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Texting on the P3600

Hi, I'm very keen on buying the P3600 and am just wondering about a couple of things - firstly, not having used a touchscreen before, how easy it texting using the on-screen keypad. Secondly, an odd question, but one I've been wondering about - if you're viewing a web page, but are holding the P3600 in landscape (or sideways) when you use the scroll button which way does the page scroll - horizontally or vertically?
Thanks

Vertically.
Texting is fine on the Dopod D810 - I use the stylus and keyboard only now but if you prefer Phone Pad style, there is one installed too. I just don't like the way it requires you to select the word from the prompt list rather than just display the word in the msg straight away. If you're ambitious (& patience), you might also like to try the Transcriber with your hand-writing

TenGo text entry
Anybody tried TenGO Thumb and if so, does it integrate well with the Trinity and more importantly is it easy to use?
Thanks for all your help so far.

I've tried to install TenGO before but couldn't get it to work. Right after that, I found PhonePad and haven't looked back. For long texts/emails, I use Spb fullscreen keyboard...no stylus necessary...

Hi
i have tried to install TenGo and this phone pad, oh and a couple of other alternate keyboards, and try as i may i cannot get them to show up. They exist in the list, both as an alternate input method and as an option on the keyboard choice pop-up. A soft reset after picking one still returns me to the original keyboard.
Am i missing something really obvious? If so where should i start looking?

Banafish, what is 'Spb fullscreen keyboard' - is it a stand-alone application?

Try using the iPhone-like keyboard. Love it for texting.
Of all I've used so far, thats the most comfortable, especially in landscape mode . Not only the keys are big, it also doesnt eat up all your screen space when writing like that of spb keyboard (which is good for writing essays, which I'll never do).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296455

SPB fullscreen keyboard is an application:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/fsk/?en
You can install/uninstall it like you would any 3rd party app. Once installed, it will appear as an input option and you can access it that way. I have it mapped to one of the hard buttons so that I can just activate it when I need it.
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Banafish, what is 'Spb fullscreen keyboard' - is it a stand-alone application?
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Does anyone know if there's a sip out there that shows how many characters you've typed...because you really need to know when you've reached the 160 characters limit for a single text message?

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Does anyone know if there's a sip out there that shows how many characters you've typed...because you really need to know when you've reached the 160 characters limit for a single text message?
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I thought you can see this in the default message window, just that you need to close the text input panel first.. or scroll down the window.

ok, I just got tengo keyboard to work. Not for fast one handed operation, although you can try tengo thumb. There's a free 'lite' version of the regular tengo keyboard available.

Anyone ever tried using Fitaly? I managed to get upwards of 40 words per minute using that, even sometimes hitting 50 wpm. I installed 3.5 on it though, and it slowed down my phone so much, I had to take it off.

Disable Autocomplete

Would someone please tell me how to get rid of this new autocomplete, it's really slowing me down...I already tried turning off Word Completion in Settings -> Input.

I haven't seen that type of auto-complete before, but it looks rather good. What SIP are you using? Is it a new function in the latest ROM's or have you added a third party SIP?

Came with my Sprint Touch. It shows up whenever I use the built in block recognizer. Normally I wouldn't mind since it can be helpful for those really long words, but this one really really slows down my Touch and causes my strokes to be recognized incorrectly

Seemed to have figured it out, I just had to disable the Wordcompletion keys under HKLM\Software\Tegic
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I haven't seen that type of auto-complete before, but it looks rather good. What SIP are you using? Is it a new function in the latest ROM's or have you added a third party SIP?
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It also looks like this is provided by the new fullscreen keyboard SIP added to the Sprint Touch

comes in the new rom.. i cant find anyway to off it too..

I installed the new Touch Keyboard and Touch Keypad found in these pages (somewhere ?? sorry not sure...) and this now appears on the default keyboard.

Totally agree: it sucks big time. I couldn't find a way to turn it off also, so I eventually flash a rom without it

hi EliteXen,
could you be more specific which reg key under
HKLM\Software\Tegic
you changed to disable the autocomplete? thanks.

To turn off the XT9 autocomplete for non-Touch keyboards:
Go to HKLM\SOFTWARE\Tegic\eT9\ and change the key "XT9SupportMSSip" from value "1" to "0"
However, to turn it off within a Touch keyboard I think you need to go to "Options" for the keyboard --> XT9 Settings --> uncheck everything...

