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REV A and GPS Nav ROM update watch

OK, the rumored date is Jan 28th ... anybody know more G2 ??

I haven't heard anything official yet. I wish it would have come out before Tuesday since I will be going out of town and I could have tested it. I'll be back by the 28th, but I'll still be happy if its released by then. Hopefully they've thoroughly tested it and there won't be many/any bugs.

anywhereanytime said:
OK, the rumored date is Jan 28th ... anybody know more G2 ??
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will the GPS by turn by turn on the phone? or do i need an adapter of some sort?

spunks3 said:
will the GPS by turn by turn on the phone? or do i need an adapter of some sort?
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The GPS is just enabling the chip in the phone. You will need another app to actually use it. You could pay monthly for Telenav, which would use your internet connection to download maps as you drive. You could buy iGuidance, TomTom, or a similar program and load all of your maps onto your SD card. iGuidance will announce the street names, TomTom will just say "Turn left in 1 mile". This should make it work with Google Maps and Live Search as well. You can get directions off of these programs, but its not voice guided.

Check out this YouTube video - the author has comments "off" do you know exactly which software this is ??
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PDXXYuJSWM4

Honest question/comment:
Everything I've read and seen in the last couple of months indicates the Titan would get RevA & GPS in early Q1, with the Vogue getting it several months later.
What did I miss?
TIA

wsparvis said:
Honest question/comment:
Everything I've read and seen in the last couple of months indicates the Titan would get RevA & GPS in early Q1, with the Vogue getting it several months later.
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Everything I have seen suggests that BOTH will be at the same time - do you have a recent article that says they will be staggered ??
I am referring to the Sprint Touch, and therefore the Sprint Mogul - everything I have read is that both will be at the same time ?

anywhereanytime said:
Everything I have seen suggests that BOTH will be at the same time - do you have a recent article that says they will be staggered ??
I am referring to the Sprint Touch, and therefore the Sprint Mogul - everything I have read is that both will be at the same time ?
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No, my data points are the standard rumors and speculation floating around all the sites. I've seen a number of comments about 'same time' recently, and a lot about 'staggered' in the couple of months preceeding that. The only published and official fact that I've seen anywhere in months is Sprint's statement about Mogul in Q1 on HTC's site and at BAW.
It would make perfect sense for them to be released at the same time - not that sense is something I would associate with Sprint! :=)
I will be thrilled if they both come out at the same time, and soon. I have given up on my Mogul and put it on a shelf pending a likely trade for a Treo 800w. My Touch is now my primary phone.

anywhereanytime said:
Check out this YouTube video - the author has comments "off" do you know exactly which software this is ??
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PDXXYuJSWM4
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This is the new CoPilot Live 7 (http://www.alk.com/copilot/). I have this one also. The software is nice (but I haven't tried it on the Touch). The maps in my area are out-dated compared to iGuidance v4. CoPilot also doesn't announce street names, iGuidance is the only one that does this. ALK said they plan on releasing an update to CoPilot to make it announce street names though, I was never given a time frame.

january 28th is the rumored release for the Moguls GPS/REV.A release, the touch is not set to get a ROM update to enable such until at least Q2 2008.

This may sound stupid, but I'll ask anyway.
I have a Garmin GPS (Nuvi250) in my wifes car, is there anyway to pull the maps from that and use them on the Touch?

MrCantrell said:
This may sound stupid, but I'll ask anyway.
I have a Garmin GPS (Nuvi250) in my wifes car, is there anyway to pull the maps from that and use them on the Touch?
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i think if your nuvi250 has bluetooth .. it will allow u to use gps on htc touch !!

neogin said:
i think if your nuvi250 has bluetooth .. it will allow u to use gps on htc touch !!
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I'll clarify.
Once they release the update, if it allows us to use the GPS, could I take the maps that are on the Nuvi and load them onto the Vogue?

no you might not be able to use garmin maps as they are very heavily copyrighted and protected. you cannot even use maps from one garmin device to another

top of that .. u can't use it ..
but u can load from underground web ..
it is impossible to load from the map from nuvi to your pda ..

XmentalX said:
january 28th is the rumored release for the Moguls GPS/REV.A release, the touch is not set to get a ROM update to enable such until at least Q2 2008.
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What is your source - rumors or actual fact ??
Can anyone else confirm this - Touch not at the same time as the Mogul ???

