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Hi, I have been very happily using my XDA with a '3' SIM after unlocking it but as of this weekend, it stopped working. It will work with other network SIMs so I know the phone is fine. I called '3' but obviously they are not interested. Is it because of the IMEI? If so, I would like to find out how I can change it ... My radio was 4.21 so I downgraded to 3.23.00 and then tried XDA Manipulator but it does not show that option (flashes and dissappears) . I cannot seem to find Radio Stacks V4.06 or 4.10 anywhere ... any help much appreciated.
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How did you downgrade the radio stack, please give me the method used because I know many people will be interested, I have never managed it either.
Reference your usage of the sim from 3, I cannot see it being an imei problem, as you know the xda is not 3 compatable so it will be logging you on through a 3rd party network as far as I know. If the imei was blocked it would not work with any operator here in uk. Does the 3 sim work in another phone.?
I found GERMAN Radio Stack from this forum. (REF:http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=2185). The '3' network also uses O2 network. Have not tried '3' sim in another phone - will test tomorrow.[/b]
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How did you downgrade the radio stack, please give me the method used because I know many people will be interested, I have never managed it either.
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i have downgraded a few times, but i dont know if this method will work 4 u.
if i currently have a TMO stack, ill go to a ATT stack, then i can bak to an earlier TMO, or visa versa
i only tried this with ATTs and TMOs, never had the need to try other stacks...(or should i :twisted: )
It is possible that the phone has been blocked, I have had this problem with 2 phones that I bought as faulty, I repaired them only to find that the sellers had claimed on insurance then sold the knackered phone which had been blocked by the provider.
JUICEe - I am not brave enuff to go down that route given the dire warnings from this forum in moving from UK/Europe stacks to US ones.
crusing-thru - Given that XDA works perfectly ok with 02 SIM, and '3' SIM works fine in 3' phone, I believe its something about the '3' SIM/Network and not the phone that is preventing me using it in my XDA at this time.
Tx for the interest, hope you were able to downgrade using the German stack. It works fine with O2 SIM.
It is strange though that the sim was working fine then doesnt work in xda but still works in another phone. Have you tried an orange or t mobile sim in the phone? If you are positive that 3 uses O2 as a patch network then ignore this. Have you been to bootloader and inadvertently changed gsm to 900 only, if 3 uses an 1800 network this would explain it, if you havent been to bootloader then I have no idea and if as you said the people at 3 are not interested I would consider dumping them as a service provider.
"Hutchison 3G has agreed to share network facilities owned by UK operator mmO2 to ensure rapid time to market even before its own network is complete, with customers roaming between Hutchison's limited 3G network and mmO2's existing second generation network. Hutchison's right to let customers roam with at least one existing competitor's 2G network is part of the 3G license and enforceable by law."
3 have locked the SIM, must be in one of their phones or will not work, even though it uses O2 as a voice network. Seen this problem many times, and there is nothing you can do about it. Anyone who has made it work is just lucky, and 3 will get to you in the end.
Don't ask me why they do it as to me they are restricting their own business, cos if you use your own handset, you are likely to use it more. Just ask my girlfriend who just hates her nec 606 and hardly uses it!!
Hi,
Basically what happened was that O2 complained to '3'. People were getting the cheap tarriffs from '3' and using them in 2g handsets.
O2's opinion was those people 'should' be using O2 as their provider if they are just using the 2g voice part.
'3' realised that if this becomes wide spread, although they will still make a % off the voice call in profit (after paying O2 for using their 2g network), they wont be acustoming people to using any of the 3g functions.
Really they would be hindering the progression of users from 2g to 3g, which may end up costing them alot more ultimately.
In my opinion it was most likely O2 threatening to take action too.
Really their marketing stratedgy is to give out cheap voice calls, to get the 3 phone in your hand... then they bombard u with offers to try video calls etc etc eventually 'in theory' u get used to these services.. same old story.
I havnt monitored the message, but from what i can tell they are using one of two things to stop the phones working:
1) capability messages from the phone restricting the phone from completing authentification because it isnt '3g' capable. That could be done as part of the auth process, raising the required capability to 3g.
2) Using the SAT (sim application toolkit) capability to talk to the USIM and dissable it.
Although SAT and USIM are not actually compatible, you can talk to a USIM through a SAT phone with limited functions.