Can't use "Word Completion" on the Touch?? (Only XT9??)
Turned off XT9 as above but apparently the normal Windows Mobile "Word Completion" doesn't work??
Is it possible to use the normal "Word Completion" or is that functionality not included since they included XT9?
(I actually think XT9 does better prediction that "Word Completion" but XT9 prevents various 3rd-party keyboards/SIPs from working ...)

Here's some info: installed the dictionary editor from http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-word-completion-dictionary-editor-v1-3-2342-39581.html and it showed no entries in the system. Added a couple entries and saved them to the main dictionary so there are entries now, but they still aren't popping up as suggestions
What would be really great is if XT9 can be enabled and NOT interfere with 3rd-party SIPs. (For me, it prevents the "macros" function in MessagEase from working...) Otherwise, would love to be able to re-enable the Windows Mobile "Word Completion" if anyone knows how...

One of my problems (mostly) fixed
Apparently I'll just be sitting around posting repeatedly to this thread all day
Okay, here's something that can help if you are having trouble with XT9 interfering with a 3rd party SIP but you want to KEEP XT9's autocompletion rather than have no autocompletion at all...
The below fix made it possible for MessagEase macros to work along with XT9 being activated, although it looks a bit funky when MessagEase macros are being expanded (as the macro is being typed by MessagEase, XT9 is trapping every character and making new guesses, and then it remembers the macro as a new "autocomplete" phrase).
So here's how to make MessagEase and XT9 work together:
1) DON'T do the registry change described earlier (HKLM\SOFTWARE\Tegic\eT9\XT9SupportMSSip) --> if that entry was already changed to 0, change it back to 1 because we want it active again...and if you make a registry change then you'll have to turn the device off/back on and reboot as usual)
2) from the keyboard selector (the up arrow on lower right of screen), select "Options"-->then select "Touch Keyboard" and tap "Options" button
3) click "XT9 Settings" button --> uncheck everything EXCEPT "Word Completion"
4) click "Ok" a bunch of times
Now MessagEase macros work although XT9 is try to trap every character MessagEase is writing...
[[One note: I *love* MessagEase but haven't used the macros in a long time as there was a bug that started happening due to the "macros" function (I called it Mad WM5 Syndrome: everything started going crazy and you had to reboot). So Exideas made a MessagEase "Lite" version without macro functionality that is very stable...They tried to fix the non-"Lite" version but the last one I tried (long ago) still caused the problem on a PPC-6700...So now I'm trying the non-"Lite" version again, hoping the macro function will work without causing "Mad WM5 Syndrome"...I will post back if the mad syndrome returns!]]
Aaron

Well unfortunately I don't have much to add, but since you're the only one posting on this thread I thought I'd echo your desires for the standard windows word completion. I like to use the keypad at times and xt9 works just fine for that, but when I'm using my hardware keyboard I'm unable to get word completion back. I miss it!
GOod job with the work-around mentioned in your last post. I think I'd prefer the normal word completion to xt9's though, so hopefully someone can figure out a way to to limit xt9's "influence" to only those times that you're using the touch keypads.

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So now I'm trying the non-"Lite" version again, hoping the macro function will work without causing "Mad WM5 Syndrome"...I will post back if the mad syndrome returns!]]
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Unfortunately, "Mad WM5 Syndrome" has become "Mad WM6 Syndrome" with the non-LITE version of MessagEase on my HTC Touch. So I'm back to using the LITE version of MessagEase without macros However, it's great using MessagEase on the Touch because you can slide right off the keyboard as there's no "ledge" between the screen and the rest of the device

Where does this keyboard come from?

I have the 16 key touch dual.
So on input options, you have the touch keypad, when I select that sometimes this comes out (please see attached)
I like it thought better than the 20 key touch keyboard.

Yeh... Where?
I second this, it works really well but there is no option to bring it up on the dual... it just randomly appears sometimes when you need to input text.

Thirded.
And whats more, why does text input seem to vary on web pages?
I've got some where it defaults to numeric input when it should be alpha numeric (ie. passwords), others where XT9 seems to be off (the subject on mails in facebook).
Its so stupidly all over the place and inconsistent! If I could just get this one to pop up all the time I'd be happy.

Doesn't that keyboard show when there's no text entry field?
And yes, i want it too, why would they disable it for normal usage?

