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Battery Power on Universal

Sorry, i'm bit new user for Universal, But i think my universal bettery drain faster than last Alpine. I want to ask other user, how often you charge the universal battery?
Thanks in advanced

Depends how you use it.
If im away from home at a weekend and hardly use my device - it might use 25% just being on standby for over 48 hours.
On a daily basis it might be on solidly for 2 hours throughout the day - when i get home battery might be down as much as 50% - thats making calls, texting, listening to music, bit of surfing on net, occasional game of Bejeweled.
Figures quoted by operators are 4hrs talk time, 240hrs standby - these figures mean nothing though.
Who's going to leave their device unused for 240hours to test it!!!
So in answer to your question charging at least once every two days perhaps every day depending on use.
Matt

@ matt1971:
Thanks a lot for reply, I'll figure it out. And test in couple days ahead.

my uni is always on charging as i use it to connect my lappy with that but it dies after 30% of its battery think it is near on its last days .

Hmmm... sthe battery is long enought if on stand by mobe, but if i play with it, it drain fastly. I'll looking for why?
Anyone can help? Or any sugestion?

my suggestion is to refrain from plugging it thru the usb frequently. my battery problems surfaced only after i used wm5torage a lot.... others may say that it wouldnt matter, that poly ion bats should have no memory effect, but i've been bitten twice and i wont take the risk anymore..

Question?
Hi,
Do you use Internet?
Cheers, Leo
matt1971 said:
Depends how you use it.
If im away from home at a weekend and hardly use my device - it might use 25% just being on standby for over 48 hours.
On a daily basis it might be on solidly for 2 hours throughout the day - when i get home battery might be down as much as 50% - thats making calls, texting, listening to music, bit of surfing on net, occasional game of Bejeweled.
Figures quoted by operators are 4hrs talk time, 240hrs standby - these figures mean nothing though.
Who's going to leave their device unused for 240hours to test it!!!
So in answer to your question charging at least once every two days perhaps every day depending on use.
Matt
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Hello everyone,
Just got an XDA Exec yesterday with two batteries. However, the both charge to 85% and don't move forward. They've been on the AC plug for over three hours now. Am I missing a config setting or something?
Thanks in advance!
-Marc

lightstorm66 said:
Hello everyone,
Just got an XDA Exec yesterday with two batteries. However, the both charge to 85% and don't move forward. They've been on the AC plug for over three hours now. Am I missing a config setting or something?
Thanks in advance!
-Marc
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No setting needed to charge the battery until 100%, hardware failure i guess, any warranty for replacement, I mean maybe the unit, coz it happend on your 2 battery

cornelius,
Thanks much. It MAY be that these batteries have never been fully charged; I left them on overnight and although it took A LONG TIME to get over the 85% hump, they eventually got there.

battery charging
you do need to charge the battery first time for a good 16hours - i've gone for a 3200mah Lithium ion instead of the standard 1600mah - got it off ebay for £16 with a new rear cover as its really thick!!! only problem now is the brick won't sit in the car cradle ;-)

Robegee,
Does your unit report battery % correctly, or does it stick at 100% all the time? I've read (haven't tried), that these aftermarket batteries don't report drain properly.
Just curious... I'm thinking about purchasing an extended battery, but want to know. Where did you get yours from?
Thanks.
-Kevin.

Finally - Slim 1500mAh Extended Battery Using Original Cover!

Finally it seems that Seidio has come out with an extended battery that fits without having to replace the back cover.
http://www.seidioonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BASI15HTCX1
It is only 1500mAh which is about 10% more battery power but that might just be enough for some people to make it through one heavy day of use.
Part # BASI15HTCX1
The compatibility tab on the manufactures site says it will work with the Touch Pro / Fuze.

galfert said:
Finally it seems that Seidio has come out with an extended battery that fits without having to replace the back cover.
http://www.seidioonline.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BASI15HTCX1
It is only 1500mAh which is about 10% more battery power but that might just be enough for some people to make it through one heavy day of use.
Part # BASI15HTCX1
The compatibility tab on the manufactures site says it will work with the Touch Pro / Fuze.
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I might have to get me one of those.