That was my understanding based on what I have read as well. I hope to be proven wrong.

so just because the mogul came out first they're getting the update first?
this is bull****. sprint/htc's logic is ****ing trash.
sorry for the foul language but this just got me flamed. If iPhone v2 comes out within the next 4-5 months (thats what I'm hearing or something like that) and if that **** comes with all the features I need/want... then bye bye HTC.

well i hope it is soon, i would RUV to have this pupppy havin GPS. I mean the latency for gaming will be a nice improvement and FPS games will be playable via that mobile web, but GPS via tomtom and google maps will be [email protected]

well i guess the 28th wasnt the date?

Bing now has Voice Nav!

I already posted this in the Tmobile US HD2 section but just in case you're not looking there... Bing has added Voice Nav with turn by turn directions!
http://www.bing.com/community/blogs...05/11/updated-bing-app-for-windows-phone.aspx
http://pocketnow.com/software-1/bing-for-windows-mobile-now-has-real-navigation-features
It appears to work really well for folks in the US... other countries ymmv for now. This is a great FREE app for Windows Mobile! Now I don't have to buy CoPilot Live!!!!!

Yes yes yes!!!!

thanks this is great

GARMIN XT and any not DATA plan dependent navigation is and will always be better than Bings, GoogleMaps, AndroidNavis, etc...

eenbox said:
GARMIN XT and any not DATA plan dependent navigation is and will always be better than Bings, GoogleMaps, AndroidNavis, etc...
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Never hurts to have a backup, and it does look very nice....
Its about time thougt that MS sorted our this US only BS, you cant compete if you dont actually have a working product.

sadly still only support for US, UK, Italy, France Still I use GMaps when travelling, it's just easier to handly then iGo and it has phone numbers etc. matching your destination.

d3l1 said:
sadly still only support for US, UK, Italy, France
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The UK version is probably the worst app you can get for the HD2. This new US version looks a lot better and works to a certain degree in the UK but navigation doesn't work outside US and the voice search is next to useless as I don't say say "have a nice day y'all" on the end of each search (needs an American accent probably)

djingonthenet said:
The UK version is probably the worst app you can get for the HD2. This new US version looks a lot better and works to a certain degree in the UK but navigation doesn't work outside US and the voice search is next to useless as I don't say say "have a nice day y'all" on the end of each search (needs an American accent probably)
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Lol! Hopefully MS will continue to make improvements and add regions to the app... I'm very, very impressed with the new version and the voice input works very well for me... (I don't end my sentences with "have a nice day y'all" either , maybe the version you downloaded was corrupted, hehe).
have a nice day y'all!

eenbox said:
GARMIN XT and any not DATA plan dependent navigation is and will always be better than Bings, GoogleMaps, AndroidNavis, etc...
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I agree, but... A) this is free! B) I already own a GPS but no longer have to carry an additional piece of consumer electronics along with me. C) I have the (unlimited) data plan anyway so no downside for me in using it...
ymmv of course.

For those who can't find the download link it's m.bing.com/download

something is moving in Froyo development

Hope this will be of interest for someone.
I'm Italian, and as other italian owners of nexus one with the beta of Froyo, today we found some news
First, no we can just speak for writing sms and email, when keeping pressed the search button still italian speech recognition desn't work, same when searching the web.
Second, finally now we have the google navigator, we can input the destination just speaking and works fine, we can also search the web for something and launch the navigator.
This is of course a great signal, because in my opinion if Google will be able to offer all the services that are already available for the USA customers in the others countries, then Apple will have some problem selling his next product.
Why spent 600 and more euros for a phone, that is of course well assembled and with good materials, while with 499€ you can get a phone that has much more features? The free navigator is a real killer features that we really missed.
Ciao!

Same for Germany

That isn't FroYo development. It is just the latest update to Google Maps. Added 11 more countries for navigation and more languages for voice.

Yup.
Canadians now have access to the full set of map features. Took long enough, but I am certainly grateful!

I'm actually surprised we (UK) got it before Canada.
Enjoy it though, it's great!