Yeh I have found the keyboard to be all over the place when it comes to deciding if it will give you tx9, abc, 123, etc.... Anyone know a way to set one of the two alphanumerics as a default at least?

ok ive had this appear a few times now but couldnt figure out why, as you have been asking for it i have been playing around and think i know what is causing it. you may not need everything listed below but these are the settings on my device if you play around with them you should be able to narrow it down.
I'm running Toms rom, found here
i have disabled threaded sms by using the second setting here
i have enabled the favourite people button on the htc home screen by deleteing the key here
the only other app i have that may have changed a setting is the HTC home customiser.
After making these changes tick the enable xt9 setting in romsettings app, exit the app, then go back into it and untick the enable t9 setting, after closing romsettings you should have the keyboard shown in the second screen shot
as far as i can see this changes the keyboard in all applications

Thats great! Still albeit of a noob so you lost me somewhere there, is there a way to this on the stock ROM?

short answer is i dont know. try looking for an applcation called rom settings after installing it there is a t9 setting. untick it and closethe application if this makes no dfference you may want to try altering the other settings and then trying again until it works.

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short answer is i dont know. try looking for an applcation called rom settings after installing it there is a t9 setting. untick it and closethe application if this makes no dfference you may want to try altering the other settings and then trying again until it works.
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Ok will try that thanks. On the side, when you untick "T9" does this make "abc" default text entry as well?

I have confirmed that this keyboard layout come out when no text entry is needed.

muzikfreakah said:
On the side, when you untick "T9" does this make "abc" default text entry as well?
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I wish, this has been a problem since the phones release - theres 7 pages on it here

muzikfreakah said:
I have confirmed that this keyboard layout come out when no text entry is needed.
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thats the default action anyway, with the changes detailed the keyboard is available when entering text, if you look at the second image you will see that the cursor is actually in the message box, its the black line at the end of the word hello

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I have confirmed that this keyboard layout come out when no text entry is needed.
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Eh? Maybe I overdosed on the thick pills last night, but that doesn't make any sense? If I click on a password field in IE, sometimes the main phone keypad always seems to default to numeric entry. But clicking in the field itself pops up this lovely keyboard.
It really does make no sense at all. There doesn't appear to be any standard/global keyboard settings.
And this is in v6 of WinMo, you would have thought they would have got the basics right by now, but the darned sent items has the useless option of "order by from" - when all the sent items are sent from the same person.
Its got plenty of potential, but it just seems like lots of separate teams were implementing it, doing their own thing without any centralised discussion/design.

Has anyone managed to get this to work with the standard T-Mobile [UK] ROM ?

any updates on this as well? it would be nice to just get an option for this

I got it to work, rather by chance, but thing is after that, I could switch to back to the touchpad type anymore.
I installed POCKETCM KEYBOARD. After doing that, somehow it locked this keyboard in when I choose touchpad.
Its rather a workaround, but for those who to use it premanently, you can do it

it also shows up at times when you are entering a password

Ouch ! I read to quickly and did'nt see the word "permanently" !
It does the same for me after installing pocketpc keyboard and even after uninstalling it !!!
Did you find a way to get the classic keyboard back ? This one is nice but there are some important keys missing as "." and a key to hide the keyboard !
Thanks
EDIT : The installation of Resco Keyboard got all the original settings back + Resco Keyboard of course.
So if you need to use the famous "hidden HTC keyboard", simply install Resco Keyboard and then Pocketpc keyboard.
You will then have your classic "touch" keyboards replaced by the "hidden keyboard" (+Resco Keyboard installed of course).
But to my mind, Resco keyboard alone is better...

Touchpal freezing

Hi,
I use Touchpal V3.5 and i absolutely love it, if you haven't tired it I highly recommend it, especially good is the mixed language input and I actually type faster using touchpal+gsen in landscape mode than I did with a hardware keyboard (a worry that almost prevented me from buying this marvelous device). I do have two little niggles that would be great if i could overcome somehow:
1. Setting Touchpal to the default keyboard does not stick after a restart/reset. I have to change the keyboard each time i start up. I tried SIP Change but it doesn't seem to have an option for running at start-up....anyone know if i can get at the registry somewhere or something?
2. When I first open it, if i try to type in Chinese before using English, it freezes in a bad way, disabling EVERY window that tries to call the sip and requiring a soft reset to make the phone useable again. If I open it, type something in english, and then switch the input to chinese it runs like a charm until I restart again...what is that about?
Actually neither of these issues is a deal breaker, but it would be nice not to have to worry about it, is anyone else having these troubles?...any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

touchpal
i have touchpal also and cant keep it as default. Ive tried all the fixes there are on all the threads. Doesnt work for Touchpal. any suggestions or fixes would be greatly appreciated.

