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Quadrant results very inconsistent, going very lower

Hey guys, just want to check it out what is going wrong with my HD2. From the start, using mattc 1.5 wit zImage 384mb ram was able to hit at least a 1350 easily. Yesterday I switched the zImage to the fullram settings with the graphical fix, i had a quadrant of about 1392. However, since today morning, my quadrant hit super low of 900+, and now I keep getting values about 1000+. How come?

LittleMerc said:
Hey guys, just want to check it out what is going wrong with my HD2. From the start, using mattc 1.5 wit zImage 384mb ram was able to hit at least a 1350 easily. Yesterday I switched the zImage to the fullram settings with the graphical fix, i had a quadrant of about 1392. However, since today morning, my quadrant hit super low of 900+, and now I keep getting values about 1000+. How come?
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it cold be any of these things:
if youre using set cpu it may have enabled a profile with lower cpu speed
you could have something running in the background hogging up recousces
you may have just brought youre phone out of sleep so the cpu may not have scaled up completely yet
or it could be something that has nothing to do with any of these, ust throwing some ideas out there

what he^^^ said.
try disabling profiles, and setting 'main' governor to 'performance, in setcpu
this should illiminate low-speed setcpu profiles and prevent the need to run multiple tests to 'rev-up' the cpu.
if you still get low scores you can illiminate setcpu from the equation at look at background apps etc.
(re-enable profiles etc after testing)
LittleMerc said:
Hey guys, just want to check it out what is going wrong with my HD2. From the start, using mattc 1.5 wit zImage 384mb ram was able to hit at least a 1350 easily. Yesterday I switched the zImage to the fullram settings with the graphical fix, i had a quadrant of about 1392. However, since today morning, my quadrant hit super low of 900+, and now I keep getting values about 1000+. How come?
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WOO HOO! Yea, u guyz rock... After disabling the profiles and enable performance in setcpu, i scored 1436! But somehow its weird, cause before this I used to run the quadrant without disabling those settings...
* I just set it to performance mode, I noticed my device heat up very fast... 43.1 C...

LittleMerc said:
WOO HOO! Yea, u guyz rock... After disabling the profiles and enable performance in setcpu, i scored 1436! But somehow its weird, cause before this I used to run the quadrant without disabling those settings...
* I just set it to performance mode, I noticed my device heat up very fast... 43.1 C...
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Yeah probably best not to leave it on performance (constant 998Mhz) all the time.
Although Last night I ran quadrant on 'performance' for half an hour and topped out at 39 C
plus it seemed as if battery life was as good if not better than with 'on demand' setting.
Is it possible that the throttling and switching speeds actually uses more power than leaving a constant speed???
might be something to test long term but while keeping an eye on temperatures.
As for why you got low scores today:
JJbdoggg must have been correct when he said the profiles could be the cause (evidenced by the result you just got).
Now the question is... which profile was activated to give you the low scores? is your battery level below your set threshold?

[Q] Real world noticeable benefits of Over clocking G2?

Hey,
So I'm on the fence about perma rooting and over clocking my G2, but i have a few questions:
1) Will my battery life suffer greatly due to over clocking say to 1Ghz or 1.4Ghz?
2) Are there any real world noticeable real world performance gains besides benchmark scores?
3) Will perma-Rooting it decrease performance? (Back when i had the mytouch 3g, the phone never felt as snappy after i rooted and installed custom roms, as compared to stock).
Thanks

