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Hi,
My S100 keeps hard reseting. It was working ok, until last week. Since then, it has hard reset 3 times now.
It happens randomly. I've formatted the SD card as well, in case the issue was card related. I don't know what to do...
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Could it have anything to do with my backup battery?
I've noticed that I have no issues if it's connected to the power, but if my battery gets to half capacity, it's when my problems begin...
ALL help is welcome....
Hi got same problem ...unfortunately while using tomtom so i lose myself somewhere in between Austria,Switzerland and Germany....
so it reset many times even while phisically resetted...it didn't start any more for 10 min and then it starts properly...and again and again.....
noticed low internal battery....will change it (if i found the user manual) and i'll let You know the progress...
....small reply...i check in the User Manual but no idea on how to change and which is the internal backup battery....any suggestion ? ? ?...pls ?
up.........thnks
uh...well i have the same problem and i know why it happens...
It's just that the back cover has a small plastic notch at the bottom right side which must touch and push a small switch located at the bottom right (the switch is located just above the red plastic thing).
Since my back cover has a side plastic notch that is broken, sometimes the back cover gets a little bit loose, forcing the bottom switch notch to release that switch which in turn forces the ppc to sometimes reboot/hard reset.
Check if your back cover is Okey.
Keeper
Keeper said:
uh...well i have the same problem and i know why it happens...
It's just that the back cover has a small plastic notch at the bottom right side which must touch and push a small switch located at the bottom right (the switch is located just above the red plastic thing).
Since my back cover has a side plastic notch that is broken, sometimes the back cover gets a little bit loose, forcing the bottom switch notch to release that switch which in turn forces the ppc to sometimes reboot/hard reset.
Check if your back cover is Okey.
Keeper
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WOAH...got it....(i'll keep testing tomorrw while running somewhere in France....) is enough to force it with a ...."piece-of-something" placed there in case? or there are some other indications on "how to"??.....
say thanks anyway is always not enought......
yes...you can use whatever you like...(you can even glue it)
Honestely i don't know what was HTCs ideia of putting that dumb switch in there...
Regards,
Keeper
Yeah, that switch is pretty dumb and a waste of money. None of my newer HTC phones have that switch. I guess in more recent phones they realized it was a waste.
The switch was there for a good reason
Hi! The switch is there to turn off the phone when you open the battery cover. Remember, WM 2003 is based on volatile memory, so if the power goes out, all of your data gets deleted and the OS has to reload from flash rom. Anyway, to my understanding the switch has to do with not using the backup battery without the actual battery in there as the backup battery is strong enough to power the volatile memory but not the entire device. The solution I chose for my device is a piece of clear plastic tape running along the crack between the battery door and the camera housing. I attached the tape to the sides as well, and made sure to use the stylus to push the tape down between the grooves on the sides. Otherwise dust would get in right away and weaken the bond blah blah blah.
Summary: Tape on the battery cover, the switch was a good thing. All devices since MDA Compact run WM5, which is non-volatile memory based and is always stored no matter what.
Hi guys,
At first I decided to open up my Magician, to look for that "backup" battery.
Didn't find any.
Turns out, my hard reset problem is caused by my phone battery. The regular battery is wasted. So wasted that the phone cant hold the backup. I found it weird that the phone wouldn't hard reset if was kept on power. As soon as i unplugged it, it went bye bye.
I managed to test it with a battery from a friend, and as soon as he used my battery on his phone, the backup warning come up.
I don't wanna say that, in some cases, the back lid won't cause this problem.
In my case, thankfully I managed to sort out where the problem was.
Thanks!
It keeps hard resetting
Hi Guys,
i've tried all the above written tips and tricks; but, my magician still have the same problem, every time i removes my battery it goes hard reset and again i've to start from the scratch - align screen - then it installs the applications again and back to the square one.
previously it was ok and after a year and half of using it started going soft reset now and then itself - i gave it to a local services center, they said that it has a loose contact to the battery that's why it gets soft reset, so i got my battery connector replaced. it solved the soft reset problem, but now the bigger problem has come up - it goes hard reset every time i remove my battery.
one thing i've noticed - it never hard resets when i keep it connected with my charger or usb cable
any one has any idea why its happening...
well i would suggest that your backup battery is dead...
