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Topic might sound a bit puzzling, but I can clear that up. At work my laptop is hooked into the network. I cant use the hermes (8525) as my 3g internet source since then I wouldn't be on the network anymore and would lose my unix and email connectivity.
What would be spectacular, is if I could hook my phone in via activesync or bluetooth and route internet from one webbrowser on my laptop through the phone, hence why I mention proxy.
3g is generally faster than web goes where I work, and they also block alot of sites. Down with the man!
I might also be crazy.
Using the 8525 as a modem for your laptop is easy. Consult page 109 of the PDF user's manual that is located on the installation CDROM.
You can also download the manual here:
http://www.8525software.com/
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Topic might sound a bit puzzling, but I can clear that up. At work my laptop is hooked into the network. I cant use the hermes (8525) as my 3g internet source since then I wouldn't be on the network anymore and would lose my unix and email connectivity.
What would be spectacular, is if I could hook my phone in via activesync or bluetooth and route internet from one webbrowser on my laptop through the phone, hence why I mention proxy.
3g is generally faster than web goes where I work, and they also block alot of sites. Down with the man!
I might also be crazy.
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lol yeah you tell em, im in the same boat.
Dang, sorry it took me a while to get back to this. You are certainly correct that using the phone as a modem IS easy, but that is not exactly what I am trying to do.
Scenario:
If I plug my network jack into my laptop, I'm connected to my network and I'm connected to the internet via my internal network.
If at the same time I connect my 8525 via Internet Sharing on the phone, I'm still connected to my internal network and the internal via my internal network.
If I disconnect my network jack from my laptop, I am no longer connected to my internal network.
My internet is now being routed through my 8525 phone, as expected.
What I would like to accomplish:
Network jack plugged in and access to my internal network.
8525 connected via Bluetooth to laptop to browse with IE/Firefox.
Using the phones built in internet sharing is so much simpler than going the Wireless modem route in the manual. Is that the only way to be able to accomplish this? What I have been unable to figure out is how to tell Firefox/IE to use my bluetooth connection as the primary if available.
Thanks!
All you'd need to do is modify the routing info to point the right traffic at the right interface..
How you'd go about changing that in Windows I have no idea.. Linux I reckon I could figure out but windows youll have to google... its definitly possible though.. shouldnt be too hard.
I had the same idea, but after some Google-ing i understood that it wasn't possible with a WM5 phone.
The only thing i could comeup with is a proxy tool on the phone where you could point your browser to, but unfortunatly the only one that exists only handles GET requests... so it's pretty useless for now...
I have tried all sorts of crazy ideas, even changing the metrics on my NIC port on my laptop. All was a bust.
I found some posts about the proxy server that only does GET as well. I guess I'm stuck with slow work internet.
It surely must be possible because it has nothing to do with the phone really.. the change that needs to be made is with windows routing..
Maybe try having a search for using windows with 2 network interface cards and apply the same sort of technique.. ignore the fact one is a phone as there will be more guides with standard nics and the theory should be the same..
If i get a chance ill have a go on a windows box tonight and see if I can come up with anything.
I was searching for things like "winxp two nic routing" and things like that. Found tons of relevant posts and information, but no solutions. With linux it looked like you could tell it to route things on certain ports to a different NIC.
If you can run a SSH server at home, you can open a tunnel between your work PC and home. Then use that tunnel as a proxy for pretty much everything.
However, if your work blocks the internet all together, you can use your phone's internet the very same way.
Here is a guide I wrote to bypass the HTTP proxy from on the GPRS side.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314757
I also wrote this guide to do the very same thing, but from your phone (so you can check emails from your phone, and use windows live )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316890
In the second guide, second post, I explain how to setup a SSH server on a windows XP machine.
I told you it'd be complicated
this sounds a bit crazy but i use VMware on my work pc.
i have a 2nd windows os running under vmware that i share my usb connection(bluetooth or cable) from the host pc with to connect my htc tytn to the internet using pan..
this way their network is safe from me and my information stays on my virtual OS with my own credential not there domains. then i can do as i please.