If they're using (1) your **** outta luck really. But if that were the case you would expect everyone to be knocked out within the space of a month max (when they update the hlr records). Did you just get your 3 card?
If its 2.. you may be able to try an OLD handset that isnt SAT capable, just to prove the point.
I'm leaning towards (2) because i do know that on many nokia's if u type a number as soon as you boot up the phone it will work.
Also if u leave a digit on the screen.. say 0 as soon as u end that call it will still work when u dial the next number.
Clear the digit and not type one quick enough and you gotta reboot before it'll work again.
Sounds like the nokia firmware blocks access to the sim for other processes, in anticipation of reading the KC and doing an auth when u make the call.
Toxic.
Are there any phone differences? T-Mobile have a better tariff suited to myself but is one better than the other?
Hardware is the same to the best of my knowledge on Imate K-jam, MDA vario, Qtek9100 and XDA miniS. I have just got Tmobile MDA vario and I am getting to like it more the more I use it. I have not found a way to avoid greasy ear prints on the screen though, yes I do wash.
Speakerphone is usable even in the car. If you go with Tmobile on a web and walk plan 40 Mb of data sounds alot but with real internet rather than wap I don't think it will go that far. Of course your milage may vary.
Al
Really it is down to the implementation of features such as voicemail for me. With o2, you just get a text message, but with T-Mob, you get the proper voicemail icon and the ability to dial voicemail from the hotkeys. Likewise, the online billing from T-Mob is miles better than o2. Finally, you get the option by default to have sms notifications of missed calls when there is no coverage (With the option to dial the caller from the hotkeys) and have voicemail activated. With o2, it is one or the other.
In short T-Mobile just works better. (plus you get a screen protector for free, not that great but still to be commended)
thanks for the info guys. is there really an issue with wifi wardriving in that you cannot remove old hotspots you have used in the past?
all i can say i had the xda mini s with 02 for 13 days i tried in vain to get a decent signal and talk to people from my home, i took it back after 2 phones and 2 sim cards it was crap. got the t mobile and no problems at all. can talk to people without hissing and crap signal and thats how it should be. well done mda and t mobile. sorted at last.
hope this helps
XDA-mini-S for me
Had mine for 3 weeks now, got it for free on the same tarif I was on (o2 200) from the o2 Store. No problems so far except the ear prints (yes I wash too).
Happy Happy Happy......
Hi Folks,
Just upgraded from an O2 XdA IIs to an iMate JasJar.. Niiiice piece of kit I did the upgrade so I could connect to 3, as they were the only provider that I could find that would let me do a data bundle on my mobile plan (I'm out of the office a lot of the time, so like to get my email via gprs). Anyhoo, everything's working great, except I can't seem to get the right settings for MMS.
So I'm hoping someone here has a universal on 3 here in .au and has MMS working, and can tell me what config they're using..
Thanks,
Damien
G'day Rendrag,
I have seen alot of people having problems with getting 3 MMS to work on their non sold 3 phones, have you checked out the settings here that some people have posted? http://www.aussie3g.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=14311&highlight=3services
I will soon to be investigating this once my m5000 arrives. Apparently everything else works fine on the 3 network.
Cheers
G'day Rendrag,
I have seen alot of people having problems with getting 3 MMS to work on their non sold 3 phones, have you checked out the settings here that some people have posted? http://www.aussie3g.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=14311&highlight=3services
I will soon to be investigating this once my m5000 arrives. Apparently everything else works fine on the 3 network.
Cheers
Hi Ahrjay,
Those are the settings I'm using, but sending MMS's just doesn't work.. I've seen plenty of people on aussie3g.com saying they can't get MMS working but there's been no posts about it since february, so I thought I'd post over here incase someone knew
Regards,
Damien
I thought i made a post in here last nite about my problems too, but i dunno what happened, sufficed to say, i like to consider that i have fairly good know how, when it comes to this sort of stuff, and i can't work out, how to send an mms for the life of me...
and i've tried, everything i can think of... i just can get it to work, i hope someone out there can help us out..
FWIW I have been trying for months as well.
I even tried ringing the help number, but the're useless. They ask what phone you have and when its not one of the "three" phones they have no idea what to do.
Perhaps bumping this up to the front page might help.
Jon
Anyone have any success yet????
Not me.. I even went to the trouble of making a bit of a scene at the hutchinson stand at CeBIT the other month over their MMS not working and them not giving a stuff, but the tech guys all ran for cover, and left the sales guys going 'ummm'.
