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XDA Exec *cough* sorry, MDA Pro on T Mobile UK

I can upgrade for £399 (inc vat). Told them "no way, I'll go to O2 thanks". They dropped the price instantly to £250 and then to £200 (for an 18 month contract). They'll have a date for me maybe by the end of the week.
For reference and comparison, I'm about 2 months past the end of my 12 month contract of £15+VAT/month for 100mb and expensive voice calls, normal spend is around £25-£30 inc vat.
I'll wait to see what O2's new data tariffs are like, but if T-mobile can maybe do something to decrease my voice call costs then I think I'll go for it

What tarif is that?
All I found in the T-mobile lists is a 100mb a month 3g datacard tarif, but it was £25 a month, voice at 25p a minute.
£15 a month for 100meg is great!!!
I pay 25p a minute on payg for voice anyway, so id love this tarif, but not sure if yours is similar? where did you see it?
Oh, and forget o2 for data. They suck. They are pushing the blackberry thing, and its like £15 a month for 5meg. Extra data bundles cost a fortune and ive never had a consistant answer on what is included, and what does what, if its full internet access or wap or whatever.

When is the universal due out with our uk carriers?End of the month?

I'm on the old version of that tariff - T Mobile Communication Center (sic) GPRS card at £15+VAT for 100mb and then 50ppm for voice. I bought from http://www.directmobilephones.com
On the downside, if you go over your 100mb, they sting you at £7.50/mb. Ouch.
On the other hand, I'm sure they have billing problems and I reckon I transfer around 40mb/month, not the 25mb on my bill. Or maybe Onspeed is doing a greater job than I thought 8)
O2 do some OK data tariffs - Data 36 at £14.50 and data 512 at £40 (both + VAT iirc) seem like fairly good deals to me, particularly as voice calls are only 25p (inc vat) on that deal.
ps - if anyone wants to try onspeed, please pm me for an affiliate code.

jay,
1st October: T Mobile - source - recent, "off the record" T mobile manager
3rd October: O2 - source - recent, on the record O2
28th October: Vodafone - source - not too recent, on the record vodafone manager
Uknown probably towards the end of October: Orange - source, nothing more than sales droids
Probably never: Three - source, wild speculation :wink:

Cheers for that.If it were to come out on three you'd probably get it for a fiver with free mb forever!Shame everyone else is such a rip off!

If it were to come out on THREE youd be wasting your time as they still dont offer a data service yet!
Correct me if im wrong, but youd want proper internet on your Universal not just the crappy THREE walled garden filled with Manure from THREE.

At risk of straying off topic, Three now offer proper internet access for £45 inc vat (for 512mb iirc). So, based on my current usage of 40ish mb and 30 minutes:
T mobile, 100mb, 30 minutes peak all networks
£30 per month x 12 = £360 + £250 for the handset = £610
O2, using say 40mb + 30 minutes
£27 x 12 + £229 for the handset = £553
I could take out a new contract with T mobile, based on http://www.scancom.co.uk/ on ufix with
ufix 15
£15 x 12 + £305 = £485

My mistake on the THREE data, I didnt know they finally had it. Its a bit much for me though!
a 256meg for £20 would do me. Even 128meg for £10 now thats what we want!
Do you know if the £2.50 for 5meg is restricted at all? it seems strange, but id like to try that first before plonking down £45 quid a month

The "wireless web" £2.50 option does not give full http access - but it does cover a lot of popular websites: most of the bbc, ebay.com (but not .co.uk :lol: ) and quite a few others. But
1) 5mb is nothing :?
2) Once you've used it, you can't have anymore until next month, not even for more money
3) Erm, can't VPN on it

just a question ..
I'm french and living currently in uk - was a student and get a nice IT job. So from my pay as you go card I though getting THE exec or whatever name will the cheaper give to it
-> I really think to use VOIP over GPRS ..
Is skype usable with it ?
What the cost such solution ? (only the data on the carrier)
Could the carrier block or put on the contract a restriction on the VOIP ? (From what I get from my friends in France Orange(FR) and some other do)
Same question for IM (aim/msn/icq/jabber) VS SMS
was looking for some comparison on the web to get roughly an idea but didn't get something serious enough.