1) battery life is the same if not better when overclocked with setcpu in ondemand mode at 245/1100mhz
2) there is a definite performance increase
3) custom roms can decrease performance depending on the rom and ui (sense is a bit heavy). Just simply rooting will not decrease performance. Also, CM6.1 is super snappy, especially using Launcher42
DO IT!
Sent from my T-Mobile G2

thedarkpassenger said:
1) battery life is the same if not better when overclocked with setcpu in ondemand mode at 245/1100mhz
2) there is a definite performance increase
3) custom roms can decrease performance depending on the rom and ui (sense is a bit heavy). Just simply rooting will not decrease performance. Also, CM6.1 is super snappy, especially using Launcher42
DO IT!
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Launcher42? that's a heck lot of upgrade from Launcher2 I'd like to check it out
but he's right overclocking is not going to eat up your battery much. Heavy graphic ROMs do however suck up battery and performance. I personally like to stick to rooted stock roms and tune up here and there to fit my personal needs.
You should however read carefully and make sure to understand every steps you're doing if you want to root your phone.

androidtoy09 said:
Launcher42? that's a heck lot of upgrade from Launcher2 I'd like to check it out
but he's right overclocking is not going to eat up your battery much. Heavy graphic ROMs do however suck up battery and performance. I personally like to stick to rooted stock roms and tune up here and there to fit my personal needs.
You should however read carefully and make sure to understand every steps you're doing if you want to root your phone.
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thedarkpassenger said:
1) battery life is the same if not better when overclocked with setcpu in ondemand mode at 245/1100mhz
2) there is a definite performance increase
3) custom roms can decrease performance depending on the rom and ui (sense is a bit heavy). Just simply rooting will not decrease performance. Also, CM6.1 is super snappy, especially using Launcher42
DO IT!
Sent from my T-Mobile G2
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Alright I'm going to give it a shot later tonight probably, i forgot about the SETCPU profiles where you can have the phone under clocked while the screen is off. That should definitely give me better battery life. Ill be back to post results

kcm117 said:
Alright I'm going to give it a shot later tonight probably, i forgot about the SETCPU profiles where you can have the phone under clocked while the screen is off. That should definitely give me better battery life. Ill be back to post results
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Good luck and I'm sure you will enjoy your G2.
Oh, and don't forget to show it off to your friends. Let them see how this thing "Fly"

I oc to 1.4+ with setcpu and a few profiles set up i get much better bat life then stock. Im also running a sense rom which feels sluggish until you oc. At 1.4 it runs smooth as can be with live wallpapers plus all the pretty sense animations. The only problem i have is i hate the sense dialer and msg system also i want to change the "personalise" tab....do people really change theyre settings everyday that they need a dedicated button for it? Anyway i digress
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Excuse me, since when does increasing the clockspeed of your CPU INCREASE battery life?!

convolution said:
Excuse me, since when does increasing the clockspeed of your CPU INCREASE battery life?!
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No, that's not entirely true BUT with SetCPU you can profile it with different mode which can benefit the battery life.

kcm117 said:
Hey,
So I'm on the fence about perma rooting and over clocking my G2, but i have a few questions:
1) Will my battery life suffer greatly due to over clocking say to 1Ghz or 1.4Ghz?
2) Are there any real world noticeable real world performance gains besides benchmark scores?
3) Will perma-Rooting it decrease performance? (Back when i had the mytouch 3g, the phone never felt as snappy after i rooted and installed custom roms, as compared to stock).
Thanks
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I don't notice any difference in battery and I have the 1.9ghz kernel. I normally keep it at 1ghz though. I enjoy it overclocked. My games run incredibly smooth, when navigating my phone it literally almost feels like it knows what i'm pressing a split second before i do and benchmarks rape the face off anyone else I know with an android phone. It's just sooo smooth. It really boils down to being the kind of person who likes to hold a powerhouse of a phone in the palm of their hand. (Literally) with even just the 1.4ghz OC you'll never have to ask yourself "can my phone run this without being sluggish?" because the answer is yes, it can probably even run two or three instances of whatever made you question yourself in the first place without being sluggish. Any if you're worried about custom roms from the past, just remember how outdated your old android is compared to this one. No offense because I can relate, I used to have a G1 that is now a hand-me-down to my brother and whenever he asks me to mod something on it, I'm just amazed at how slow it is and really don't know how I tolerated it for the last 2 years. I mean I'd score a 150 quadrant on the G1 (on a good day) but with my full OC on, the G2 scores 3000~3100. That's roughly 20 times faster...
Bottom line is that you won't need to worry about "will this make my device sluggish?" for quite some time.

