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I was thinking about this today, I love opera mini browser so much, and its so stable and requires little resources, so.... what if opera made a mobile operating system to replace your windows operating system??? Would you buy it? If it would be as good as their browser, we'd be looking at tons of memory space, fast load times, and a beautiful interface thats very fluid. If they made something like this would you pay for it? Say maybe 50 bucks?
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considering that Opera has no experience at all in operating systems id have to say that there is no way that I would bother with it. Internet browsers and operating systems are as different as michael vick and a PETA member. Sure Opera is a great browser but this has nothing to do with them making a nice stable operating system. Just like how firefox is great for pc's but minimo sucks for pocket pc's. And thats just moving from Pc to pocket pc, let alone jumping from internet browing to operating systems.
googles taking thier turn at an os...
Ya i've read a few things about that, Android seems pretty neat
Android is a linux-based OS that was being developed by Andy Rubin and his team members from Android, Google bought the company a couple years ago and them along with about 34 or 35 other companies are developing the OS, this is why its known as an Open Handset Alliance, mulitple companies have their hand in its development. Opera's R&D is based solely on internet browsing, nothing to do with the OS, although i would like to see an Opera browser developed for Android, they could do that.
It says that android is open source, not to sound retartded but does this mean that more than likely someone will make a port for our htc phones?
I'm really tired of windows mobile on my htc elf.. i cant begin to tell you how impatient i get with my phone, and have to hard reset it..
yes, htc is one of the companies that will most likely be making phones for the android OS, which means it should be able to pe ported
I thought that was what the Opera Platform is....
http://my.opera.com/operaplatform/about/
See the Ajax Telnor:Fast Video
http://www.mobiquio.com/home/content/blogsection/2/34/
Personally I would prefer to run wm6 with a custom smarttoolkit opera homescreen plugin that works with OPERAMOBILE "NOT O Mini" as default browser.
Jason
This question always crossed my mind, how come nobody has emulated the iPhone web browser? I've tried IE, Opera, and the mobile Firefox but they're all junk compared to the mobile Safari - mainly because of the finger movements that make it super easy to navigate. This is really the only advantage other than GUI "swiftness" the iPhone has.
Please discuss, and if your response is "why dunt u buy an itele lolz", you totally missed the point.
you have to try picsel browser, some ppl say its better than safari,
and about opera, if you tried opera mobile you have the wrong version because opera mini is the one you want to have. It is not very finger friendly but it is very fast and also very good to use with d-pad
cheers
well i only use opera mobile mini is not really my cop of tea
Look at skyfire.com. It's not out yet, but seems promising!
jv
Anyone know if skyfire is a proxy? or is it just a different engine? WebDAV?
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Look at skyfire.com. It's not out yet, but seems promising!
jv
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Yes it does, nice demo.
Thanks, SkyFire looks very nice! I'm using Opera atm because it's the only half-decent browser I've found - however the zoom features suck because it can't render text correctly and you can't browse as swiftly compared to Safari. However SkyFire is very interesting, I'll be looking into this further.
Cheers
Saw in the Hermes thread that the WM6.1 PIE has an option that allows you to view the entire webpage then tap to zoom in on a certain portion of it. Sound familiar?
Wonder whatever happened to M$ deepfish browser? I wasn't one of the lucky ones who got on the beta test list. And I don't see anything new posted on the project website.
Is there any way to fool PIE into telling a site that it is an iPhone??
I know it's possible to get PIE to broadcast that it is a desktop, so why not an iPhone??
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Anyone know if skyfire is a proxy? or is it just a different engine? WebDAV?
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Yes, it is proxy-based . However, it is the best browser Ive seen for a mobile device to-date. They have a video on YouTube & it looks very promising. Definitely better than Safari because it not only supports AJAX, but full FLASH 8 & 9 as well. If you access ESPN.com, you can actually see the video's of the highlights to the right of the page just like you would on a regular desktop.
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Anyone know if skyfire is a proxy? or is it just a different engine? WebDAV?
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Yes, it is proxy-based . However, it is the best browser Ive seen for a mobile device to-date. They have a video on YouTube & it looks very promising. Definitely better than Safari because it not only supports AJAX, but full FLASH 8 & 9 as well. If you access ESPN.com, you can actually see the video's of the highlights to the right of the page just like you would on a regular desktop. Full sound & everything! Ive just been waiting for them to send my invitation since I signed up 2wks ago.
Well... Opera Mobile 9.5 will be released in a week or so. It's much better than Safari
Pisel would be just as good as safari - correction, better - if it supported flash. My only two gripes with picsel is the inability to view flash, and not being able to set it as my default browser. Its fast, the nearly-limitless zooming beats the pants off of anything available now or in near future. If I'm not planning to edit them, i open my text files with it too. :thumbsup:
Before we get Opera 9.5, the top two browsers in terms of speed are Netfront 3.5 followed by Opera Mini 4.
