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Downloaded a cab file from a chinese website, its a today plugin that when you click takes control of your today screen and gives you many buttons to cycle through move around etc drag and drop. Has its own background and signal bar etc. Seems to be a simple application launcher which slightly resembles the iphone. Found it in an elf thread but not sure if it is from an elf. I searched the forum and cannot find anything really like it(i mean apon looking at the contents of the cab versus the content of other things I have found here) I would like to find it in english if I could figure out what to call it. I am attaching the cab file, havent gotten a screen shot of it yet but its not gonna trash your phone just the characters wont display if you do not have chinese installed.
Any help appreaciated.
Jeff
Anyone know what this is? Is it malicious? I stupidly installed it, but it shows up nowhere in directory structure, remover programs, settings, or program folder.
It is not malicous I have installed it myself and it shows up in remove programs to uninstall. It not showing up at all is strange, what are you running? Did you reset after you installed it?
I am running LVSW's latest wm6 release. It installs and works fine except for the fact that chinese characters do not show.
I did a check on the CAB, and it seems alright. It is called "dDockView", installed to your "Program Files\dDockView" dir. All files are installed there, 2 at "\Windows" and a shortcut. Nothing in the registry, nothing nastily `malicious`. Two of the files in \Windows are "dDockView.xml", "dDockPlugin.dll". Delete these if you want to remove it.
From what it seems, it only execute if you run the "dDockView.exe" in "Program Files\dDockView"
And runs on WM6 only.
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Attached screenshots. It looks.. ifoney. From what it seems, to be a launcher, that, the bottom part gives you the 'Menu' or 'Page' for the programs icons above.
You'll have to modify the XML in \Windows to point to your program and icons, I think.
Hey thanks for posting the screenshots I was just about to upload some myself. I knew it was a launcher but none of the chinese would show up as I did not have the local installed.
Is this comparable to the iphone app posted in these threads? Ive been searching but I havent found anything close to what files it installs I can only assume that its something the chinese have made but do not quote me on that. I wonder how hard it would be to convert it to english.
Jeff
Psiodon said:
It is not malicous I have installed it myself and it shows up in remove programs to uninstall. It not showing up at all is strange, what are you running? Did you reset after you installed it?
I am running LVSW's latest wm6 release. It installs and works fine except for the fact that chinese characters do not show.
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I have yet to take any rom plunge. I am runing wm5 on my 8525 all I have done is put on the newest version of radio 1.43.
When I installed it I told it to use my storage card and it did not fail but said install was ok.
Your afraid to upgrade os but are ok updating the radio? I seem to remember reading that it is easier to brick your device radio updating than just upgrading the os but do not quote me on that.
@hanmin Since you were able to see the chinese characters, what was displayed on the normal today screen where you launch the program? Mine just showed an icon with many squares of course because I could not see chinese.
It seems like a decent launcher for one handed operation and the drag and drop works nice, still havent figured out how to customize it all yet but time will tell.
Jeff
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Your afraid to upgrade os but are ok updating the radio? I seem to remember reading that it is easier to brick your device radio updating than just upgrading the os but do not quote me on that.
@hanmin Since you were able to see the chinese characters, what was displayed on the normal today screen where you launch the program? Mine just showed an icon with many squares of course because I could not see chinese.
It seems like a decent launcher for one handed operation and the drag and drop works nice, still havent figured out how to customize it all yet but time will tell.
Jeff
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Didn't say afraid, said I hadn't done it yet. Still reading and checking on what one I want to try first.
@Bohemian, I'm sure Psiodon doesn't meant to say 'afraid', probably the word 'worried / doubtful' is the word he is trying to use. Anyway, good that you are doing that. There are various newbies around that jump in and die without knowing why
@Psiodon
I didn't install the app myself. I've just examined the CAB contents and did a bit of goggling myself. I don't even know that there is a today plugin (probably I've missed some lines in the CAB). From what it seems, you can happily skip the today plugin and launch it 'normally'.
@Boh, yes I did not mean scared afraid as hanmin said, just that you did radio first as I have not done radio yet but have done os many times hehe.
@Hanmin, I must be retarded how did you get those screenshots without installing it, some emulator or other way of extracting them? The retard thing can be verified with your reply haha.
