battery status issues - 8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General

Coming from an 8125, my battery status (percentage left) is a little different. First of all, instead of going in single increments, it goes by 10's. Is this normal? Secondly, do the 8525s have a backup battery? I remember seeing the backup battery status on the 8125, or so I recall. Maybe that was with another program that was loaded at the time?

fordracerguy said:
Coming from an 8125, my battery status (percentage left) is a little different. First of all, instead of going in single increments, it goes by 10's. Is this normal? Secondly, do the 8525s have a backup battery? I remember seeing the backup battery status on the 8125, or so I recall. Maybe that was with another program that was loaded at the time?
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This been covered before. Yes it only goes in 10% levels and no way round this to my knowledge. There is no indicator for the internal battery, though there may be a third party add on - though I am not aware of one.
Mike

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TyTN - Too many low battery notifications.

When the battery of my TyTN gets at 20%, I start getting system notifications warning me about a low level battery and others telling me to charge the battery like the manual says so.
The issue is that at 20% the TyTN still has a lot of life time, and meanwhile until the battery gets completely drained, I get MANY of these notifications that keep disturbing, it really isn't handy.
Does anyone know any solution for this? Maybe some way to start this notification only at 10% and maybe making them fewer.
It's only needed one or two notifications to remember us we are getting low on battery power, no need to keep reminding it all the time...
Thank you.
It's anoying me aswell...
I hope they fix this in the new ROM.
On the same general topic, anyone else find the battery status to be inaccurate?
I've re-enabled the small, four-bar battery indicator at the bottom of the home screen with a hack from MoDaCo.
Thing is, it's full most of the time - then wack! it goes to one-bar red and I start getting notifications. It doesn't seem very dependable. Anyone else get this?
Marques said:
It's only needed one or two notifications to remember us we are getting low on battery power, no need to keep reminding it all the time...
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same problem with me. looks like there is some serious bug with low level battery notification. in my case, i have Magic Button installed and i'm using its feature, which shows thin battery bar at top 2 pixels of screen (something like Batti). each time when i wake up my Vario II, this indicator always shows 100% battery for 2-3 seconds, after which it refreshes back to current state.
so this thing brings the idea, that these multiple notifications are caused because device 'thinks' that battery is full after each wake up, but after few seconds it turns out that it isn't, so system is generating notification - again and again after each wake up.
I've been having similar issues except in my case the battery is actually full.
The device powers up after being in 'sleep' mode (or sometimes during normal usage) and generates low battery notifications, even though the battery has been on charge all night and is actually full or at nearly full charge.
A soft re-set doesn't seem to help but physically switching the device off and on again seems to fix the problem (the battery showing 100% afterwards) but theres a definate bug with the power monitoring software
I really want to know how to modify registry of Hermes to avoid low battery notification too
Just a thought, on other devices such as the universal and breeze etc... (i see ive mentioned smartphones aswell as ppc) ... is the battery indicator shown in 10% blocks like the hermes or are they in steps of 1%?????
Anyone know of a reg hack or possibility that this will be changeable to 1% steps???????? (ROM change or the like?)
Ah yes, pretty irritating, guess we'll have to wait for the rom updates?
mrvanx said:
Anyone know of a reg hack or possibility that this will be changeable to 1% steps???????? (ROM change or the like?)
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There is still no way to change the battery monitor to 1% steps.
From what I've checked, there is still no fix for this massive flood of low battery notifications. If anyone have any other idea... please share it.
My WM6 ROM show low battery warning at 40% - really annoying. I really just want to get of these notifications altogether!!
One possible cause of the battery showing that it is full only to have it drop 50-80% after a few minutes is that you are using a trickle-charger such as the USB cable to charge it.
When charging with one of these devices, when the battery says it's fully charged it usually isn't. You will want to take it off of the charger for a minute or two after it says it is full and then put the charger back on if you want to get a consistent full charge with a trickle charger.
Any news about the annoying low battery notifications?
I hate it and I would like to kill it forever...
Thanks
SaRo
In s-k software's sktools there an option to allow it to show the low battery notification in the sounds and notifications. I find this very useful as i disable the message on the screen which gets in the way when it pops up to tell you battery is low. You can even change the sound or just disable the notification completely! Theres got to be a reg setting for it so people can use this little hack without buying the program.

Anyone changed the internal battery?