I figured out that using my Imagio as a WiFi Router drains the battery faster than it can charge. This is bad for a sometimes day-long connection using low bandwidth sites (live blogging for hours on CoverItLive.com).
Typically, I use the Imagio when WiFi isn't available, or is flat out ridiculously priced ($thousands in some convention centers).
I have to work with my partner, who also needs a connection, and sharing it would be oh so convenient using WiFi. So I thought, why not share my Imagio's connection by using Internet Connection Sharing on my computer through the WiFi. Not so fast: all ICS uses a fixed IP of 192.168.0.1. Conflict city when you try to use ICS twice in the same daisy chain.
"So", says I, "why not use Network Bridging to accomplish the same thing?". Well, this works in getting the signal to my partner's machine. She can internet beautifully. But, it turns out, my machine can't access the Internet anymore so long as the Imagio's ICS is bridged to the machine's built in WiFi. Take it out of the bridge, it works on my machine but not my partner's. Put it in the bridge, it doesn't on my machine, but it does on my partner's.
Anyone have any insight as to how this can be accomplished. Imagio ICS via USB to computer A, computer A's Wifi set in ad-hoc mode to be used as a router to get Internet to computer B, both machines being able to access the Internet.
Also, USB-Modem works with ICS on the laptop, but it uses dial-up, and the problem with that is that if you stop using it for a certain period of time, it loses the connection, which can screw up things royally. ICS is much more consistent.
There has to be a way that bridging can be used without taking the Imagio's ICS out of that computer's universe.
None of this would be a problem if she got a WM phone instead of the LG Touch (which requires a hefty monthly plan to use it as a modem).
Thanks to any who know more about this than me or have some other ideas.
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You can configure ICS on the phone to use a different IP range (probably also possible on the PC but don't know how).
So then you can use Phone->ICS->USB->ComputerA->ICS->Wi-Fi->ComputerB
WMWifiRouter uses 192.168.3.x instead of .0.x by default. I think this can also be configured using ICS Control.
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I figured out that using my Imagio as a WiFi Router drains the battery faster than it can charge. This is bad for a sometimes day-long connection using low bandwidth sites (live blogging for hours on CoverItLive.com).
Typically, I use the Imagio when WiFi isn't available, or is flat out ridiculously priced ($thousands in some convention centers).
I have to work with my partner, who also needs a connection, and sharing it would be oh so convenient using WiFi. So I thought, why not share my Imagio's connection by using Internet Connection Sharing on my computer through the WiFi. Not so fast: all ICS uses a fixed IP of 192.168.0.1. Conflict city when you try to use ICS twice in the same daisy chain.
"So", says I, "why not use Network Bridging to accomplish the same thing?". Well, this works in getting the signal to my partner's machine. She can internet beautifully. But, it turns out, my machine can't access the Internet anymore so long as the Imagio's ICS is bridged to the machine's built in WiFi. Take it out of the bridge, it works on my machine but not my partner's. Put it in the bridge, it doesn't on my machine, but it does on my partner's.
Anyone have any insight as to how this can be accomplished. Imagio ICS via USB to computer A, computer A's Wifi set in ad-hoc mode to be used as a router to get Internet to computer B, both machines being able to access the Internet.
Also, USB-Modem works with ICS on the laptop, but it uses dial-up, and the problem with that is that if you stop using it for a certain period of time, it loses the connection, which can screw up things royally. ICS is much more consistent.
There has to be a way that bridging can be used without taking the Imagio's ICS out of that computer's universe.
None of this would be a problem if she got a WM phone instead of the LG Touch (which requires a hefty monthly plan to use it as a modem).
Thanks to any who know more about this than me or have some other ideas.
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I use WM WiFirouter, it is a great program with multiple different configurations. I use it at home on an old IPAQ hooked to my PC as a wireless router so my kids can use the internet on their laptops.
WM WiFi Router was my first choice. Note the point I made that the battery drains faster than it can recharge. This becomes something of a problem after an hour or so.