Hey
Alright guys i got the phone perma rooted now, but i havent installed an OC kernel yet, two questions.
-Which kernal should i install if i want 1.4Ghz? there seems to be two threads with 1.4ghz kernels
-Do i need to install Bacon Bits for the kernel?

kcm117 said:
Alright guys i got the phone perma rooted now, but i havent installed an OC kernel yet, two questions.
-Which kernal should i install if i want 1.4Ghz? there seems to be two threads with 1.4ghz kernels
-Do i need to install Bacon Bits for the kernel?
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just install cm6.1 and setCPU and you will be fine, then you can tweak it up to 1.42 if you like or whatever you want it at

Any heat related issues? Let's say I get into a zone and play some graphics intensive game 6 hours straight on USB power at 1.4Ghz? Wouldn't that put out more heat then the G2 was design to handle possibly shortening its life span?

convolution said:
Excuse me, since when does increasing the clockspeed of your CPU INCREASE battery life?!
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It doesn't. However, overclocking is misnomer. What we really mean is over and UNDER clocking. For example with SetCPU is can create a profile that greatly slows down my CPU when the screen is off. This saves the battery a lot, since my screen is nearly always off.
Also, I can create profiles that slow down the CPU as the battery lowers in order to offset the fact that I overclock the CPU when the battery is fuller.

manvstech said:
Wouldn't that put out more heat then the G2 was design to handle possibly shortening its life span?
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Probably could shorten the life span. I keep phones for a year or two, though, and shortened life span for me isn't an issue. The phone becomes outdated before the CPU gives up.

cparekh said:
It doesn't. However, overclocking is misnomer. What we really mean is over and UNDER clocking. For example with SetCPU is can create a profile that greatly slows down my CPU when the screen is off. This saves the battery a lot, since my screen is nearly always off.
Also, I can create profiles that slow down the CPU as the battery lowers in order to offset the fact that I overclock the CPU when the battery is fuller.
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^This.
I've gone a full 10 hours with my battery still reporting 100%.
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my default sense rom does not feel sluggish at all.
this oc is not really required from my point of view. and it also does not increase battery. the thing what increased is the underclocking when screen is off.
and this you can do even without overclocking. and THEN it brings even more gain.

an example of "real world" for me is how well my g2 plays PSX games on the emulator. I have it overclocked at 1.5 on setcpu and it runs chrono cross pretty much flawlessly with no noticeable slow down.

i use setcpu for underclocking since i don't do enough just yet to overclock, i haven't noticed any battery increase just yet and i've been using it for a few days now. i almost questioned my self if i was losing battery life due to my system mhz always fluctuating? is this a possibility? i just added a profile for screen off 245/245 but i still had to choose on demand? what should i put there. thanks for ur help everyone

I installed the bacon bits 1.4ghz kernel and setup some setcpu profiles.....battery life is much better now.
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screen off profile doesn't work with G2
noone has any proof it does change anything.
with or without widget running

How high can I overclock

I can set it as high as 1646. IV looked around and it seems that people use 1504. Is it unsafe to go any higher?
Thanks
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1400 is safest I run Alexandra iii

if you go up to 1.6 GHZ, you might get SHUTDOWNS...
if you don't run any games, or apps, sure it will work. But not smart to overload it.
If on Custm ROM, Read DEV Notes, usually they'll say (or mention about Kernel changing)
as a rule I keep it on 1.5 Ghz (when 1.6 was max) (have tested on about 8-10 diff roms) (never have had any shutdowns yet)
*** also maybe use a meter app to check TEMPS (like battery TEMP)
Cool Tool - shows battery temp, RAM, Proc Freq, + more in little box on screen all the time (adjust settings)
https://market.android.com/details?id=ds.cpuoverlay
"setCPU for Root users" - underclock to lowest when off, set lower cpu freq if battery gets warmed to ur custom Degrees)
http://www.setcpu.com/
***Some custom ROM's have thier own Freq CONTROLER app (that could clash with prog or have 2 progs do the same thing)

