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my experience with the T-Mobile vs I-mate roms

Hi,
I have two Wizards here - one is mine and one belongs to a friend of mine (bought it for her here in Holland).
Anyway, she speaks English only and therefore I flashed the ROM with an I-Mate K-Jam rom (the latest WWE_1010903_106_10110_ship from club imate).
Both devices come from T-Mobile Netherlands. They are exact copies apart from the ROM.
Oh, I also disabled the Anti-Virus of the K-Jam and removed Skype.
So... which one works better???
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Well, I ran SPB benchmark on both of them and the one with the K-Jam rom gives better results - however they are marginallly better.
In terms of stability and browsing speed - it seems like the K-JAM browses the internet better and quicker and it also didn't crashe while browsing - while the T-Mobile device did crash twice while browsing the net over wifi - this is quite noticable.
So... my bottom line seems to show that the I-Mate K-Jam rom seems a bit better and a tad faster.
I'll continue to play with the phones and let you know if I have any more results...

hi all,
im a newbie so if i offend anyone, i apologise for my innocence. I have purchased the xda mini s. From reading all the forums would you say the k-jam rom is the best out of all the other roms? Do you think its a wise choice to flash the phone to the k-jam for better results?
Thanks

personally I wouldn't. the xda mini s rom has very few if any bugs reported and I have read some posts from people who have flashed to kjam and been disappointed.
(the story for the tmobile rom is not so good though as they seem to have disabled stuff)

Set your Mini S up in BASIC mode and remove the O2 shortcuts from Windows\Startup and you'll have a nice stable device.

Hi in my vario startup there is something called
elatepushservice
sddaemon
zzinstall
what are these? ok to remove?!
hmmm...

Lisa...
RAM total is same with this ROMs? 44MB?
I think are ROMs that have about 50MB RAM total, but I think are old...

Skype on the Wizard

I'm looking to purchase this, most likely as the T-mobile MDA.
My question is... can this phone do Skype well? Some posts say it does it well, others say that Skype doesn't run at all, so its sort of like asking 3 people, getting four answers.
Thanks very much in advance.

Skype requires at least 300 Mhz CPU and the Wizard has 195 Mhz only. I have tried Skype on my QTek 9100 with AKU2 (using the skype low-cpu build) and the phone comes into a crawl when you are on a call with Skype. It's just that Skype is NOT an optimized ARM application (in reality it is nothing but a quick port) and so it takes away all the CPU, and even then it is not enough to encode/decode full speed and so the voice coming through is really grabbled.
I personally find Skype unusable on the Wizard devices. You need a faster CPU for it. Your alternatives are:
1. Email Skype and tell them to optimize the damn thing.
2. Use SJPhone instead which supports all SIP-based VoIP services after a bit of configuration (e.g. Gizmo, Ekiga, Stanaphone, Vonage etc)
3. Wait for the HTC Hermes phone which has a 416 Mhz CPU.

Thanks for the information.
Its a tough choice here. Do I purchase a HTC Wizard from T-Mobile now, and overclock it to 240mhz, or do I wait for T-Mobile to spit out the Hermes here in the States? Since the US seems the last place that cool phones appear, it may be '07 before the Hermes hits the T-Mobile catalog.

If it doesn't have to be Skype
SJPhone works fine without overclocking. Overclocking, of course, isn't a big deal.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=36573

using Skype on my I-mate K-Jam on my own wireless network with no problems at all as long as i dont have any other applications running too.

Skype works fine if you overclock with OMAPCLOCK. I have it automatically overclock to 250 when I launch skype and it works great.

vespa said:
Skype works fine if you overclock with OMAPCLOCK. I have it automatically overclock to 250 when I launch skype and it works great.
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Yep 240 overclock automatically here and it works just fine. VOIP etc

>Do I purchase a HTC Wizard from T-Mobile now, and overclock it to
>240mhz, or do I wait for T-Mobile to spit out the Hermes here in the States?
One thing I don't understand here in USA, is why people only get phones that their carriers are offering and they don't buy unlocked phones. Sure, you will have to do a 10-minute configuration for GPRS and MMS, but other than that, an unlocked phone would work just fine. And you will get it immediately after shipping!