Sadly, I got the connection sharing option to work now on the laptop using ICS control, but it seems to disconnect the WiFi ad-hoc network. And doesn't actually share through the WiFi. I suspect this is a problem with the way the WiFi on the laptop works, since I had the same problem with Network Bridging, and had to run a Dos script to enable the WiFi. It only works when bridging is being used, so I have to find the equivalent for when bridging isn't being used but ICS is.
I don't suppose anyone knows anything about *that*?
EDIT: I just downloaded the latest version of WMWifiRouter, which has USB connection support and seems to be a whole lot more reliable in general. AND IT WORKS with connection sharing, the laptop WiFi works as a router, and it DOES solve my problems. Thanks for the suggestion that made me reconsider it again.
EDIT +1: Still uses up the battery faster than it charges. Not as fast as WiFi though. WMWifiRouter is a pretty amazing connection sharing tool kit with USB, BT and WiFi connectivity and lots of control without the weird IP address pathologies. Amazing that it also gets around my laptop's weird connection sharing WiFi pathology as well. Another nice thing is the "keep connection alive" ping feature, and the real time power status and information. They really try to pack a lot of useful stuff for your $20.
Hello, I need some experienced developer confirmation on a few things.
Is it possible to code an app that will allow a device (Android or iOS) to create a hotspot and link several other devices with each other, allowing files to be transferred with each other WITHOUT tethering the host device's data network? Just a simple router with no internet I suppose.
Adhoc won't work because most mobile devices will have issues connecting to an adhoc network.
If possible, I would like for the code to allow the hotspot to not only connect the devices via WiFi but not kill the mobile data connection when each device connects to the WiFi hotspot. Essentially connecting to the hotspot and data network at the same time; the connections working simultaneously but completely separate from each other.
In a perfect world I would like to get this coded cross-platform: ie Android/iOS and maybe even Windows/Mac.
A tough question I know, but thanks for any responses. My primary concern would be Android, because it seems like it would be more suitable to make this happen, and I actually own one.
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Hello, I need some experienced developer confirmation on a few things.
Is it possible to code an app that will allow a device (Android or iOS) to create a hotspot and link several other devices with each other, allowing files to be transferred with each other WITHOUT tethering the host device's data network? Just a simple router with no internet I suppose.
Adhoc won't work because most mobile devices will have issues connecting to an adhoc network.
If possible, I would like for the code to allow the hotspot to not only connect the devices via WiFi but not kill the mobile data connection when each device connects to the WiFi hotspot. Essentially connecting to the hotspot and data network at the same time; the connections working simultaneously but completely separate from each other.
In a perfect world I would like to get this coded cross-platform: ie Android/iOS and maybe even Windows/Mac.
A tough question I know, but thanks for any responses. My primary concern would be Android, because it seems like it would be more suitable to make this happen, and I actually own one.
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Maybe disable data and try a hotspot app? If you have a wired and wireless connection on a computer, turn it into a hotspot, using apps like Connectify (on Windows).
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Maybe disable data and try a hotspot app? If you have a wired and wireless connection on a computer, turn it into a hotspot, using apps like Connectify (on Windows).
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Thanks, I've already actually been able to accomplish that with one of the many WiFi tether apps. I am actually wanting to know if it's possible that I can code a version of that, that doesn't require root, works on most phones, creates a hotspot (doesn't just use the stock one), and doesn't use data. I suppose I could deal with it disabling data. As long as it never ever deals with data while the app is on, because I would prefer to not deal with carrier issues.
Alternatively I wouldn't mind using Bluetooth as long as I can connect the host device to more than one client devices, where the host device acts as a server. Can Android connect several devices via bluetooth?
Syn Ack said:
Thanks, I've already actually been able to accomplish that with one of the many WiFi tether apps. I am actually wanting to know if it's possible that I can code a version of that, that doesn't require root, works on most phones, creates a hotspot (doesn't just use the stock one), and doesn't use data. I suppose I could deal with it disabling data. As long as it never ever deals with data while the app is on, because I would prefer to not deal with carrier issues.