Now more countries can follow asinine directions from Google Nav. Enjoy!
Last weekend I gave Google Nav a try... It wanted me to drive 5 miles down a country road and drive through a gated community rather than go down the main road 50 feet away and drive half a mile to my destination. Also one time instructed me to go down a 1 way the wrong way even though Google Maps shows it clearly as 1 way (ie: it knew!)
It's a nice program, and can't beat the price, but it comes with a large grain of salt.

Clarkster said:
That isn't FroYo development. It is just the latest update to Google Maps. Added 11 more countries for navigation and more languages for voice.
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Yes and no.
They updated maps and navigation now that are going to release Froyo.
As I said they are now offering all the goodies of android also in other countries.
It's a good sign, to me looks like that with Froyo they want release a great product and now they can.
As for the navigation I'v tryied it a bit and to me looks very nice

velenox said:
Yes and no.
They updated maps and navigation now that are going to release Froyo.
As I said they are now offering all the goodies of android also in other countries.
It's a good sign, to me looks like that with Froyo they want release a great product and now they can.
As for the navigation I'v tryied it a bit and to me looks very nice
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incorrect.
This has nothing to do with Froyo. One of my phones is running android 1.6 and it got the updates

khaytsus said:
Now more countries can follow asinine directions from Google Nav. Enjoy!
Last weekend I gave Google Nav a try... It wanted me to drive 5 miles down a country road and drive through a gated community rather than go down the main road 50 feet away and drive half a mile to my destination. Also one time instructed me to go down a 1 way the wrong way even though Google Maps shows it clearly as 1 way (ie: it knew!)
It's a nice program, and can't beat the price, but it comes with a large grain of salt.
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Does this mean I shouldn't use the Navigation software?

khaytsus said:
Now more countries can follow asinine directions from Google Nav. Enjoy!
Last weekend I gave Google Nav a try... It wanted me to drive 5 miles down a country road and drive through a gated community rather than go down the main road 50 feet away and drive half a mile to my destination. Also one time instructed me to go down a 1 way the wrong way even though Google Maps shows it clearly as 1 way (ie: it knew!)
It's a nice program, and can't beat the price, but it comes with a large grain of salt.
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Ahh google maps has *some* issues but I think you either have an old version, didn't look at the alternative routes, or marked something like no tolls. Google navigation has been awesome for me, the only thing its been wrong on is the location of a couple of stores... one was on the wrong side of the street, the other was in the next shopping center. It'll get better as you can report stuff like that, which I did, and the more that use it the smaller those problems will happen. I've used it for a lot of stores though so I think you might want to give it another try with different locations and check your settings. Also make sure you updated it from the marketplace and aren't using the stock maps.

walie said:
incorrect.
One of my phones is running android 1.6 and it got the updates
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Incorrect as well.
Your phone running android 1.6 did not get the updates. Google simply modified their servers to allow Navigation in your region/country.
It has nothing to with updating the Maps version on your phone. If you are in a non nav region, you can see this simply by loading a map with directions in the USA and NAV will be available.
But you are right about is not being Froyo specific.

blisk said:
Ahh google maps has *some* issues but I think you either have an old version, didn't look at the alternative routes, or marked something like no tolls. Google navigation has been awesome for me, the only thing its been wrong on is the location of a couple of stores... one was on the wrong side of the street, the other was in the next shopping center. It'll get better as you can report stuff like that, which I did, and the more that use it the smaller those problems will happen. I've used it for a lot of stores though so I think you might want to give it another try with different locations and check your settings. Also make sure you updated it from the marketplace and aren't using the stock maps.
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Yes, Google Maps is the latest, 4.2.0.. And I haven't checked any options at all in the options, I actually didn't see any when I quickly looked. Only reason I used it actually was I was using a geocaching program which popped it up for navigating to a geocache so I let it do its thing.
FYI, this isn't a case of "geocache in the middle of nowhere" in case you're familiar with it, navigation to them can be tricky or wind up in the wrong spot. Nothing like that, I was actually leaving one place and driving to another one a few miles away and it was telling me to drive way out of the way down a narrow road then left into a closed gated community.
Later I was driving downtown and it suggested I turn into a 1 way street...

mariolopezjr said:
Does this mean I shouldn't use the Navigation software?
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I would say use it, with common sense. Just like any navigational software.