Side Note: i just noticed you live in orlando, FL so do I. Do you go to ucf?

Seems like a lot of money for a little more power. I think I'd rather buy 2 extra batteries and a charger for half the price and just keep an extra battery on hand... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2x-Battery-13...286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2|65:15|39:1|240:1318

For what it's worth, I picked up one of these and slapped it in my Fuze last night. I know it'll take a handful of power drains to fully "charge" it up, but will report back when I can.

ribcage said:
Seems like a lot of money for a little more power. I think I'd rather buy 2 extra batteries and a charger for half the price and just keep an extra battery on hand... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2x-Battery-13...286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2|65:15|39:1|240:1318
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I bought something similar to this on ebay. The two batteries I got last a lot shorter than the factory battery. I cycled the batteries 5 times and still the capacity has not increased. I would say I get about 25% shorter battery life with these batteries...they do a good job of making them look authentic...minus they all have the same serial number stamped on them...

ahh i was hoping it had more mah, its not even worth the extra money to purchase this. the things people make, its not even worth it.

Has anyone ordered or used one of these? I'm interested I just want some opinions before I go and spend 44 US dollars on it.

Antzor said:
Has anyone ordered or used one of these? I'm interested I just want some opinions before I go and spend 44 US dollars on it.
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Are you serious? Look up at Beknatok's post

Beknatok said:
For what it's worth, I picked up one of these and slapped it in my Fuze last night. I know it'll take a handful of power drains to fully "charge" it up, but will report back when I can.
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Conditioning a Li-Ion battery is a myth and you only speed up the lifetime of the battery that only lasts about 2-3 years.
When you get your phone, you should plug it in, charge it to full, and have fun with it. None if this "charge, discharge, charge, discharge" is needed.

bfspider said:
Conditioning a Li-Ion battery is a myth and you only speed up the lifetime of the battery that only lasts about 2-3 years.
When you get your phone, you should plug it in, charge it to full, and have fun with it. None if this "charge, discharge, charge, discharge" is needed.
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It's not a myth, sort of.
It takes a few cycles for the sensor to accurately understand the capacity of the battery. This means the battery might be detected as "empty," when there's some left.
After that, you only need to "recalibrate" once in three months or so to stay updated. For everyday use, you are right. It's better to charge whenever possible (but constantly trying to "charge" at 100% is not a good thing, even with the "smart chip" halting the process).

irus said:
Side Note: i just noticed you live in orlando, FL so do I. Do you go to ucf?
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nice to see other ucf knights on here.

So, does anyone have any thoughts on the seidio extended battery? How much longer is it lasting for you all? How much of a difference does it actually make?

As I posted before, I got the battery the other day. Thus far, it seems to extend my capabilities enough to where I only have to charge my Fuze once a day. The exception was Friday when my bus got stuck in traffic, so I watched video for an hour. Previously, I could last about 8 hours before needing to charge.
For what it's worth, I'm a heavy SMS and data user. Don't really talk all that much, but do a lot of SMS, surfing, apps, and other PDA-ish activities with my Fuze. Running the Elite RC2 ROM as well.

Beknatok said:
As I posted before, I got the battery the other day. Thus far, it seems to extend my capabilities enough to where I only have to charge my Fuze once a day. The exception was Friday when my bus got stuck in traffic, so I watched video for an hour. Previously, I could last about 8 hours before needing to charge.
For what it's worth, I'm a heavy SMS and data user. Don't really talk all that much, but do a lot of SMS, surfing, apps, and other PDA-ish activities with my Fuze. Running the Elite RC2 ROM as well.
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So what does that mean. How many hours are you getting now? I understand you were only getting up to 8 hrs before, correct?

lpsi2000 said:
So what does that mean. How many hours are you getting now? I understand you were only getting up to 8 hrs before, correct?
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Went from about 8 hours to about 12-13 hours, unless I do something super-draining like watch video for an extended period of time. Mind you, I've only had the battery in what... 4 days now, so this is still very limited scope.
Today, I was up at 6AM @ 100%... spent about 30 minutes surfing on the train, during my commute in... did some SMS... and just spent the last 90 minutes stuck in a meeting playing Freecell... and am at 57% full.

