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Google wallet tap and pay Note 4?

Figured I would throw this out there.
Does anyone know if the tap and pay feature works on the note 4?
Yeah I know you can use softcard but I would rather give Google the business cause I didn't like how the providers wouldn't let Google wallet work unless hacked. Plus like the fact you can just use any credit card or debit card and not have to deal with selective cards and or American express.
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I've been wondering the same thing.

delcopa said:
Figured I would throw this out there.
Does anyone know if the tap and pay feature works on the note 4?
Yeah I know you can use softcard but I would rather give Google the business cause I didn't like how the providers wouldn't let Google wallet work unless hacked. Plus like the fact you can just use any credit card or debit card and not have to deal with selective cards and or American express.
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Google Wallet is all but dead. It's not the carrier's fault. It's because Google's in the advertising business and wanted to track financial transaction data that the card issuers felt was too invasive. Softcard has a very good chance of succeeding because: A) the sponsoring carrier's want it to, B) they play nice with the financial industry, and C) thanks to Apple, NFC is suddenly the "answer" to electronic payments.
An article on Google Wallet's failure...
To understand why Google Wallet has not taken off, I talked to some of my contacts in the major banks and they explained that it came down to Google's business model. When Google approached the banks and asked them to support Google Wallet, it explained that part of their support meant that they would also feed data back to Google on what people bought and other personal data that Google could use to serve targeted ads. Besides privacy issues, the banks were not thrilled about being forced into a position to feed all types of shopping data back to Google just so Google could make money on ads. Consequently, most banks were not willing to play the middleman and in most cases would not fully support Google Wallet.​​
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2469362,00.asp
When Google/Android were younger they were seen as the underdog against Apple, Microsoft, and Blackberry in the mobile space. Now that they're mature, their thirst for revenue growth is beginning to expose the fact that users of their products and tools are nothing more than data sources with that data being sold to the highest bidder. Google's no longer cute, folksy, or an underdog. They and Facebook are probably two of the largest collectors of personal data being used to generate profit. I love Android the product. Its owners, their behavior, their business model, and lack of transparency not so much.

Softcard is nice & works fine, other than the fact that every banking & credit card I own is incompatible with it & has to be routed through AmEx's Serve card, which doesn't give me the opportunity to choose my method of payment/funding on the fly like I can with Google Wallet. If they would fix that, I'd have no problem using them.

LaRosa217 said:
Softcard is nice & works fine, other than the fact that every banking & credit card I own is incompatible with it & has to be routed through AmEx's Serve card, which doesn't give me the opportunity to choose my method of payment/funding on the fly like I can with Google Wallet. If they would fix that, I'd have no problem using them.
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Financial institutions taking electronic payments seriously is kind of "chicken and egg." Do they invest tons of money in infrastructure hoping that "if they build it they will come" or, instead of being an early adopter, choose to be a "strong follower" once those that went first do the heavy lifting and prove the opportunity? Apple's embracing of electronic payments and NFC has changed the game. You'll see merchants and financial institutions falling all over themselves now to get on the electronic payment bandwagon. We, NFC-equipped Android users, will see the benefit even though Google Wallet itself may not.

