Unusual memory message on Wing WM6 - Wing, P4350 General

So I was using IE to look at the latest threads on xda-dev site and a weird error message pops up on the screen saying that memory was critically low and tha I had to close one of the open apps. I only had IE open at the time. The message listed the name of the running apps next to a radio button. I had to select an app to close by clicking on the corresponding radio button. The weird thing is, the list looked like this (* stands for radio button):
* Internet Explorer
* Phone
* Phone
* Phone
* Phone
* Phone
I selected the radio button next to the first instance of "Phone" and the error message went way and I was able to continue browsing in the IE session I was in. The strange thing is that it had several instances of "phone" in there. I had made several calls before this happened.. It looks like the software is opening a new instance of the phone app every time the phone is used, until the device runs out of memory. This may be the reason for the mysterious disappearance of memory on the wing. Anyone else experience this or something like it? Any expert opinions as to what this is about? Are there any apps out there that would allow me to see all running processes on my device, something like Windows Task Manager? The one that is included only shows user processes, not system or hidden ones.
Thanks for any info!

Have it too
I have the same experience with my P4350 and WM5 I didn't find any solution but honestly I didn't look for it yet.

Yup I've had the same thing happen. The Phone'S don't show up in the task manager and they only show up when you run out of memory! Phone doesn't take up that much memory but I can see it having a mild affect.

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caller id monitor

Hi i have problem some times caller id show just number when someone call me sometimes(same number) show name from contacts how to fixit
Same thing here...
Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not... Actually it has only worked a couple of times...
At first I thought I was closing the ID Contact Monitor when I used an application close button (Battery Back from Omega One). But then I noticed that it still does not work even without the app closer.
Any clues?
I believe that this is probably down to the 32 process limitation of WM2003 on the XDAII 28 processes open automatically as you open programs the XDAII will close what it thinks isn't needed any more.
Can anyone confirm? :?
Hmmm... It could very well be that... :roll:
If you don't use the "permanent save" feature, then you can delete the 4 flashman files out of the \windows\startup folder.
this gives 4 more process slots. Making the number of running processes at startup more in line with a normal XDA.
wasting 4 process slots on 4 different programs that do the same thing to 4 different databases is rediculous. Having them running even when the feature is turned off is also rediculous.
..Chuck..
Yes, thanks... I deleted the task I don't use and now IACaller is working fine ever since...
Thanks!
I've upgraded to the new ROM, and only the lesser 19 processes now, meant to alleviate this problem.
In addition, it's a newer fix of Caller ID.
And even more, I removed the FOUR flashman/mem processes from startup too.
And even then, I find after just half a day of running apps and stuff, Caller ID no longer shows a photo, and requires a reboot to work properly.
Not happy at all, not in the slightest. Not in the least bit impressed, because i see little else that can be done to fix this, so no likliehood of a solution.
VERY poor to say the least.
Shadamehr,
Are you using an application closer like Pocket Plus or Wisbar?
If not, I suggest you use one. Remember that whithout an app closer you are consuming valuable resources and the X only minimizes them.
Best regards,
Rayan
I was using SideBarX.
What I find however, is that this is the WORSE thing to use, as it closes ALL apps, so if the Caller ID HAD happened to just recently update itself, it would close that too, so in effect, closing the very thing with any potential to fix things.
Alas, I find the only thing that works, is to do a soft reset twice or three times a day.
Not a great loss given how quick re-boot time is, but a bit of a stupid solution nonetheless.
Additionally, I find another slight issue, in that if I get an SMS, when I click the notification envelope on the top bar to open it (if I had left it, not catching it straight away, so the first pop up of it had already gone) then the 'speech bubble' that appears with the message in, is REALLY slow now after the new ROM update, taking a second or two to draw itself properly. I can see the outline of the bubble for a fair while before the bubble 'draws' on screen properly.
Sadly however, it even does this after a soft reset to speed things up, so I am very concerned about this aspect of things.
It worked a lot faster before the update.
The rest of the update has been a good thing for me, but I am a bit angry about the Caller ID problem still being here at least for me, but more worryingly, I am concerned at the apparent speed slow down for some things! Especially as I have read tales of others experiencing this too.
But overall, its nothing earth-shattering I guess.
Shadamehr,
As far as the CallerID problem, at first I was having the same problems but I managed to fix this by removing unwanted items on the startup folder (remember the 32 process limit?) and by using Pocket Plus, since it allows you to exclude CallerID from closing.
I also use ScaryBear Software's Check Notifications to remove duplicate events on my system's databases.
Good luck!
Rayan
Pocket Plus? Cheers mate - I'll go search now.
Here's hoping it works.
Also, the new ROM is only meant to have 19 things running. I have further removed the four flashman files from startup.
Do you know of anything else I can remove?
Cheers mate.
Can't find Pocket Plus mate (at least not as a free app).
Any link for me please?
I don't remember what things where in the Startup folder but this is the stuff I have now:
CheckAutoRun.lnk <--- No idea what this is for
ChgDfLnk.lnk <--- No idea what this is for
ClearTemp.lnk <--- I installed this
IA_Caller_ID.lnk
MMReg.lnk <--- No idea what this is for
Pocket Plus.lnk
Poutlook.lnk
Stk.lnk
VoiceCommand.lnk <--- Microsoft's Voice Command
Cheers and good luck!
Rayan
You can find it here http://www.handango.com/SearchRedirect.jsp?siteId=1&jid=2BD54724B6D87D58BA6CB6BA8BB79B81
Cheers!
Hi all,
I've the problem with with my XDA II and IA Caller ID. It works for one or two hours and then impossible to see a picture. The only thing to do is a soft reset.
I've checked the processes and I'm now with 16 processes (using PHM Task Manager to see the processes) and when the problem occurs, the IA_Caller_ID process is still active.
For information, I use WisBar advance to really close my programs and I kill ActiveSync every time I leave the XDA from the cradle.
Thanks for your help...
hello,
Do you put pictures in your SD Card ?
If yes, try with pictures in your phone memory.
I have the same problem with ringtone in my old Qtek (first generation SPV by Orange)
Sometimes, the sdcard is poweroff to preserve battery life...
test and come back ;-)
THe picture is in "/my documents" none on the SD card
Now it's new, sometimes the XDAII doesn't ring at all. The screen lights on but no ring and no information. :shock:

Phone Application

I am new to the whole PDA form so please forgive me if this is obvious but I have not found the answers on this site.
I have an O2 XDA mini s and am slowly getting the hang of it.
Problem: On closing all running programs in task manager I loose the use of the phone keypad, pressing the green call button brings up the phone application but minus the number keys, calls can still be made through contacts. A soft reset is required to recify.
?Related problem: In task manager, there are programs running that are not visible on the list (if I press below the last visible item something is selected and I can "goto" it.
Plus on occation the listed item takes me to a different program ie. selecting media player takes me to Word (no set pattern though).
All help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance
StefanF: what task manager are you using?
V
Sorry, just to clarify, PDA is "as out of the box", so just the WM5 task manager.
Thanks for your interest, I have followed several of your posts and seen your site. You have some great programs I would like to use, particually like the big phone buttons and close application tool but am quite scared of this thing.
It may be a while before I mess to deeply.
Stefan: that sounds like an odd problem.
The built in task manager is useful but not very comprehensive.
If you want to view all running tasks etc, there are much better programs out there, many are freeware. If you can't find any better, check out one I've posted here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=190257#190257
It's not written by me, I've just re-added some features.
Note - closing the phone (cprog.exe) is not a particularly good idea unless you really need it, because some other apps expect it to be loaded (eg contacts)
My programs
Some are ok. You might want to try my program VJOkButt if you just want to close apps to keep your memory healthy. But that's subject to taste and it's not clear how useful - although on the Wizard, it might be helpful.
The big phone buttons are actually just for the universal, it's not designed for Wizard. Basically it's for VGA phones that are using the ful VGA hack.
I've got some other stuff coming out soon. Stay tuned :wink:
V
Phone application
Thanks for the info.
I think, from what you have said, I need to know what I am doing to shut down the phone application as it is never my intention.
Pitty about the big button program. Why is there not full customisation of the screen (as in desktop PC's, can change the size of buttons, scroll bars... both of which are to small for finger use on this)
As a side note, when I am in an application the menus and any selections within make a click upon pressing ie. in word, Menu>Cut each selection makes a click. I have all tap sounds off but the only way I can stop it is to turn the master volume all the way down. Any ideas?
Once again, thanks.
You have to overwrite some of the default sounds with empy sounds to disable all click sounds. At least that's what I did, but that was a long time ago..basically you use your pc, make an empty .wav file, and overwrite the necessary files in your \windows\ folder. If you're interested in doing this and need more help, shout out!
Closing the phone - yes, you would probably not close it without knowing what you're doing. I presume when you're not using the task manager you're not having the phone problems?
Try a program called CETuner to help play around with your scrollbars etc. It's good for modifying colour themes and various settings on the go. Another program worth looking at is Tweak 2k .net.
V
Many thanks.
Personally i'm currently using Magic Button to close apps and act as a task manager. http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/magicbutton.shtml
It allows you to close or minimise apps, and by clicking the "house" icon on the windows bar you can also close all, soft reset etc. Final point on it is that you can see X number of running apps and touch to swap to them, or "hide when inactive" and "keep alive" so you dont close (or even see) some apps - i keep messages & phone in this state to improve response times but close use close all to kill everything else.
Danger using Task Manager
Stefan,
I had the same problem. Ideally you should use Start/Settings/System/Memory/Running Programs to close down active tasks. Yes, the Task Manager does it and you can launch it from the menu, but it is a bit dangerous (as I found out). The Phone app appears in Task Manager as an unnamed icon and its icon looks like the Windows Media Player one (at least it does on my XDA Mini S). Shutting this down will do exactly what you describe (I started a thread called 'Help I'm stuck in Contact History on this).
By all means use Task Manager if you want to, just don't shut all apps, leave the unnamed 'media player lookalike' icon.
Cheers. :wink:
To the original poster:
I had this problem when i got my XDA at first. To be honest, i think its the o2 active stuff that messes up the phone app.
My suggestion is this: back up any important data, then do a hard rerset of your phone. When the screen comes up about Standard, Corporate or Basic install choose the Corporate option and use the passcode 0506. this will allow you to use the phone without any of the o2 crap and since i done it i've had no problems with the phone.
just to let you know, this will stop the phone setting up its own GRPS and MMS settings, but if you phone o2 ar go into a shop then they will happily send them to you.
Hope this helps.
Task Manager or Active ?
I suspect that it is shutting down the phone app that's causing the issue not Active. I agree, get rid of Active if you don't like it (I use Basic so I still get the MMS settings), but I don't think Active is the cause.
Just my humble opinion of course.
I'd completely overlooked that StefanF was using o2. I'm an O2 and Orange user, but O2 active has never touched my system. Sounds like that's quite an oversight by them if the O2 Task Manager allows you to close the phone app... not recommended!
V
Oooer indeed
My friend has an XDA Exec (Universal) and he had lots of problems with the phone app which I strongly suspect were much the same thing. (although his apps in task manager were not unnamed, he had multiple phone apps running). I didn't know the Task Manager was an O2 add-on, I assumed it was a WM5 feature.

Problem with programs staying in memory

I have a problem with my new O2 XDA Mini S - it seems every time I check Settings > System > Memory > Running Programs, there's a lot of progs in there, bascially every one I've been using since the phone was turned on.
I always exit program just using the normal X in the top right (I wouldn't know any other way), yet every time I check Running Programs, they're all in there.
This is especially annoying while listening to a music clip in WMP - when I close WMP with the little X the song keeps playing.
Any ideas?
WM5's Windows Media Player has a settable option to prevent it from playing media in the background.
To close programs instead of "hiding" them, you can use a program like Magic Button.
The standard software that coms with the phone means that the 'x' does NOT actually close the program, it merely minimizes it to the background, meaning loads of running programs and a dead slow device. (the software manufacturers call it 'smart minimize'!)
Using programs like 'magic button', 'spb pocket+', or 'wisbar advance 2' (and many others I'm sure) will turn your 'x' into a button that really does close the application.
Hope this helps.
Matt
p.s let me know if it is helpful... it'll be the first time I've put something back into this site (and the first time I've been helpfull!!)