Q> Is skype usable with it ?
A> No, not the voice part anyway. IM, yes.
Q>What the cost such solution ? (only the data on the carrier) depends on network, but for non-bundle gprs its from £2 per meg to £8 per meg
Q> Could the carrier block or put on the contract a restriction on the VOIP ?
A> Yes, they do block things randomly and not tell you.
Q> Same question for IM (aim/msn/icq/jabber) VS SMS
A> O2 Pay as you go DOES NOT allow anything other than wap and http, all IM and email is blocked. I do not know about other carriers, but ive heard tmobile blocks email too.
Forget Pay as you go for Data, its expensive and slow gprs. You want to use a 3G link to make the most of the universal, so get a vodafone/orange/tmobile datacard tarif with bundled data. I think T-mobile let you make calls at 25p a minute on top of the data bundle, dont know about voice on the others though.
Hope this helps.

o2 isnt 2 bad for gprs i got 50mb for 4 pounds uk and 750 mintes and 150 txt for 25 pounds uk on o2 uk but that was a sim only deal as was going to go for vodaphone quite good really hope they can o somthing for the exec when it comes out

about the IM, I got a Jabber account on a server that get https...
For those who don't know jabber is an open source IM solution and it's not centralised (understand you can build your own server at home and communicate with all the other jabber server in the world - a bit like the mail) The beauty of jabber is the gateways I got AIM/ICQ/YAHOO/IRC/MSN gateway to be able to speak with other protocoles..
So .. I'll chat
it's quite a shame that they block randomly ports or whatever without telling you. I'll explicity ask them and list the price.
please do ask them too; normally 3g is far enough for skype (skype needs 3-5kbps)

Just spoken to T Mobile again - the chap on the end of the phone told me the same £200 and I said "well, I can get an XDA Exec for that on a much better tariff". So they halved it to £100 or free if I go for an 18 month contract. Bargain
That's a £15 + VAT/month tariff, typical spend under £30. They'll call me back as soon as they have a date. I'm hoping that date will be 1st October :wink:

"please do ask them too; normally 3g is far enough for skype (skype needs 3-5kbps)"
Id love to hear from anyone who has skype VOICE working on a 3g connection. As far as im aware the latency/ping time etc kill voice over 3g. The total data speed isnt really the issue, its the terrible network!
Id love for it to work, but im pretty sure its IM only and no voice.
Please correct me if you have actual evidence to the contrary

o2 GPRS - Anyone ACTUALLY being charged yet ?

Following on from their threats to begin charging on 31st March (as per other thread )
I can still see no activity on the online bill checker
I'll be a little bit annoyed if they don't charge as threatened now - As I have gone out and bought an MDA Pro with their one of T-mobiles new unlimited web tarrifs to compensate
Anyone noticed they are being charged yet ?

think its from may 2nd onwards when they said they were going to start charging

Some of us were told 2nd May (as you suggest) - and some of us were told 31st March (like me ) but there is nothing moving on the GPRS counter on o2's site yet !
Ah well , now I have two universals and a Vario anyway :roll:

If we didn't receive a message stating March or May (I only signed up to o2 in January), then is it safe to assume unlimited free access (based on earlier experiences) or do they even have to tell you that they are now charging? As this is outside what you are supposed to be paying for (ie, their tariffs say you should be paying, with only 100kb free a month - pointless limit as that lasts less than 10 minutes!), then I suppose that they could legitimately charge and backdate if the mood took them?
Does anyone know the official view? I haven't used it this past month much as I became worried that I would be landed with a hefty bill - I even went off and bought a Safecome SDIO Wifi card for home use (another thread, another problem!) after happily having XDAII pda internet access for two months.
Many thanks
Anon

