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XDA Syn and Charge Cable

I was wondering if a Sync and Charge cable for the XDA will work on the XDA II?
I didnt want to try it just in case!!

My bro is managing to use most of his original XDA stuff with his XDA II. However, I have a problem with a Boxwave Minisync'n'charge cable that's supposed to be for the XDA II but I suspect is a rebadged XDA 1 cable - it sync's OK from my laptop but won't charge. However, the cable works with their car charger fine, i.e. it charges the XDA II OK ... strange...
Steve.

I think the XDA II needs slightly higher charging voltage than the XDA I in order to charge. It's a happy coincidence that the 5V USB power is sufficient to charge the XDA I; the approved charger has slightly higher voltage but the USB voltage is close enough to charge the XDA I - it 's known to take longer to charge the XDA I via the USB than with a charger. So that's probably why you can sync but not charge the XDA II with the USB cable.

This is a little confusing as my XDA II charges whilst sitting in the cradle WITHOUT the power supply connected, yet won't charge via the Sync'n'Charge cable from the same USB port... Any thoughts?
Steve.

XDA1 cable can be used to sycnh an XDA2 without any problems. It will also charge the XDA2 battery as long as the XDA2 battery has at least %80 or more charge. I bought a new cable today that charges both XDA2 & XDA1. Don't know what the difference is internally but the shopkeeper tells me its to do with pin configuration on the connector. Hope this helps.

I've just tested an old XDA1 USB sync'n'charge lead (the one supplied by O2) on my XDA II and it's charging nicely! I too have heard that it's to do with a sublte difference in the pin connections...
Time to get the multimeter out I think!
steve.

See http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4330
[email protected] seems to have figured it all out! Great work! Mystery revealed.

Thanks for the pointer - it was indeed the GND connections on pins 2&5 on the XDA II connector that were preventing the USB charging behaviour - I took the XDA I lead apart and the connections weren't there, so I clipped them on the new lead (don't you just love voiding the warranty!) and hey presto, the USB lead now charges!
Now all I need to do is check the lead on my car charing adapter...
Steve

Cool! Pity I bought a new charge/synch cable just today. Oh well, I guess I can still solder my old cable and have two! Thanks for the confirmation.

Sync n Charge Cable
Interesting thread, but I have a question...
I have a mini sync-n-charge cable that syncs fine and charges if the battery on the XDAII is not less that 80% - is that the best I can hope for from a charger off a PC's USB port or do I need to get my soldering iron out? I got the impression from the thred that the soldering iron was to cure a sync-n-charge cable that was not charging at all.

Cannot charge with car charger can any expert help please

Cannot charge xda executive with car charger ,when connected nothing happens light does not go red and also the connection icon does not show

make sure you dont have a faulty charger... dont know what you are using but i believe most people use the cigarette lighter to usb converter and then just use the usb cable... also have you tried pressing the on and off swith with the charger plugged in ?
BR

car charger
Hi and thanks for the fast reply mate <yes it is a new charger from o2 .
No i have not tried the on off with the switch ,but would i still be able to charge when i am using tomtom

Whell....I use the cigarette lighter to usb adapter and usb cable ...at times i have had to quik press the on/off swith and at times plug and unplug the cable to get it to charge ....I used this as a "jump start" method only and no problems after that with using it whillst on charge (even with tomtom)..... other than that you may have a faulty charger or fag lighter to usb adapter (I never seen what a o2 one looks like).
BR

Is the charger one especially for the exec?
I found normal usb chargers for phones like V3 or a GPS charger cant supply enough current to charge an exec.

hi, yeah i have had this problem, and so have a few of my clients, seems that not enough juice flows through the non branded versions, unlike from o2's or Brodits cables

I found that a regular USB cable into a Cigarette Lighter -> USB Socket didn't work until I joined pin 4 to pin 5 on the USB B Mini plug. All of the adapters I had that worked, but only powered (no data, i.e. Brodit and mains adapter) seemed to have pin 4 joined to pin 5 (pin 4 isn't normally connected at all). Once I did that mod it worked fine.
Cheers,
Steve.

bluesign2k said:
Is the charger one especially for the exec?
I found normal usb chargers for phones like V3 or a GPS charger cant supply enough current to charge an exec.
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Orange shops carry a charger intended for HTC manufactured devices (i.e. the SPV C500/M500 range) which works fine. Only £9.99.

Wizard Car Charger

So I visited my local Walmart and discovered a car charger, designed for Blackberry 6200 through 7500 and Motorola RAZR series phones.
The connector is the same, mini USB B.
$25,000 Question: Can I use this to charge my TMO MDA? Same connection, just worried the voltage or wiring might not be the same.

The AC chargers that came with my Razr and MDA are the same voltage-wise (5V) but not the same Amps.
MDA is 5V 1A, Razr is 5V 0.5A, they are not the same
However, it shouldn't damage the battery, just charge slower.
Just so you know, USB ports output 5V at 0.5A as well.
Edit: Sorry, I realize I completely changed my post, but didn't want incorrect info out there.