Rendrag said:
Not me.. I even went to the trouble of making a bit of a scene at the hutchinson stand at CeBIT the other month over their MMS not working and them not giving a stuff, but the tech guys all ran for cover, and left the sales guys going 'ummm'.
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Grr... what the hell is going on?
Surely the phone, is capable of doing it all and then some...
So I have to ask, where is the problem lying? Is it in some sort of I.D. being rejected? Connection settings? Or some sort of software malfunction?
To my understanding, Vodaphone have recently started selling these phones, so i would guess, that they're service is compatiable in every way with the jasjar????
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So I have to ask, where is the problem lying? Is it in some sort of I.D. being rejected? Connection settings? Or some sort of software malfunction?
To my understanding, Vodaphone have recently started selling these phones, so i would guess, that they're service is compatiable in every way with the jasjar????
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Hmm, might be worth a trip down to the local vodaphone store and have a look at what settings they use, and see if they're anything like what we're trying to use on three?
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gunigugu said:
So I have to ask, where is the problem lying? Is it in some sort of I.D. being rejected? Connection settings? Or some sort of software malfunction?
To my understanding, Vodaphone have recently started selling these phones, so i would guess, that they're service is compatiable in every way with the jasjar????
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Hmm, might be worth a trip down to the local vodaphone store and have a look at what settings they use, and see if they're anything like what we're trying to use on three?
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Hmm... well the settings would be different, as they will all be different server...
I think, it's an I.D. thing personally. I think the JasJar is sending some infomation and 3 is just rejecting the whole mms. But i could be way off, i don't know.
What i'm really curious about, is how vodaphone would support their content service, as i can't think of any way to play RTSP streams on a WM5 device. Which is pretty much how all the content on 3 is streamed, making it in-accessible for all of us with Universal's, and all future WM5 devices....
I think this is a universal 3 network issue for the Universal :shock:
I think it would be good if we discuss this all in one universal "3" thread .....I think this thread is a good one to discuss it in because there are people from other countries on the 3 network also trying to sort out similar issues and there know how is also very helpful.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=51646
I've been trying since MAR and no avail. I can "send" MMS to myself and it'll come (so I get the subject header) but when I try to download the actual content it gives some stupid error (the same happens when ppl MMS me - get the header but no content)
Three network
Hi all,
Everyone around the world seem to be having the same issues with the Three network.
I think it might be a good idea if with consolidate all the Three network discussion to one thread. Then maybe if we combine efforts we will find the solutions.
This is the thread I think would be good to move all the discussion to as it already has some good stuff in there
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=51646
I hope you think its a good idea too....and we see you in there.
hi...
im a newbie to the Softbank X01HT, and to be sure would like to ask a few questions before purchasing one...
when people say 'unlock SIM,' it would just allow the X01HT to work with any carrier's card, right? which means that if in another country, i take out Softbank's U-SIM card, and replaced it a local card; then it should theoretically work?
i know that the MAX for the 'Teigaku' for the X01HT approaches 10,000 yen - but does this limit still hold if we use third-party apps, ie., Opera Mobile, Skype, etc.?
when people say 'SIM Free,' i would understand that this is to make the X01HT work even without a SIM card inserted (as ive heard a lot of rumors that without the U-SIM, it just becomes a brick). am i correct in this?
as a follow-up to previous question, if i do choose to make my Softbank X01HT 'SIM Free,' then i can use it just like any other PDA with Full functionality, ie., Bluetooth, WiFi, etc.?
thanks in advanced...!!!
Note: i apologize for asking things that may have been asked before... 'did try searching through the forums, but couldnt find a clear answer to some of my inquiries...
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when people say 'unlock SIM,' it would just allow the X01HT to work with any carrier's card, right? which means that if in another country, i take out Softbank's U-SIM card, and replaced it a local card; then it should theoretically work?
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i found my answer to this in this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1043066&postcount=96
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if some can help me in my other questions - it is much appreciated...
thanks!!!
alfred_jp said:
hi...
im a newbie to the Softbank X01HT, and to be sure would like to ask a few questions before purchasing one...
i know that the MAX for the 'Teigaku' for the X01HT approaches 10,000 yen - but does this limit still hold if we use third-party apps, ie., Opera Mobile, Skype, etc.?
when people say 'SIM Free,' i would understand that this is to make the X01HT work even without a SIM card inserted (as ive heard a lot of rumors that without the U-SIM, it just becomes a brick). am i correct in this?
as a follow-up to previous question, if i do choose to make my Softbank X01HT 'SIM Free,' then i can use it just like any other PDA with Full functionality, ie., Bluetooth, WiFi, etc.?