UPDATE -
From yesterday (my billing date) I have a new Item on my "usage" page of their online bill checking facility
Where it used to say "texts , media messages , voice calls," they have now added "UK GPRS Mobile web "
Fortunately when I noticed , mine was at 937k (I get 1mb free)
Time to switch

zoidster said:
UPDATE -
From yesterday (my billing date) I have a new Item on my "usage" page of their online bill checking facility
Where it used to say "texts , media messages , voice calls," they have now added "UK GPRS Mobile web "
Fortunately when I noticed , mine was at 937k (I get 1mb free)
Time to switch
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T-Mobile, Flext + unlimited data - damn good price. And I work for O2 Sales.

belfast-biker said:
zoidster said:
UPDATE -
From yesterday (my billing date) I have a new Item on my "usage" page of their online bill checking facility
Where it used to say "texts , media messages , voice calls," they have now added "UK GPRS Mobile web "
Fortunately when I noticed , mine was at 937k (I get 1mb free)
Time to switch
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T-Mobile, Flext + unlimited data - damn good price. And I work for O2 Sales.
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Already have ! :lol:
Ordered an MDA pro for £99 on Flext 25 + Web'n'walk on 31st march - as soon as the deals appeared onsite
Bit of a coincidence eh ? o2 starting to charge and Tmobile offering the first (reasonably priced) flat rate GPRS deal , all on the same day !
:wink:

zoidster said:
Bit of a coincidence eh ? o2 starting to charge and Tmobile offering the first (reasonably priced) flat rate GPRS deal , all on the same day !
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Yup. O2 are increibly slow moving on this and have been caught on the back foot by flext + unlim data.
We charge £75 for unlim data, T-Mob now charge £7.50. Ten times less.
Our new business tariffs are nowhere near as good as T-Mobiles FLEXT accounts.
We're gonna get creamed by T-Mobile, absolutely creamed. I've sold NO phones at all this week, against a target of 2 per day, it's depressing. Business customers need to keep their numbers too, which means going back to Retentions to get it, and retentions ALWAYS beats or matches our prices!
Luckily I got offered a job out of the blue last night, and hooked up with a girl whos a friend of the girl who offered me the job out of the blue as well, AND my HT820 headphones arrived last night, just in time for the new A2DP upgrade for my Exec.... so I'm not complaining too much...

belfast-biker said:
zoidster said:
Luckily I got offered a job out of the blue last night, and hooked up with a girl whos a friend of the girl who offered me the job out of the blue as well, AND my HT820 headphones arrived last night, just in time for the new A2DP upgrade for my Exec.... so I'm not complaining too much...
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Some people have all the luck! lol. Good on you, enjoy!
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Anyone noticed they are being charged yet ?
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They've started charging me from 30th March!!!!!
They charged me £81 for 30th March and £18 for 31st March!
I've disputed the bill, let's see what happens.

o2 GPRS
You should be ok, I have just recently joined the wonderful ranks of T mobile flext + web n walk (25% discount on the flext 30 so £22.50 and if you sign up the web n walk for the term on taking out the contract its only £5.60ish pm). Bur before I was on o2 enjoying the benefits of free GPRS.
What I did was keep phoning customer services about once a month and noted who i spoke to, the date and time, and got them to confirm it was still free and that they would inform us by post or text if they were to start charging.
Of course they didn't, and one day I received a hefty bill (as expected). I phoned them up and quoted each person I had spoken to, the date ,the time and what they had actually said and they just couldn't argue. After a bit of debating they decided to let it drop :wink:
Good ol' T-mob, thats what I say !!!

