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Best setup for using both a carkit and GPS Nvigation?!

I am soon to buy the Magician in one of it's many forms. However noe thing i have been woundering is how am i am going to achieve the in-car setup i desire. Basically I need both a carkit (conversation through car stereo speakers etc) and i also want to run GPS navigation on the Magician. First of all is this possible? What happens if i am using the GPS and i recieve a call? Also what hardware are people using to achieve this as i assume i can't use both a bluetooth carkit and a bluetooth GPS reciever?! any hlp is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom

Hi Tom,
I've got an iMate Jam & recently installed a Parrot BTluetooth CK3300 GPS Car Kit into my 1999 RAV4. The installation was pretty straight forward for cars with ISO connection, simply put in the mic, GPS ant & control display, plug into the car harness & HiFi & off you go. The GPS part of the kit is simply & effective, I use Tom Tom Navigator 5 & it's pretty faultless, obtaining a fix in seconds. Here's the bad part, the call quality through the kit using the Jam is AWFUL. Making and receiving calls is accompanied by a loud, high pitched warbling sound which eventually subsides, but is replaced by so much interference that the call is unworkable. I know it's not the kit because my wife's SE T68i works flawlessly. Everything else about the setup works perfectly (pairing muting, upgrading via BT etc etc). This a MAJOR problem which I have sent on to Parrot & am waiting for a reply. I understand they are pretty good at customer enquiries and expect them to come back to me pretty soon. I'll post again when I hear something. Despite all the bad press the Jam gets I think it's the best one I've owned so far (I'm on my 5th) and with the right software is excellent, but the choice of car kit is essential, until these problems are ironed out I wouldn't recommend using the PDA with a BT carkit.

Apart from the poor audio, how does it work when you are being navigated by TomTom and you receive a call? Does TomTom stop talking to you? Does the display show who's calling and then go back to tomtom display etc?

Hi there,
I have a MDA compact with now the QTEK 1.12 ROM, I have a bluetooth GPS Fortuna Clip-on and a Mr Handsfree Genius Bluetooth Carkit and I love it.
As soon as I start my car, there is a bluetooth connection to the carkit and the sound quality is excellent. You can make a call without getting the MDA out of your pocket, just push the button. The only issue is voice dialing, but that is a common problem for the MDA.
Also it makes a bluetooth connection to the GPS and Tomtom works fine. The only minus is that Tomtom doesn't use the carkit speaker, but, since the speaker of the MDA is loud enough, that is no issue. There is no supply with this bluetooth carkit, so I bought a 12 --> 5 Volt converter for the MDA.
I really love this combination. The best thing, that happened to me.
Andre

Hi there,
I have a MDA compact with now the QTEK 1.12 ROM, I have a bluetooth GPS Fortuna Clip-on and a Mr Handsfree Genius Bluetooth Carkit and I love it.
As soon as I start my car, there is a bluetooth connection to the carkit and the sound quality is excellent. You can make a call without getting the MDA out of your pocket, just push the button. The only issue is voice dialing, but that is a common problem for the MDA.
Also it makes a bluetooth connection to the GPS and Tomtom works fine. The only minus is that Tomtom doesn't use the carkit speaker, but, since the speaker of the MDA is loud enough, that is no issue. There is no supply with this bluetooth carkit, so I bought a 12 --> 5 Volt converter for the MDA.
I really love this combination. The best thing, that happened to me.
Andre

so it is possible then to have two bluetooth connections running at the same time? ie. i can use a bluetooth GPS reciever such as the one that is supplied with tom tom and also use any bluetooth carkit at the same time? and this will not cause any problems even if i am making a call and have the GPS running?! If so then i will probably just buy the Tom Tom 5 bluetooth kit and get something like a parrot CK3000? would this setup work?
thanks for everyones help,
Tom

It should work. Mine does. See above. Bluetooth GPS uses a serial profile, bluetooth headset uses a headset profile. No problem to use them both at the same time.
Andre

I used my Jam as phone, mp3 player and GPS all at the same time.
1. MP3 thru my car's aux input
2. GPS thru aux input:
hardware: Tomtom BT receiver
Software: Routis 2, TomTom USA 2004 (can open both if U use GPSGate)
3. Phone thru BT headset or aux input
To answer yr question:
Since I can use both BT GPS and BT headset together. I don't think it's a problem for both BT carkit and BT GPS to works.
Phone call always get highest prioity, all other apps (GPS software, mp3 player) will be mute until U finished yr call.
Phone call is not a problem (see above) but dialing is a big trouble since no voice calling built-in. Third partner software like intellidialer and voice commander (from MS or Cyberon) helps a bit