Jeff
@Psiodon You can google for screenshots? There are forum discussing it with screenshots. Just grab it from there? And, yes, there are emulator for WM5 devices if you are interested. Get it free from M$.
Are those forums in chinese or english, could you post a link to it?
Thanks in advance
Jeff
can anyone covert it to english Please
@Psiodon Google for "dDockView"
@aih1977, from what it seems, it uses a XML file for all the setup and stuff, but it also has a few DLL files which maybe difficult to convert to English.
Hi Guys,
This today plug-in come pre-installed in S1 Dopod in china which is the HTC Touch "Elf". But this is only availible in default for china market.
You need to edit the xml to do batches change to del unwanted icon.
Too bad this come in chinese lang only. And I having some program in adding new program using the standard GUI. Think I need to use the xml to add new program.
That makes sense the chinese care nothing about copyrights which sometimes is a good thing.
The software has its own custimizing app built in, you just click the little down arrows and it gives you options to delete and add new as well as lock unlock the drag and drop capability, you can change text font colors etc, it has its own button library graphics you can select from etc.
It does what its supposed to do, launches apps, displays your messages count etc, goes directly to what you want it to go to, email for email, text messages for sms etc, self customizing (to an extent) drag and drop icons for ordering. Clicking the clock brings up time of course, clicking the service bars brings up phone properties. Its pretty quick to do its various tasks and seems to be a complete program, I did notice that it doesnt seem to show the status of bluetooth wifi etc at the top or maybe I havent figure out how to configure that.
If it were in english would be alot better thats for certain.
Psiodon
Translator needed...Chinese
I know that some people here speaks chinese, so could any of you please look into this and translate it
Is there a easy way to break of a DLL change (e.g. translate) it and put it back?
easy way hmmm. I tried translating it myself but with my limited knowledge on such things I couldnt really get anything important changed to english, just a few menu options that you could already figure out yourself. I had to change my local to chinese to get those characters to show up in my editing programs. Then had to make shift sign the exe then copy it over to the phone. Couldnt figure out the signing cab thing and didnt work much on that since I couldnt get much changed into english. I guess the other chinese is hidden in there somewhere but with the programs I used I couldnt figure it out. The other thing that bothers me about the program is that it will let you add control panel items, but not program items, when you select that option it just sits there. I assume some path being different on the chinese version of windows mobile 6? So with all the effort I didnt get far.
There are many people out there who translate programs from different languages, maybe they have more of a clue than I do, and the ability to fix the path problem with adding programs.
Psiodon
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That makes sense the chinese care nothing about copyrights which sometimes is a good thing.
Psiodon
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Does this have something to do with the subject? So you're White western good thinking people? I wonder what you do around here?
This question was posted in the Elf forum, but didn't get any answers, so I figured I'd post it here, maybe someone can help me out.
With my original Rogers ROM, I was able to swipe sideways in Messaging to go from SMS to Hotmail to Gmail, or to see next/previous message when in a message.
Since I have flashed my phone to WM6.1 (I've tried Blue Elves V5.0, kokotas Clean ROM Black Edition and AB's Clean ROM), none of these seem to support the sideways swipe in Messaging.
Is this something that is not included in WM6.1? Or is there a reg setting that I didn't see to enable this? I am able to do the same thing with the D-Pad left and right, but I'd like to get the swipe back... That's why we have touch screens, isn't it?
Hope someone can help me out. Thanks in advance...
Damn, my apologies! I meant to post this in the General forum! If a mod wants to move this thread, please do... Sorry!!
That is an HTC feature seen on the Vogue/Elf/etc. Not related to WM. It's part of Touchflo/biotouch/whatever it is called. You need to have that built into your ROM. I think FTouchSL will allow this functionality as well.
Thanks for the quick reply!
I've tried FtouchSL, and I find it doesn't work anywhere near as well as the original "biotouch", also, I has many options that I'll never use, so I'd rather stick to the built in biotouch.exe.
On that note, I had a copy of my original Rogers biotouch.exe from when I disabled the cube on my Elfin, I copied that into the \Windows folder with Resco explorer and overwrote the old one, soft reset, still doesn't seem to work.
I think there's a registry setting that I'm missing perhaps, I'm gonna look around for it, but if anyone else has any ideas, I'd be happy to hear them.