Keeper
that i've checked keeper it always shows 100%.
and all the time since i bought this i've never seen that thing moving from 100%,
ok just tell me is it possible to replace the backup battery?
Well, i doubt it...all this stuff is really small...honestely i don't even know where is the backup located at, in the pcb... (photo of the pcb is in here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/files/naked-magician-insane.jpg)
I would suggest that you should go to a repair center and ask them for a repair cost budget...that way you'll be informed what exactly is wrong with your pda...
Keeper
webshocker, if you want to try and replace your backup battery, check the photo in attachment that i've made...
It seems that it ain't that hard to replace it...
Regards,
Keeper
Ok, im going to start not from the beginning beginning, but from where problems started.
Friday night, went out, I was writing an sms when somebody pushed me and i dropped my wiz, i picked it up, to find that the battery was gone, nowhere to be found, i did find the cover tho. i tried to look for the batt, but i was in the middle of the club so it wasn't that easy.. I knew that a friend of mine had a spare one so i didn't worry that much.
Sunday I got the replacement, tried it, no luck, it ran out i thought, but when i tried to charge it, nothing happened. Buying a new one is not that easy when you are in Argentina, and they are expensive, so i decided to jump sart it. good news: it worked, i could turn on the phone, so the battery is fine. bad news: it still doesn't want to charge!
I previously had problems with the usb, and i had to have it soldered again, pretty strong, but I thought that might be the problem again, so i disassembled my wiz. new problem: the power button broke, the tiny, tiny black piece fell off, AND I LOST IT! DOH!
Anyways, the usb is still soldered pretty strong, i don't think its gonna go loose again, so thats not the freaking problem!
So now, instead of the initial no-charge problem, i have a disassembled wizard, that won't charge the goddamn battery, AND a broken power button (tried to glue it, but fell off again and thats when i lost the piece).
Regarding the button, i've studied my options, what would you recommend and how would you do it?
option 1: turn on the phone with the soft reset hole, and remap the screen on/off function to another button.
option 2: replace the power button internal piece with the one from the voice command button (i never use it). i've taken a look and they seem to be the same, but i don't know if taking it off and soldering it back would work..
anyways, that leaves me again with my initial problem, and i do have an hypothesis. I THINK (because I THINK i remember this happening to me before), that the battery won't start charging until windows has started, and the jump star power the battery has is not enough to get it started (tried to tape it and leave it for a while to see if it charged a bit more, but didn't work, the phone turns on but goes out when loading, and since i've my wiz pretty loaded it takes its time to load).
So to try this out i would need a way to charge the battery manually, and i don't have access to another wiz to have it charged (my friend had a spare batt because his wiz is broken).
So, if you have a solution to this, ANY different solution, or even an IDEA, please give me a hint!
For what i've read, this are common problems, so there must be something out there.
Man, that's a bad thing
I'll try to help you as much as I can.
You are right about Wiz only start charging when it's on. After my N78 was stolen and I went back to the Wizard, the battery was without any charge for months... I plugged it and no red LED... Turned it on and, bingo, red LED and charging!
The voice command and the on/off buttons are the same, so (in theory) it would work 100% IF you were able to change their places (at least for me, it is impossible to do manually, never found any good equip here =\ )
With a lot of patience (and a small soldering iron) I would try to take the voice comm button off and place it where the on/off was.
For the battery, maybe someone here can point if there is a "battery charger" standalone device, or such a thing...
Good luck man
hey thanks for the quick reply!
i'm not thinking of doing it myself, i'm not not that precise nor is my solder, but i know a guy, same dude that fixed my usb. I like that idea more than the other, but i guess that remapping the screen on/off and using the soft reset button would be much safer.. i haven't made up my mind about that yet.
Weir thing about MY wiz, at least thats what i think happened to me last time my battery was completely discharged, is that not only the device must be ON for it to charge, but it needs to have WINDOWS already loaded, i know for most devices it's not like that, but i think thats how mine works, or at least thats the only explanation i could find!
btw, i love your case modding concept, and since i might have my wiz sitting for a while, i might go ahead and try something too! nothing as extreme as yours of course.. i'd love to see more updates on your project along with some guide to see what ideas i can take
slight detail while thinking my options.. if i was to remap the screen on/off function to another button, would i need to have the device in sync? or connected via cable? because when i had the usb soldered, don't know how nor why (all the pins seem to be ok) but the device won't be recognized by any computer, usb only works for charging (or used to work, at least, still haven't figured why it won't charge now).