Alternatively I wouldn't mind using Bluetooth as long as I can connect the host device to more than one client devices, where the host device acts as a server. Can Android connect several devices via bluetooth?
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I don't think you can do multiple Bluetooth. Honestly you'd be better trying to do it from a computer/router.
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I don't think you can do multiple Bluetooth. Honestly you'd be better trying to do it from a computer/router.
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That's the thing, we're trying to do this for our app with no extra devices. No worries I'll keep brainstorming.
You might want to check out an app called JoikuShare (sorry, can't post links yet).
tl;dr: When my phone (Sony Xperia Z5 compact, Android 6) connects to a wifi with no internet, I want to use the local network on the wifi but use the internet from my mobile data. Instead what happens mobile data doesn't switch back on while connected to wifi with no internet.
I have been trying to find a solution for this since forever. My camera creates a local wifi connection which I can connect to to view the camera as well as controlling it. The downside is that while connected to this network my cellular data gets switched off, despite this wifi network not having any internet. So while using my camera I have no way to access the internet. It wasn't a huge problem up until recently when the app I use is introducing livestreaming. I really want to use it but I am unable to find any way how to keep my phone connected to this wifi network (and being able to use it), while any internet data goes over 4G. I am using android 6.0.1. I am quite sure I was able to do this on my previous phone with an older Android version but I cannot find said option (smart network switch or something?) anymore in the wifi settings. Nor any recent similar topics with people with the same question? Anyone that knows more about this?
My phone is rooted. If I need to do any system changes I can do that.
I didnt get what you were trying saying.Do you know that you cant use mobile data and wifi simultaneously unless your device is rooted.If your phone is rooted then try using "download booster"
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I didnt get what you were trying saying.Do you know that you cant use mobile data and wifi simultaneously unless your device is rooted.
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Err, sorry, lol. I have wifi network that has no internet, just a local network. I'd like to be connected to that wifi network AND be able to use internet over my mobile data both at the same time. As it is right now, my mobile data gets disabled even when the wifi network has no internet access.
I have talked to two friends of mine about it and both say this is already possible in Android. One friend sent me a screenshot of an option he has in his wifi settings called 'Switch to mobile data' which gets enabled when the wifi network has no internet. My other friend said he doesn't have this option but claims it has been a default feature of Android since lollipop. He tested it on his phone and indeed it works as expected. Both have an unrooted phone with stock Android. So now there is me with my brand new phone and Android 6 and I can't find this option nor does it seem to do what I want by default. I'm confused.
As I mentioned, my phone is rooted so if there is a way to turn this feature on using root, I can totally do that if someone knows how.
As i said try using "Download Booster" It allows you to use wifi and mobile data at the same time just google it.
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As i said try using "Download Booster" It allows you to use wifi and mobile data at the same time just google it.
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That appears to be just a download manager if I am correct? I don't need to download anything. I just want to be able to use my existing apps to use my mobile internet when I am connected to wifi (that has no internet).
This is the exactly the thing I'm after. Screenshot from my friend's phone (LG G4 with Android 6.0): (*link removed). My other friend who also has this functionality working has a Nexus 5 with Android 6.0.1.
* Forum doesn't let me post screenshots.. But basically in his wifi settings he has an option called "Switch to mobile data". The box says "Internet unavailable via connected Wi-Fi. Stay connected to Wi-Fi, but use mobile data. Data charges may apply."
Again, I have Sony Xperia Z5 compact with Android 6.0.1 and I can't find this. Have I bought the wrong phone or is it fixable? At this point I am more than happy to even take a custom rom route.