Beknatok said:
Went from about 8 hours to about 12-13 hours, unless I do something super-draining like watch video for an extended period of time. Mind you, I've only had the battery in what... 4 days now, so this is still very limited scope.
Today, I was up at 6AM @ 100%... spent about 30 minutes surfing on the train, during my commute in... did some SMS... and just spent the last 90 minutes stuck in a meeting playing Freecell... and am at 57% full.
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So in your estimation so far.. is it worth the $44 plus shipping and whatnot?

SkitchBeatz said:
So in your estimation so far.. is it worth the $44 plus shipping and whatnot?
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seems like it is, when i get my pay check am def getting this battery then. remember to keep ur orginal battery ppl for warranty and exchanges

allthatinny said:
seems like it is, when i get my pay check am def getting this battery then. remember to keep ur orginal battery ppl for warranty and exchanges
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and also as a backup! the main reason i might buy this is not to completely replace my original battery, but between the two, you can easily get through a heavy day of usage... now to find a charging dock for the extra battery...

g2tl said:
It's not a myth, sort of.
It takes a few cycles for the sensor to accurately understand the capacity of the battery. This means the battery might be detected as "empty," when there's some left.
After that, you only need to "recalibrate" once in three months or so to stay updated. For everyday use, you are right. It's better to charge whenever possible (but constantly trying to "charge" at 100% is not a good thing, even with the "smart chip" halting the process).
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This might be true for laptop batteries but not necesarily true for phone batts.. the phones monitor the battery's voltage and compute the state of charge based on that.. there is no "smart" guts in phone batteries

Sudden Battery Improvement ...

I thought I'd write this thread simply to see if it can work for others.
I have read throughout this site that it's good to allow your battery to become completely drained, and then recharge via the power adaptor. Some people even suggest to do it 2-3 times.
Yesterday, for the second time since I bought the phone several weeks ago, I decided to allow the battery to become completely drained. I then charged it using ONLY the power adaptor.
Results?
Before, when in standby mode, no radio, wifi off, screen off, I would lose about 1% battery power per hour through the night while sleeping.
This morning I was shocked. My battery was fully recharged just before midnight, and when I woke up at about 9am this morning, I had lost only 2%. Yes, it said 98% charge left.
WOOHOO!
Anyway, I guess it really does help to allow the battery to drain and fully recharge a few times in the beginning.
Peter

I seem to read somewhere that Lithium-ion batteries don't have to be drained to be charged properly. Moreover, it's just okay even if you keep on charging it with the green light on, i.e. reached fully-charged level. Well, I myself just got the HD2 and am pretty satisfied with its battery performance although I haven't really monitored it closely. I just charge it whenever I can.

I recycle my battery about once a month and it really helps.

joshzzz2001 said:
I seem to read somewhere that Lithium-ion batteries don't have to be drained to be charged properly. Moreover, it's just okay even if you keep on charging it with the green light on, i.e. reached fully-charged level. Well, I myself just got the HD2 and am pretty satisfied with its battery performance although I haven't really monitored it closely. I just charge it whenever I can.
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You are right that it's perfectly acceptable to continually charge the HD2. You can't hurt the battery. I'm just saying that I tried this suggestion (from many other threads) and it seemed to improve my battery situation. It may not work for everyone, but at least it's something.
Peter

lude219 said:
I recycle my battery about once a month and it really helps.
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I may try it once a month, too.
Peter