I am having problems with the internal battery in my wizard. Everytime I switch battery my clock and calender resets. I have the service manual and see where the back-up battery is. I was just wondering what kind of battery it is and if I can just replace it?
kiru said:
I am having problems with the internal battery in my wizard. Everytime I switch battery my clock and calender resets. I have the service manual and see where the back-up battery is. I was just wondering what kind of battery it is and if I can just replace it?
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The Wizard does not have a backup battery like other PDA's. It has a persistant memory model like a PC. I have never had to remove the battery so I guess the clock would reset.
Whether the Wizard has a battery or not there is definitely a design flaw. It always used to remember the time and date settings when removing the main battery buy after about 6 months it no longer does. this has happen on both our Wizards and many others. It's very annoying when you change sims and then have to reset the time and date.
So far nobody has been able to explain why this is happening. There are thoughts that it may be the new roms which have changed something in the power management.
Kiru, you say you have the service manual and have found / identified the backup battery? That would very interesting if there is one.
I remove my battery to move my sim to other phones quite regularly, and my clock/date settings always remain intact on my mini-s. If I look at battery stats on my SPB pocket plus, it shows 2 batterys. Main batt and backup batt. I always assumed the device had a backup battery to store date/time settings.....
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The Wizard does not have a backup battery like other PDA's. It has a persistant memory model like a PC. I have never had to remove the battery so I guess the clock would reset.
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The wizard does have a back up battery. If you look in the service manual it shows where it is. My wizard used to hold the time and date when changing battery....just lately is hasn't been doing it......just want to know what kind of battery it has so I can see if I can change it myself...
here is the manul for anyone that wants it....I remember it was posted here b4....
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=I1TA10AE
Look on page 37 and you will see what I mean..
Rutter said:
I remove my battery to move my sim to other phones quite regularly, and my clock/date settings always remain intact on my mini-s. If I look at battery stats on my SPB pocket plus, it shows 2 batterys. Main batt and backup batt. I always assumed the device had a backup battery to store date/time settings.....
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He's talking about the small backup battery inside the device. If your sure Wizard has a backup battey, then yes its removable.
The type of battery, and volt is labeled on either side of the battery.
Just my $.02...
If this problem is less than a year old try warranty repair options?
Also, you can set the phone to update its time and date from the cell tower. I've never set the clock on my device it just nabs that information from the cell tower. Should happen as soon as you get a signal instantly...
The setting for it is under Phone -> Time Zones
Hope those help...
As i'm sure the backup battery is only used for the RTC (Real Time Clock) since the device is now persistent storage...
kiru said:
The wizard does have a back up battery. If you look in the service manual it shows where it is. My wizard used to hold the time and date when changing battery....just lately is hasn't been doing it......just want to know what kind of battery it has so I can see if I can change it myself...
here is the manul for anyone that wants it....I remember it was posted here b4....
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=I1TA10AE
Look on page 37 and you will see what I mean..
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I clicked on this link and it showed me a file name Wizard_Service_Manual.pdf, but no way to download it!
To download from that site, you have to type in the security key shown on that page. Then a time will begin and after 60 seconds, you'll be allowed to download the file by right clicking and selecting 'save as...'
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To download from that site, you have to type in the security key shown on that page. Then a time will begin and after 60 seconds, you'll be allowed to download the file by right clicking and selecting 'save as...'
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Just follow what FESCSteve said...and it should work....if not....then send me a pm and I can email it out to you
When i switched my mainboard my back up battery was dead, but after a couple days its back to normal, so i guess just keep charging your device and the back up battery will work again.
as for replacing it, it's soldered on so you'll have to unsolder it to replace it.
At page 37 of the service manual you can see about a "Golden Cap". It is not a battery, it is an high capacity capacitor. It works like a battery but has never to be replaced because it (should be) is charged by internal circuitry from main battery.
Aikon
okay I managed to get my internal battery working once again!!!.....I think is drained due to the fact that I don't charge my batteries with my phone, but use a desktop charger. I then plugged my phone into the charger for about 24 hours, and finally, the back battery is charging (as to what pocket breeze says) It still isn't 100% charged, but it seems to be holding the time and date again!!!... just fyi I have 3 batteries for my wizard and never charge them using the phone....so that could have been my problem.
same problem here
kiru said:
okay I managed to get my internal battery working once again!!!.....I think is drained due to the fact that I don't charge my batteries with my phone, but use a desktop charger. I then plugged my phone into the charger for about 24 hours, and finally, the back battery is charging (as to what pocket breeze says) It still isn't 100% charged, but it seems to be holding the time and date again!!!... just fyi I have 3 batteries for my wizard and never charge them using the phone....so that could have been my problem.
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Last week my battery was totally empty so I had to charge it using my 220V charger.. At that time I also found out that my internal battery is empty when I exchange SIM cards. Last Sunday I charged my SPV M3000 for like15-20 hours but I still have the same problem...
What more can I do to make it work again?
I have same problem with my O2 Mini S. I charged it with the wall charger for around 18 hours although it took just 2 hours to get the the main battery fully charged. The date/time still reset when I plugged it out and removed the main battery.
Anybody kindly help please. Thanks so much in advance.
too bad my problem came back again....and I don't know why.....when I left my phone charging almost all day, my battery meter says my backup battery is 75% full.....then when i changed my battery.....all my clocks reset again...it's gets really annyoing especially if you change batteries alot. But does this only happen when people are using spare batteries?..and always swapping back and fourth?, I rarely use the phone to charge my battery as i have a desktop charger.
kiru said:
too bad my problem came back again....and I don't know why.....when I left my phone charging almost all day, my battery meter says my backup battery is 75% full.....then when i changed my battery.....all my clocks reset again...it's gets really annyoing especially if you change batteries alot. But does this only happen when people are using spare batteries?..and always swapping back and fourth?, I rarely use the phone to charge my battery as i have a desktop charger.
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It seems that there really is a backup battery (capacitor) that can be damaged. I have read the Wizard service manual and this little component has to be replaced if this problem still occurs :-(....
both mine and my wife's wizards are only charged by the mains charger and they both loose the time and date settings when changing sims. This problem started about 6 months after having the phones so I think some component seems to fail after a while as there are many reports of this happening.
All I can say is that it's very annoying as I travel frequently and change sims often.
As for getting the time from the cell tower, this doesn't work for me for some reason.
sunseaker said:
both mine and my wife's wizards are only charged by the mains charger and they both loose the time and date settings when changing sims. This problem started about 6 months after having the phones so I think some component seems to fail after a while as there are many reports of this happening.
All I can say is that it's very annoying as I travel frequently and change sims often.
As for getting the time from the cell tower, this doesn't work for me for some reason.
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Unfortunatly I have the same problem. When changing the sim and thus removing the battery I lose the time and date setting. I charge my phone by the mains charger or sometimes by an USB port.
Perhaps it has to do with the new ROM I use? I recently upgraded to the molski rom. Perfect ROM by the way.
rmulders said:
Perhaps it has to do with the new ROM I use? I recently upgraded to the molski rom. Perfect ROM by the way.
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I don't think it's the ROMs. I still use the original WWE I-Mate rom (2.16, the one and only update they did so far). It's possible that the ROM introduced the problem but then everyone using the ROM would have the problem which is not the case I believe.