Netfront is way better than Picsel browser. Picsel is slooooww. It also have memory full problem, on top of other bugs.
I hve done some bencemark between all these browser in the Athena forum, if you're interested.
i been playing around with netfront... and im very impressed... its prob the fastest browser per load time... and its browsing is very nice allowing finger movements... also double tap on screen to zoom out of the page
which in turn opens up a window and allows u to use a nav box to scroll along the bigger portions of the page... i highly recommend for people to try it out ....
Edit: Netfront also has full ajax2.0 support
Hi,
IE 6 for mobile devices has been anncounced. When will it be available? Can't say for sure, but for more info including screenshots, go here: http://www.theunwired.net/?item=bro...obile-6-aka-6-on-6-is-real-and-shows-its-face
I really like the compatibility option in IE6! Not to mention, it'll include flash.
Looks like with this or skyfire, we won't have any problem with flash sites on Xperia or any other mobile device for that matter...
Best regards.
Thanks for the link! Wish they mention flash and silverlight though.
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Thanks for the link! Wish they mention flash and silverlight though.
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This was what was said by Microsoft when it first announced IE Mobile 6: "The new version of Internet Explorer Mobile adds the ability to easily view full-screen Web pages and multimedia on the Web with a smartphone. By taking advantage of Internet Explorer 6 technologies and supporting established and upcoming industry standards such as H.264, Adobe Flash and Microsoft Silverlight, the updated Internet Explorer Mobile gives people a rich mobile Internet experience."
hard to get excited imho
most people who are into computer
are moving away from all browsers
made by ms as they are less secure and
behind with nicking features from the rest
and a lot slower
i'll take a chome, opera, firefox or even safari on my wm
device before i turn back to PIE
i tried chrome, i moved back to explorer!
chrome is like a lite version of explorer.
I used to think I felt that way, but I find myself more and more turning to PIE when I just want to check Facebook or Engadget. I can browse one handed, and over GPRS it's much faster (not the browser itself, but as the mobile versions of these pages bring down much less data...) and loads up faster as well. I still like Opera for the full web experience but PIE does come in handy...much better on my battery life as well.
Talking of browsers from Microsoft... (not on mobile device) you should definitely check out IE 8 Beta preview... it has improved a lot!
I have Firefox and Chrome installed on my laptop, but mostly use IE.
i perfer PIE too, it loads instantly!
Opera Mobile 9.5 takes 2-3 seconds to load.
i love Opera mobile 9.5 too, i use it for those sites that PIE cant handle.
After having security problems in the past only with IE, i will never use it again except for special microsoft offices updates. Firefox does the work for me better and more safe. Never had problems with firefox since it is out
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After having security problems in the past only with IE, i will never use it again except for special microsoft offices updates. Firefox does the work for me better and more safe. Never had problems with firefox since it is out
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I kind of went through that same phase... IE had become completely unreliable. But disabling pop-ups pretty much took care of any such problems, not to mention adding a spyware to the machine doesn't hurt either.
http://get.skyfire.com/
Skyfire, the mobile browser for Nokia S60 and Windows Mobile devices, has broadened its beta testing to include the UK and no longer requires users to register with the service.
Skyfire works by using a proxy server, including a UK-based one, to do all the heavy processing and just renders content on the mobile device. Opera Mini works in much the same way, optimising content through a proxy, but Skyfire takes that further with support for Flash, Java, AJAX and Silverlight, as well as rendering content from YouTube and the BBC's iPlayer.
According to Skyfire this is "the first time you'll be able to view the entire web on your mobile device". You'll have to excuse us if we claim to have heard that before, but at least the company makes no claim to have the whole internet available.
Early betas of Skyfire had problems with stability and clumsy interface components, as well as being limited to US users (at least officially), but these areas have been addressed in the latest version (0.8.5), which apparently offers better zoom control and management of bookmarks.
We say "apparently" as we've not managed to get the beta installed yet - our Windows Mobile device is of the wrong resolution, while the nearest S60 handset won't recognise the Skyfire certificate. But if you have a less esoteric device handy the beta is free to download.
Skyfire would still like you to register with them, offering the opportunity to store your bookmarks and cookies in the cloud and take them between devices - the company is funded with $17.8m of VC capital and is going to want to make money at some point. The use of proxies provides the potential for embedded advertising or a subscription service, though the company will be hoping to charge handset manufacturers to pre-install their browser as the best mobile experience available. ®
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Says it wont run on the X1. Just use the wvga fix to get it running
Not in United States, Canada, or United Kingdom, so can't download.
im rather intrested in the Firefox mobile version.
Added it as an attachment if you cant download it
Browser which doesn't use the entire screen isn't very useful IMO.