Skype works cool on qtek9100 aku2 rom. Not sure if I wasnt doing it properly but in the original stock qtek rom 9/22/05 didnt work quite well when I overclocked and used skype. With aku2 rom its much better when I overclock to same speed as earlier.
Eugenia said:
One thing I don't understand here in USA, is why people only get phones that their carriers are offering and they don't buy unlocked phones. Sure, you will have to do a 10-minute configuration for GPRS and MMS, but other than that, an unlocked phone would work just fine. And you will get it immediately after shipping!
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Now you have asked the right question. I come from India and currently here in states. I really get mad to see how cingular/tmobile rob the junta (common man). They take the original s/w, tweak it to lock important features and then sell the features by asking you to pay more money for that. thats bad.
So what if they give phones at cheap rates. Personally I would prefer paying a little extra and not be their slave.

Poor GPRS performance

I've had my O2 Exec since Feb this year and its fab. Way better than the mobile messenger iPAQs that I had previously.
One thing that is bugging me though is the poor performance of the GPRS/UMTS connection I get - regardless of where I am at the time.
Say I open Opera (but not limited to) and request a website. It initially loads some of the page and then the GPRS connection drops and then says there's a problem with the modem message. If I then refresh the request for the page it connects and loads a bit more.... This happens with IE on the phone too.
I thought this 3G network thing was supposed to be way better than previous offerings... doesn't seem like it to me.

hi, I am havin simillar problem with GPRS speed.I'm using mda pro and the gprs is really slow. when trying to load a website it takes ages and happens not to load at all. once the desired website is loaded then the navigation within the website and speed is good. I think is a mda pro (universal issue) cos I have just upgraded from mda vario (htc wixard) and I must admit the wizard gprs performance is way batter. is there any way to speed up the uni and gprs problem.
cheers, cudo

could be dependent on signal and the quality of the service... i've never had such problems on mine. 3G works well especially when downloading emails :shock:

Yes I am another one with this issue and it has followed me with 4 units so I now know it is a Universal problem. I have just upgraded to a TyTN last week and used all my sim cards, Vodaphone, o2 and Tmobile and they all make the Universal look like a dialup.

but I wonder why is it working this way thtat onced a website is loaded and I navigate within this website then the speed is ok but when I try to load different address I have low speed again? will changing the rom help?
cherers,cudo

cudo said:
but I wonder why is it working this way thtat onced a website is loaded and I navigate within this website then the speed is ok but when I try to load different address I have low speed again? will changing the rom help?
cherers,cudo
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strange, mine is ok (using opera 8.6), maybe you could try a rom upgrade yes, i have 1.30.77.
hmm what speed are you talking about? umts speed or device responsiveness? this sounds like you mean the latter...?

cudo said:
but I wonder why is it working this way thtat onced a website is loaded and I navigate within this website then the speed is ok but when I try to load different address I have low speed again? will changing the rom help?
cherers,cudo
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Sounds like a problem with dns. No idea what you could do to improve that.

Can anyone recommend a better ROM as opposed to the O2 one?
The issue for me is constant disconnections, not the speed.

I also have the problem of poor UMTS speed on T-Mobile. In fact GPRS is quicker.
Would a more generic rom such as Qtek or Imate work better or is it the hardware that is rubbish ?
Thanks
Stu

StuBFrost said:
I also have the problem of poor UMTS speed on T-Mobile. In fact GPRS is quicker.
Would a more generic rom such as Qtek or Imate work better or is it the hardware that is rubbish ?
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i have the newest qtek rom on mine and i easily get 300 kbps on umts. much better than gprs, and is stable. it is definitely not the universal hardware in general if you have a problem. you could try this rom.

cmonex said:
StuBFrost said:
I also have the problem of poor UMTS speed on T-Mobile. In fact GPRS is quicker.
Would a more generic rom such as Qtek or Imate work better or is it the hardware that is rubbish ?
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i have the newest qtek rom on mine and i easily get 300 kbps on umts. much better than gprs, and is stable. it is definitely not the universal hardware in general if you have a problem. you could try this rom.
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Thanks for the reply.
The odd thing about it is that it was fine until about 2 weeks ago but I think I will give the another rom a try and hope the speed increases.