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i was wondering if anyone can verify these or not?
thanks...
SIM free does not specifically mean it works without a SIM it means you can use your own SIM from your own network. i.e. it is already unlocked. In general this means it will be more expensive to purchase as it is not subsidised by a network provider.
In fact the Hermes does work without a SIM with all the functions that are not SIM dependent.
You will not get a cheaper device if you run third party software because all devices sold come with pre-installed MS operating System and a set of applications (like them or not)
Mike
Hi Alfred,
I will try and answer some of your questions
The X01ht will work fine as just a PDA without the sim installed
The unlimited access is a bit more tricky Opera will work for the unlimited access and i'm unsure about skype tho
Softbanks price plans are a confusing as hell and it does seem to matter what you use it for .
Also you know that the unlimited price of 5,900 yen is a offer and real price is about 9,800
Really if you just want a internet browser/PDA/Skype/Email and not a Phone I would say that you get a Sharp EM one ( if you live in the Tokyo) it's 39,000 with a 2 year contract and a flat rate of 6,000 for unlimited access
it's what i have done ..
Rob
hi rob,
thanks for the reply...
actually im looking for an "all-in-one" type of thing, so the eMobile wont work (voice services are said to begin in 2008/3). also, once you leave tokyo - no more signal...
willcom's WS004SH/WS007SH wont work either since there is no international roaming. also the fact that PHS signals are very weak outside tokyo.
id rather have an AU - unfortunately, no PDA-type devices; so i guess im left with Softbank.
as for the motivation for my post - my only need is that i can use this device when i go abroad and being able to use the locally available SIM cards (so i dont have to pay expensive roaming charges)... im not so privy with experimenting with various ROMs, etc.
but what im worried is that compared to eMobile and Willcom, Softbank's browsing rates are very expensive...
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Hi Alfred,
Really if you just want a internet browser/PDA/Skype/Email and not a Phone I would say that you get a Sharp EM one ( if you live in the Tokyo) it's 39,000 with a 2 year contract and a flat rate of 6,000 for unlimited access
it's what i have done ..
Rob
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So you actually have a Sharp EM one and are using it?
I know Dopod 900 and other 3G phones can be used in Japan as long as you have a 3G enabled SIM card from your home telco. How about the new U1000? If I buy one in Singapore can I use it during my trips to Japan? This is a major purchase decision point so please help if you can. Thanks!
I can confirm it works. And you need to use a handfree to make call. I used 3HK and CSL SIM card in Japan and works just fine.
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I can confirm it works. And you need to use a handfree to make call. I used 3HK and CSL SIM card in Japan and works just fine.
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Could you make a GPRS / internet connection with the Dopod U1000 in Japan?
Yes. It works just fine. No problems.
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Yes. It works just fine. No problems.
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That's good news. Could you please tell me how you set up the GPRS connection?
Edit: oops , I see, you are not using a Japanese service, like Softbank, or NTT. I am still trying to find out whether it's possible to use an unlocked Athena with a Softbank SIM card. I know the it would work as phone, but how to set up the GPRS connection would be the problem.
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That's good news. Could you please tell me how you set up the GPRS connection?
Edit: oops , I see, you are not using a Japanese service, like Softbank, or NTT. I am still trying to find out whether it's possible to use an unlocked Athena with a Softbank SIM card. I know the it would work as phone, but how to set up the GPRS connection would be the problem.
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Yes. I use Singtel and use roaming when I'm in Japan. My SIM has the 3G service activated. I hope you can find a telco offering service in Japan. Good luck.
Using Dopod 900 3G PPC in Japan
Hi! Can anyone tell me how to get the Dopod 900 I bought in Malaysia to work here in Japan? Sales clerks are telling me it's not possible. Dopod's site doesn't offer any help. Thanks a lot. I plan to be here for a month or more so it will really help to find out what's true and possible.
Yes I can confirm it works too.