Currently, we support Windows Mobile and Symbian S60 (3rd edition) platforms, and run on these phones:
Windows Mobile phones: Skyfire runs on Microsoft Windows 5, 6, and 6.1. We support VGA and QVGA screen resolutions. Skyfire runs on many popular Windows Mobile phones including the HTC Tilt, HTC Touch Diamond, HTC Fuze, Motorola Q and Q9, Palm Pro, Palm 800W and Samsung Blackjack II. To check if your phone is compatible with our OS and resolution requirements, please refer to the Microsoft website.
Skyfire will not run on Windows Mobile PDAs. Skyfire runs on phones only.
Skyfire will not run on WVGA Windows Mobile phones (e.g. 800x480 resolution or similar that differs from 640x480 VGA).
ok wtf i'm confused
Yeah, i sooo totally bought this phone to run applications on 2/3 of my screen.
Dont get me wrong, it is nice for some people that it works, but i will not install crap like wvgafix' because some program does not know how to scale on different resolution screens.
If i wanted VGA res, i'd would've bought a Diamond / TP instead.
btw, no offence to the programmer of wvgafix, but IMO it should'nt be necesary in the first place.
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Yeah, i sooo totally bought this phone to run applications on 2/3 of my screen.
Dont get me wrong, it is nice for some people that it works, but i will not install crap like wvgafix' because some program does not know how to scale on different resolution screens.
If i wanted VGA res, i'd would've bought a Diamond / TP instead.
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Your loss, the reason why SkyFire is VGA is due to the fact that it's not really a browser, but a viewer to their server.
The image displayed is nothing more than an upscalled QVGA.
However you can now listen to Last.fm and watch Hulu/BBC iPlayer (depending on your location).
Also a large number of apps were built before WVGA was even considered. Yes some developers will create new versions, but others will have stop working on the projects years ago.
edit Feb13: Opera Turbo http://www.opera.com/press/releases/2009/02/12/ does exactly what i want to do. so does toonel (it refuses to run on my device though)
anybody willing to work on this? i looked it up but got nothing as there are no full-fledged bandwidth friendly web browser.
adding the ability for opera mobile to use these proxies (like opera mini) would make opera far more usable to many people that use their phones on hsdpa/3g/edge/gprs
UCweb and opera mini both use a transcoding proxy for all their http traffic. for example loading www.engadget.comm on opera mobile is about 1MB vs only 80KB for the same page on UCweb or 90kb on opera mini. the smaller version have no flash and lower quality pictures (not that important on a phone tiny screens and resolutions)
for me a good compromise is to use two browsers one for wifi (opera mobile with all it cool features) and another for 3g/edge(UCweb). but i rather simplify my life + it would be really good to make use of all the extra featurs of opera mobile when browsing in low badwidth mode
btw
for thoes that dont know it, the advantages of using a browser like opera mini and UCweb:
-significantly cheaper (should be about %80 cheaper)for thoes that dont have flat rate.
-much faster experiance especially for thoes who are on edge.
-better battery life since you can turn off 3G and still maintain a reasonable speed browsing the low badwidth version of the same page on edge/gprs.
-telco blocked sites work
I dunno about a proxy you can configure your browser onto. But I do know:
http://www.skweezer.com/ and the (IMHO) better http://www.mlvb.net/ since its a lot more configurable.
thanks schaggo
your two sites are very usuful to what i want to do indeed. i will play with them some more to see if i can get them to run better on my wvga Xperia
it would however be very useful to to somehow get opera mobile make to use them or a similar site as proxy with a flick of a button.
i wonder if such a simple and useful feature is on the to do list of a future opera mobile version
I havent thought that one through, but couldnt you just set a prefix in the options (opera:config) which goes like http://www.mlvb.net/ which then would preceed all the adresses you enter. No...?
You should check Toonel
http://www.toonel.net/
It is free and it has a windows mobile version (check the downloads page).
I used it a couple of times with opera mobile and it works.
This is abso-excuse me-****ing-lutely great! Seriously, in 3 years I was looking for something like this and today you point it out to me!
Do you maybe want a new car? Or coffee machine? Maybe my wife?
never got toonel to work on my device but i just got to read this
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2906
'Opera Turbo" comes to Windows Mobile
Just when you thought browsing couldn’t get any faster, Opera unveils its latest innovation for better browsing, Opera Turbo.
Opera Turbo is a compression solution, similar to its Opera Mini, which will be usable on the desktop with Opera and also for Opera Mobile. It reduced data transfer by up to 80%, thereby speeding up browsing. By taking the processing load onto Opera’s servers it will also allow low-end devices to enjoy a good web experience and fully supports dynamic Web technologies such as Ajax and Flash.
In a press release Jon von Tetzchner, CEO, Opera Software said "We are living in a time and place where access to the Web should be a universal right to all. Technology has advanced us to the point that we can very nearly access the Internet anytime and anywhere from a growing number of devices,", "As part of Opera’s commitment to provide the best experience on any device, Opera has developed the Opera Turbo solution.”