Thanks again...
Do you have the original HTC Cube? If the ROM you're using have a disabled cube, you won't have that feature. (some cooks actually disables the cube since it's pretty much useless now)
Damn, yeah, the roms I'm using all have had the cube disabled. Well, thanks for the help, I guess I'll have to try something else...
I remember reading about some sort of program, script or setting to change to enable this:
From the home screen, start typing the name of a contact and/or the name of an application or program, and you'll be able to launch the program or call/txt the contact.
Yes, I'm aware that starting to type the name of the contact while on the home screen will search through the contacts and enable you to find your contact and place a call...
The difference with this script or program being it adds additional searching/functionality to also include being able to launch programs as well just the contacts.
I cannot remember where I read about this (possibly on another blog, in the signature of someone here on XDA, on Cyrket, as an added feature of one of the cooked ROMS, etc).
If anyone knows of the name of the program, the GScript, or whatever it could possibly be, I sure would appreciate your help. I know it's available (edit: maybe not, see post below), I just don't know what it is or where to find it.
Thanks.
Isn't this supposed to be a feature of Android 2.0?
Maybe that's what I read about.
No amount of searching the Market or Cyrket or anywhere else has turned up any results, so I bet that's it.
Look for "moov" in market. Sounds like what your looking for.
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Look for "moov" in market. Sounds like what your looking for.
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MOOV !
Whew. That's it.
I knew I had read about it.
Got it. It's a little flaky, but it does the trick.
THANX !
These are my requests that I have which would actually "complete" my perfect HD2... if any members here would like to contribute some info as to how I may go about and fulfill them, then I would have much gratitude. Thanks
-Aside from the volume control that MysticGenious posted along with his taskbar, is there any other cab or registry change that will allow me to change my volume in increments of 1 as opposed to 3 bars each time? I am familiar with the paid app, but I do not want to go that route.. If mysticGenious created something that works when you use his taskbar, then I'm sure someone else has created something.
-Take the application "FootPrints" for example... Unless I have that activated on my tab screens, I am unable to create a shortcut so that I can save it on as a quicklink. This is the same with the HTC Calender App and any other tab application. If its not active in the Tab menu then the shortcuts doesn't exist. Is there a workaround? I would like to use Foot Prints, but I only want it as a quicklink, NOT as a Tab folder. I have already tried activating the tab and creating the shortcut to the quicklinks, but as soon as i removed it from the Tab Menus, it disappeared. There has got to be a way for this to happen. Cause I mean the program is there, but for some reason it only works if its active in Tabs.
-Transformers... I have tried reinstalling the Transformers cab but that didn't work. I just want to be able to click the Transformers shortcut and be able to select either 1 or 2 and then the movie instantly pops up. I have the movies saved on my sd card now, but because i moved them out of the SD card and onto my computer at one point in time, the link that connected them is no longer there. Basically I have all the components, I just need some guidance on how to make the shortcut link and work again... I'm assuming that i have to direct the file via registry editor "Total Commander" or something, I am just confused when it comes to that stuff on my HD2
and believe it or not, thats actually the only issues I have left with the phone, I'm sure that someone has a suggestion, or knows an answer... thanks a lot guys
i haven't given up hope on the members here....
anyone know any information about any of the 3 that i have listed??
*Update*
I have solved my transformers issue...
thanks for the help community???................................................................
ehhh......
well either way.. in case someone runs into the same situation heres the original thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6392077#post6392077
cheers...
so any chances someone is gonna be able to point me in right direction for my other requests?? or perhaps even an answer??
cause this is a active hd2 forum, with many users willing to help out each other right???
one can dream.....
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you should be able to create your own shortcuts to the applications using File Explorer. footprints.exe exists in the Windows directory, you just need to copy it and past as short cut in the windows-start menu-programs directory. These short cuts shouldn't disappear when you disable the tab.
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wrt links to footprints etc
you should be able to create your own shortcuts to the applications using File Explorer. footprints.exe exists in the Windows directory, you just need to copy it and past as short cut in the windows-start menu-programs directory. These short cuts shouldn't disappear when you disable the tab.