Thanks...I figured that, but was just making sure.
I got it in case of emergency...I almost always charge via USB; just leave it plugged in all day.
But you never know.....
Thanks!

fuzzie said:
Thanks...I figured that, but was just making sure.
I got it in case of emergency...I almost always charge via USB; just leave it plugged in all day.
But you never know.....
Thanks!
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Don't expect it to charge if you battery is below 30-20% charge. I'm not sure why this is an issue but it has bitten me in the rear once already.
Does anybody know why it's a problem for "less-than-1amp" chargers to charge back from the low threshold?

boxwave.com sells a 1 amp car charger. It has a USB port, so you just use it with any cable that normally plugs into a USB port. Since my Globalsat GBH-820 BT adapter came with a cable with large USB at one end, and _two_ mini USB at the other end, I can charge the GBH-820 and my 8125 at the same time.

oconnor.jb said:
boxwave.com sells a 1 amp car charger. It has a USB port, so you just use it with any cable that normally plugs into a USB port. Since my Globalsat GBH-820 BT adapter came with a cable with large USB at one end, and _two_ mini USB at the other end, I can charge the GBH-820 and my 8125 at the same time.
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That's not true,... if you use the VersaCharger like I do. This is where I learned of the "charging only" cable that Boxwave sells (how conveinent) and then they sell a Sync/charger for USB only. I have a Boxwave VersaCharger that I can't use without buying their "cable" to make it charge the 8125. I found this out because I have a Belkin retractable sync/charge cable that doesn't work with the VersaCharger as I had hoped. The cable that you have may work with 1amp charger but it probably won't work with theVersaCharger.
What is the output on the "min-usb" connector end of the cable? This sounds like the cable that I need for the 2 devices that I use.
...I wonder if they are putting some electronics in the cable connector...?

I bought the bundle that had a car charger (I have the regular; not the high output; not the Versa) and two mini-Sync (retractable) cables. I got caught by the fact that one of them is "charging only" when I was trying to use the "charging only" cable between my laptop and my TI-84plus calculator. I switched to the mini-USB cable that came with my calculator, and it worked fine, as did my phone with AS. That's when I looked closer at the two mini-sync cables and noticed that one was for "charging only". So, that mini-sync cable (the charging only) stays in the car, and works fine for charging my phone or my GBH-820. The really odd thing is that the "charging only" cable looks "thicker" than the one that works for syncing. Maybe lower gauge wire to help the higher current flow easier.
I have also used my other USB-miniUSB cables with my car adapter. E.g. the cable that came with the phone, the cable that came with my TI-84plus calculator.
My Bluetake headphones came with their own USB cable that has, for lack of any better term, an ultraminiUSB (or some kind of proprietary connector, cause it's not marked with a USB symbol like the other cables) plug at the end. I just plug the regular USB end of that cable into the car charger, and it charges the Bluetake's just fine.

Excellent car charger for Wizard
I have purchased and used the "Ecovell 4x USB" adapter on both a Wizard and a Universal. It provides a 2 Amp output which is equivalent to the AC adapter and works with any mini-USB cable. It will charge a Universal from absolutely dead which I have not been able to do with any other adapter. Here is the link to the item on Yes Depot:
http://www.yesdepot.com/product/ud0520.html
I've ordered from them and the service was OK. I haven't seen the item available anywhere else.
Regards,
Dave

How do I charge my HD ?

I'm going to look stupid here, but ...
Received HD today in USA and wanted to charge it. But I do not know HOW ???!!!!
I plugged USB cord into HD itself, and other end - into AC Adapter.
Now AC Adapter looks strange to me ... the pins are INSIDE of adapter, so I cannot plug it into the wall electric outlet !
I do not have any plug to put it into AC Adapter! It suppose to come with one ?
What do I do now ?

bogdatov said:
I'm going to look stupid here, but ...
Received HD today in USA and wanted to charge it. But I do not know HOW ???!!!!
I plugged USB cord into HD itself, and other end - into AC Adapter.
Now AC Adapter looks strange to me ... the pins are INSIDE of adapter, so I cannot plug it into the wall electric outlet !
I do not have any plug to put it into AC Adapter! It suppose to come with one ?
What do I do now ?
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Did you plug the power-pin adapter into the AC adapter? You have to put the wall-adapter onto the AC charger itself, then connect the usb cord to the ac adapter, then plug in the phone...
Petrov.

I just received mine today too. The piece that goes into the wall plugs into to piece that you plug the USB cable into. Now the plug that comes with the HD is for the UK or maybe Europe in general I am not sure. Mine came with an adapter that plugs into the two round pins that come standard with the HD. I hope that is clear. In other words if you did not get an adapter that looks like a regular two bladed electrical plug then you will have to get one or you will have to plug it into your computer for now.

mrpetrov said:
Did you plug the power-pin adapter into the AC adapter? You have to put the wall-adapter onto the AC charger itself, then connect the usb cord to the ac adapter, then plug in the phone...
Petrov.
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That power-pin adapter which I suppose to plug into the wall AND into AC adapter ... it suppose to come with the package ?
Where can I buy USA plug that I can insert into wall outlet (one end) and other end goes to HTC HD AC Adapter ?

bogdatov said:
That power-pin adapter which I suppose to plug into the wall AND into AC adapter ... it suppose to come with the package ?
Where can I buy USA plug that I can insert into wall outlet (one end) and other end goes to HTC HD AC Adapter ?
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go to bestbuy or circuit city or radio shack and purchase a wall charger for the motorola razr. that will work, too.

