to put together a SAP package for the M3100.
Just one thing for the amateur here - how do you "unRAR" a file???
Thank you
p.s. I dont suppose you know if this will work on aC600 too??? I'll try it when I get a moment..
Better get a CIngular ROM and u hv built in SAP app
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Better get a CIngular ROM and u hv built in SAP app
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That may be, but not if your pocket pc is company owned.
I should think that a lot of people wanting rSAP will have businessmobiles and probably business phone contracts too. Installing non-orange ROMs on an orange business contract pocket pc is NOT a good idea...hence this way around.
Theres always a reason
p4uly said:
At last - I too am trawlling through these forums trying to put together a SAP package for the M3100.
Just one thing for the amateur here - how do you "unRAR" a file???
Thank you
p.s. I dont suppose you know if this will work on aC600 too??? I'll try it when I get a moment..
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To unRAR....get a copy of winRAR to unarchive the package
and i should thing the aC600 would work too as long as its on a WM5 Orange ROM.
Cheers,
-JD-
Same Problem with my VPA3 compact III and FWD Audio com
Hi all,
i´ve the same problem.
My CarKit "FWD audio com" won´t connect via SAP with my HERM200 Vodafone 1606 VPA 3 compact III. It always connect via 4 Char Code for talking. SAP Code (16 Char´s) won´t ask and so i´m not able to use the SAP-functions
I tried like the instruction from above.
At first I had the unrar-Problem with "helmi_c´s SAP Test cab".
Everytime you save it to disk, it´s not able to unpack.
If you don´t save it to disk and if you installed WINRAR, just
OPEN it und unpack it via WINRAR to HD ! Now it works.
Back to my Handy and the instruction
I was able to install everything, but if I start Install of "helmi_c´s SAP Test cab" in the Extended ROM there will be a message, that I don´t have rights to install !
I don´t know if the instruction will fix my problem nether the File is for my Fone, but I´ll try.
Does anybody can help me and answer why my phone won´t install "helmi_c´s SAP Test cab" ?
Can Cingular, which I don´t understand, help me ?
Fone: HERM200 Vodafone 1605 VPA compact III
Fone-ROM: 1.20.162.3
Car Kit: fwd audio com
I have a T-Mobile Vario II, and am looking into buying the Sony-Ericsson HCB-700 carcit. I have SAP settings in my programs, will it work ??
Scholle2 said:
Hi all,
i´ve the same problem.
My CarKit "FWD audio com" won´t connect via SAP with my HERM200 Vodafone 1606 VPA 3 compact III. It always connect via 4 Char Code for talking. SAP Code (16 Char´s) won´t ask and so i´m not able to use the SAP-functions
I tried like the instruction from above.
At first I had the unrar-Problem with "helmi_c´s SAP Test cab".
Everytime you save it to disk, it´s not able to unpack.
If you don´t save it to disk and if you installed WINRAR, just
OPEN it und unpack it via WINRAR to HD ! Now it works.
Back to my Handy and the instruction
I was able to install everything, but if I start Install of "helmi_c´s SAP Test cab" in the Extended ROM there will be a message, that I don´t have rights to install !
I don´t know if the instruction will fix my problem nether the File is for my Fone, but I´ll try.
Does anybody can help me and answer why my phone won´t install "helmi_c´s SAP Test cab" ?
Can Cingular, which I don´t understand, help me ?
Fone: HERM200 Vodafone 1605 VPA compact III
Fone-ROM: 1.20.162.3
Car Kit: fwd audio com
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Did you install the Fit4Cat tweaker? Have a play with the options in it - from what i can remember, theres an some options about being able to install non-signed apps and rights.
If that doesn't work ill have a look for you.
Churchill said:
I have a T-Mobile Vario II, and am looking into buying the Sony-Ericsson HCB-700 carcit. I have SAP settings in my programs, will it work ??
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Depends entirely upon whether the HCB-700 uses rSAP or HFP (hands free profile) to connect to your vario....
If it uses rSAP then chances are it will work, but without having used your exact kit i can't say for definite i'm afraid.
-JD-
Thanx for the info
OK - I have tried to load the fit4cat tweaker to the c600 - it doesnt work - neither does my regedit software - so it requires more cunning.
With the M3100 I could not load the PHMRegedit - instead i used Vidya which seems to have worked.
The car kit I am trying to pair with is a mercedes MHI - it has worked with my Nokia 6230i up until now.
The regedit doesnt have a HEX function but converting 52 02 0C into DEC I get 5374476 - however looking at the original post it could be 5202C - which means 335916.
I have tried 335916 - and at first the car kit sees it - dials the long number in-order to pair with the phone - but then dies. after a few attempts the car kit stops to see the phone.
I have asked some colleagues to try this with their Bluetooth Passats - I will report back on this later.
Also I will now go and try 5374476.
With helmis test CAB - I only got on cab file after un-rar'ing it. is that OK? also is it the latest version of the file?