I know the tap and pay is working on my son's S5. Still hoping for it on the note 4. My other soon has it on his htc also. So I know it isn't dead working on 2 newer phones after the note 3.
@barry that's what I like about it you have a choice to use pretty much ANY card or bank where softcard your extremely limited.
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delcopa said:
I know the tap and pay is working on my son's S5. Still hoping for it on the note 4. My other soon has it on his htc also. So I know it isn't dead working on 2 newer phones after the note 3.
@barry that's what I like about it you have a choice to use pretty much ANY card or bank where softcard your extremely limited.
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When I said "dead" I was referring to its future not its current state. Strategically, the financial industry has better options (for them) that don't require feeding customer data back to Google. All Google's initiatives tie back to supporting their advertising driven revenue model. With their customer data collection objective stone walled what reason do they have to get in to electronic payments? The establishment's embracing of Apple Pay comes from their non-intrusive and non-competitive model and that anything they pay in transaction fees to Apple is offset by a reduction in fraud pay-outs. Why do you think Apple Pay's been so well received (B2B) and Google was stone walled? Outside of Isis/Softcard which is blessed by the financial industry because it's non-disruptive, the only other payment initiative with any heft going on is CurrentC ( http://www.nfcworld.com/2014/09/03/...-payments-venture-mcx-unveils-currentc-brand/ ). It's merchant-driven ($3 trillion in revenue generated by its sponsors) with their goal being to blow-up the financial payment status-quo to lower their fees.
So who's going to succeed?
Apple's "God" and has made nice with the financial industry, doesn't hurt merchants, reduces fraud, and delivers a high-value demographic in massive quantities (10M Apple Pay capable devices were sold in three days).
Softcard which is financial industry friendly, open to any credit card issuer to join, and is sponsored by the wireless carriers which control end-user access.
CurrentC which is merchant driven and who, at the end of the day, are more important to credit card issuers than credit card issuers are to them.
Google Wallet which was launched to gather even more relevant customer behavioral data to sell to advertisers and was never embraced by either the financial industry, the wireless carriers, or merchants.
PayPal's mobile strategy seems a mess. I downloaded their app on my phone and Gear and still couldn't figure out how or why I'd want to use it.
Samsung Wallet is the biggest cluster of a piece of s/w I've ever seen. Its been updated a half-dozen times and its UI/UX is still a mess and unless there was a huge incentive I can't imagine using it for anything. I see it going the way of Samsung Music, Video, and Books eventually.
So it's a three horse race in the U.S. - Apple Pay, Softcard, and CurrentC. None will be exclusive and will probably come to co-exist just as Visa, Mastercard, Amex, and Discover co-exist as card issuers. At the end of the day no one will intentionally stand in the way of a customer sale and none of this is important enough to make a customer use or avoid a specific merchant based on their specific acceptance or rejection of one form of electronic payment or another. The next few years should be fun; especially when every payment terminal in the U.S. is being replaced to support chip-and-pen and will probably all be NFC equipped to be future proof. That'll particularly help Softcard which can rapidly build up an audience which, along with Apple's validation of NFC, should attract card issuers and financial institutions that may have been on the fence. It all comes down to who own/controls the audience and infrastructure. Google and Samsung own neither. PayPal has some infrastructure but its non-parallel.

I would never rule anyone out in the tech field. Things change too quickly just ask blackberry they were the only thing business used. Then MS and apple cane into play for phones. When Google did they were the so called ugly step child. Now blackberry and MS are hurting majorly in the phone business and now there are more android phones worldwide then anyone.
But still doesn't mean anything cause the next great idea could come from an unknown company tomorrow.
I also seem to remember the note when it came out. They also all said it's too big, it's ugly, no one would want it. Even apple busted on it and now, who has the last laugh cause everyone is making the phones bigger just like the note.
I didn't want a debate or opinions cause guess what everyone has one. My only question was WILL TAP AND PLAY WORK WITH THE NOTE 4. Which you still haven't answered. And would you please not high jack my thread unless you can actually answer the question which is why this thread was created.
I can create another thread for a debate on electronic wallets of you would like.
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Just used google wallet tap and pay on my new Att note4 at grocery store.

I have used tap and pay twice, both times it was very quick.
Just open Google Wallet, input your pin, and touch to the NFC, should work fine.
I used it at a Whataburger and a Walgreens.

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UK investigatory powers bill - Google security updates/patches

In light of the new Investigatory powers act 2016 that has come into effect in UK, the new legislation stipulates that any telecommunications operator or electronic communication device manufacturer/software programme, has to include a backdoor access to allow decryption for probing and ''equipment inteference' by the relevant governing bodies.
This applies to all communication/device manufacturers/software that is currently sold in the UK.
The legislation also requires that any further software updates or new communication equipment be made available to certain governing bodies before the sale of software/devices, to allow a review and insertion of backdoor access, whether physically or via software programming.
Is anybody familiar with how this will apply to Google/android and the regular security updates that are provided to these devices? Will google promptly follow the requirements for this legislation, which would mean, the next security update will include this backdoor access?
This raises major concerns for the security and privacy for all google/android based handsets that are sold within the UK, as over 50 government organisations will be allowed to request probing and bypass of any encryption. What concerns me more so, is the misuse of this backdoor access by rogue hackers that unfortunately, may now be able to hack devices more easily with this backdoor access enforced by this new legislation.
As far as I am aware, other manufacturer software updates for their handsets are never as rapid as googles own devices to receive these updates, and I am thinking, does this mean the implementation of this backdoor access will be likely to be included in either December 2016 or January 2017?
Will google issue this backdoor access for only handsets connected in the UK or will it be a worldwide update?
If anybody has any relevant information to elucidate me on this, it would be greatly appreciated, as unfortunately, the new legislation also includes a gagging clause, which prohibits any manufacturer or software programme/oS, from revealing if/when a backdoor access has been initialized.