phone app not closing

Hi. I've used the phone a bit, and I have GSPocketMagic++ but the phone app won't close with the X. Plus, even worse, in the menu I can see that there are 4 instances of the phone running! i.e. Seems like every time I go to the phone interface then it has a new instance in the list. (GSPM seems to be fine and great otherwise.) Thanks.
Now with another app, I'm seeing strange behavior on the part of GSPM (not closing another app and keeping it always on top), unfortunately, I'm guessing it's GSPM but it could also be the phone app.
what do - as a sufferer of this also s use magic button - free . . it solves it about 50-6-% of the times - but this is still my main cause to reboot . . .
I wrote an app, VJPhoneToggle or something, that will close cphone.exe
I've also written a generic task killer.
However, you should know that closing cphone.exe is not advisable. On my Mio A701 it puts the phone in flight mode and prevents calls coming in.
On the HTCs, trying to commence a call from the contacts screen will cause an error.
But otherwise, it's a good way to save a bit of memory. I wuoldn't really advise it though.
re the various instances of cphone running. Probably unlikely - more likely is that the various dialogs in cphone, eg callhistory etc, show up as seperate entries.
VJOkButt can help close some of the dialogs sometimes. But VJPhoneToggle is probably what you need.
V
As Vijay was hinting - you can get rid of the app by putting the device into flight mode. But the purpose of that eludes me. It's a (Pocket PC) phone after all...
AFAIK
MB doesn't really close the phone either.
Need to try the phonetoggle - lol i am still a vijay-virgin!!!