My battery status always showing 100% - help!

Hi!
Just changed to a new 3rd-party battery and I was told to charge it for 10hrs before use. So I did. I left it overnight and guess what?
Now, I my battery status always showing at 100% - never drop even after hours of using. I even took out the battery and put it back but it still remains at 100%
Short of hard resetting is there any way to modify the registry setting temporary to get rid of this nuisance
Any help? Thanks
This has been dealt with on the Universal Accessories part of the forum - search there and you will see a long discussion about. You probably have a duff battery.
FOSA said:
Hi!
Just changed to a new 3rd-party battery and I was told to charge it for 10hrs before use. So I did. I left it overnight and guess what?
Now, I my battery status always showing at 100% - never drop even after hours of using. I even took out the battery and put it back but it still remains at 100%
Short of hard resetting is there any way to modify the registry setting temporary to get rid of this nuisance
Any help? Thanks
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Is it a Cameron Sino battery? I've had 3 and they all do this. I think it's just a fault with their batteries.
Cheers,
Steve.
My advice to you is to get an extended battery.
I had problems with all the generic batteries (even the ones that look like the original).
As soon as I got an extended battery, all the issues went away.
It's big, ugly and expensive, but at least I can use the Universal for another year until the batteries start developing problems again.
modem_man said:
My advice to you is to get an extended battery.
I had problems with all the generic batteries (even the ones that look like the original).
As soon as I got an extended battery, all the issues went away.
It's big, ugly and expensive, but at least I can use the Universal for another year until the batteries start developing problems again.
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Or simply get hold of an original battery - they work fine.
RE
Hi!
You all are right. I took my previous battery and it does show the correct status.
My new battery still can be used but I just make sure I charge it every night just in case
Thanks for the advices
Have the Same Problem with my XDA,have the original ?? & a spare battery,the same on both,Can someone post a Picture of the original battery for the o2 Exec for me ,so that I can Compare? Never know when my Exec will die on me.Thanks