StuBFrost said:
cmonex said:
StuBFrost said:
I also have the problem of poor UMTS speed on T-Mobile. In fact GPRS is quicker.
Would a more generic rom such as Qtek or Imate work better or is it the hardware that is rubbish ?
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i have the newest qtek rom on mine and i easily get 300 kbps on umts. much better than gprs, and is stable. it is definitely not the universal hardware in general if you have a problem. you could try this rom.
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Thanks for the reply.
The odd thing about it is that it was fine until about 2 weeks ago but I think I will give the another rom a try and hope the speed increases.
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hmm you could check with your provider, maybe the problem is with them then..

cmonex said:
StuBFrost said:
cmonex said:
StuBFrost said:
I also have the problem of poor UMTS speed on T-Mobile. In fact GPRS is quicker.
Would a more generic rom such as Qtek or Imate work better or is it the hardware that is rubbish ?
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i have the newest qtek rom on mine and i easily get 300 kbps on umts. much better than gprs, and is stable. it is definitely not the universal hardware in general if you have a problem. you could try this rom.
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Thanks for the reply.
The odd thing about it is that it was fine until about 2 weeks ago but I think I will give the another rom a try and hope the speed increases.
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hmm you could check with your provider, maybe the problem is with them then..
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I have contacted T-Mobile and they said they would check to see if there is a problem at their end. I guess I will wait for their answer before I do any rom changes.

hi I got this problem with slow internet until today..I got now idea of weather it is a coincidence or not but it works. I bought pocket mechanic pro 2.13 and cleaned all the reg stuff, deleted broken shortcuts , fixed dead areas and so on and on..and after that the gprs and umts works like a charm...I'm happy now.
cheers, cudo

Palm -> MDA -> Palm

I'm literally at the end of my fuse here. :doh: I really wanted to give the MDA a chance, but I'm sitting next to a pile of old fashioned index cards that have served as my PIM since I got my MDA. Here's my rant:
1. MDA is SLOW. When I want to call someone, the default software's call list takes forever to pull someone's name up. While I'm driving, this makes me 10x more likely to have an accident just waiting for the thing to pull up. I overclocked my MDA with Smartskey and did a simple registry change that speeds things up, but it's still SLOW. When you type a letter for a contact's name, it should pull up, even my 6 year old Palm Vx is quicker.
2. I tried Pocket Informant, and it's damn complicated and slow too. I would consider myself a pretty tech savvy guy, but I stil prefer Palm's Agendus, simple but does the job.
3. I hate Outlook! I'm not a corporate slave, but an entrepreneur that doesn't want to get tied to some ugly, generic Microsoft product that spreads viruses. I want my Palm Desktop back!
4. Internet with T-mobile is SLOW!!! I got this phone because I wanted to use google outdoors, then I'd have the world in my hands. I thought that EDGE would have bearable speeds, but it's worse than AOL 33.6k dial-up. I live in the Los Angeles area where EDGE is supposed to be active, but it just seems like a waste of $30/month.
So I've thought about this a lot, and was wondering your opinions...
I think I want to go back to the Palm. Windows Mobile sucks!! I thought WM5.0 would be the latest and greatest, but it's the same old Microsoft s**t.
I would really like to get the Treo 700p, but I have 9 more months of my T-mobile contract. I wish I could get out and try Verizon's EVDO.
Thanks for listening,
Hanguo Laohu

At a guess I'd say you're using the stock T-mobile rom then.

Stock MDA rom
You are correct. Does the newer ROM make that much difference? I mean, if my 6 year old Palm Vx can instantly go from contacts to calendar, I was assuming that the MDA could do the same.
HL

The new ROM is much stabler and quicker than its predecessor.