Peter,
This is the way to treat batteries if you want to get the best performance out of them. There are numerous posts on this issue on here but it does not matter how many times it is mentioned, people still don't read.
What you get is a load of comments about how poor the battery life is without them going through the conditioning process that will get the best out of their battery, irrespective of what type of battery it is.
It is always advised that you go through several cycles of full charge and full discharge, preferably when the battery is new, to get best results, and to do this on a regular basis throughout the life of the battery.
Undertake a good deed for the day; spread the word!
WB

wacky.banana said:
Peter,
This is the way to treat batteries if you want to get the best performance out of them. There are numerous posts on this issue on here but it does not matter how many times it is mentioned, people still don't read.
What you get is a load of comments about how poor the battery life is without them going through the conditioning process that will get the best out of their battery, irrespective of what type of battery it is.
It is always advised that you go through several cycles of full charge and full discharge, preferably when the battery is new, to get best results, and to do this on a regular basis throughout the life of the battery.
Undertake a good deed for the day; spread the word!
WB
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You're right. I've read so many different opinions on this matter, including a lot of research on the Internet. There really does not seem to be any consensus on the matter.
One thing's for sure, I will continue to cycle through full charge and full discharge on a regular basis, perhaps once a month. In the meantime, I'll just top it off every day.
Thanks.

PeterHTC said:
You're right. I've read so many different opinions on this matter, including a lot of research on the Internet. There really does not seem to be any consensus on the matter.
One thing's for sure, I will continue to cycle through full charge and full discharge on a regular basis, perhaps once a month. In the meantime, I'll just top it off every day.
Thanks.
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There is a more fundamental point to all this.
Its not the charging and discharging that makes the difference.
Its the working of the battery under load that allows the barry to achieve maximum capacity.
And constantly discharging/draining the battery will have a negative effect over time, shortening life span and usability.
Just charge and use as much as you can.

joshzzz2001 said:
I seem to read somewhere that Lithium-ion batteries don't have to be drained to be charged properly. Moreover, it's just okay even if you keep on charging it with the green light on, i.e. reached fully-charged level. Well, I myself just got the HD2 and am pretty satisfied with its battery performance although I haven't really monitored it closely. I just charge it whenever I can.
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Strange that all previous phones I had I charged the same way - drain then charge for 12hrs first three times, and then drain / charge as I go - and battery always lasted satisfactorily to me ... I know it is a li-ion battery but for me it works every time and I am sticking to it until they invent better longer lasting batteries

What happens when you Recycle them tho Do you not have to buy another one as I see there not cheap.

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What happens when you Recycle them tho Do you not have to buy another one as I see there not cheap.
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I think he/she means re-cycle as in a charge/discharge cycle

I recently bought a HD2 and was reading very differing advice concerning teaching maximum battery capacity.
-do not let the battery go fully dry, it might harm it (source: wikipedia)
-cycle the battery, drain and fully charge a few times.
-charge as often and much as you can, the battery has no no memory, top it off as you like.
So,,,
I take it now, that the battery likes being used hard, especially when new.
Drain to 7% or so, recharge, drain till 7% or so, a few times.
So do not try to find energy saving mods in the beginning, but work it hard.
I noticed I get a huge battery drain increase when I set the screen backlight to 100 instead of 40. and what a nice display it is
So I figure thats nice way to get to know the HD2, to use it hard and bright, until the battery is 'conditioned' and I know what programs I love the extra brightness in.
I have not been able to drain the battery in a day of expected use yet, always had 23% left or so, which is almost a 4th..
Oh and sorry for off topic, but are any of you guys interested in the ebook reading capabilities on the device at all?
I use a free ebook reader called 'freda' on 'night mode' with black background and red letters, and due to the screen size it is so easy to use the HD2 as an ebook.
I snug into bed and read like 50 pages of an ebook and maybe drift off and the device will auto goto sleep too, if I go first.
It's great.