Recalibrate WM6 For Mugen 3000 mA Battery

I have recently purchased a Mugen 3000 mA battery. I am thrilled with the extended battery life after fully charging and discharging it three times as recommended by the manufacturer. What I find annoying is that WM6 no longer gives accurate information regarding remaining battery strength. If I run the battery down to 2%, remove the battery and restart WM6 says 37%. At 2% I can repeat and WM6 still says 37%. After running down to 2% a third time and repeating WM6 says around 10%. After that it varies a bit but you get the picture.
What I would like to know is if one of you geniuses out there has discovered a registry edit, hack or 3rd party software that will provide accurate battery info so I don't have to be distracted by having my battery say 2% for hours on end or repeatedly remove and restart.
BTW, BatteryStatus Ver. 1.04.200 beta2 build 0173 reports the same incorrect info and so does SPB Mobile Shell 1.5 Home Tab.
Thanks in advance for your informed guidance. OK, that is laying it on a bit thick but I always highly recommend this site to anyone I know interested in really learning how to take full advantage of that little computer in their pocket.
Take a search on XDA for Ariel monitor maybe it solves your problem.
Thanks for the suggestion. It is a nice little program but it suffers from the same problem. I suspect I need to find a way to change the mA capacity WM6 bases it's battery calculations. I don't know if that can be done with a registry edit or if there is a third party battery monitor that has an option to change the battery capacity for calculation of percentage remaining or better yet auto detects the actual battery capacity. Ideally it would be able to both accurately read remaining percentage and make reasonably accurate time remaining estimates based on current and historical battery drain data.
It is like driving a car with a broken gas gage. Sure, you can use the odometer to estimate how much gas you have left but you are always worried your estimate is off and you will be left stranded without a phone ... oops crossed metaphors.
How do the rest of the users with extended batteries handle this irritating situation?
Bump. I can't believe i'm the only one with this problem.
I know this problem also i will wait with buying a high capacy battery until i find such a hack
The Kaiser uses a smartbattery. The battery capacity is based on the information that a small processor inside the battery tells the phone's main processor. There are several things that could be the problem:
1. The small processor in the 3rd party battery is programmed with the old specs for the standard battery. The is nothing you could do about this.
2. The small processor needs to be calibrated. You would do this as follows; set your phone to never turn off no matter how low the battery got. Now, run the phone down until the thing dies from lack of power. Then charge it all the way up. This should fix that issue. I don't recomend doing it many times, because it is not good for Lion batteries to be fully discharged too often.
This is a very valid issue which I have faced many times when using a 3rd party extended battery with other phones.
Not sure how to solve it though, although I have the 3000mah on order myself.
I think the battery reading is given by the battery itself, and most of these 3rd party manufacturers don't really care to put a smart processor in the battery (to reduce costs/make it smaller/etc).
I have the exact same issue and although it is a nuisance, I have found a workaround to keep using the phone. Simply physically removing the battery and replacing it will increase your remaining battery power substantially. I normally wait till the first low battery reminder to do this. Also, how do I set the phone to never turn off no matter how low the battery gets? This would also be fine with me.
utbiglall said:
I have the exact same issue and although it is a nuisance, I have found a workaround to keep using the phone. Simply physically removing the battery and replacing it will increase your remaining battery power substantially. I normally wait till the first low battery reminder to do this. Also, how do I set the phone to never turn off no matter how low the battery gets? This would also be fine with me.
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I didn't run into this issue until I reflashed my ROM to one with W6.1. Then, rather than get 12-13 hrs with my 3amp battery, I'd get 6. I used my original battery, but when I put the 3amp back in, I still had 47% left.
It's the ROM, and until there's a fix, it would be a pain to pull and replace the battery just to work around. I've done this several times recently when I'm on battery power, but I'd rather not.
Anybody heard of any other fixes, outside monitor, or do we wait until we get a Windows Mobile 6.1 fix?
Still no luck?
Hello,
Has anyone been able to find a solution for this. I am ordering the extended battery today. I will try to fully discharge it and then recharge it as was suggested and report back.
I emailed Mugen. We went back and forth with them trying to troubleshoot whether it's the battery or OS. They were clueless, but did offer an RMA to replace the battery. I pay the postage. Not sure if I'll send it back if it's the OS. I pull and replace the battery right now. It's a real pain, and I hate opening the case so much, but it's the only way I can get an accurate read.
PhoenixAG said:
This is a very valid issue which I have faced many times when using a 3rd party extended battery with other phones.
Not sure how to solve it though, although I have the 3000mah on order myself.
I think the battery reading is given by the battery itself, and most of these 3rd party manufacturers don't really care to put a smart processor in the battery (to reduce costs/make it smaller/etc).
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The processor is required for these types of lithium ion batteries because it regulates the charging of the battery. If it didn't the battery would not charge properly, or maybe not even charge at all.
There is no solution for now, people from other forums tries to patch battdrvr.dll.
But two things may help a little:
1.You may completely disable battery monitoring
HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\Battery rename or remove string battdrvr.dll
But you lost monitoring completely.
2. change HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\Battery\Order change value from 15 (in my case) to 0. - After this battery lasts longer until power off.
There is not complete hardware or software solution for this problem. We need to wait.
Low Battery warning:
By default, a PPC will sound a warning sound when the battery is running low (10%, fixed value), but there's no way to disable or change the notification. To enable this, so that it is visible in the "Sounds & Notifications" control panel, set:
HKCU\ControlPanel\Notifications\{A877D663-239C-47a7-9304-0D347F580408}\Default = "Low battery warning" (REGSZ string, no quotes)
Anybody have any updates on this? I have noticed this more on WM6.1, but it was still an issue on WM6. I just find this so annoying!
Is there any radio that can fix this? I noiced that this battery reading issue only occurs when the Phone Signal is on. When off, it never happens to me. Or it seems. So it has something to do with the radio.
bump, anyone got a solution?
this is very interesting, i bought the seidio 3200 battery i am having the same problems. i just tired the
change HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\Battery\Order change value from 15 (in my case) to 0
i am going to see how that works out throughout the day
Tried It
I am having same issue, reset the registry key to "0" and ran for a full day, no change, still incorrect reading. I have a 2700 Mah battery and the charge indicater is completely wrong on it. I have cycled the battery as per reccoemndations, but still get wrong power remaining readings. Can remove the battery and resets itselft to a more correct reading.
I am out of ideas, guess we need someone from HTC to chime in with a hardware fix.
MWS
ms0529 said:
I am having same issue, reset the registry key to "0" and ran for a full day, no change, still incorrect reading. I have a 2700 Mah battery and the charge indicater is completely wrong on it. I have cycled the battery as per reccoemndations, but still get wrong power remaining readings. Can remove the battery and resets itselft to a more correct reading.
I am out of ideas, guess we need someone from HTC to chime in with a hardware fix.
MWS
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i have tried it too and it still does the same thing. i would still need to pull the battery and restart the device for the batt meter to get a more accurate reading. i could do it about 3 times before the battery dies completely.
is there this problem with all extended batteries or just with the larger ones?
the reason I ask is that I've got a $17 credit at Amazon and was thinking of grabbing a 1600mah battery, it's only like $22 with ship so I'll only pay a few bucks for it really...
I wanted to get the larger one but it's fat and won't fit standard carrying case, but the 1600 is slim and will fit in place a regular battery