Wow. If this is true, and I were Google, Apple etc. I would not adhere to this local legislation. How hard is it for the local authorities to prove they need the info on a device in order to get a court order to get access to said device? Sounds to me like they just want an excuse to probe any and all devices regardless of their need for the info on them.
Edit: I just looked it up, it doesn't seem to state anything about manufacturers having to allow a back door. It states that the government has the authority to hack, look for and retain personal information. So in short, no. Google will not allow this. The UK will have to learn to hack their way in just like anyone else.
Also, Canada has basically been doing this for quite some time.. maybe not to the extent the UK wants to..

k.s.deviate said:
Wow. If this is true, and I were Google, Apple etc. I would not adhere to this local legislation. How hard is it for the local authorities to prove they need the info on a device in order to get a court order to get access to said device? Sounds to me like they just want an excuse to probe any and all devices regardless of their need for the info on them.
Edit: I just looked it up, it doesn't seem to state anything about manufacturers having to allow a back door. It states that the government has the authority to hack, look for and retain personal information. So in short, no. Google will not allow this. The UK will have to learn to hack their way in just like anyone else.
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For reference, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/30/investigatory_powers_act_backdoors/
I have a copy of the new leglislation, but it is a 300+ page document. It is quite frightening.
You can view it online, it specifically states about ''backdoor access''.
If anyone has ANY information on how this will effect android security and when google will implement this, please share

newsbtc.com/2016/12/11/investigatory-powers-act-decentralized-internet/
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So I'm assuming this will either effect the pixel/nexus updates, or the next pixel successor, or even both

This legislation has come into effect from today.
Google, as well as practically all telecoms manufacturers and telecoms service providers are affected.
Cannot really trust the security offered from updates from now on unfortunately.

Good luck enforcing something like this when there is no way to ensure a encryption system with a back door is actually secure.
What is the UK going to do when Google and other software companies say no. Have them stop providing their goods to the UK? Maybe there will be no pixel updates or new phones for the UK market?
How are banks and other financial institutions which risk substantial loss because of an insecure encryption system going to react? No more online banking or financial transactions?

krelvinaz said:
Good luck enforcing something like this when there is no way to ensure a encryption system with a back door is actually secure.
What is the UK going to do when Google and other software companies say no. Have them stop providing their goods to the UK? Maybe there will be no pixel updates or new phones for the UK market?
How are banks and other financial institutions which risk substantial loss because of an insecure encryption system going to react? No more online banking or financial transactions?
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It seems like the legislation stipulates and enforces any telecommunications provider/manufacturer to provide a accessible route into devices for something classified as "equipment interference", which in layman terms, is basically legalised hacking.
If a notice is served to the provider/manufacturer, they must comply otherwise it is unlawful. The legislation also stipulates that it is unlawful to declare that a notice has been served, which in essence means that we will never know or have any knowledge of this occurring.
Quite a sinister draconian piece of legislation if you ask me.

I have a hard time believing Google or Apple will just hand them the keys . Apple wouldn't even let American government access. Amazon won't give cops access to a murder they think was recorded on a Amazon echo

FYI the US government is on the same path. We should all be concerned and demand that elected officials work to reverse these trends.

Besides the privacy issue I personally don't have anything I'm worried about. Don't get me wrong, the privacy part of it is major as I value it more than 90% of life so I'm not saying "who cares". I'm also not in Europe so I'm really not worried. That is until the US goes public with it. That being said, unless there is a hardware backdoor implemented, it won't last long. If it's coded in software it'll be found and removed. So unless it's software based and you stay stock unrooted, there's nothing to worry about.
It does kinda seem funny that after this comes around, updates have been pushed with a second European carrier fix update though.

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ackdoor-allows-snooping-on-encrypted-messages
"In the UK, the recently passed Investigatory Powers Act allows the government to intercept bulk data of users held by private companies, without suspicion of criminal activity, similar to the activity of the US National Security Agency uncovered by the Snowden revelations. The government also has the power to force companies to “maintain technical capabilities” that allow data collection through hacking and interception, and requires companies to remove “electronic protection” from data. Intentional or not, WhatsApp’s backdoor to the end-to-end encryption could be used in such a way to facilitate government interception.
Jim Killock, executive director of Open Rights Group, said: “If companies claim to offer end-to-end encryption, they should come clean if it is found to be compromised – whether through deliberately installed backdoors or security flaws. In the UK, the Investigatory Powers Act means that technical capability notices could be used to compel companies to introduce flaws – which could leave people’s data vulnerable.”