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yea you would think so right?? but unfortunately this is the case... and i'm wondering how would we be able to remedy this.. cause yea.. footprinks.lnk does not exist... until it is activated in tabs.. and even if i decide to make a shortcut of the footprints.lnk when it shows up.. the shortcuts becomes inactive one you deactivate the tab...
its WEIRD... i think what it is.. is that HTC put a lock on that application, since its one of their own.. so that it can only work if its activated under sense UI... which sucks..
but yea.. so i've already tried all the "doable" attempts... i'm basically asking someone who is more skilled to tell me whats going on... cause the developers can do amazing things.. this would be a walk in the park...
I would like to both find the following 2 fixes and cook them into my rom, but i cannot yet find the fixes - perhaps someone could be so kind as to help.
1. I do not want to see the 'could not connect' message - yes I have disabled both the connected and disconnected option but cannot find a way to remove that message. Really annoying when using TomTom.
2. When I tap the little keyboard at the bottom, to bring up the on screen keyboard, half the tme I accidentally get the input option menu I never use this and only want the standard keyboard - can I disable the option menu?
I have more questions, but am working through them as I think they are solvable by me with more time research.
Many thanks.
EDIT - See post 22 for likley solution to problem 1
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1. I do not want to see the 'could not connect' message - yes I have disabled both the connected and disconnected option but cannot find a way to remove that message. Really annoying when using TomTom.
2. When I tap the little keyboard at the bottom, to bring up the on screen keyboard, half the tme I accidentally get the input option menu I never use this and only want the standard keyboard - can I disable the option menu?
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1. I don't know.
2. [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\ezsip]
"EnableSipMenu"=dword:00000000
Softreset...that's it.
Thanks, but I have tried that and it did not work. (I have gone back and checked that the reg edit was still there after the soft reset, and it was.)
TomTom breaking Manila
I still cannot answer my two initial questions, but have come across a strange issue.
I have tried to cook TomTom into my ROM to save time on the install. I have done this is the past with old style kitchens on previous phones no problem.
I have used the cab to ext converter in OsKitchen and made a package. If I inlcude the package in my ROM however, Manila will not start. Itr just syas tap here to start HTC Sense, and then flickers a bit but for love nor money I cannot make it start.
By a process of elimination I am sure it is the TomTom package causing this.
Running the cab via cab does not cause this issue.
Would anyone know what the problem might be?
Cheers
Don't use the cab converter to make the EXT. My guess is that the cab has a setup.dll, and the converter is missing something important. Here is how you want to make the package:
Install the cab; get all of the files created and put them in your package. Obviously, there will be files in \program files, but there may be some dumped into \windows, \my documents, the device root or \application data or \startup. There may be a new directory in \windows. Find those files and put them in the package as well; organize them however you want. Personally, I'd relocated the .exe and dll's and anything else I could into \windows, but I've never used tom-tom and don't know how it's organized or how it works.
Next, get all of the registry keys (after you register the program). I'm guessing that it's HKCU\software\tomtom or hklm\software\tomtom or something similar. There may also be other keys installed elsewhere (like clsid keys). Find those. If there's a setup.dll, you can open it with a text editor and probably see where they are. Some may appear in the _setup.xml. The best way to do this is to track changes with sk tracker, or do it the hard way and compare the registry before and after install with windiff (comparing full registry exports).
Once you have all the files and the reg keys, build the package. Clearly, the package builder is failing you, so I'd punt on it. Don't cook in the setup.dll, though (or anyting with a similar name, like tom-tomsetup.dll; sometimes there's more than one). Also, sometimes more complicated cabs will have zip files that install further during installation-open these up, look at them to make sure you have all the contents, then remove from the package.
Just a little add to Farmer Ted's excelent instruction.
I use wince cab manager to extract a cab, this will give you the registry plus the file locations.
This will give you something to compaire and helps you easier search what you are looking for.
The file locations you can create yourself in initflashfiles.dat or app.dat
To export a registry on device I use registry workshop.
With registry workshop you can export registry from your device straight to your pc.
If you are planning to realocate all the files to windows you need to edit the shortcuts to so they direct to windows and not program files for example.
The shortcuts you can open with a tekst editor.
Thanks guys - much appreciated.
The problem is that TomTom runs fine, its just that it screws up Manila. I will try and pull the cab to pieces as advised to make sure it is converting properly and also to see if I can spot anything that might impact Manila in the registry etc.