Ive also got my jam working fine incar. I use a socket bluetooth gps unit http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=119717 with tomtom 5 then I have a SE HBH-600 Akono Bluetooth Headset for calls both work together! When I have a incoming call it mutes tomtom and displays the normal caller id app on top, answering the call (via the green hardware button) results in my jam going to the phone app totally and leaving tomtom minimized in the background. As soon as the call ends tomtom jumps back to the foreground, it all works very well in my opinion. Ive also assigned the camera button to switch me back to the today screen so I can launch any app (with tomtom still running in the background) via a icon.

Bluetooth headset and GPS

Hi all,
Just a quick (and probably stupid) question. I have the O2 mini and find the loudspeaker rather poor. When using the GPS it is often hard to hear the instructions. Is it possible to send the audio to a bluetooth headset, or even a bluetooth car kit.
I am new to all this so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Adam

Adam,
if you are connecting the GPS via BT, it is not possible in the first place to connect a second device in parallel. Unfortunately you can have just one BT connection at a time.
Even with a cable connected GPS it won't work, because it is not possible to use the BT handset as a audio device.
So, no, what you are trying to do is most probable not possible. I am doing it like that, that I use a BT GPS receiver and a cable headset if I do not understand the voices correctly. This way, you get the instructions and you can even make a call without using the loudspeaker.
rgds
Marco

Thanks for the advice marco. Much appreciated. Will just have to stick with the cable headset.

Bluetooth and GPS and Headset can work
Have to disagree with Marco99. I use a Navman 4420 Bluetooth GPS unit and an O2 Bluetooth headset with my I-mate PDA2K (1.40 ROM 1.12 Radio). I use Destinator Software (The Navman SmartST is better at finding the optimum route, but it is buggy and always seems to need upgrading to use the latest ROM).
Anyway, I frequently have both devices paired.
Last weekend coming back from SA to Vic I had the Destinator humming along, and a phone call comes in. The phone screen pops up and I answer the phone using the headset button. I minimise the phone screen, and the Destinator screen re-emerges, still tracking nicely along the Glenelg Highway. You lose the Destinator voice prompts during the phone call, but not the GPS signals, nor the visual prompts.
After hanging up, again using the headset button, the Destinator voice prompts start again and away you go.
I have the HQ audio patch and a HP BT Headset. I must try that sometime with the Destinator. However, I do agree that you can't listen to the navigation software through the headset and answer the phone, only one audio connection can be made via Bluetooth.
Now, if they can fix the "Line of Sight only" B/T headset bug...

Can do BT GPS + Headset at the same time
Just to confirm, I have had my Tomtom v5 Bluetooth GPS & my cheap-n-cheerful "Abe" Bluetooth headset working concurrently. Tomtom mutes when the phone receives/makes a call, but otherwise all is working together 100%, you can make & receive phone calls OK.
Can also confirm this works with non-Tomtom BT GPS (Globalsat model).
Joe

Re: Can do BT GPS + Headset at the same time
joe2316 said:
Just to confirm, I have had my Tomtom v5 Bluetooth GPS & my cheap-n-cheerful "Abe" Bluetooth headset working concurrently. Tomtom mutes when the phone receives/makes a call, but otherwise all is working together 100%, you can make & receive phone calls OK.
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Just to ensure:
You didn't get the voice commands out of tomtom in your bluetooth headset, or?
Stefan

Tomtom5 & BT headset
No Stefan, Tomtom displays a "Mute" icon, so no sounds come from it. Only the voice call is transmitted to the headset
Joe

Re: Tomtom5 & BT headset
joe2316 said:
No Stefan, Tomtom displays a "Mute" icon, so no sounds come from it. Only the voice call is transmitted to the headset
Joe
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I can confirm that 100% :roll:

