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Skyfire UK release

Ok, So we've all been told about how Skyfire will change the way we use mobile internet. But has anyone got any idea when we will be able to use it. I have my beta code, and I can find nothing regarding its release.
In the USA the Beta has gone down rather well, albeit a few complaints about the fact that the speed is not what was promised.
Any one with Info please add to the thread.

Taken from the www.skyfire.com website.
Skyfire rolls out UK mobile browser
by Dan Leahul, Brand Republic 12-Dec-08, 11:10
LONDON - The Skyfire mobile web browser is available for download in the UK and the company claims its internet speeds are the fastest in the market.
The browser advertises itself as the "real web" experience, with proprietary software that makes mobile browsing comparable to using a PC.
Free to download, Skyfire ensures users "will not encounter unrecognizable content, unfamiliar page layouts, or missing content, like they do with other mobile browsers."
The browser is compatible with any internet technology, including advanced Flash, Ajax, Silverlight and Java. It also supports Quicksilver, QuickTime and Windows Media video.
The beta version was successfully rolled out in the US and Canada in February and is available for a number of handsets, including most Nokia E or N phones.
Nitin Bhandari, Skyfire chief executive, said: "Consumers in the UK have been promised the 'real web' on their phone 'real fast' only to be disappointed by slow rendering, no Flash support, error messages, watered down WAP pages or second-rate mobile versions of their favourite site.
"Skyfire has remedied those ills at a speed not seen before on the mobile platform. By extending the PC web experience to mobile phones, we are fundamentally changing the way people use their phones."

but...
Do you have sound on your skyfire???
Me not!!!

uk download???
is the uk something special....i.e will bbc iplayer work out of the box???
where is the uk download link....or am i missing something?

Well, i've downloaded it onto my universal today (go to www.skyfire.com on your device) and it seems to work ok. A few crashes and things. it doesn't like "waking up" and the today plug in doesn't work properly but the browser itself works.
Youtube works out of the box but iPlayer doesn't (on my 3G connection anyway, will try on wifi later)

Skyfire is still in beta guys its not perfect.
And yes i have sound in mine.

Internet Explorer Mobile 6 - Something worth looking forward to...

Hi,
IE 6 for mobile devices has been anncounced. When will it be available? Can't say for sure, but for more info including screenshots, go here: http://www.theunwired.net/?item=bro...obile-6-aka-6-on-6-is-real-and-shows-its-face
I really like the compatibility option in IE6! Not to mention, it'll include flash.
Looks like with this or skyfire, we won't have any problem with flash sites on Xperia or any other mobile device for that matter...
Best regards.

Thanks for the link! Wish they mention flash and silverlight though.

htcplussony said:
Thanks for the link! Wish they mention flash and silverlight though.
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This was what was said by Microsoft when it first announced IE Mobile 6: "The new version of Internet Explorer Mobile adds the ability to easily view full-screen Web pages and multimedia on the Web with a smartphone. By taking advantage of Internet Explorer 6 technologies and supporting established and upcoming industry standards such as H.264, Adobe Flash and Microsoft Silverlight, the updated Internet Explorer Mobile gives people a rich mobile Internet experience."

hard to get excited imho
most people who are into computer
are moving away from all browsers
made by ms as they are less secure and
behind with nicking features from the rest
and a lot slower
i'll take a chome, opera, firefox or even safari on my wm
device before i turn back to PIE

i tried chrome, i moved back to explorer!
chrome is like a lite version of explorer.

I used to think I felt that way, but I find myself more and more turning to PIE when I just want to check Facebook or Engadget. I can browse one handed, and over GPRS it's much faster (not the browser itself, but as the mobile versions of these pages bring down much less data...) and loads up faster as well. I still like Opera for the full web experience but PIE does come in handy...much better on my battery life as well.

Talking of browsers from Microsoft... (not on mobile device) you should definitely check out IE 8 Beta preview... it has improved a lot!
I have Firefox and Chrome installed on my laptop, but mostly use IE.

i perfer PIE too, it loads instantly!
Opera Mobile 9.5 takes 2-3 seconds to load.
i love Opera mobile 9.5 too, i use it for those sites that PIE cant handle.

After having security problems in the past only with IE, i will never use it again except for special microsoft offices updates. Firefox does the work for me better and more safe. Never had problems with firefox since it is out

pf said:
After having security problems in the past only with IE, i will never use it again except for special microsoft offices updates. Firefox does the work for me better and more safe. Never had problems with firefox since it is out
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I kind of went through that same phase... IE had become completely unreliable. But disabling pop-ups pretty much took care of any such problems, not to mention adding a spyware to the machine doesn't hurt either.

BOLT the new browser

hie guys did a search and it appeares this new browser http://boltbrowser.com/
hasnt been mentioned yet on our blackstone forum has anyone tried it yet and what are your thoughts to those who have tried it thanks

I really doubt that this browser will be capable of things they advertise. I suspect fake/malware...
EDIT:
I was wrong, its real

anyone tested this?