[APP][21/11/2008] NoTSR - A very little tool to restore memory

Hi.
When using my Diamond I noticed some processes don't disappear when they should. They fill up memory. Either you kill 'em with some Task Manager, or you soft reset.
Don't wanna SR or kill processes manually? Let my thing do it for you!
NoTSR is a very very simple program which kills some predefined processes, based on my experience with Diamond.
Source code (eVC++ 4) is for you to use and modify whatever you want. However, it would be nice if you gave me some credit if using it!
Have fun!
p. s. Sorry for the icon.
If anyone is wondering, this is what it kills off (copied straight from the source code):
"Opera9.exe", // everything still loads well
"OperaPreL.exe", // after killing them
"pword.exe", // for some reason Pocket Word leaves its process even after leaving
"CommManager.exe", // other Office apps seem to be fixed
"AudioManager_eng.exe", // last ones are opened by manila for quicker loading of tabs.
"AlbumSearcher.exe" // killing AudioManager stops music and rewinds current track.
I keep getting a "Can't list processes" dialog box when I launch the app. I tried placing the NoTSR.exe within in the extracted NoTSR subdirectory and also outside the subdirectory.
JNGold said:
I keep getting a "Can't list processes" dialog box when I launch the app. I tried placing the NoTSR.exe within in the extracted NoTSR subdirectory and also outside the subdirectory.
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I can confirm that.
What did we wrong? Do we have to place it in a special folder, like windows?
It worked for me, but my phone was very sluggish after running the app and I had to soft reset to bring it back to par.
Thanks for starting this development, there is definitely a gap to be filled by it, I use oxios hibernate and a task manager to finish off opera .exe, this is much easier to use and your icons not so bad either!
uniqueboy said:
It worked for me, but my phone was very sluggish after running the app and I had to soft reset to bring it back to par.
Thanks for starting this development, there is definitely a gap to be filled by it, I use oxios hibernate and a task manager to finish off opera .exe, this is much easier to use and your icons not so bad either!
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Thanks for positive feedback. I wonder why th sluggish reaction. Loading of opera as well as some TF3D tabs will for sure be slower, but whole phone is weird. After all, it just kills and leaves (see src if unsure). I use NoTSR myself and I got no problems at all. Maybe you could test it again and if it slows down show the list of processes?
@others: try using the app with rest closed. It should work in any folder; I keep it in my docs and launch via Start.
Thanks again for interest!
same error message for me. sprint touch pro with jd6.1 rom
I can't reproduce that error to analyze and fix it, so I post new version which tells you what went wrong. Try with it.
trying now
kosherpig said:
Thanks for positive feedback. I wonder why th sluggish reaction. Loading of opera as well as some TF3D tabs will for sure be slower, but whole phone is weird. After all, it just kills and leaves (see src if unsure). I use NoTSR myself and I got no problems at all. Maybe you could test it again and if it slows down show the list of processes?
@others: try using the app with rest closed. It should work in any folder; I keep it in my docs and launch via Start.
Thanks again for interest!
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OK, so I've been using the NoTSR app for a couple of days and I can't reproduce the lag that I had when I first ran it, odd. I think it may be something to do with the fact that when I first ran it it was from within file explorer, after using it I could not get explorer to open up again properly. Now I have put a shortcut in my windows/start up/programs folder and I am running it from my start menu everything seems just fine and is all working as it should with no sluggish side effect, so thanks again kosherpig for the very useful app.
SKTools Lite (free) comes with a small program called "Free up ram." During SKTools Lite install, it will tell you something about your windows version, just click through that and let it install.
Once it's installed, go to your programs page and you'll see it there: "Free Up RAM". Just run it once. It will look like nothing is opening, but its because it's working in the background. You'll get a message box very shortly telling you how much ram (in KB) you freed up.
http://s-k-tools.com/index.html?sktools/m_lite.html
I use it all the time. Brings me from 45 -50 down to 35-40. Lowest I've seen was 32%.