You cannot use wifi and internet at the same time as they are completely different hardware components, using different air waves, so there's no conflicts between them. Better use internet through your wifi or use bluetooth tethering.As for the "switch to mobile data option" it disconnectes you from your wifi if it has no internet and connects you to your mobile data so it doesnt lets you use your wifi and mobile data at the same time
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You cannot use wifi and internet at the same time as they are completely different hardware components, using different air waves, so there's no conflicts between them. Better use internet through your wifi or use bluetooth tethering.As for the "switch to mobile data option" it disconnectes you from your wifi if it has no internet and connects you to your mobile data so it doesnt lets you use your wifi and mobile data at the same time
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It actually clearly mentions that it keeps connected to the wifi. He tested it and indeed he could use the local network on the wifi side and use the internet through his mobile data simultaneously. Both friends haven't rooted their phones or anything. This is just a default functionality for them. I have now tested it also on my older phones (Oneplus One and HTC One M8) and all phones can't have both connections open at the same time.
This wifi network is created by my camera by the way and I can't change much about it. The DJI drone I control does the same thing. When I am connected to the camera or drone I lose my mobile internet connection.
I don't have any other device that has access to internet here. We don't have cabled internet, only mobile internet.
Interestingly, in the developers options there is an option called "Mobile data always active" ("Always keep mobile data active, even when Wi-Fi is active"). I've tried it many times, rebooted my phone but this doesn't actually do anything. Even with this option on when wifi is connected the mobile data gets turned off.
This is beyond annoying!
I too have struggled to find a solution to this problem. I do not have a WAN connection to my home network. It is LAN only. I have four PC's, three Sonos speakers, two hdhomerun TV tuners, and various hand held devices that all use the LAN. All I want to do is be able to use my Moto X Pure to control Sonos and file sync to my LAN via wifi and simultaneously use mobile data for WAN stuff. I know the mobile connection is active with wifi enabled because I can see it when running if config, up route show etc... I am trying to learn about the routing tables to see if I can fix this myself. I love my android devices and am loyal, but this is beyond dumb! Any suggestions????
How to fix for android
okay so for anyone who doesnt know still go into the about phone option in your phone settings, then click on kernel version, build model, etc til one pops up with a flash notification saying click so many more times and youll become a dev. once you done that go into the developer menu and scroll too wifi assist or force mobile data upon wifi connection. exit out , open your app , bobs your uncle
Thank you for the answer.
I tried with my Huawei but it doesn't work. Could you tell with which phone you made it work ? Thank you !!
Ok here we go, after 12 years this my first post.
Above suggestions related with developer options nothing to do with OPs requirement. Those option only allows the device rapidly switch to mobile data when the WiFi signal gets weak. Since you always close to your DSLR camera it solves nothing because WiFi signal is always strong.
Root cause of the problem is you can not have 2 default gateways (i.e. router address) for your networks in any operating system (Actually you can but you have to set static routes, which is a pain in the ass for regular users)
iOS handles this in a very simple way. Set your wifi connection to static IP address instead of DHCP and leave your default gateway or router address blank. Viola you can have 3G/LTE data while you connected your camera and now you can sent your downloaded pictures via Whatapp while you still connected to your camera via WiFi. (In my case Panasonic Lumix)
I stumbled upon this thread via Google since I needed the same thing now with Android. But iOS way failed. Actually I am shocked that you cannot leave WiFi Gateway address blank in Androdid 8.0! Save button grays out if you leave it blank. This is really weird. At least with Galaxy S8 Duos with Android 8.0
So anybody know how to setup a WiFi network without a default gateway, please share.
Is this phone specific or something? Never had that happen, I have no problem with wifi being on without internet and using cell data.
I don't think the UI really exposes anything like it directly but you can technically have multiple gateways; it's not something your average user will understand (policy routing)..
Having said that, if you're attached to an AP you should at least see a /24 route out your wireless interface (standard dhcp lease). It's quite common for the AP to have client isolation but are you sure you're not using something like Wifi Direct or even adhoc?
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I have been through this experience long ago. All I did was to sell the phone and bought a new one.
My SM-T500 won't let me connect to my smartphone with bluetooth tethering if Wifi is on.
I have a Wifi device with no internet that I need to connect my tablet to.
To have internet on the tablet I need to establish a connection via bluetooth with my smartphone but the tablet says "To use Bluetooth tethering, turn off Wi-Fi on this device."