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Clivectmob said:
You should be ok, I have just recently joined the wonderful ranks of T mobile flext + web n walk (25% discount on the flext 30 so £22.50 and if you sign up the web n walk for the term on taking out the contract its only £5.60ish pm). Bur before I was on o2 enjoying the benefits of free GPRS.
What I did was keep phoning customer services about once a month and noted who i spoke to, the date and time, and got them to confirm it was still free and that they would inform us by post or text if they were to start charging.
Of course they didn't, and one day I received a hefty bill (as expected). I phoned them up and quoted each person I had spoken to, the date ,the time and what they had actually said and they just couldn't argue. After a bit of debating they decided to let it drop :wink:
Good ol' T-mob, thats what I say !!!
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I'k simply not giving them the money they're asking for for the data. Why should we have to run round circles coz they're ****wits?
The CS girl asked me to fax my bill etc etc, but why should I? I'm gonna email cs again, tell them the score, get them to SORT it. I've canceled the DD, so they can whistle.

o2 GPRS
I should have said that i've experienced loads of hassle with o2 CS in the past, which is the reason why I noted everything.
The only reson I stayed with them last time was because they "made me an offer i couldn't refuse." When they said that this year, I told them to stick it where the sun don't shine.
T mobile are definately on to a winner with flext and web n walk. I've been after a tariff like this in years. Also, their coverage is up with the best now too.!!

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Clivectmob said:
T mobile are definately on to a winner with flext and web n walk. I've been after a tariff like this in years. Also, their coverage is up with the best now too.!!
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Yeah, in June, when the Vario II is likely released, I'll be six months into my 1 year with O2. Thank God I didn't let the appeal of free texts and minutes sway me to an 18 month contract. I'll then simply reduce to the lowest tariff*, and once that's implemented, I'll buy it out.
In the meantime, I'll get the Vario II from T-Mobile on the Relax+webwalk tariff, since I only ever do 1 year deals
The incompetence of O2 will be a distant memory. I can only hope that T-Mobile aren't equally stupid.
* Would I have to give 28/30 days notice for this?

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Double post - getting a lot of "phpBB : Critical Error Could not connect to the database" recently....

Someone on the MSE forum has just been billed for £370 of GPRS (backdated :shock: - http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=194449). I notice that my online unbilled calls area is showing 100KB used when it hasn't recorded anything before (since January).
Do they have to tell you that they are now recording data usage? I suppose they will claim they don't need to as they never said it was free anyway :roll:.
Anon

Anon said:
Someone on the MSE forum has just been billed for £370 of GPRS (backdated :shock: - http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=194449). I notice that my online unbilled calls area is showing 100KB used when it hasn't recorded anything before (since January).
Do they have to tell you that they are now recording data usage? I suppose they will claim they don't need to as they never said it was free anyway
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In my case they DID say it was free. Your friend there should not have b4een charged for data on 29th, 30th, and 31st March. He should query that, refuse to pay it, like I did.

I just got hit for £160
I just got hit for £160 for gprs as my audible air kicked in and went on a downloading spree.
Ian

Bother!
Just noticed a new heading has appeared on my online bill this month. Under "Unbilled Usage" it has another heading "Unbilled Usage to Date" - clicking on that now shows UK GPRS Mobile web - spent £30 last month without even realising it (as it has been free in previous months). No text message notifying me of this.
Ah well, end of that then .
Anon

Same here, but 71 Quid!! rang up, o2 cs very helpful, but were Not going to cancel payment . so after thinking about it, if the money is taken, i will cancel contract, pay remaining contract amount & take my custom elsewhere. what do you think? any better ideas?

O2 UK Data Plans

There has been an ongoing sporadic discussion regarding the best data plan in the UK, with the suggestions that T-Mobile (who have HSDPA but only 84% coverage) and Orange (who are expected to announce £8pcm unlimited internet) are the cheapest.
I have just spoken to O2 as my contract with them is coming to an end. Their retentions department says that they have realised that they are no longer competitive on data and will be making an announcement in the next month or so (it was suppiosed to be by the end of this month), with a view to offering more competitive data allowances - presumably to compete with T-Mobile.