Re: Bluetooth and GPS and Headset can work
Camstech said:
Have to disagree with Marco99.
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I have to agree with camstech! I was not aware that this really is working, did not believe it and just tried it. And it works exactly as described. So, one new thing learned. As the protocol does not explain the behavior, it looks like the (otherwise crappy) bluetooth stack is quite inteligent here, and switches between different devices, so it looks both work in parallel. So, during my next roadtrip I can bring along my BT headset!
Anyway, unfortunately that does not solve your problem, Adam, as it is not possible to redirect the Navigation voice to your bluetooth headset, as long as the device (BT stack) does not support the appropriate BT profile.
regards
marco
EDIT: just checked the wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth. I must have dreamt about the single point connection with BT. Looks like a BT net (called piconet) can contain up to 8 devices, where one is working as master with up to 7 slaves. The details can be found in wikipedia. Maybe there is just connection per profile but I dont know for sure. Maybe there is a bluetooth expert here in the forum that could enlighten us. And possibly maybe, this is way to technical and all of you guys fall asleep during the first pragraph of my posting anyway ...

Atom's Bluetooth Functionalities

I have upgraded my ROM to the latest official one, but still I can't make my ITech's PowBOX bluetooth HeadSet to work as Wireless Stereo. It only works as Hands Free. I tried my HeadSet on Nokia and did works as headset flawlessly. I also cannot activate my voice speed dial via bluetooth on my Atom. The bluetooth button just activate redialling last called number. Is there anything I need to configure to make this work? Please help. Thank you.

Anyone, please?

I use the iTech S35 and STEREO works like a charm with the Atom. I get stereo mp3 and movies. The handsfree works too although the voice dial doesn't cos the long press to activate the voice dial uses the button to turn the iTech on and off so u will end up turning the iTech off.
not heard of the iTech powBOX so dun know how it compares but I assume it should work too.

i think it used to work in older ROM version... could it be the new ROM?

I use Samsung Bluetooth SBH100 as a stereo headset with Atom (latest ROM) - got no problems. Headset's remote control buttons for audio player works too. Short press of Phone button make a redial. 4 sec press should activate voice dail (on 'supported devices'), but make nothing (common problem).

can the SBH100 play radio?

touraco said:
can the SBH100 play radio?
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Don't think so as Atom requires the ear piece to be plugin as antenna...

I am using Bluetake Iphono BT stereo headset on Atom. It can listen to the music and act as handsfree for calls seperately but couldn't do both at the same time, the headset will switch off whenever there is incoming call while playing music, i guess there's some problem on switching btw.
Anyone got the same problem??

can't listen to music but can make calls
Hi,
I'm kind of new here, as I just bought a used atom from that e*** auction site. it works great, except i can't get my bluetooth headset to work as a headphone while listening to podcast, mp3's, etc. using my BT headset to make calls works fine. I have both a Jabra BT130 and BT350 and both have this problem. is it the headset? if so, is there a list somewhere that lists what BT headset is compatible? i really need it to work as I cannot stand using wired headsets since by the time i untangle those wires, I'm out of time already...
thanks a lot!

It's the New Rom..(i think)
Knightro said:
I have upgraded my ROM to the latest official one, but still I can't make my ITech's PowBOX bluetooth HeadSet to work as Wireless Stereo. It only works as Hands Free. I tried my HeadSet on Nokia and did works as headset flawlessly. I also cannot activate my voice speed dial via bluetooth on my Atom. The bluetooth button just activate redialling last called number. Is there anything I need to configure to make this work? Please help. Thank you.
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the problem comes with the new rom i think.. i had a bluetooth headset that worked perfectly before i uograded to the new Roms released by O2 itself.. i emailed them about the problem but they insist that nothing is wrong with the ROMs they made...

Bluetooth headset problem

I just bought a headset for my Atom Exec and I can't work it all out, I want to listen to music from the memory card so I have set the bluetooth to Hands Free, Wireless Stereo and headset, all three are ticked. All is working fine but the only problem I have is when the phone rings you can only here it through the stereo headphones which makes sence but I can see this causing problems if I put the headphones down, I will miss calls as I want hear the phone ringing. Is there a way to make the phone ring also threw the speaker on the phone as well while using the headphones?

Unfortunately I don't think so. If you turn the Stereo Headset profile on all sound is routed to the headset. If someone knows how it would be great.
What you can do instead is set the phone to vibra + ring mode so that if you don't have the headset on, at least the phone will still shake.

hi Seal,
which bluetooth headset did you get? i'm asking because i just got the atom (not exec) and can't get the BT to work as a wireless headset - it only works when making calls.
also, you mentioned 'wireless stereo' checkbox, i don't see this option in the atom but it could be an exec feature.
thanks.