Like humans NO TWO CPU's are equal
All of the above it true with one exception..NOT every cpu is created equal Not all ram chips and so on also live up to this..
Start over clocking your cpu slowly. as you push clocks higher of course lower voltage. This keeps heat down .
Two processors even made on the same casting can be totally different . Where one will take more heat with less errors and corruption and the die next to it will almost crash running its designed clock speeds . Being that extreme is very rare with a few exceptions. most are close as to a common ability. within a few 100 mhz.
So the answer is there is NO TRUE Answer. its trial and error but on the side of caution and testing clock speeds and heat is not a 30 second yes it runs. Do it over a week or so. I know with my dragon cup in cell phone its at its end of life from being over clocked for a few years. some last longer some die quicker.. Its kinda like drinking on your brain the more you drink the more cells you kill.. The hotter your cpu gets the more transistors fail the slower it becomes the more errors you have .
Relax .. go slow.do not expect to get what everyone else is claiming. and you will be fine..
Sorry again for long winded post..

dr mcknight said:
I can set it as high as 1646. IV looked around and it seems that people use 1504. Is it unsafe to go any higher?
Thanks
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Any is unsafe. Higher speed equals heat and heat kills semiconductors. Might work for a while but why risk it

My daughters has been running at 1.6GHz for 2.5 months without any crashing or blowing up.

I say at 1.6, you're starting to enter the "red zone", sort of asking for problems. Why go up that high? I mean, 1.5 shows enough performance improvement over the 1GHz...

Is Super Performance Phone Really Important ?

As we can see in many forums, people like to overclock their phone to increase It's performance although overclock can increase battery live and may broke their phone. I think the increased performance can only be felt through benchmark software. The effect on the apps is almost negligible specially on high end phone (like our Note). Why do you overclock your phone and use overclock on daily usage (I understand if the reason of overclocking phone is for satisfaction) ?

Never saw the slightest reason to overclock my phone.

Emulators and because I cannot resist getting extra performance. My captivate was a beast OCed.
Some people don't get it others do...like everything in life. Some don't get how we can live with a phone this big but we do...
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On GB (LC2) I overclocked to 1.6gHz and it made everything run smoother (screen transitions, opening and closing apps etc.
On ICS I haven't felt the need to OC. It runs super smooth and fast as it is.
But maybe I'll get bored some time in the future and do it just for something to do...

I'm on stock GB LC1 CF rooted and I OC to 1.55.
Differences when I open apps. They open faster. And not that huge battery life drain because cpu stays at 1.55 a little time and for me the faster app opening matters
*only 2% at 1.55 (not even 1h from 40) - with CpuSpy
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Its not bout whether its "important" or not... Its more like, If you can...then why not!? I did overclock my sgnote till 1.6ghz at 1.7 it would reboot.

Its like gettin more for less
Just as Overclock with your desktop, some take a step further by changing heatsink, better ventilation, water cooling, etc.

Exactly, its just free power and if you are not dumb, you are not going to kill anything. This is not the dark ages of overclocking and those fears people seem to still carry from those times.
Take for example on GB running 1.6Ghz Nenamark2 scores me about 34fps or so..Damn close to my record with the Captivate which is 33.5! Then I ran 400Mhz on the GPU and boom..53fps...that is some kick ass gains there. While I will probably run 300Mhz mostly, if I find a game that needs the extra performance, I know I have it there so why not use it.