I dimly remember Skyfire ... it seems to be similar to this one. I think it first appeared spring 2008.
But I never heard about it again and I just don't trust it ^^
http://www.skyfire.com/

I use skyfire. To be able to use it on he beloved HD, you somehow need to decrease resolution. Skyfire is great for flash.
Has anyone tryied "Bolt" ?

Finally, Bolt - the public version of the Thunderhawk browser that is around for a while. Tough sell, a browser that relies on proxy server-side image rendering, similar to Skyfire and Opera Mobile. So how will they make money? Data-mining usage patterns, subscriptions or ads - no one got to work it until now. Good luck, the environment is hostile to your concept...

Guys--Bitstream is a real (and real old) company in Cambrdige, MA. Started out as a typeface company. They are the Thunderhawk people, for whatever that's worth. It looks to me like Bolt is an alpha release masquerading as a beta or version 1 or something, but I'm going to try it because it's from Bitstream.
Sandra

i tried to install this with all 4 links and the untrusted one is al that will work. Unfortunately it tries to launch and the app freezes. Not working. Someone please try it and tell me if it is just me.

mallman said:
i tried to install this with all 4 links and the untrusted one is al that will work. Unfortunately it tries to launch and the app freezes. Not working. Someone please try it and tell me if it is just me.
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aq soft reset got it working but can confirm flash doesnt work

i downloaded but i got a oddly named file with no extension... sszu6w... not sure if i'm to rename to sszu6w.cab or what... guidance anyone?

Windows Mobile phones: Skyfire runs on Microsoft Windows 5, 6, and 6.1. We support VGA and QVGA screen resolutions. Skyfire runs on many popular Windows Mobile phones including the HTC Tilt, HTC Touch Diamond, HTC Fuze, Motorola Q and Q9, Palm Pro, Palm 800W and Samsung Blackjack II. To check if your phone is compatible with our OS and resolution requirements, please refer to the Microsoft website.
Skyfire will not run on Windows Mobile PDAs. Skyfire runs on phones only.
Skyfire will not run on WVGA Windows Mobile phones.

wapreview.com have got 500 referral codes to get a download link for Bolt.
Just got mine.

Downloaded and tried it. Very similar to Opera Mini. Visited youtube.com and clicking on a video just opened a .3gp stream which opened up in Coreplayer. Not really any use on the Touch HD as there was really no way I could see to navigate around due to the lack of hardware buttons.

I too have the same files on "my documents" folder and cannot open, based on BOLT's install instructions it supposed to download the browser and rights stuff but nothing actually downloads to the folder....I too need help

support for low-bandith friendly transcoding proxy in Opera 9.7[Opera Turbo]

edit Feb13: Opera Turbo http://www.opera.com/press/releases/2009/02/12/ does exactly what i want to do. so does toonel (it refuses to run on my device though)
anybody willing to work on this? i looked it up but got nothing as there are no full-fledged bandwidth friendly web browser.
adding the ability for opera mobile to use these proxies (like opera mini) would make opera far more usable to many people that use their phones on hsdpa/3g/edge/gprs
UCweb and opera mini both use a transcoding proxy for all their http traffic. for example loading www.engadget.comm on opera mobile is about 1MB vs only 80KB for the same page on UCweb or 90kb on opera mini. the smaller version have no flash and lower quality pictures (not that important on a phone tiny screens and resolutions)
for me a good compromise is to use two browsers one for wifi (opera mobile with all it cool features) and another for 3g/edge(UCweb). but i rather simplify my life + it would be really good to make use of all the extra featurs of opera mobile when browsing in low badwidth mode

btw
for thoes that dont know it, the advantages of using a browser like opera mini and UCweb:
-significantly cheaper (should be about %80 cheaper)for thoes that dont have flat rate.
-much faster experiance especially for thoes who are on edge.
-better battery life since you can turn off 3G and still maintain a reasonable speed browsing the low badwidth version of the same page on edge/gprs.
-telco blocked sites work

I dunno about a proxy you can configure your browser onto. But I do know:
http://www.skweezer.com/ and the (IMHO) better http://www.mlvb.net/ since its a lot more configurable.

thanks schaggo
your two sites are very usuful to what i want to do indeed. i will play with them some more to see if i can get them to run better on my wvga Xperia
it would however be very useful to to somehow get opera mobile make to use them or a similar site as proxy with a flick of a button.
i wonder if such a simple and useful feature is on the to do list of a future opera mobile version

I havent thought that one through, but couldnt you just set a prefix in the options (opera:config) which goes like http://www.mlvb.net/ which then would preceed all the adresses you enter. No...?

You should check Toonel
http://www.toonel.net/
It is free and it has a windows mobile version (check the downloads page).
I used it a couple of times with opera mobile and it works.