Hi, I bought the Plantronics, I use them every day and love them, it is such a great thing to not have wires hanging around.
http://www.plantronics.com/australia/aus/products/cat5180067/cat5620033/prod29780013

"I has an Atom", and I also have a mono, ordinary Bluetooth headset (Planex BT-03HS).
Seal: try turning off the Wireless Stereo profile, then getting this program called BlueMusic by Teksoft - it has an option you can uncheck that will allow the ringtone to come through its original source instead, while still routing music through your BT.
Yes, the program can do this even in unlimited trial mode - however, it only puts your music back on the BT band after a call in full-mode. I have no idea if this will work on stereo headphones like yours, but it's worth a shot.
Slamming_Sammy: With BlueMusic I can pipe stuff from TCPMP to bluetooth headset - which supports only handsfree - just fine, whilst still not missing a call. BlueMusic emulates the A2DP protocol so your phone doesn't have to. There's actually a free binary out there called BTAudio (which Bluemusic is based on), but its less stable than Bluemusic when it comes to disconnects and receiving calls.
Oh, and by the way, the Atom does support Wireless Stereo (A2DP). However, you can ONLY see it if your bluetooth headset has the profile as well (mine doesn't by the way). AFAIK only stereo headsets have this; even the newest BT2.0 mono headsets don't.

thanks a lot Ultimate. I was just about to try btaudio which by the way, works great, so I won't try bluemusic yet. so you're saying if my BT headphone is A2DP capable then I wouldn't need to run btaudio to route audio to my headset?
thanks.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Bluetooth stereo headsets are expensive, tho, AND the Atom is known to have dodgy A2DP support (except with BT2.0 devices), so you might want to hold out on the purchase.

Possible to send all audio over bluetooth?

I've spent days searching and trying all sorts of tweaks but I can't get anything to work. Can anyone PLEASE help!
I use Tomtom 7 and I've always sent the voice instructions to the bluetooth speaker in my bike helmet (just a handsfree paired item). I've previously done this on HTC devices with BTAudio and a one line registry tweak. Can anyone offer a solution to send all the audio to a bluetooth handsfree on the HD2?
I really hope someone can help, I've got the HD2 setup just right except for this last remaining item.
Many thanks,

i have the same problem...
@noony i think u have already enabled in bt setting the option "manage system audio in handsfree device" if u didnt...try that
for me doesnt work maybe its a headphone problem i see a sort of "fhhh" when any sound is played on phone but still come out from the speeker
another issue... every time i start a call with bt the volume is at the lower level..internal and headphone too! and the last is very strange because with my artemis didnt do

xardus said:
i have the same problem...
@noony i think u have already enabled in bt setting the option "manage system audio in handsfree device" if u didnt...try that
for me doesnt work maybe its a headphone problem i see a sort of "fhhh" when any sound is played on phone but still come out from the speeker
another issue... every time i start a call with bt the volume is at the lower level..internal and headphone too! and the last is very strange because with my artemis didnt do
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Yes I've tried the "manage system audio in handsfree device" option. I can get some background noise on the headsets (I'm trying with a Scala Rider and Motorola 700 & 850) but I never manage to get any sound.
Can anyone please offer a solution? It's a big disappointment for me if this isn't possible. Any suggestions welcome, many thanks.

My Observations
I pared it with my BMW and for the life of me cant ger any audio (music) over bluetooth ( the phone works fine) I then tried it on a $20 bluetooth earpiece I ocassionally use for the phone and guess what I can play music over it fine.
I tried and tried again in the car but could not get it to work.
I think some bluetooth devices will not work. Is there a different specifiaation for bluetooth ir BT1 and BT2 ??
I havent checked into this yet.....

Fadetogrey said:
I pared it with my BMW and for the life of me cant ger any audio (music) over bluetooth ( the phone works fine) I then tried it on a $20 bluetooth earpiece I ocassionally use for the phone and guess what I can play music over it fine.
I tried and tried again in the car but could not get it to work.
I think some bluetooth devices will not work. Is there a different specifiaation for bluetooth ir BT1 and BT2 ??
I havent checked into this yet.....
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It gives me some hope that you've got it to work with one bluetooth device. Can you please let me know exactly what you did to get the $20 bluetooth earpiece to work?
Thanks,

yeah that was my idea but without a stereo bt device i cant try to myself...i ordered to vodafone one with some of my tons of points...3 weeks and no answer!