X10 battery drain solved - by buying a new battery

So I always assumed the battery drain was a hardware or software issue, especially as my X10 would often shut down on 40% power and refuse to stay turned on unless the battery were taken out for 5 minutes.
Rather than buy a new phone I thought I'd try a new battery (I have had the phone since August 2010) - just £3 from ebay, and since then my battery life has been astounding - I'm quite a heavy user, but would almost run out after 8-9 hours despite keeping everything off and only switching on 3g and wifi when necessary. Now I can leave wifi and 3g on all day, leave the phone at medium brightness setting and still have 40% after a 15 hour day of medium-heavy usage.
I used to get idle drain of 1% every 10-15 mins as well (unless the phone was rebooted), but that seems to have disappeared as well.
So before you give up on it, do try a new battery, especially if you've had yours over a year. If there's no effect, you've lost £3 and still have a spare on hand.

Hello friend,could you please post the link where did you buy?

You think people on here throw their phone away because of battery drain,and it doesnt cross their minds to buy a new battery.....instead of buying a new phone.
I just hope your £3 battery doesnt damage your phone........or explode when youve got the phone in your pocket.......or during a call

talon1579 said:
So I always assumed the battery drain was a hardware or software issue, especially as my X10 would often shut down on 40% power and refuse to stay turned on unless the battery were taken out for 5 minutes.
Rather than buy a new phone I thought I'd try a new battery (I have had the phone since August 2010) - just £3 from ebay, and since then my battery life has been astounding - I'm quite a heavy user, but would almost run out after 8-9 hours despite keeping everything off and only switching on 3g and wifi when necessary. Now I can leave wifi and 3g on all day, leave the phone at medium brightness setting and still have 40% after a 15 hour day of medium-heavy usage.
I used to get idle drain of 1% every 10-15 mins as well (unless the phone was rebooted), but that seems to have disappeared as well.
So before you give up on it, do try a new battery, especially if you've had yours over a year. If there's no effect, you've lost £3 and still have a spare on hand.
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Whats the size? i have a 1500mAh and a 2600mAh whats ur cpu settings also? looking for a good setup thanks in advance!
Also amazon link for 2600mAh btw its a big battery, and requires its own case which is rather bulky (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-Ericss...TIMS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331594837&sr=8-1)
This is the 1500 i currently use, still getting the battery sorted with kernels ect
(http://www.amazon.co.uk/KC-Electron...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1331594882&sr=1-1)

I would just like to confirm what OP wrote. Not only did my new battery (I got the 1800mah one from Mugen, $33) solve my battery drain, it also solved my mysterious reboots, lockups, and heat issues. My phone would regularly get up to 48 celcius, it would result in it automatically shutting off the charging. It was a pain in the butt when using GPS on long trips as I would have to have the AC run straight onto the phone just so it would still charge. It was like this from new. With the new battery it has not budged above 29 celcius with GPS navigation, 100% screen, bluetooth, music and sync all running at the same time, I am shocked!
In order to condition the battery I turned off the screen timeout ("No screen off" in the Market) so I could get it to drain to 5%, it lasts twice as long even with the screen on all the time then it did before I got the battery, feels like a new phone.

beware of cheap batteries
beware of counterfeit batteries. Ive read a bit about cheap batteries being inferior knock offs. You tube has several vids about how to tell the difference

I'm about to buy bigger battery for my x10i. Now I have original 1500 mAh. Do you, who already tested thease 2500 mAh bateries see the difference?

Bialynia said:
I would just like to confirm what OP wrote. Not only did my new battery (I got the 1800mah one from Mugen, $33) solve my battery drain, it also solved my mysterious reboots, lockups, and heat issues. My phone would regularly get up to 48 celcius, it would result in it automatically shutting off the charging. It was a pain in the butt when using GPS on long trips as I would have to have the AC run straight onto the phone just so it would still charge. It was like this from new. With the new battery it has not budged above 29 celcius with GPS navigation, 100% screen, bluetooth, music and sync all running at the same time, I am shocked!
In order to condition the battery I turned off the screen timeout ("No screen off" in the Market) so I could get it to drain to 5%, it lasts twice as long even with the screen on all the time then it did before I got the battery, feels like a new phone.
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My phone starting doing the exact same thing... shutting down at around 40% so I order the Mugen 1800mAH battery as well. Should get it in a few weeks... I did see much cheaper batteries available but figured you get what you pay for, and the reviews on the Mugen batteries seem to be good so I spend the extra money for it. Looking forward to the extended battery life!