Battery percentage does not tally with the status bar's icon

what i mean is, i'll see the battery logo up on the status bar at 75% (3/4 bar) and think that i have ~75% amount of battery usage left.
i'll then check the battery numbers in the settings and my battery is at ~40% lol.
well i'm running a jm5 stock rom, rooted. anyone having that issue?
i'll try to run the battery low till it offs and monitor the values again.
Jup, I also noticed this, but no biggie, I think this is Android standard.
Definitely NOT defective IMHO.
If you feel frustrated by this use this little app: Battery Indicator
ye i'm using that, i was just wondering which numbers are at fault there. lol. oh well. such paradox in my status bar. thanks for the quick reply.
Adevem said:
what i mean is, i'll see the battery logo up on the status bar at 75% (3/4 bar) and think that i have ~75% amount of battery usage left.
i'll then check the battery numbers in the settings and my battery is at ~40% lol.
well i'm running a jm5 stock rom, rooted. anyone having that issue?
i'll try to run the battery low till it offs and monitor the values again.
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The way I believe it works, and I might have the percentages slightly wrong is, especially the way they get rounded:
Actual/Graph
>79%/100%
50-79%/75%
25-49%/50%
>25%/25%
So, yes, you are always getting a readout that isn't very telling and is a step-gradual reading. The time you have the most information is right around, if/when you see a change. Other than that it can be barely more telling than a sundial .
Wrong info is in the notification bar (graphic battery). I've noticed the change upgrading to JM5 from JG5. Downgrading back to JG5 reverses the situation, which means the change is in framework-res.apk.
It is a change Samsung obviously did on purpose, but I wouldn't know why they settled for the worse...
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
well imma try flashing to jpjg8 after my songs are done transferring. gonna check that firmware out...

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