If its only an app that i can load to the phone, once i have it working (that if i ever will), i can load the app thru minisd, BT or IrDa so that would't be a problem.. i haven's investigated that issue yet.
Hey jinxie, how's your Wizard?
If you're still stuck with the battery (I hope not), check this out...
I think this will solve your battery problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4963547&postcount=5
That's probably to work, just be carefull with the battery's temperature. If it starts to heat, stop the process and wait it to get normal, then start again.
Good luck!
i tried keeping the wires attached to the contacts for a while, didn't think it'd work better doing it just for a little and then repeating the process, i'll try that!
yeap, i'm still stuck and i think i will be for a while, i have to solve the battery issue first (would be useless to do anything else if i'm not certain i will get it to work), then i have to decide what i am going to do with the power button, and then i might paint it, i'm thinking matte black, or maybe take some ideas from your project if you have made any progress at the time!
thanks for the tip, i'll try it today and i let you know how it went
development: phone DOES NOT turn on with the soft reset button as i thought, i was sure it did, but after jumping the bat once again, tried the wiring method (not repeating the jump start but wiring it directly to de device pins), and tried to turn it on with soft reset and dind't work, while it does turn on with the power button, wich is broken, so in order to turn it on i cannot have the phone assambled, wich means that in order to try to make it work, i will need to hold the battery attached with my hands, and it is a pain in the.. you know where.
update: i wired the charger i was using to jump start the battery to the pins in the wizard, then held the battery in place with my hand, with a small screwdriver i pushed the broken power button. wizard turned on, IT FINALLY LOADED WINDOWS, but don't rush, i then (with my MOUTH) connected the USB wall charger to the port in the phone, and removed the wiring, i was expecting the goddamn light to turn on and the screen to tell me that my phone was finally charging. I WAS WRONG. then i had to let go because my hand was killing me and it went off
and the damn thing refuses to charge! what could it be????????
2nd update: I AM MACGYVER !
i figured the wiring had given the bat enough power to load windows on its own, so tried once more holding everything together with my hand but without wiring the pins this time, and at last the amber light turned on!!! im so proud of myself lol
SO NOW: device works ok, charges ok, battery has enaugh power to load windows, WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT THE BROKEN POWER BUTTON? i know you can't remap the power function since its hardware, but the screen on/off function might be remapped. soft reset button DOES not turn on the phone, is there any other way of turning it on? or my only option is to take off the voice command button and soldering it where the power button should be?
well, found the little button part that was missing, glued it (yes, GLUED it), and it kinda worked, i had painted the casing already, so i assembled everything back again. i used a folded piece of paper to hold the button still so it won't fall again and i think it was too big cause now its kind of hard to press but i can live with that, what i cannot live with is NO SIGNAL.. i mean, CMON!! are you kiddin me? now that the button works, battery works, phone assembled, and now this?? when i dissassembled the phone i forgot to take out the sim card, so the metal parts that hold it opened a bit, but i pressed them back, the sim in no way loose, so i guess i might have screwed the attenna :S
i've just checked, i can see the sim contacts so... [CENSORED] !!!
also now the screen looks weird.. like if it had less colours, like when you format your pc and haven's installed the graphic drivers yet, 3d effects look funny..
Hey man, have you painted ALL the Wizard parts, on both sides?
'Cause there is one that has a piece of copper board inside. It makes contact with the antenna. Without that contact, you'll never have signal
The piece I'm talking about is the one that has the camera protection, saying "1.3 MP camera". Look at its back and see if there's no paint on a green and golden plate. Remove the paint if it got there (the golden part is the important one, since it makes contact with the antenna).
Good luck man!
hahah lol, no of course i didn't paint both sides! but anyways im gonna take it apart again, clean it, and try again..
done. it had some paintng yes, but they were very tiny spray drops, so i don't think that is, anyway i cleaned it. On the other hand, i found that the antenna is loose on the left side :S what can i do about it?
Hey again gang,
I bought a used G1 on craigslist for $25 a week ago.