The service is to be demonstrated at Mobile World Congress, and is to be sold to cell phone carriers and OEM’s as a way to conserve resources and provide end users with a good web experience independent of the hardware or network conditions.
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This is abso-excuse me-****ing-lutely great! Seriously, in 3 years I was looking for something like this and today you point it out to me!
Do you maybe want a new car? Or coffee machine? Maybe my wife?
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i would like a coffe machine
white paper for opera turbo. hope it works better than toonel
worth a read very short paper
http://www.opera.com/business/file/Opera_Turbo_white_paper.pdf
stupid question:
anyone got a proxy i can use with toonel?
You might also be interested in Google Wireless Transcoder. Though not as many options as in mlvb or skweezer, it's definately faster than them.
Google Wireless Transcoder is blocked in my country becuse horny teens might end up using it to watch low quality pixelated heavely compressed dirty pictures. the only reason why skweezer and mlvb still work is because our proxy people did not notice them yet
bad jokes aside, i think a browser with this (transcoding)or similar feature will be a major thing to be supported
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never got toonel to work on my device but i just got to read this
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2906
'Opera Turbo" comes to Windows Mobile
Just when you thought browsing couldn’t get any faster, Opera unveils its latest innovation for better browsing, Opera Turbo.
Opera Turbo is a compression solution, similar to its Opera Mini, which will be usable on the desktop with Opera and also for Opera Mobile. It reduced data transfer by up to 80%, thereby speeding up browsing. By taking the processing load onto Opera’s servers it will also allow low-end devices to enjoy a good web experience and fully supports dynamic Web technologies such as Ajax and Flash.
In a press release Jon von Tetzchner, CEO, Opera Software said "We are living in a time and place where access to the Web should be a universal right to all. Technology has advanced us to the point that we can very nearly access the Internet anytime and anywhere from a growing number of devices,", "As part of Opera’s commitment to provide the best experience on any device, Opera has developed the Opera Turbo solution.”
The service is to be demonstrated at Mobile World Congress, and is to be sold to cell phone carriers and OEM’s as a way to conserve resources and provide end users with a good web experience independent of the hardware or network conditions.
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doesnt opera mobile already support that? by turning it on, the rendering seems to be done elsewhere, although the pictures are still loading slower, this is pretty damn useful!
EDIT: @dexter: wow, the google proxy is damn fast!
Opera mini
I've tried the various site (ie the google's one). They work, quite well, but you loose completely the original format of the web pages. You win the zoom capability of Opera mobile.
But I still think the last version of OperaMini/Jbed is faster and easier.
Really irnterested though in this new Opera Turbo. We will see.
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doesnt opera mobile already support that? by turning it on, the rendering seems to be done elsewhere, although the pictures are still loading slower, this is pretty damn useful!
EDIT: @dexter: wow, the google proxy is damn fast!
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you are talking about opera mini(UCWEB is better if you ask me btw) and that ties you to a simple browser
wish i could test the google proxy. whats the ip address of that server mabe they forgot to block the ip address in our proxy?
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i would like a coffe machine
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Too many expenses this month and I just got a Touch Pro while still holding on to my XPERIA. I guess you'd have to wait another month or so
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Google Wireless Transcoder is blocked in my country becuse ...
bad jokes aside, i think a browser with this (transcoding)or similar feature will be a major thing to be supported
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<- first par of msg
but yeah, youre right, speeding up mobile browsing is a good thing to do, especially if - on top of it - compresses the datastream and you save some bandwith. Theres only one major flaw until now: there is the word b-u-s-i-n-e-s-s in the URL to the whitepaper, seems like its something you have to license and pay bigtime to use it. Hmmm...
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Guess not. Enter opera:config in Opera Mobile and in the searchfield which will appear on the page which loads enter turbo and do a search. Tick the checkbox and restart Opera...
i enabled the turbo mode like schaggo said but there is no difference in speed or anything if it does nothing why do they include it
I think the Turbo-option in Opera Mobile has nothing (not yet, at least) to do with the announced Opera Turbo-technology. Because the option is there since like ever, long before Opera announced Turbo. It has to be something different, this option triggers, I have no idea what, though.
This is the Turbo Mode currently available in Opera:
Disable Turbo mode
While this might sound a little bit strange at first to disable turbo mode and present it as a tip to speed up Opera it becomes clear soon. Turbo mode means that Opera pre-draws any image which means that you see part of it although it is not fully loaded. This uses CPU and memory and could increase overall performance especially on slower computers. It should not be noticeable on fast computers though.
Type about:config and enter Turbo into the search field. Disable Turbo Mode and click on save.
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Taken from: several blogs in my.opera.com, including Tamil's one.