Thanks
p4uly said:
OK - I have tried to load the fit4cat tweaker to the c600 - it doesnt work - neither does my regedit software - so it requires more cunning.
With the M3100 I could not load the PHMRegedit - instead i used Vidya which seems to have worked.
The car kit I am trying to pair with is a mercedes MHI - it has worked with my Nokia 6230i up until now.
The regedit doesnt have a HEX function but converting 52 02 0C into DEC I get 5374476 - however looking at the original post it could be 5202C - which means 335916.
I have tried 335916 - and at first the car kit sees it - dials the long number in-order to pair with the phone - but then dies. after a few attempts the car kit stops to see the phone.
I have asked some colleagues to try this with their Bluetooth Passats - I will report back on this later.
Also I will now go and try 5374476.
With helmis test CAB - I only got on cab file after un-rar'ing it. is that OK? also is it the latest version of the file?
Thanks
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The reason you wont be able to get PHMRegedit and Fit4Cat to work is the fact that you're on a c600 rather than an M3100....
Anyway...the dec you're looking for is (as you stated you were going to test) 5374476 so that one should work...
What you need to do now is have a forum search for unlocking the Extended ROM on the c600 and the follow the instructions from there.
You should get a .cab file and a folder from the unRAR...
Yes this is the latest version of the file and works fine
-JD-
Testing
Right - have tried with both DEC values for the bluetooth and they both seem to work. Good so far.
Further Good News - It works with the Passat Car Kit - excellent
However when it comes to pairing with the Mercedes device (essentially a bluetooth dongle that plugs into where the phone cradle normally goes) the phone does not respond to the Car Kit when it dials the pairing number.
So I guess I'll post this on Helmis thread and see if there are any more tweaks...
where can you get a cingullar ROM from? has it been tried on a Hermes 100?
any luck
did you have any luck finding out how to pair with the mercedes bluetooth dongle. I can get Comand to see the device but it does not pair.
Mercedes Car Kit Not Working
Sorry - the Mercedes MHI (European variant) does not want to pair!!
I have tried my phone - with the tweaks in a VW passatt Bluetooth car - and it works.
I have tried my phone with a BMW I drive - and it is fine.
It also works with the Audi Bluetooth and a Nokia and Parrott Bluetooth kit.
So Mercedes have done something very odd with their kit....
And whats more infuriating is that there seems to be no way of asking mercedes techncial questions without the answer "that phone is not shown as compatible in the list".
Currently I am using the phone in speaker phone mode and have a pay as you go sim in the car kit for outgoing calls.
Apparently the U.S. Version of the MHI dongle is different - but I have not found anyone out there who has tried this threads update on a U.S module.
Oh well - here's hoping Orange release a ROM update tht comes out to update the phone in the future.
thanks for your reply
Doing the same with my T-Mobile phone and using a pay as you go sim in the car.
Really annoying.
I can't get it to work with the new Audi system. Have an Audi Allroad manufactured 10/06 with the new PT4 telephone system and a HTC Tytn.
Pairing it with the handsfree profile works and I can make calls and access the contacts in the Tytn.
Pairing it with the SAP profile also works but I do not get any network and can´t access the contacts in the Tytn. Tried changing [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\SYS]
"COD"=dword:52020C (hex) but I get the same results. Have not tried the other tweak since I already have "SAP Settings" under programs.
Any ideas about what to do?
UPDATE: Tried manual network selection from the car and was very surprised when my network "Vodafone Sweden" showed up as available and some other networks as not available. When I choose "Vodafone Sweden" it tries to connect and then says "Network error". Could it be a problem with SAP and Vodafone Sweden? Will try my wifes sim when she comes home.
please has anyone found a solution to pairing with a Mercedes device?
Sorry
Sorry - No..
Although your phone says it has SAP already the file atached on the first page of this thread is an upgrade to the Bluetooth Stack - so please try with the file (you can always remove it if it doesnt work).
Hopefully that should then work.
Are there any particular functions you want to use via SAP that you cannot do with Headset Profile??
When I tried another sim (Telia) it worked! Talked to Telenor/vodafone and they said I should ask the car or telephone manufacturer what type of sim I should have, Telenor/vodafone has several different sims.
I want to use SAP to get use of the outside antenna for better reception an no "radiation" (don´t know the word) inside the car. I also want to use the separate bluetooth handset that can´t be used when using handsfree profile.
Do you think the other bluetooth stack can help me get the contacts in the Audi phone?
Update: tried to install BTSAP_Test.cab manually but it says that installation failed since it doesn´t have enough authority in the system. Have mounted and unlocked extended rom with Fit4cat Hermes Tweaker and soft boot but it doesn´t work.
Hi,
I've a SE K610i and a magician.
As I am using my K610i for 3G service, I was trying to pair it with my magician. Apparently, i can paired both of the device. However, when I'm trying to initiate the dialing from my magician, it doesn't seems to connect to the phone to dial it. Basically I would like to use my PDA to surf with 3G speed (pairing with the mobile phone) and make normal calls with my magician. Would that be possible?