they already do £10/month unlimited data but they don't shout about it.
"blackberry unlimited monthly roaming"

from 3g.co.uk/3gforum they say its £10 for 20mb on o2. Rip off.
I've just moved to Three, they're brill!! £5 a month for unlimited (1 gig) or
£10 (sign up for 12 months and u get a free slingbox!!) for slingbox and orb on the move as well as your gig data.
I got a crap phone (LG u300) so i got half price line rental for 18 months and put the sim in my xda exec.
I'm paying: £27.50 a month for 18 months which gets me:
£17.50 (hplr) 300 mins, 1000 texts a month
£10 x-series gold which gives me:
80 hours orb & slingbox use (more than 2.5 hours a day!)
5000 skype minutes (more than 2.6 hours a day!)
1gb data
Unbeatable tbh!! i'm just setting up my 3g settings (if i can find them) and I've just setup my slingbox, sky tv on the move!! plus my music/videos on my pc through orb!! how awesome!!
3 ftw!

You guys think thats a rip off, be glad your not in canada? $1 CDN = 0.454 GBP.
Canada Data Plans
10 GBP = $22... for $25 we get 3MB

O2 Unlimited Blackberry roaming
Be careful
O2's blackberry unlimited roaming doesnt include data , just email - the only one the unlimited is on is a RIM Blackberry device, blackberry connect devices which the xda exec is does not include it.
I took out a contract with CPW O2 (Car phone warehouse managed the aaccount but the same conditions apply) and was sold the unlimited blackberry bundle, I noticed that my online credit allowance was going down when I queried this I was advised that the charge was for data and I had run up £30 (the unlimited £10 pm brings down the mb charge to £1 per meg)
I fought this and was advised that I was mis sold the item , as I love my xda and also have paid for the insurance policy via the CPW which allows a cancellation of contract as 6 months on a 18 month policy I have stook with it.
I could have got a blackberry 8800 but I use tomtom and the blackberry doesnt support this and I dont like the blackberry maps.
Be careful when asking for the unlimited roaming as it is not what it seems - I have found out to my cost , I use wifi at home on the phone so im not bothered about the internet whilst out ....
The plus's outweigh the negatives !!

stualpha said:
I've just moved to Three, they're brill!! £5 a month for unlimited (1 gig)
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So if there is a 1GB cap, where does the unlimited part come in?

they advertise it as unlimited, as soon as you hit 1gig they don't just stop the service, you get a SMS alert to warn you of approaching the limit, then if you continue to "abuse" the service they restrict it.
So it's not a cap per se but more of a fair usage policy. But in all fairness the other mobile carriers do the same. 1 gig on a phone is a lot of data though! that doesn't count towards the slingbox or orb usage either!

Orange 250MB data finished in 20 days only !!!

When I got "unlimited data" bundle with fair usage policy of 250MB, i thought it should be more than enough for a month. However, just checked my online orange account and i have already used all 250 mb with 10 days before the start of new month/bundle.
Used phone for browsing and youtube + emails. However, didn't anticipate that it will take 250mb. Now it seems a very small allowance. Any idea if I can still increase my package to 500MB ? (contract already 20 days old now - it was month 15 upgrade). or may be Orange will increase all unlimited bundles in near future ?
Secondly, is there a GPRS monitor for HD? I mean is there a way to monitor how much MBs of data has been used so far or being used by an application like youtube or during browsing? So that one can monitor his use.
Thanks

SPB have a GPRS monitor
http://spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/wirelessmonitor/?en
EDIT : I don't know if it works with the HD though - I assume it does.

omg that is really much.
i just upgraded my german vodafone tariff to 200 mb for the next month.
i hope that will be enough.
i think youtube takes a lot of traffic. especially when you activate high quality.

The reason I wanted to stay with T-Mobile UK.... it's 1GB fair usage policy.
The phone cost me more to get it on T-Mobile (Thru Expansys) but the 1GB was more valuable to me.