I had the same issue and on my old phone, the HTC Touch HD, I used the following program to my satisfaction:
BTAudio
On my HTC HD2 however this doesn't seem to work anymore. :-(

it does the same thing of the inbuild bt option on hd2 its just a "quick link" to place on the bar
anyone of u have any problem with bt device volume? before i have an Artemis and 3 different device i used the device volume was every time the one i choose...now every time a new call starts phone volume its right but device volume jump to minimum level and every time i have to press + button like as i'm playing videopoker to dont miss fist seconds of a conversation

Works fine with Jabra 3030, all audio over it, music, system sounds and calls.

Maybe it's only working for bluetooth devices that are setup as stereo. Can anyone please offer a solution here?

I've installed a 6.5 rom (dutty v7 - thank you) on my HD and after a sprite restore (level 2) bluetooth audio divert works fine. Although I notived that the bluetooth options remained the old settings (possibly due to my backup restore) and the divert was done using the BTAudio. Sorry to keep asking but if anyone can shed light on this.
Is it possible to tweak the HD2 so that audio can be sent to any bluetooth headset/handsfree or is there some hardware limitation that stops this from being done?
I've tried every app and tweak that I can think of! Please can anyone help, even iof it's to let me know why this can't be done.
Thanks,

its what we all are trying to do......now i think its only a bt device problem...if it support bt2.1 and a2dp with edr seems to work all good....
i solved in car with headphone in the box...but bluetooth should be much and much better without any cable that always have to remove nodes (its the right word? sorry if not hehe)

I'm connecting to my HD2 using Jabra Stone, an A2DP headset. When I selected the stereo headset profile on the HD2, it redirected all system sounds to the headset: reminders, SMS alert, soundtrack for videos, audio player....except phone ring. I used BT Audio over a non-A2DP headset before with Diamond2, but the ausio is very poor, and the connection drops very often. Since I changed to A2DP headsets, the Diamond2 and HD2 supports it out of the box - no hack needed.
So look for A2DP headsets if you want to redirect audio.

Thank you to everyone that has helped with replies. I've now got my answer. If the bluetooth device supports A2DP then it works! (just won't work with mono etc)
I've now tested my HD2 with over a dozen bluetooth devices ALL A2DP enabled headsets regardless of if they are cheap or expensive!
Thanks again for everyone taking the time to help.

I have an LG HBM-220 bluetooth and cannot put audio to in, only phone calls!
How can i manage to do it?

I blame it on the stupid Widcomm Bluetooth stack... If the HD2 used the better MS stack, BT would play nice with with more of our periphirals and apps
I can't use MSVC properly with BT either....

the solution is to go to the bluetooth settings, select your device and connect the stereo audio connection.

Way back, Microsoft decreed that ONLY the phone app could use a mono BlueTooth headset, although any audio could be redirected to a stereo A2DP headset.
In order to get around this you need to fudge the sytem with something like BTAudio or TekSoft's BlueAudio.
The latter worked on my XDA Orbits (1 and 2) but does not work on my Touch HD with Dutty's R6 ROM (WM 6.5) possibly because BlueAudio requires the Microsoft BlueTooth stack and I suspect Dutty's ROM has the Widcomm stack. But I could be wrong about that.
BTAudio sort of works on my Touch HD, but outgoing audio is speeded up like I've been breathing Helium.
So no current solution to yet another idiotic gotcha from Microsoft.

Noony said:
Thank you to everyone that has helped with replies. I've now got my answer. If the bluetooth device supports A2DP then it works! (just won't work with mono etc)
I've now tested my HD2 with over a dozen bluetooth devices ALL A2DP enabled headsets regardless of if they are cheap or expensive!
Thanks again for everyone taking the time to help.
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Hmmm. When I conect via gprs to youtube aps I can hear the voice in my mono headset (jabra 2020) but via wifi and computer as modem voice is only in phone speaker. So maybe we should look gprs or youtube aps reg tweek.

Guys
i have a nokia HB-100 headset and i'm experiencing all kinds of strange behavours
sometimes system sounds including music ...etc get directed to the headset and some other time it just directs calls no matter how hard i try thru soft resets or unchecking then checking the "play system sounds ..." option!
very strange, any insights about this? is there a tweak to go with or is it a known WM defect?