Battery charging wear

Didn't find a main thread for silly questions such as this so hope it wasn't wrong for me to post this here, but I currently find myself in my phone going as low as 50% on a daily basis and I charge it next day at not lower then 40%, will this wear out the battery? am I really supposed to charge it when it's really low? Thanks.

daLareid said:
Didn't find a main thread for silly questions such as this so hope it wasn't wrong for me to post this here, but I currently find myself in my phone going as low as 50% on a daily basis and I charge it next day at not lower then 40%, will this wear out the battery? am I really supposed to charge it when it's really low? Thanks.
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The latest in Li-ion batteries, as the one in our phones, one duty cycle is when you use 100% of the charge.
That is ifyou go from 100 to 0 that's one cycle.
If you go from 100 to 50, recharge and again 100 to 50, that's one cycle.
Batteries wear out depending on the number of duty cycles. More duty cycles, more wear.
So what you are doing will not wear out the battery.
Also I'm not sure about this, but it is recommended that newer batteries should not be completely discharged.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, anyone else who can confirm.
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Modern batteries are not like older (10 years+) batteries. I'm not about to write a wall of facts here etc. etc, but I only have one thing to tell you:
Use your device, and don't worry about the battery. It'll do just fine until the day you decide to buy a new device. Now stop worrying and just use it.

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Modern batteries are not like older (10 years+) batteries. I'm not about to write a wall of facts here etc. etc, but I only have one thing to tell you:
Use your device, and don't worry about the battery. It'll do just fine until the day you decide to buy a new device. Now stop worrying and just use it.
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Same here, these batteries are tough. I am anal about my phone battery being charged. Haven't had an issue for years and I expect the same performance out of my S7E

Topping up your battery before it is fully discharged is the best way to extend your battery life. Modern batteries run best between 40%-80% charge. Minimize the number of times you fully discharge the battery as that is more likely to wear out the battery, although it is ok to use it until the phone shuts off once in a while.

Very impressed with the battery of the S7E. I charged to 100% last night and didn't charge until just an hr ago and was at 47%. Normal use in the morning til now. In n out of meeting, so its doing its job.
Now back to the topic of this thread, i've read some say these newer batteries should be power cycled at least once a month. Any one recommend that or against it? Haven't done it myself but did it a few times on my iPhone 6 Plus and that thing had an awesome battery even though its actually smaller than the S7E. Thoughts???

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Very impressed with the battery of the S7E. I charged to 100% last night and didn't charge until just an hr ago and was at 47%. Normal use in the morning til now. In n out of meeting, so its doing its job.
Now back to the topic of this thread, i've read some say these newer batteries should be power cycled at least once a month. Any one recommend that or against it? Haven't done it myself but did it a few times on my iPhone 6 Plus and that thing had an awesome battery even though its actually smaller than the S7E. Thoughts???
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I've seen it recommended as often as once per month or as infrequently as once every 3 months. The general consensus is that it can be beneficial in that it can correct any issues that the phone software has in determining the battery's capacity, not that it is actually helping the battery itself.

Yup, I did that once in a while with my previous device (a Sony), and the battery on that one is still very good after nearly three years. I wouldn't do it that often though, but it's useful to do it when you notice the battery meter hangs on the lower numbers (like if 10% hangs for an unusually long time) or you've just flashed a ROM. The OS tends to get a little confused after some time, so it's okay to do it to "calibrate" the system again.

Thanks for the helpful replies guys.

Draining a Lithium battery to zero is one of the worst things you can to an Li battery. Don't do it. Period. Ever.

Yes, don't power cycle a battery. It MAY help give a more accurate battery reading, but it's messing up the longevity.
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