Paul.Ferrari said:
SPB have a GPRS monitor
http://spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/wirelessmonitor/?en
EDIT : I don't know if it works with the HD though - I assume it does.
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SPB GRPS Monitor is now called SPB Wireless Monitor and works perfectly on the HD.

I used up 45mb in just a week with just basic browsing and emails, didnt even download anything yet.

I would cut down on YouTube, that's where the big usage goes. General browsing and stuff is generally next to nothing.
I just upgraded to this bundle. I was never sold it as 'unlimited' though? The lady explained it was a 250 meg package for £7.50, the next package down was 4 meg for £4!?!? bit of a difference!
After the 250 meg, what happens? You carry on with standard usage, £1.50 cap a day?

I use Opera mini on my M700/P3600 and so far in the last 3 weeks I've only used about 70Mb. I've probably browsed every day, sometimes for up to 4 or 5 hours constantly but mainly on forums and phone review sites. Does Opera Mini compress the pages more than the version that ships with the WM 6.1 phones?

1 youtube 2-3min video is about +/-10mb, that's a lot! i stopped watching youtube on my HD

I used 50MB in a couple of days after watching a couple of things on YouTube. Since then though I've only used around 10MB in email in occasional browsing.

Spb wireless monitor is brilliant. shows the breakdown of all data used through different channels. Ideal to monitor how much data ie being used. It showed em how much YOUTUBE cost. I guess that was the reason I managed to finish 250MB in 20 days.
Have to cut down on youtube now , though it is very addictive and I wish , Orange had a better data package with atleast 1gb.

luckey me i have 5gb free and after that they just cap the speed it still dosent cost anny extra
but i have used 3gb now since the 1st dec

i have questioned orange re exceeding fair usage and was informed on many occasions that i wont be charged but warned if im constantly exceeding my limit.

with o2 free unlimited web bolt on..... free unlimited land line bolt on...
happy days...

orange do an unlimited evening and weekend package for £5 a month with 1gb fair usage. also the £1.50 daily cap.
the unlimited 250 usage package they are offering at the moment is a joke. they sell the hd with this package but it expires after 3months anyway and then automatically puts you on the unlimited evening and weekends package.
i have my emails updating every two hours and am signed into msn most days, outside of the evening and weekend package with the daily cap my gprs charges have only been about £12 in a month.

From the day I got the Touch HD (Wednesday) to the Monday just gone, (so about 4 days), I have used 0.075MB.
Anyway, I asked and the guy said the 250MB is a guide. I suggested that if I used 260MB they wouldn't charge me, but a big excess in data usage would result in a flag of your account.
However, "excessive" hasn't been quantified yet.

davgom said:
orange do an unlimited evening and weekend package for £5 a month with 1gb fair usage. also the £1.50 daily cap.
the unlimited 250 usage package they are offering at the moment is a joke. they sell the hd with this package but it expires after 3months anyway and then automatically puts you on the unlimited evening and weekends package.
i have my emails updating every two hours and am signed into msn most days, outside of the evening and weekend package with the daily cap my gprs charges have only been about £12 in a month.
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WHAT ???? Y would it expire after 3 months? 250MB/unlimited data bundle is part of the contract on Panther 45. (choice b/w Unlimited Landline, Unlimited Txts or 250MB Data). It is supposed to be for the whole length of the contract i.e., 18 months.
Are they using 250MB for guide only? But I have checked my online account on Orange and I am already been charged for like £1.6 + approx. for data use outside my package. I guess they are using 250MB limit strictly. However, to compete with other networks, they should really increase it.

orange are lame and stingy when it comes to data, i mean they got/had exclusive rights to the Touch HD: a multimedia communication device, designed to keep you connected, informed and updated; all of which require a data connection.
Yet their measly fair usage policy limits the potential of the device itself and disables you from using it for its true designed purpose.
My brother uses, youtube, internet (and many things that require a data connection) without even thinking about data usage and fair crappy usage policies on his iphone, o2 provide users of the iphone with an all you can eat buffet (another reason why iphone is doing well)
Orange is like those cheap short-haul airlines, everything extra costs you extra extra