Just use the USB to charge off a PC

arfster said:
Just use the USB to charge off a PC
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early on, some owners noted that the HD wouldn't charge that way, even though the display said it was charging.
Don't recall if we ever got to the bottom of if it was via direct USB socket on the PC, or via a USB hub - but basically the phone wasn't getting the full (5.5v?) voltage from the PC.
To charge the HD from the mains, you need 3 pieces of kit, which should all have come in the box.
1) the USB lead
2) a small box sized unit, about 5cm by 3cm by 3cm. It has a USB socket on one end, and the other end has 2 prongs inside a cut out section.
3) the plug bit. This should look like a regular plug, but on the back (the other side to the prongs), you have just a small box, with 2 holes in it. These holes align with the 2 prongs on item 2 above.
Slide 3 into 2, and 1 into 2 too
Depending on where the HD was sourced from, them item 3 may have 3 prongs (if its UK spec) - which obviously won't fit into a US socket.
The writing on item 2 seems to indicate that it will take an inout voltage of 100 - 240V - 0.2A 50-60Hz.
No idea if this means it will work with US mains voltage, sorry.

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early on, some owners noted that the HD wouldn't charge that way, even though the display said it was charging.
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Mine does, I've never charged it off the mains
Having said that, a lot of motherboards don't allow charging off them, for whatever reason. Maybe they shut down power if there's no data connection after a while, or don't provide enough current etc etc.

could be
Mine seems to charge ok off the (powered) USB hub - but some owners have reported that theirs didn't
I'm just paranoid about batteries (probably overly so!), and like to make sure that the very first charge is a blinking good one

Thats not an issue with lithium ion or lithium polymer batteries, they dont have a memory effect, the first change is not important.

TTDegs said:
early on, some owners noted that the HD wouldn't charge that way, even though the display said it was charging.
Don't recall if we ever got to the bottom of if it was via direct USB socket on the PC, or via a USB hub - but basically the phone wasn't getting the full (5.5v?) voltage from the PC.
To charge the HD from the mains, you need 3 pieces of kit, which should all have come in the box.
1) the USB lead
2) a small box sized unit, about 5cm by 3cm by 3cm. It has a USB socket on one end, and the other end has 2 prongs inside a cut out section.
3) the plug bit. This should look like a regular plug, but on the back (the other side to the prongs), you have just a small box, with 2 holes in it. These holes align with the 2 prongs on item 2 above.
Slide 3 into 2, and 1 into 2 too
Depending on where the HD was sourced from, them item 3 may have 3 prongs (if its UK spec) - which obviously won't fit into a US socket.
The writing on item 2 seems to indicate that it will take an inout voltage of 100 - 240V - 0.2A 50-60Hz.
No idea if this means it will work with US mains voltage, sorry.
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It seems that I'm missing piece# 3 - the plug. Is this some specific plug for HTC HD, or generic ?
If it is special for HTC HD - where can I find it ?

I recommend purchasing the TC P300 International Travel Charger Kit. It's available on Expansys or HTC's accessory store. It's the highest quality kit available and the TC P300 is the actual charge provided with the Touch HD. You only get the EU or UK plug. I could not find a kit of just plugs. A cheaper alternative is the HTC TC P200 International Travel Charger. Also, available from HTC accessory store or Expansys.

This is driving me nuts. Go to an electronics store Best Buy, Future Shop, Circuit City, and take your charger with you, they will hook you up. You might even be able to get a universal charger, I think the ones for Iphones have a USB attachment on them.

I have plenty of USB chargers, so I don't mind UK plug. You may buy a new 1000mAh USB charger here: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.25 just for $5.25 or just adapter for $3.46 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.17840

USB Charger cable ID pin resistor - need help from someone with a multimeter

Hey guys,
As we know Atom doesn't charge with other chargers while it's on, unless you hack a cable to connect miniusb ID pin to gnd.
I've lost my charger. Does anybody know or can test to see the resistance value of the ID pin? Some call it 'pin 4' on mini-usb, but actually it doesn't have a number and the next pin is numbered 4
The ID pin may be directly connected to GND, or may have a resistor between gnd. I need to know it to make/find a more original-like cable.
Also, does anybody know how HP rw68xx handles this with a charger with unpluggable usb cable? Does it require using a special cable with modified mini usb socket for wall charger? Cause there is no equivalent pin for the ID pin, on a standard usb socket, so probably there is no identification function on the charger.
Edit:
I'll try to locate a working cable / usb-miniusb adapter on dealextreme, if you know a specific item which should work, that would be even better.
Thanks