This thing has been dropped a ton of times and a very small crack in the upper right corner of the screen, but the screen works fine. It powers on and operates 100%.
The problem:
The screen randomly goes out and fades to a black screen but is still back-lit.
The rest of the device is still functioning and operates normally. (continues to play music, doesn't lock up, etc).
At times, this happens when I press one of the bottom four buttons but not all the time. I could just be reading a website and not touching any buttons and the screen will 'fizzle out' and not come back.
The ONLY way I can get the screen to respond is to press the red/end button and make sure the bottom buttons are not lit... then wait 5-20 seconds, THEN press menu to wake up the phone again. At this point I stand a 25% chance the phone will activate the screen again. It WILL wake up the rest of the device correctly every time... just not the screen. 50% of the time I have to let the G1 sit for a few minutes in 'standby' mode then try again.
(i am not a novice with Android phones and know this is not a back-light settings/timeout issue.)
At first I thought "This is a simple short somewhere!", but I am not so sure...
When the device stays on I performed the following tests:
* Applied pressure to the screens surface in every direction and can not duplicate the problem.
* Applied pressure to the movement of the screen in every direction and can not duplicate the problem.
* Applied pressure to every button on the device and can not duplicate the problem.
* Applied pressure to the chassis surface (completely) and can not duplicate the problem.
My next thought was "The guy i got this G1 from dropped it in liquid. I need to remove any mineral deposits from the internal parts!"
... I then gave the device an alcohol bath for 1 minute.
(relax... it was 100% alcohol not 70%)
After letting the alcohol dissipate for 2 days I inserted the battery and started the G1. All was going well for about 20 minutes... then the same 'fizzle out' problem happened.
My next thought was "Maybe the battery is damaged?!?!!"... but then I remembered that the rest of the device still continues to function properly. No lock-ups or anything. Just the screen 'fizzles out' and fades to black but is still back-lit.
I will try a friends battery just to rule this out, but I am not optimistic.
This G1 is not my primary phone. If I can't figure this out I will probably just hang on to it and use it to test apps I make, so it is no big deal.
What do you think the issue is?
a) the screen needs to be replaced.
b) the motherboard needs to be replaced.
c) the battery needs to be replaced.
d) the device has lived a good life... don't waste your time and money.
no tips on this problem?
never mind...
in a fit of rage i smashed it with a hammer.
the good news is, i don't have this problem anymore =)
kidding.... i sold it on Craigslist.
Seems it was jus the screen that was jacked up man, maybe the ribbon that connects the screen to the Mboard was damage/worn out
Hi,
i'm so sad about my HD2. I was gifted the phone and it was stock. After a day, of reading how to go Android, i moved on. Wonderful phone, i was so happy with it... even better with Android. Last weekend went camping, on an island, as you might expect i got there by boat. So cruising with the wind in my hair, feeling the waves... BAM, a wave spashes on the boat and gets me wet. I had the phone on a purse, one of those bags like women have but for guys.
I checked the phone, the purse was wet, but the phone was in somewhat waterproof lining and thought it was ok, maybe humidity. As i got to the place tried to turn the phone on, or wake it... it was as if i was pressing the on button in repeat, on, off, on, off (sleep, wake, sleep, wake). Took the battery of and reinserted, new boot (android boots as sonn as you connect battery) buttons flashing, i believe de flash turn on... i took it off again and tought maybe some humidity or water, now i was getting worried, got inside... let it rest a while.
Tried the day after, boot, but the buttons were wierd. Took battery let it rest, dried, hairdryer, left it on top of router, where is warm for almost 2 days.
Now i'm stuck at magldr. I have no volume down to enter bootloader, manage with volume up inside magldr but the other buttons are all fu**ed up. Sometimes they flash, sometimes brighter. At a few moments ago i was able to boot to Android and navigate with touchscreen as always, perfect, but no hard keys. No way to do back, home, end, menu...nothing!! I press and strange things happen, voice dialer, volume up, etc... Now i flashed CWM again and can't boot to Android anymore...i know, stupid!!
Can anyone advice to what can this be or if there's some solution?
I was thinking if i could flash stock rom, wm6.5, take it to warranty, because i guess it's on it still, and tell them it stopped working. But i can get to bootloader to flash stock wm.