Excuse me drifting off-topic ever so slightly, but can anyone tell me:
How fussy are Orange about the use of their 1GB off-peak service?
The small print seems to prohibit instant messaging, any kind of non-orange streaming etc.
Do they really make a fuss or block users for small amounts of such usage?
Do they block any ports?
- Steve

marcopolo007uk said:
The reason I wanted to stay with T-Mobile UK.... it's 1GB fair usage policy.
The phone cost me more to get it on T-Mobile (Thru Expansys) but the 1GB was more valuable to me.
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Ditto.
Loving the HD on T-Mobile.

X1 on O2: Deal or no deal?

Hiya,
I've been offered the following by O2 upgrades:
X1/Serra collect from O2 store (because no stock available over the phone).
Pay £48 ish for the handset.
£45 tariff reduced to £30 per month - includes the unlimited web bolt on.
18 month contract.
Whatcha rekon - do I collect tomorrow, or wait for a bit more off in the new year?!

I have the exact same contract with O2/Carphone Warehouse. I'm afraid O2 have turned a little stingy over the past year and from what i have heard, this will be the best deal that you are going to get from them.
I didnt pay for the handset tho, i asked for my porting no. and was put through to the retention dept.
Be warned that the paragraph at the end of the script that they read to you (the bit that they tell you doesnt matter and they fly through) contains details of the unlimited web bolt on, not only does it not take effect until the beginning of your next billing period, it is limited to 200MB a month.
I didnt catch this and have just been stung with a huge bill for web useage, i didnt DL much but they charge £3 per MB...........STOP THEIF!!!!!
Aside from that i am pleased with the deal and i think the phone is stunning (stock ROM is pants tho so i installed a cooked ROM and its mustard)
Good luck,
Creamy

as far as i knew o2 would first have to inform you that you were breaking their fair use policy before being able to charge you for extra usage, if you've been charged i'd be onto customer services like a shot!
As for the new tarriff starting, if your current contract has expired then they can move you over in 24-48 hours (and that includes the bolt on), i know this as i waited for an x1 (making me out of contract), and by the time it arrived i could see online that i had unlimited web...
the £3 per day is atrocious tho, their new contracts have a maximum daily limit (i think its £1) so after you pay a pound you get unlimited data! Last year they got a few quid out of me due to browsing tho

Picked up my X1 today.
Thanks for the info.
I've spoken to them in the past - I've been told that 'unlimited' means unlimited, as long as I don't go mad and break their 'fair usage policy'.
I've picked up my X1 today - it comes with a 4GB Micro SD! Woohoo.
Much faster than my Orbit 2, and there's a lot more memory available to programs etc.
Keyboard seems nice - I'm waiting for my sim to transfer over before I get emailing properly, but feels promising so far.

good luck
have fun with your new toy

Oms said:
Hiya,
I've been offered the following by O2 upgrades:
X1/Serra collect from O2 store (because no stock available over the phone).
Pay £48 ish for the handset.
£45 tariff reduced to £30 per month - includes the unlimited web bolt on.
18 month contract.
Whatcha rekon - do I collect tomorrow, or wait for a bit more off in the new year?!
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I had the same offer and they put it on the system as a £15 a month discount. You can then drop to £20 a month (after discount) in 9 months if you wanted to aswell

buchman said:
I had the same offer and they put it on the system as a £15 a month discount. You can then drop to £20 a month (after discount) in 9 months if you wanted to aswell
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I see! Thanks for the heads up.
I've got this thing going now... not too bad for typing. Waaaay better than the orbit II.
Opera works but not as well as the version I had installed on my orbit.
Skype messenger etc work fine... but my version of TomTom doesn't want to load up properly.

PS how do i find out what week of production this machine is from. I'm interested in whether it's from one of the cursed batches!