How's the navigation compared to other competitions such as Nokia's Ovi Maps and Bing Maps?

perhaps I have not expressed my idea very well. I thought that before releasing Froyo, Google wanted to make all services already available in USA, also in other countries. This make sense, because in Europe we missed this features, voice search, navigation, etcetera...
So why release Froyo without offering all the goodies also in other countries?
If Froyo will be released tomorrow I'll be very happy to enjoy the new software, but honestly I'm happy for the navigator totally integrated with the phone.

Guys, please post in appropriate threads instead of starting a new one.
Google Maps Navigation:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698539
Speculation:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696736
Let's help keep the forum clean and organized, which benefits everyone.
Thanks!

Gps

Why do people need gps on their phones? this is a serious question
I have never needed or used gps in my life
I like using maps better I guess
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My biggest uses:
Find restaurants/activities near me to try new things (or in a new location)
Geo-caching - fun way to hike
Navigation - maps are dangerous and slow to use in a car, annoying to carry, and out of date depending on your source. Phones aren't the best for this but Android's Navigation is basically the cream of the crop.

Um if you dont know what good a gps is you really need to get into the tech. age.
I use it for EVERYTHING.
The real key is that I use google maps to look up anyone or anything around me. My friends all use latitude on weekend nights so we can find each other. If my gps doesn't show where I am how are friends supposed to find me?
I use it for pizza on a random night... or out on the boat when I'm going to a restaurant on the water.....or on a Friday afternoon when traffic is horrible and I want an alternate route.
There's plenty of reasons why the GPS NEEDS TO ACTUALLY WORK on this phone.

Well I'm not making an excuse for the gps problems I just have never needed gps is all
barely any of my friends have an android phone
Still stuck on blackberry and feature phones
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I use GPS to navigate around unfamiliar locations. I cannot memorize the entirety of the planet's geography so I must rely on tools to bridge this particular shortcoming and I cannot safely read a map while driving.
What the hell did you expect?

Just hoping for something I could use
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Google navigation is the best, ur in an unfamiliar city,got the munchies, u long press search button and say "navigate to subway" and voila! Ur guided to ur destination. And u hear oooh and aaah from ur buddies...
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<3me said:
Why do people need gps on their phones? this is a serious question
I have never needed or used gps in my life
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Gosh. Where to start: Geocaching; geotagging photos ("the accident|family snapshot|scenery is right here"); tracking athletic runs (Cardio Trainer, etc); self-geocoding of addresses to avoid intellectual property issues with online geocoding sources; geocoding any physical object surveyed for a multitude of GIS applications and databases; "I am here" apps for emergency use; wardriving; geo-based social networking; geo-based shopping (Barcoder, Shop Savvy, etc.); calibrating speedometer and odometer; orienteering; mapping trails; tracking hikes and bike rides; of course, real-time vehicular navigation; recording and analyzing delivery routes ...
The list is really open-ended, and is expanding as democratized GIS, mapping, and GPS functionalities expand.
The integration of GPS with other technologies on the "phone" -- really a pocket computer that happens to make phone calls and is enhanced by cell-based GPS hybrid location and thus orders of magnitude more useful than a dedicated GPS receiver-- is what provides the power. I can be driving down the highway at lunch, speak "Taco Bell" into my phone, and it will find the closest choices with directions on a dynamic map.
This is why an accurate and functioning GPS is integral to Android smartphones. It enables things you didn't even conceive of, and services still being invented.

Geographically-based "to do" items, so the phone alerts you when you're getting off the freeway and reminds you to stop at the grocery store to buy toilet paper and cat food on the way home from work.
Location-aware ringer preferences. At the office, it turns down the ringer volume so half the floor doesn't hear the theme from The Great Giana Sisters (starting at 2:18) performed by Machinae Supremacy whenever somebody calls

kynetx said:
I use GPS to navigate around unfamiliar locations. I cannot memorize the entirety of the planet's geography so I must rely on tools to bridge this particular shortcoming and I cannot safely read a map while driving.
What the hell did you expect?
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+1
Also not having to have a gps in your car that you worry about someone seeing and stealing

Bigjim1488 said:
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Also not having to have a gps in your car that you worry about someone seeing and stealing
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i dont ever go anywhere without knowing where im going

Well when visiting another state it isn't always possible to have intimate personal knowledge of places.
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Lol....I always say the same thing to my wife...I took of off my phone. Personally I think the **** is a waste on a phone. I can find almost anything I need without it. Although I am not one who travels throughout the country or has to make business trips to unfamiliar locations. So I can see pros and cons
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i dont ever go anywhere without knowing where im going
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Well then you need to expand your horizions Sometimes it's fun to go get lost and then of course have a nice gps to bring you home.