Our programs are slightly different. My one doesn't free RAM by itself; it closes processes which won't close by a "close all" command. And NoTSR is not resident (after all its name is No Terminate-Stay-Resident ). Its goal is to be as small as possible, also in term of occupied disk space (~9kB now). Maybe this SKTools and NoTSR could be used in conjunction to free up even more RAM?
And, I also got the error message 2 times.
1st when I was running FM radio.
2nd when I was at the Music tab.
I solved them:
1st by closing FM radio and invoking NoTSR. Everything went OK.
2nd switched to the Home tab. NoTSR failed again. Waited some seconds, ran again. OK now.
Solution: fails? Shut everything using the HTC task manager, go to today/home screen, and invoke NoTSR after some time. I can say the behavior is really weird, since my code doesn't depend on running apps.
However, I run NoTSR everytime after using Opera. I got that error 2 times in my whole usage.
Anyways. Thanks for all responses
I find "Oxios Hibernate" frees up more ram than sk tools "free up ram" does, it is also free, but must be run manually, a useful addition to any start menu.
I'm getting about 10 mb back with NoTSR after opera browsing, "free up ram" or "hibernate" practically nothing back after opera browsing. Basically if you use opera then this is a "must have".
A small update.
If you know when Oxios Hibernate works and NoTSR fails, check this exe out. I tried to contain the Hibernate in it.
This version is bugged.
Please use version from 1st post.
If you ran this version already perform a soft reset.
Sorry for inconvinience.
chronster said:
SKTools Lite (free) comes with a small program called "Free up ram." During SKTools Lite install, it will tell you something about your windows version, just click through that and let it install.
Once it's installed, go to your programs page and you'll see it there: "Free Up RAM". Just run it once. It will look like nothing is opening, but its because it's working in the background. You'll get a message box very shortly telling you how much ram (in KB) you freed up.
http://s-k-tools.com/index.html?sktools/m_lite.html
I use it all the time. Brings me from 45 -50 down to 35-40. Lowest I've seen was 32%.
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it lowers your memory usage by 10%???
To me it goes from 63% to 61%...
On my Diamond
thats frustrating...
Hi there, trying to use this app I'm getting the same error as others...
"Can't list processes: The parameter is incorrect. (#0)"
Task Manager is empty, I've tried leaving it on the home screen for 20 secs and running it but still the same problem.
Any ideas? I'd really like to get this working as Dutty 3.1 does appear to suffer from this memory problem.
EDIT.... OK, did a reset and it's working fine. I'll play with it over the next day or so, and fingers crossed Dutty 3.1 will be good enough for me as I don't need YouTube.
EDIT2... Worked for a while, now has the same problem as earlier.
Are you using the version form 1st post?
If not, please use it.
By the way, something is really wrong... AFAIK "Invalid parameter" has error code 87, 0 is "success". I've looked at program code to see where I could mess up memory, but I saw no such places. Help with finding this bug (you've got the source) would be very appreciated.
hi kosherpig
can you add a settings file where we can put our personal process to stop?
I've try to modify the source but I'm not able to compile it
kosherpig said:
Are you using the version form 1st post?
If not, please use it.
By the way, something is really wrong... AFAIK "Invalid parameter" has error code 87, 0 is "success". I've looked at program code to see where I could mess up memory, but I saw no such places. Help with finding this bug (you've got the source) would be very appreciated.
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Hi Kosherpig, I am using the version from the 1st post.
I'm happy to help finding the bug, but not sure what to do here! I THINK it stopped working after I used TomTom7, but can't be sure.
It's only 1635 and it's down to 16% battery already (I think this is a problem with Dutty 3.1), so I don't want to do lots of tests. However, when I'm home and charging it, I'll try each app individually until I pin point which one "causes" the problem.
Does this help? Anything else you want me to try?
Hi kosherpig, getting on great with NoTSR now, I just have one small idea that it would be nice to show the memory stats in the pop up dialogue in a similar way to oxios hibernate. Unless of course this would significantly affect the size and speed of the app, in that case I think it is easy enough to check on the memory usage other ways with a couple of quick taps.

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