Does anyone know how to overcome this limitation that Samsung has imposed.
I can't understand why Samsung creates these restrictions.
seems to me you having problems with your imei, and maybe also corrupt your imei this could probitly come from the flashing process...i have this problem by myself if i find some solution i will let you know and you please too if you find a solution
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My SM-T500 won't let me connect to my smartphone with bluetooth tethering if Wifi is on.
I have a Wifi device with no internet that I need to connect my tablet to.
To have internet on the tablet I need to establish a connection via bluetooth with my smartphone but the tablet says "To use Bluetooth tethering, turn off Wi-Fi on this device."
Does anyone know how to overcome this limitation that Samsung has imposed.
I can't understand why Samsung creates these restrictions.
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Why not connect both your tablet and the other device to the smartphones wifi hotspot?
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Why not connect both your tablet and the other device to the smartphones wifi hotspot?
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Thanks for replying.
I will try to elaborate better.
On my boat I have a wireless fishfinder that communicates with an android device through a hotspot that the fishfinder itself creates. This hotspot does not have internet because it only serves to send the data to the android device. In my case the SM-T500.
On the SM-T500 I also use some marine navigation apps that work offline but with less functions than if they were connected to the internet. Without internet I don't have some real-time data.
Of course I could use the smartphone instead of the SM-T500 but it's much harder to read a nautical chart on a 6" device than on a 10" tablet. Even worse if the sea is rough.
I just can't understand why Samsung blocks such simple functions unnecessarily.
I guess it's live and learn and run away from Samsung when buying another device.
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Thanks for replying.
I will try to elaborate better.
On my boat I have a wireless fishfinder that communicates with an android device through a hotspot that the fishfinder itself creates. This hotspot does not have internet because it only serves to send the data to the android device. In my case the SM-T500.
On the SM-T500 I also use some marine navigation apps that work offline but with less functions than if they were connected to the internet. Without internet I don't have some real-time data.
Of course I could use the smartphone instead of the SM-T500 but it's much harder to read a nautical chart on a 6" device than on a 10" tablet. Even worse if the sea is rough.
I just can't understand why Samsung blocks such simple functions unnecessarily.
I guess it's live and learn and run away from Samsung when buying another device.
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Samsung doesn't block it, Android does. It's just a function of how it works. It doesn't support two wireless connections at once. Blame the fishfinder for choosing such a weird way to connect. You could always switch back and forth between the two hotspots.
If I were you, I'd just buy a cheap tablet like a used Amazon Fire HD to connect to the fishfinder. It doesn't take a fancy device to perform that simple task.
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Samsung doesn't block it, Android does. It's just a function of how it works. It doesn't support two wireless connections at once. Blame the fishfinder for choosing such a weird way to connect. You could always switch back and forth between the two hotspots.
If I were you, I'd just buy a cheap tablet like a used Amazon Fire HD to connect to the fishfinder. It doesn't take a fancy device to perform that simple task.
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i would say the same thing if you ask me......
lewmur said:
Samsung doesn't block it, Android does. It's just a function of how it works. It doesn't support two wireless connections at once. Blame the fishfinder for choosing such a weird way to connect. You could always switch back and forth between the two hotspots.
If I were you, I'd just buy a cheap tablet like a used Amazon Fire HD to connect to the fishfinder. It doesn't take a fancy device to perform that simple task.
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You are right. I just chose this fishfinder because I have two small boats and it allows me to switch between them and not have to walk around with lots of wires behind.
I blamed Samsung because my Xiaomi smartphone doesn't have this function blocked and is on the same android version as the SM-T500.
I don't know about the Amazon tablet. I currently use several marine navigation aid applications on my SM-T500 and sometimes I notice that it can barely get the job done. And the SM-T500 was one of the cheapest tablets I've found with GPS.
Either way, I'm already resigned. I do exactly as you said and I switch between the fishfinder hotspot and the one on my smartphone to get internet.
It's not perfect but it does the trick.