I dont suppose you have any thoughts on teh original two questions?
Not realy, but if the cab runs fine but your package isnt then there must be something wrong in the package isn't?
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I dont suppose you have any thoughts on teh original two questions?
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There is actually not much in the cab.
Using Wince cab Manager I can see no setup.dll
There are also no reg entries - nor can I find anything in the reg on the device that does anything other than list the install directory.
Looking at th files it installs, there are a couple of bluetooth files that can cause an error - odly it seems to not affect me when it is a cab but it must overwrite the windows ones when it is cooked in. The only thing I can think of is that it also has a phone.dll that presumably overwrites the one in the sys.
I will try cooking without this in my next build and see.
Unfortunately I am out of time as have recooked/flashed almost ten times trying to tie down this issue and then getting back to a stable base.
I have also 'broken' Arkswitch which was working on earlier builds. Don't think its related though.
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Thanks guys - much appreciated.
The problem is that TomTom runs fine, its just that it screws up Manila. I will try and pull the cab to pieces as advised to make sure it is converting properly and also to see if I can spot anything that might impact Manila in the registry etc.
I dont suppose you have any thoughts on teh original two questions?
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It's weird that it screws up manila; I don't use manila (or T-T, obviously), so can't help you there. I'm just guessing that you're missing a registry key that you need to get the package to work. Is there a tom-tom demo (not warez)? If you post a link, I'll take a look at the cab to see if I can make an ext from it, or figure out what's going on. Some cabs are just a *****, and you're better of doing a cab install. You should see the Redfly cab, it's sick, lol. It's one that has a zip file that does a secondary install. I hate it. I also hate Redfly, but that's another story.
I read somewhere that with some sip buttons, if you press the left half, it launches the keyboard, and if you press the right half, it launches the menu. I've never experienced it myself, and don't know which builds it affects or why it happens. Is this what's going on? I'm just guessing, since you say it eff's up half the time. I have no idea how to disable the connection message, but I wouldn't mind knowing how, either. It's annoying as crap.
What's your device memory left over?
I'm just thinking, maybe you could exclude TomTom from the taskmanager exclusive list.
Sorry one more idea, you are cooking for Rhodium right?
HD2 and Rhodium have a simulair bluetooth stack.
I remember on first HD2 roms there were some problems with TomTom and bluetooth on HD2.
Just a taught.
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There is actually not much in the cab.
Using Wince cab Manager I can see no setup.dll
There are also no reg entries - nor can I find anything in the reg on the device that does anything other than list the install directory.
Looking at th files it installs, there are a couple of bluetooth files that can cause an error - odly it seems to not affect me when it is a cab but it must overwrite the windows ones when it is cooked in. The only thing I can think of is that it also has a phone.dll that presumably overwrites the one in the sys.
I will try cooking without this in my next build and see.
Unfortunately I am out of time as have recooked/flashed almost ten times trying to tie down this issue and then getting back to a stable base.
I have also 'broken' Arkswitch which was working on earlier builds. Don't think its related though.
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Thanks both for your continued help.
Yes I am cooking for the Rhodium and am using the Rhodium Manila plus Cookie 1.6.1 so as to keep memory use in check. Ok I have added in the 1.8 HTC messaging but it doesn't cause a problem. Memory is about 40% free on first boot - am also using 23568 as the SYS base. I also use Ameba.
I think my Arkswitch issue is due to something else cooked in, but being honest I dont really use Arkswitch much and so am going to drop it next time I cook I think.
Farmer Ted - There is no issue with TomTom as regards Warez as far as I know - the program is fine - it is the maps that must be purchased and talking about getting round that is where the problems arise. The program itself is OK.
I might get one last chance to cook and flash tonight to check out my theory about the Phone.dll. If not I will post back and throw myself on your mercy, although as you say, it might be better to just live with the fact it will be a cab install. due to the way the files interact and the fact that the tomtom package works, I do think something is being overwritten in the cooking process and all I can see is that file.
The reason I have persisted with TomTom is that I have made an old style OEM package in the past from the cab with no problems (long lost kitchen).
With regards to the Bluetooth issues - I have sorted those now AFAIK.