I owned a treo 650 for several months then I moved to the wizard. the wizard is hands down the better pda/phone than the treo.
if you have such hatred towards the wizard, then go back to the treo, no one is stopping you.

I used to have a treo 600 and then the 650. I then moved to the MDA, and I have to agree that the MDA is much better. I also agree that you should upgrade to the latest rom before giving up on the mda.

I think from your feelings about Microsoft, and this device, you would be far better suited to a Mac as your main PC, and a Palm as your PDA, and enjoy the simplistic no frills use from them.

I'm not going to bash Palm or defend MS products, merely state my opinion..
Palm seems to work fine for many people. In my experience these are people who prefer an "out-of-the-box" solution. Open it, put batteries in and go. That's fine, I can't knock that.
WM appears to be a platform more suited to "tweakers" who like a customized solutions and don't mind the effort of assembling the pieces. I really believe that if you're only using the preinstalled apps in WM then you are on the wrong device.

Using a cellphone whilst driving
Please don't take this the wrong way, you could do everybody a favour and not use your phone will driving?
http://www.talewins.com/protectyourself/cellphones.htm
regards

I like you moved from a Treo 600 to the MDA and hated it at first. It's slow, kind of like running XP on a 386 and almost impossible to use one handed although you can. But since I sold the Treo (& I've been a palm man since the pilot days) I thought I'd tweak the MDA to see what it could do. Here's what I suggest,
1 - update to the new ROM, just do it that solves a host of issues
2- Overclock it, I don't know why they dont do this out of the box but it makes the thing run almost normally
3- Careful about what you install, if you think it runs slow now, try maxing out memory
4- Use a Bluetooth headset
5- Keep reading this forum, many great ideas & programmers
After the above I like it, maybe not better than the Treo but it's every bit as good just a little different. I actually like Activesync better than Palms, really why push a button, it should just do it.

hanguolaohu said:
1. MDA is SLOW. When I want to call someone, the default software's call list takes forever to pull someone's name up. While I'm driving, this makes me 10x more likely to have an accident just waiting for the thing to pull up.
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Use MS Voice Command. I use it while driving and I never even have to play with my MDA. I just push the button on the side that I assigned to the MS Voice command program, then I say, Call So and So and work....or home...or cell. It repeats it back, you either say YES if it got it right or NO, if it was a NO, you just repeat it again. It's really a very easy way to make phone calls while you are driving.

update to the T-Mobile 2.26 (if you have MDA T-Mobile). Or install cleaned rom, then install OMAP Plus to overclock you device.
I would know if palm is better than WM5. Windows hands down, i've used all the treos stopping at the 650. Horrible compare to any XDA. And i have used all the palm devices such as nx90 uh series. all of them cuz i sell them. Not great

hanguolaohu said:
I would really like to get the Treo 700p, but I have 9 more months of my T-mobile contract. I wish I could get out and try Verizon's EVDO
Hanguo Laohu
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I use a air card EVDO adapter for my laptop for Verizon's EVDO. You will not get half the speed on any PPC/Palm because of their processors. Your best using your laptop for EVDO.
On my phone I just use Wi-Fi.

With BlueTooth headset and MS Voice Command, I do not even have to touch my MDA to make a phone call. 8)

to really see the difference between WM5 and Palm one should use the exchange activesync or the blackberry connect options on WM5 over the Palm ... i've configured so many palms but i would say WM5 is a much better OS than Palm when it comes to what it could possibly do.
When it comes to stability, both of them are the same. Out of 10 Palm Treo users, the one who decided on getting the Treo 700w was the only who hasn't really complained about anything.
if i were you, i would get a third party exchange hosting account which would cost around 12USD a month and see how different it is. With this service, you can have you email, contacts, calendar, and tasks (PIM) synchronized over the air to your mobile, laptop, desktop, pc or Mac ... no more bluetooth or usb activesyncing ....
choosing between GSM and CDMA is another issue ... if you choose CDMA over GSM then that means that you are stuck in the US, Japan (in some parts) and Korea and maybe another handful countries ... while if you decide on going GSM, you have the option of going to almost any country in the world since GSM is the global standard. ... even verizon's mother company, Vodafone is one of the biggest GSM service providers in the world (tell that to the government which made Vodafone use CDMA here in the US)
As far as the MDA, it has been known that the HTC Wizard (T-Mobile MDA Vario / MDA) is underpowered but having like a Universal or Blue Angel you would see the difference in performance.
Currently, i'm using a Qtek 8500 and it's quite snappy and it uses the same CPU as the T-Mobile MDA (Vario) ... it kinda slows down whenever i run PocketStreets 2006 (yes 2006!) with my GPS... i'll hold off until i could get the MDA Vario II or Cingular 8525 here locally stateside ... been buying all my gadgets in the UK just because the damn US is so behind in mobile technology ... he he he
Enjoy!