Professorredbag said:
Hi! Can anyone tell me how to get the Dopod 900 I bought in Malaysia to work here in Japan? Sales clerks are telling me it's not possible. Dopod's site doesn't offer any help. Thanks a lot. I plan to be here for a month or more so it will really help to find out what's true and possible.
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Yes it does. As far as I understand if it supports 3G then it should technically work in japan. Too bad I no longer have my Dopod 900 with me to test it out.
Dopod 900 Woes in Japan
Thanks for your replies. The problem is I want a Japanese sim card and number not the roaming services from Malaysia as I have temporarily moved. This what sales clerks are telling me is not possible. They say I must have a Japanese made handphone. !!?? I know they are protectionist here but surely there is a way around the obstacles.. Any specific suggestions? really appreciate your help!
What I know
I am really interested in this too, as I plan on getting an Athena soon. However, I know that you don't need a "Japanese made handphone". They don't like people using different phones on their network, but they can't really stop you.
Well, they probably can technically stop you, but it is highly unlikely that they will. The reason the sales clerk is telling you it is impossible is probably because there are almost NO unlocked phones in Japan. 99.99% of all phones sold here are branded and locked to a specific carrier.
I am a Hermes user and bought my Hermes through Softbank, a carrier here in Japan. I have since reflashed it hundreds of times and have never had a problem with connecting to the network. I also know others on this board who are Kaiser users who have imported their Kaisers from other countries and are using them on Softbank's system with no problems. There was also a big interest in the mobile device geek community of Japan in the Treo 700w when it first appeared, and I have seen blogs of Japanese guys who have got that running on Softbank's system. So it IS definately possible to run non-Softbank phones on Softbank's network provided you have a valid Softbank SIM.
Some caveats:
I have never seen any carrier here just selling SIMs. You will more than likely have to purchase a phone to get a SIM card.
Voice and SMS (text) should work automatically just by popping in the SIM. Data and MMS are more difficult.
Data
There are two ways of connecting to Softbank's data servers, and each is charged differently. One method uses a public access server, but the charges for using this are quite high. This is the server used for people connecting laptops using cellular modems. The other method allow access under Softbank's tiered and capped system, which is the much cheaper and safer option. The connection settings to access this system are very closely guarded and no one to my knowledge has been able to hack them.
However, there is a workaround. See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298031
The problem with this workaround is that it requires a program called WIFIwake.exe. And it just so happens that WIFIwake.exe is coded specifically for different machines. On the link above, there is a version for the Universal and a version for the Hermes (the U and H in the .zip file names). Valued member Chaimd hex-edited a file to make it work for Kaiser: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328362&highlight=softbank&page=3. And he seemed to think it was a pretty easy job. If asked nicely, he might be able to hex-edit one for Athena too - or not. I don't know.
MMS
MMS is also more difficult to set up. Basically, it requires a program called MMSLite which can be quirky. The only way to know for sure whether it will work with Athena is to try and see I think. And it does NOT work on WM6.1 systems, so you will have to decide between MMS + WM6 or NoMMS + WM6.1. This is the big reason I am thinking of buying the 7501 rather than the 7510.
After some research...
... on some Japanese sites, it seems that a CID unlocked Athena can use the WIFIwake.exe file meant for the Universal.
Also, MMSLite seems to be working as well. So it seems that on the Softbank network at least the Athena can do it all.
Dopod Woes in Japan
Dear Larsuck,
I appreciate your investing so much time and thought to help me. I'm not even remotely savy enough to understand the complexities of your advice but I do gather that buying a Japanese phone is inevitable. Any suggestions for the cheapest? as I'll just use it for local calls and carry my laptop with me when I need other connectivity.
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Any suggestions for the cheapest? as I'll just use it for local calls and carry my laptop with me when I need other connectivity.
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Huh? So you have decided not to the the Athena? There are tons of really cool phones over here that can do many, many different things - but none of them compare to WM in that they aren't as customizable. Go to the Softbank website (English: http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/en/ ) and check them out.
However, if you want to get the Athena, here are two choices:
1) Get the Athena, come to Japan, get a cheap phone (cheap in the relative sense) here, take the SIM card out of it and put it in the Athena. Do some research on this site and get the Athena up and running. Keep the cheap phone just in case the Athena dies.
2) Get the Athena, come to Japan, get an expensive but slightly subsidized phone, unlock it and sell it on ebay. Use the sim card in your Athena and hope it doesn't die.