RESULT! re TomTom - will post back after putting my little girl to bed.
OK - to summarise.
I ran TomTom through the cab importer within OsKitchen and it produced a package.
Although the cab had installed and run with no errors, cooking it in created 2 errors.
Firstly, there was a bluetooth message about bttray or something not being a valid application.
This is caused by two BT files in windows being overwritten by the TomTom ones. Simply renaming the two fiels to include the word OLD in the name sorted that. I will just remove them next time as I do not think they are necessary if the windows files are there.
The second issue was that Manila would not start. I believe this is due to a similar issue to the above, in that phone.dll was being overwritten. I renamed the file to PhoneOLD.dll and cooked in the package and now Manila starts.....
Still looking for answers to my first two questions though
(and yes its cos I keep hittingt he side of the button with my fat fingers that the keyboard selector comes up)
I'm not sure what's up with the keyboard, although I use Resco, so maybe you don't get then menu popup when you hit the wrong half. Have you tried killing SIPGT_app.exe? Maybe it won't pop up with that killed. If that's the case, then remove the bootlauncher key in your ezinput package. Killing it may not help, though.
I could not find that exe file to kill. The keyboard behavious is I believe as it is intended to work - just not how I want it. But are you saying Resco Keyboard fixes this?
However my final reflash last night seems to have gone a bit nuts. I am now getting all sorts of problems with apps not being able to run because they are unsigned etc or bits missing.
We are talking about stuff cooked in that has previously worked flawlessly.
Had some issues with my PC last night as well. I think I need to go back a step when I get home tonight and maybe rebuild the kitchen.
Time and kitchens have moved on a little, but as things are going well, I am back to my original 2 questions that continue to perplex me:
1. Is there a way of stopping the 'cannot connect' bubble from coming up, or even to make it automatically close after say a few seconds.
2. Is there a way of stopping the keyboard selector menu from popping up when the side of the keyboard icon is hit. I just want the qwerty option and do not want the menu to come up ever.
I have been able to make no headway at all with (1), - found mention of one cab somewhere but the link had expired - and have tried various things for (2) but with no success yet.
Anyone?
Cheers
PS- to follow up my previous posts yes the fixes I mentioned for Tom Tom work fine - it was the 3 files causing the issues.
In my old Kaiser roms i used the below reg key to disable connect notification,sorry i really dont remember if it disable also"cannot connect".
Code:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Notifications\{8ddf46e7-56ed-4750-9e58-afc6ce486d03}]
"Options"=dword:00000000
Disable Sip Menù is the same reg key that another guy posted here:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\ezsip]
"EnableSipMenu"=dword:00000000
I tried it on my HD2 before posting here and setting it to 0 it leave the menù where you can select keypad,compact qwerty,full qwerty and language,it is still present a little menù with the option and my guess is that this isnt removable.
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Time and kitchens have moved on a little, but as things are going well, I am back to my original 2 questions that continue to perplex me:
1. Is there a way of stopping the 'cannot connect' bubble from coming up, or even to make it automatically close after say a few seconds.
2. Is there a way of stopping the keyboard selector menu from popping up when the side of the keyboard icon is hit. I just want the qwerty option and do not want the menu to come up ever.
I have been able to make no headway at all with (1), - found mention of one cab somewhere but the link had expired - and have tried various things for (2) but with no success yet.
Anyone?
Cheers
PS- to follow up my previous posts yes the fixes I mentioned for Tom Tom work fine - it was the 3 files causing the issues.
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Cheers for that - I am concluding that the SIP issue I wil live with, and I already have that reg key set to zero for the connections issue, to no avail. I am experimenting with some other keys, but its really shooting in that dark, and as I cannot readily reporduce the notification, it will be a few days before I can even see any change.
Oh well. I will update if I get anywhere.
Ooooohhh, following some more digging, I MAY have an answer re the cannot connect bubble. I saw someone elses solution and that has actually led me to what could be far simpler.
I will try and cab it up later tonight for other to try. It is just a reg entry
EDIT - maybe I spoke too soon.
I am testing this by alternating between 3G and 2G on the comm manager - normally this will pull up the message. (Could someone confirm this as a valid test method).
I thought I had it solved, then the message appeared, but have done it another ten times with no hint of the message.
Some more testing to do......