PPC 2003 or WM6.1?

If I am just using my Typhoon for contacts, calendar, and tasks on the go, should I stick with PPC 2003 or upgrade the phone to WM6.1? I wouldn't be on internet because I don't have a data plan, but I love the threaded texting of WM6.1. In summary, would WM6.1 or PPC 2003 be faster on my Typhoon?

2003 of WM6.1
I would like to hear coments too! I was given a Typhoon (Audiovox SMT5600) and was planning on doing the same thing as Geeksquad. My Typhoon is sim unlocked and ready to go, just need a direction. I'll be using Outlook 2000 at work and 2007 at home, anyone see major issues here as well.
Thanks in advance.

what is sim unlocked? do i need to do it if i use at&t?

You only need to sim unlock if your going to use the phone on a different network.
Since I'm using T-moblie, I would have sim unlocked the phone given to me, but I was lucky and it was already unlocked.
Now all we need to do is Appilcation unlock them to re-flash. Depending on what others are going to tell us

ppc 2003 is fast enuf, but would 5,6, or 6.1 be faster?

Hey guys, as of my experience, WM6.1 is much much faster than WM2003SE.
Added to that, the look and functionality are amazingly better. It seems like having purchased a brand new phone!
Can only recommend...

I am a proud owner of a HTC Feeler (Sp3i) and I would say that for your purposes, if you are not afraid of bricking your phone, it is definitely worth upgrading to WM 6.1. There will be some loss of speed, but it is not anything that is unbearable. I must agree with with Prerna that WM6.1 brings new life to your phone and it does look amazing. For your purposes, the added functionality comes in terms of different layouts and a few more options in terms of network options than the original ROM. There are also a lot of new programs being written for the WM6.1 platform that can not be used in WM2003SE platforms. In my opinion, it is worth upgrading, and looking at Karhoe's guide to updating to 6.0 and using the same principles to upgrade to 6.1 makes it really easy.

I tried everyway way to upgrade my Spv c500 2003se but couldn't succeed except with JAFWM i used mtty , NBFtool but couldn't get it n i always get this [294] Invalid Vendor ID problem when try RuuOCHv2.5_v4.2.5.2_ship.exe (Update utility) n when i try Windows.Mobile.5.ROM.Pack.For.HTC.Typhoon.C500.SMT5600 then it stuck on 11% or sometimes on 14% n get utility error has encounter it has to be closed etc so tell me what way should i try ?

I've been running Aluet's WM6.1 for Typhoon/Feeler/Amadeus v 1.3 on my old SMT5600 from Cingular for about 6 months now.
I gave it to my oldest son when he started 5th grade. It's been working flawlessly and I would not have given it to him if I felt there were issues. This is actually why I had not loaded version 1.5 of the same rom as there were stability problems at the time.
The phone had 2003 on it and after loading WM6.1 and playing with it for a while I was quite impressed. There are occasional slow downs if a lot of things are left opened but freeing up mem takes care of it.
I still have another SMT5600, as I got a great deal on a couple refurbs, so I will be doing this all over when my youngest son gets a phone next year.

I've been searching the world for a threaded messaging program. Anybody wanna point me in the right direction. I would flash it to WM6.1, but it's acting like it doesn't wanna work.