Or get it fixed by my own cost. Thing is, HTC have a crappy assistance here (Portugal) and it's way too expensive.
Or try to disassemble the phone just to get to the buttons to see what happened, if indeed are just the damn buttons. Maybe try a clean, one of those electronics sprays for electric contacts or something.
Sorry for the long post... i'm getting desperate. I got so attached to HD2, such a great phone. Don't wan't it to become an expensive paper weight.
Thanks in advance guys.
not sure if it will work but put stock rom on sd renaming it leoimg.nbh then press reset button, under battery cover. its how you flash HPSL
Hm, all you should did in this time is to remove battery, then dry it with hair dryer. Do not try to start phone now. Tray to dismantle phone and clean with alcohol (non drinkable one)
I tried do turn it on, everything worked with the touch screen. The problem is the hard keys.
@robbie: i don't have volume down, so no bootloader, no flashing stock rom...
@gaggins: i dried it with hairdryer, left it rest in warm place, on top of router. Still no volume down, and hard keys are faulty. I was trying not to open phone. Besides to get to the hard keys i have to dismantle the entire phone right? Can i bathe the phone in alcohol and let it dry?
It seems as if the power button is stuck. In magldr, i can navigate with volume up and have to keep windows key pressed and to select press also home key. If i select tetris the pieces are always rotating. No side movement, no bring down, nothing.. just constant rotate. The rotate key in tetris, in magldr is the end/power button right?
Can i flash a rom with magldr "USB Flash" ??
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Can i flash a rom with magldr "USB Flash" ??
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not without bottom left key to select.
There may still be water in it after a few days, someone wrote put it in a ziplock bag of rice (sieve rice first and remove batt) for a day.
There may be water damage stickers inside which if red might invalidate warranty, apparently these can be bought online.
Alcohol may be final solution.
Good luck
The stickers are as white as snow. The phone didn't got actually wet, or soaked or fell in water.
Maybe try with rice, or soak the bottom part were the keys are in distilled water, then in alcohol and then the rice.
i wouldn't use distilled water, even though no deposits, you could still cause corrosion on pcb. you said earlier about electronics sprays, it might be worth research while hd2 is in rice
First I lose the screen as I back into something and a piece of metal barely tapped the screen and it was enough to crack it. I got it replaced and a week later the SD card went bad (couldn't save it regardless of the deep format options I tried). That forced me to buy a new card and have to re-install about 80-100 apps and games and re-configure everything.
It' been about a month since then and I get a call this morning. Upon hanging up the screen won't turn back on. I think...whatever. I pull the battery to reboot it and bam...at the Windows Phone 7 logo screen it starts to vibrate............and vibrate....and vibrate. Great...it won't stop vibrating. Looking it up online it seems the ONLY way to fix it...is to hard reset it AGAIN. $^#$^ that lol.
So the vibrator conveniently has a open window to it right above the LED flash so you can see it without having to remove the layers of plastic. I took a piece of tape, rolled it up and cut it down....and jammed it in their to prevent it from spinning.....phone works fine now (just simply dont have vibrate options now).
Hopefully when MS gets off their arse and launches Mango, the update will reset whatever screwed up setting it is that is causing it to flip out and I can take the tape out. That is...if the motor doesn't some how burn out from being jammed ^^.
Maybe I should have gone with the Samsung :/
At lease someone can benefit from this if their vibrate screws up and they don't want to hard reset. Just jam the little guy from moving! It's not like your losing anything...the vibrate on the Surround is so low, most of the time you don't even feel it go off in your pocket.
09/22/2011 Update: Well then! This proves a success for those having this issue in the future. Many HTC phones seem to have experienced this (based on searching out the vibration issues google). I removed the tape this evening, and the vibrator was still. At first I assumed it must have been burnt out from keeping it from spinning...as it was still generating power (eating through the battery that whole time)......but after testing it out...everything is back to normal. Vibration function is working fine. So I guess if you wait it out, it corrects itself eventually. How...I don't know...but I recommend jamming the motor if you ever experience it vs letting it vibrate continually for a day or two which prob would burn it out. No hard reset needed!I still want a new phone though...something just as thin but with a slide out keyboard and duel proc and cams
My surround works well all the time