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Huawei---a "spy and security" risk? I love their stuff and think this is BS

Huawei---a "spy and security" risk? I love their stuff and think this is BS
https://www.fastcompany.com/40530898/six-u-s-intelligence-agencies-warn-against-using-huawei-phones
Six intelligence officials, including the heads of the CIA, FBI, and NSA, have told the Senate Intelligence Committee that they would not recommend that U.S. citizens use smartphones from the Chinese companies Huawei and ZTE, reports CNBC. As FBI director Chris Wray told the committee:
“We’re deeply concerned about the risks of allowing any company or entity that is beholden to foreign governments that don’t share our values to gain positions of power inside our telecommunications networks. That provides the capacity to exert pressure or control over our telecommunications infrastructure. It provides the capacity to maliciously modify or steal information. And it provides the capacity to conduct undetected espionage.”
In response to the intelligence officials warnings, a spokesperson for Huawei said:
“Huawei is aware of a range of U.S. government activities seemingly aimed at inhibiting Huawei’s business in the U.S. market. Huawei is trusted by governments and customers in 170 countries worldwide and poses no greater cybersecurity risk than any ICT vendor, sharing as we do common global supply chains and production capabilities.”
Huawei has been trying to enter the U.S. market as of late. One failed attempt saw a partnership with AT&T later called off.

I posted about this a few weeks back when the US deals were cancelled, the mod promptly closed the thread.
I have the phone but no way i'd trust the company.
Went to sign up for HI Care yesterday.
"This feature requires permission to be enabled
(CONTACTS)
I checked permissions after allowing it, it also enabled access to phone in permissions.
Why do you suppose they require that

The Reasoning Is Simple..
Of Course The U.S. Goverment Does Not Want You To Purchase A Device From A Country That May Be Able To Spy On Us...
They'd much more perfer you purchase your devices from a country that has aligned with the United States.
Devices from Samsung & LG.. whose World Headquarters are based in South Korea fit this paradigm.
This way, they would have the option to inject spyware that can spy on you...
Big Brother is ALWAYS watching. :angel:

http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/14/technology/huawei-intelligence-chiefs/index.html
Not liking this. We have plenty of other options. I shall be strongly considering replacing this device. Might reconsider keeping it if a Resurrection Remix ROM surfaces soon.
I have 2.5 weeks to decide before the Amazon 5eturn period ends.

Why would the Uk, Germany and many other European countries allow Huawei and ZTE on their Telecom's if there was an espionage risk? I mean these are NATO countries. If is good for them, why isn't it good for us? As far as I know, Huawei is one of the biggest provider of telecom equipment. So I get it, they don't want Huawei to be part of the new 5G infrastructure. We do know that our Telecoms lobbied really hard to repeal net neutrality. Who loses?

zener773 said:
Why would the Uk, Germany and many other European countries allow Huawei and ZTE on their Telecom's if there was an espionage risk? I mean these are NATO countries. If is good for them, why isn't it good for us? As far as I know, Huawei is one of the biggest provider of telecom equipment. So I get it, they don't want Huawei to be part of the new 5G infrastructure. We do know that our Telecoms lobbied really hard to repeal net neutrality. Who loses?
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When Xiaomi launched itself in India with some attractive budget phones, they faced the same type of criticism that they are stealing data from users but after that everything faded in the background and now it's one of the top selling brands.
I still don't understand as it's quoted above, If it's really that bad then why wouldn't other countries be concerned?? I guess, Recently, Indian govt. Advised that especially govt.officials, Army and such officials should stay away from Chinese Phones though.
I have honor 7X and I love stock/custom Roms. I'm looking to switch to a custom ROM because I guess I have another reason to do so. What do you think guys?

Unless the govt forces a pullout from the market, I think it's just politics. I found this article about Telus/Huawei testing their 5G rollout in Canada. Ihttps://venturebeat.com/2018/02/14/huawei-and-telus-test-fixed-5g-in-homes-paving-way-for-canadian-rollout/amp/

zener773 said:
Unless the govt forces a pullout from the market, I think it's just politics. I found this article about Telus/Huawei testing their 5G rollout in Canada. Ihttps://venturebeat.com/2018/02/14/huawei-and-telus-test-fixed-5g-in-homes-paving-way-for-canadian-rollout/amp/
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Personally, cell phones are a huge business and lots of money floating around....which leads to businesses like Apple, Samsung, LG etc left in the dark if they have to compete with a $199 phone...theirs are in the $800 range. What can they do? Somehow persuade the masses that they are a threat on spying on your phone---as if our government does not already do this....I have a strong distrust for our media and the propaganda of our government officials in the "higher up" areas.
Also, if Samsung is spying through your SMART tv I'm sure they would not do it on any other of their products... (SARC)