Is there any guide on how to do it? and also, is it because the standard magician bluetooth software does not support it?
Thanks & Regards,
i also have the similar problem when i want to connect my o2 mini to my K810i for internet connection. My O2 mini does not connect to the mobile phone via bluetooth. Connect by Infrared is working fine. Transferring files via bluetooth is working fine too.
My setting did not have any problem because it working fine with my treo 750.
Anyone can help me?
Are there really nobody in o2 mini anymore? OK, for the one that still with the mini. I have found the problem. When pairing O2mini bluetooth with any other phone which you want it to act as a data modem, just click 'NO' when u being ask 'will you want to add a serial port". You should able to dail after this.
If you replace the microsoft bluetooth stack with the Blue Soleil one (available on these forums) you get a hell of a lot more functionality with the bluetooth, it also adds the PAN facility. I have successfully connected my magician to my K800i and my C905 and both will suft the net perfectly well. You can do the same with the broadcom bluetooth stack on your home pc.
Hi my friends, I have problems to connect my Tytn with my Mercedes Benz bluetooth UHI interface system.
Have you notice about this bug ? I have installed Jetware test build but the problem is the same.
Thank you for your courtesy
A friend of mine had the same problem, seems you need upgrade to WM6 to fix the connection with your Benz.
Bye
I have WM6 but the problem is the same. Do you know if your friend has operated other operation ?
I have just purchased a TyTN II which won't connect with the Mercedes SAP car kit. It gets as far as finding the device but when the car kit tries to send the pairing code it fails.
Go to http://www.benzworld.org/forums/audio-telematics-forum/ and/or look on the site for your specific vehicle group such as W163 or whatever yours is.
Mercedes - Tytn integration
So it looks like one of the few options is by sending virtural cards to the mercedes thing...
Problem is that you need to do this one by one... any way to automate this? a script or something?
I would be happy already if i could synchronize, copy all my contacts to the mercedes memory every now and then...
I have an unlocked 16-key HTC Touch Dual plus a Mercedes 2007 S Class with a Bluetooth SAP profile puck in. They do not want to talk to eachother.
The Bluetooth SAP puck pairs fine with my Nokia 8800 and works wonderfully (except I don't want to use the 8800). On the HTC it discovers the phone, then displays a number I should enter. What is meant to happen is (on the rather odd mercedes UI) I then select call. With the 8800 this then brings up a bluetooth incoming pairing request on the phone, I enter the passcode, and it all works. With the HTC, the Mercedes immediately wipes the number of the screen and says "bad number".
I have got SAP Proile on (i.e. turned Remote SIM Access on within SAP settings), and obviously have the device's bluetooth both on and discoverable (or it wouldn't have been able to ascertain the Device ID). Any ideas?
Has anyone paired any WM6 device with the Mercedes Bluetooth SAP unit? (same unit in lots of cars, I'm using the European model which is apparently different from the US model).
My phone reports WM 6 Professional
CE OS 5.2.1622 (Build 18128.0.4.4)
ROM version: 1.31.405.09
ROM date: 10/31/07
Radio version: 1.58.16.27
Protocol version: 25.61.30.03H
Any ideas?
any luck?
hi, i was wondering if you had any luck connecting to mercedes sap bluetooth set, i have atom exec and trying to connect with no success.
i have applied the recommendation in this link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282544&highlight=rsap
the number shows as you said, and does not disappear, but nothing shows on phone screen, (no request of the number)
i was wondering if any one can help
thank you
We need help !!
fawzis said:
hi, i was wondering if you had any luck connecting to mercedes sap bluetooth set, i have atom exec and trying to connect with no success.
i have applied the recommendation in this link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282544&highlight=rsap
the number shows as you said, and does not disappear, but nothing shows on phone screen, (no request of the number)
i was wondering if any one can help
thank you
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Hi, Any luck at all??.
I'm having the very same issue with a brand new ML and a Touch Pro.
I'm very surprise to see many people struggling with this and still no luck even from this talented group.
Thanks
bluetooth Touch Diamond 2 and Mercedes
I have exactly the same problem: HTC Diamond Touch 2 and Mercedes Benz bluetooth.
In fact the notice of MB gives a PIN of 5 digits and the HTC accepts only 4 digits!!!!
Any idea of what to do?
chrisgar2509 said:
I have exactly the same problem: HTC Diamond Touch 2 and Mercedes Benz bluetooth.
In fact the notice of MB gives a PIN of 5 digits and the HTC accepts only 4 digits!!!!
Any idea of what to do?
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Which bluetooth device are you using : the COMAND built in one or the add-on SAP device connected to the internal BUS?
I had no problem connecting up to the first one, inlcuding outlook contact download but still struggling with the SAP device.
Weird!!
For info my ML is the latest one meaning the COMAND unit is the latest.