Well I figured out the answer to problem one on my own...TF3D takes a little time to load and interferes with SipChange so you need to adjust the delay so as to happen after TF3D is finished.
Just tap SIPChange, select the IM you want, and set the time to 45 seconds (shorter may work). Bingo, stays the default IM on restart

whats the difference (apart from it's tabulated) between touchpal and "compact QWERTY" mode keyboard?

you also need to Go make this change: HKCU\Software\HTC\BootLauncher\Apps and remove the folder called "Startkey"

I have the same problem with touchpal, where do i do this?
Just tap SIPChange, select the IM you want, and set the time to 45 seconds (shorter may work). Bingo, stays the default IM on restart

@FRUSTIN:
TOuchpal is third-party software by CooTek, "Compact Querty" is just a different layout for the tock HTC input method. TOuchpal is MUCH more feature rich and just kicks the [email protected] out of the default keyboard in every way, it supports tons of languages and multi-language input (go back and forth between two languages in the same sentence without changing any settings), web hotkeys, adds copy/cut/paste and D-pad to EVERY app, etc. check it out at www.cootek.com
@DIAMONDBS:
I did NOT do that and it works perfectly for me...why do you need to remove an entire folder from the registry? Can anone confirm this?
@WEETABIX1980:
Just go to start>programs>SIP Change, when the program opens you select Touchpal from the list of input methods and then change the numbers in the box below the list to 45, then click "Select"...should be the only button there...tapping "OK" is not good enough, be sure to tap "Select"

thanks, any clue what sip change in dutch is in the programs?

anyone knows this?

SIPChange is a little tool developed here at XDA:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=271008
Download the cab to your phone and install. This should then give you the options mentioned above.

Touchpal intermittantly hangs on me aswell. I post on here about it before. I tried allsorts to cure it (hard resets, clean installs etc). So annoying when demoing the phone to a friend and all of a sudden the keyboard hangs and wont popup.
I used to love Touchpal, now I hate it and will not install it on my phone.

How to delete the Windows keyboard

Hey guys,
Is it possible to delete the Windows on screen keyboard or to get another input option as standard, because it is absolutely useless and too small.
Thanks a lot!

people have experienced some serious issues with disabling it
if u don't use an on screen keyboard then try nullkb

use sktools

HansWurst40 said:
Hey guys,
Is it possible to delete the Windows on screen keyboard or to get another input option as standard, because it is absolutely useless and too small.
Thanks a lot!
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don't bother deleting the default keyboard, just try other keyboards such as spb keyboard or resco keyboard and make it as your default one.

ericmateo said:
don't bother deleting the default keyboard, just try other keyboards such as spb keyboard or resco keyboard and make it as your default one.
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How do u make it as your default one?

The easiest way is to use SKtools.

Advanced Config has a setting under "Input > Auto deploy SIP:" to disable the soft keyboard in most situations, I find that works for pretty much everything except Opera. If I remember correctly Opera has it's own registry entry for stopping the SIP popup.
I don't like having the SIP at all either, it seems pointless considering we have a hardware keyboard, and I always prefer disabling and/or complete removal than adding more software to acheive the required result.

The on screen keyboard is indeed useless. Is there a way, without installing apps, to disable it?

dogans said:
The on screen keyboard is indeed useless. Is there a way, without installing apps, to disable it?
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use sktools.under the input just remove registry key.thats all.but i would recommend you to be carefull.if you mess up input keyboard your phone will not be start again.if that happens you have to hard reset.cheers

SquidgyB said:
Advanced Config has a setting under "Input > Auto deploy SIP:" to disable the soft keyboard in most situations, I find that works for pretty much everything except Opera. If I remember correctly Opera has it's own registry entry for stopping the SIP popup.
I don't like having the SIP at all either, it seems pointless considering we have a hardware keyboard, and I always prefer disabling and/or complete removal than adding more software to acheive the required result.
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Where exactly is the input? I don't see it.

Cheeze[iT] said:
Where exactly is the input? I don't see it.
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SIP = software input panel = stupid archaic useless microsoft tiny keyboard popping up everywhere
WinMo was designer TEN YEARS AGO for 320x240, 32MB RAM devices, and has not changed to date... SHAME Microsoft...
I've dealt a lot with opera:config and I've not found where to disable it yet

can someone point to where the SIP is on Advance Config? Can't seem to find it. Thanks.

How do I set the htc keyboard to be default?

Start Menu -> Settings -> Input -> set your Inut Method as "Full QWERTY" if that's the HTC one. I'm suprised nobody answered you, it's quite simple.
My Bad, it doesn't work after restart.