This is not the dark ages of overclocking and those fears people seem to still carry from those times.
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Very true.
On my desktop I have an Intel i5 2500k (original 3300 MHz) OC to 4500 for daily use and when needed 5 GHz.
From 1 year and a half the CPU runs like this and never had any stability issue. And my PC kinda stays on A LOT.
So yes, we don't live in the dark ages of overclocking. Why people STILL HAVE FEAR OF OC!?
These days OC is very easy. Most of the times you can't broke a device / component from OC, because the "drivers" of some microcontrollers from your motherboard won't let you (a lot of protection these days )

Indeed. Plus if you are too afraid then dont push higher voltage, just OC with stock voltage as much as your CPU can do.

1704 OC, 6308 Quadrant Score :)

Guys, check out the new kernel here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1870259
It is written for the N8000 but I have run it on my 8013 without issues. The prior version of this caused flaky wifi but so far the newer version has been stable for me. If you do get a wifi crash, just turn wifi off then back on and it will reconnect easily. Up to you whether than small inconvenience is worth it for the extra speed.
Was able to use SetCPU to OC my SGN10.1 to 1704 at Performance and run some tests. Nailed a 6308 quadrant first try - wow!!! I have my SDcard OC'd to 4096 as well. Remember to always uncheck "Set at Boot" in SetCPU when testing out new speeds. You don't want to get stuck in a bootloop if you push things too far.
** One point. I found that OC to 1600 crashed my machine. Don't know why (dev bumped voltage to 1425 mv at 1704 - that's probably why), but for me anyway, 1704 seems stable for now.
I take no credit for this work (this is brieuwers doing) - simply passing the word along and letting 8013 owners no that, at least so far it has not melted my rig. Please do not thank me. Just passing along the word.
P.S., I got one bootloop after flashing with ODIN but then it booted fine.
** As always, if you brick your rig it's on you.
UPDATE - This is about 15% faster now and it feels it.

mitchellvii said:
UPDATE - This is about 15% faster now and it feels it.
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Does that mean it's 15% warmer?

TonyBigs said:
Does that mean it's 15% warmer?
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Honestly haven't noticed any heat increase.
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Battery life reduction?

TheWerewolf said:
Battery life reduction?
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Not that I've noticed but I typically use my tablet in my office where it is plugged in so hard to tell.
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there will be a battery life decrease when using the tablet constantly at 100% cpu usage. bumping the voltage guarantees that. as for how much that is i can't tell you but under my normal use my tablet doesn't run full throttle all the time so the extra drain is negligible.

madsquabbles said:
there will be a battery life decrease when using the tablet constantly at 100% cpu usage. bumping the voltage guarantees that. as for how much that is i can't tell you but under my normal use my tablet doesn't run full throttle all the time so the extra drain is negligible.
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What one has to wonder is does the very act of the cpu constantly throttling up and down and measuring what speed is best actually burn more fuel than just remaining at a high constant overclock? Think of it as city stop and go driving vs cruising on the highway.
If we are talking hours of difference then you have a point. But if we are just talking an extra 20 to 30 minutes of battery I would rather just have the speed. YMMV.

mitchellvii said:
What one has to wonder is does the very act of the cpu constantly throttling up and down and measuring what speed is best actually burn more fuel than just remaining at a high constant overclock? Think of it as city stop and go driving vs cruising on the highway.
If we are talking hours of difference then you have a point. But if we are just talking an extra 20 to 30 minutes of battery I would rather just have the speed. YMMV.
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Well yeah,.going.faster means finishing quicker but generally you can expect higher levels of inefficiency at higher rigor... my somewhat educated opinion, without tossing around numbers, is that he effect on the battery life should be minimal.
Theres also the fact that with a 10 inch tablet, the screen takes up a clear majority of the current.. the processor, even while at 100% still pales in comparison.. and the processor is.not often at 100%.. you dont really flash the screen.on and off, you usually have it on for a block of time.. processor only really works during tasks and then idles.
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