I use sprint nav when me and my friends get lost on a random night in the car or when we're driving with no where to go, I'll use sprint nav to get us to some random restaurant in another state or something.
I also use google maps to find trainstations nearby when I'm in some random part of the city. And when I went to my friends college 7 hours away, thebus had to make a random stop and I used it to figure out where I was.
Its also entertaining to ride a train and see a little blue arrow scrolling across the screen following your path with a Speedometer.
If you have intimateknowledge ofplaces bfore hand, then you have no reason for a gps considering you clearly don't care about the tecnology. This gps bug effects quite a few people adversely. I for one didn't realize how much I used gps until I upgraded from my hero
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i dont ever go anywhere without knowing where im going
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Dang, you must have a pretty limited set of places you go...
Except for going between work, home and the grocery store, I almost *never* know where I'm going. That's called "exploring your surroundings" and "finding new things to do".

<3me said:
Why do people need gps on their phones? this is a serious question
I have never needed or used gps in my life
I like using maps better I guess
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ok since you dont use them so i should not either...........I for one do like reading a map while driving and guessing when my upcoming turn is actually coming up......
I have a series question why do you care why I need/want a gps in my phone....

BrianDigital said:
ok since you dont use them so i should not either...........I for one do like reading a map while driving and guessing when my upcoming turn is actually coming up......
I have a series question why do you care why I need/want a gps in my phone....
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thats a great series of questions sir the answer is i do not care why i was hoping there might be something im missing like a feature thats too awesome for words or at least really useful
and to the first part its not a hate thread chill out
also read the map before you go so you dont have to read while driving *hits staples button*
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Dang, you must have a pretty limited set of places you go...
Except for going between work, home and the grocery store, I almost *never* know where I'm going. That's called "exploring your surroundings" and "finding new things to do".
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actually its not that limited i worked for fedex so i generally know where i am going though i dont travel alot

[Q] Orange maps

Hi
I have an HD2 running android. My contract is with Orange and i am on the panther 40 plan. Inclusive with that plan is Orange Maps, normally Orange maps is imbedded within the OS but as i got my phone from the carphone warehouse and it is now running Android I do not get this option Has anybody had experience with this? if so were you able to resolve it? is there an orange Maps .APK somewhere?
Please help....

Is there anything specific you want from Orange Maps that you can't get from Google Maps? Or is it that the data is included in your plan? If that's the case then running the Android version will probably not make any difference and you'll still use data regardless.
Bear in mind (as poo as it is) that they sold you a WM device with WM software, compatible with their network requirements. You simply may not be able to get an Android equivalent.
My only advice is to go and have a search round the Desire forum. They did package Orange Maps on that device, so it may be available in the forum. To be honest, I don't really fancy your chances though. Most people get rid of what's considered "bloatware" as soon as they can.
Good luck mate

Is there anything specific you want from Orange Maps that you can't get from Google Maps? Or is it that the data is included in your plan? If that's the case then running the Android version will probably not make any difference and you'll still use data regardless.
Bear in mind (as poo as it is) that they sold you a WM device with WM software, compatible with their network requirements. You simply may not be able to get an Android equivalent.
My only advice is to go and have a search round the Desire forum. They did package Orange Maps on that device, so it may be available in the forum. To be honest, I don't really fancy your chances though. Most people get rid of what's considered "bloatware" as soon as they can.
Good luck mate
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Hi John
Thanks the the quick response.
To be honest, I would probably never use it but as it is included with the panther plan I thought I might as well try it, no problems if I can't though ( I don't have a car ATM anyway )

jhol3368 said:
Hi John
Thanks the the quick response.
To be honest, I would probably never use it but as it is included with the panther plan I thought I might as well try it, no problems if I can't though ( I don't have a car ATM anyway )
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lol. No loss really then, which is good. I thought Panther had unlimited internet anyway (or as unlimited as they ever are!)
Just use Google maps - it's great, and comes with free satnav. I bet Orange maps doesn't go 3D with a 2 finger swipe

http://www1.orange.co.uk/orangemaps/download/index.html