This is abso-excuse me-****ing-lutely great! Seriously, in 3 years I was looking for something like this and today you point it out to me!
Do you maybe want a new car? Or coffee machine? Maybe my wife?

never got toonel to work on my device but i just got to read this
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2906
'Opera Turbo" comes to Windows Mobile
Just when you thought browsing couldn’t get any faster, Opera unveils its latest innovation for better browsing, Opera Turbo.
Opera Turbo is a compression solution, similar to its Opera Mini, which will be usable on the desktop with Opera and also for Opera Mobile. It reduced data transfer by up to 80%, thereby speeding up browsing. By taking the processing load onto Opera’s servers it will also allow low-end devices to enjoy a good web experience and fully supports dynamic Web technologies such as Ajax and Flash.
In a press release Jon von Tetzchner, CEO, Opera Software said "We are living in a time and place where access to the Web should be a universal right to all. Technology has advanced us to the point that we can very nearly access the Internet anytime and anywhere from a growing number of devices,", "As part of Opera’s commitment to provide the best experience on any device, Opera has developed the Opera Turbo solution.”
The service is to be demonstrated at Mobile World Congress, and is to be sold to cell phone carriers and OEM’s as a way to conserve resources and provide end users with a good web experience independent of the hardware or network conditions.

schaggo said:
This is abso-excuse me-****ing-lutely great! Seriously, in 3 years I was looking for something like this and today you point it out to me!
Do you maybe want a new car? Or coffee machine? Maybe my wife?
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i would like a coffe machine

white paper for opera turbo. hope it works better than toonel
worth a read very short paper
http://www.opera.com/business/file/Opera_Turbo_white_paper.pdf

stupid question:
anyone got a proxy i can use with toonel?

You might also be interested in Google Wireless Transcoder. Though not as many options as in mlvb or skweezer, it's definately faster than them.

Google Wireless Transcoder is blocked in my country becuse horny teens might end up using it to watch low quality pixelated heavely compressed dirty pictures. the only reason why skweezer and mlvb still work is because our proxy people did not notice them yet
bad jokes aside, i think a browser with this (transcoding)or similar feature will be a major thing to be supported

fatso485 said:
never got toonel to work on my device but i just got to read this
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2906
'Opera Turbo" comes to Windows Mobile
Just when you thought browsing couldn’t get any faster, Opera unveils its latest innovation for better browsing, Opera Turbo.
Opera Turbo is a compression solution, similar to its Opera Mini, which will be usable on the desktop with Opera and also for Opera Mobile. It reduced data transfer by up to 80%, thereby speeding up browsing. By taking the processing load onto Opera’s servers it will also allow low-end devices to enjoy a good web experience and fully supports dynamic Web technologies such as Ajax and Flash.
In a press release Jon von Tetzchner, CEO, Opera Software said "We are living in a time and place where access to the Web should be a universal right to all. Technology has advanced us to the point that we can very nearly access the Internet anytime and anywhere from a growing number of devices,", "As part of Opera’s commitment to provide the best experience on any device, Opera has developed the Opera Turbo solution.”
The service is to be demonstrated at Mobile World Congress, and is to be sold to cell phone carriers and OEM’s as a way to conserve resources and provide end users with a good web experience independent of the hardware or network conditions.
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doesnt opera mobile already support that? by turning it on, the rendering seems to be done elsewhere, although the pictures are still loading slower, this is pretty damn useful!
EDIT: @dexter: wow, the google proxy is damn fast!

Opera mini
I've tried the various site (ie the google's one). They work, quite well, but you loose completely the original format of the web pages. You win the zoom capability of Opera mobile.
But I still think the last version of OperaMini/Jbed is faster and easier.
Really irnterested though in this new Opera Turbo. We will see.

the_fish said:
doesnt opera mobile already support that? by turning it on, the rendering seems to be done elsewhere, although the pictures are still loading slower, this is pretty damn useful!
EDIT: @dexter: wow, the google proxy is damn fast!
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you are talking about opera mini(UCWEB is better if you ask me btw) and that ties you to a simple browser
wish i could test the google proxy. whats the ip address of that server mabe they forgot to block the ip address in our proxy?

ather90 said:
i would like a coffe machine
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Too many expenses this month and I just got a Touch Pro while still holding on to my XPERIA. I guess you'd have to wait another month or so
fatso485 said:
Google Wireless Transcoder is blocked in my country becuse ...
bad jokes aside, i think a browser with this (transcoding)or similar feature will be a major thing to be supported
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<- first par of msg
but yeah, youre right, speeding up mobile browsing is a good thing to do, especially if - on top of it - compresses the datastream and you save some bandwith. Theres only one major flaw until now: there is the word b-u-s-i-n-e-s-s in the URL to the whitepaper, seems like its something you have to license and pay bigtime to use it. Hmmm...
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you are talking about opera mini...
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Guess not. Enter opera:config in Opera Mobile and in the searchfield which will appear on the page which loads enter turbo and do a search. Tick the checkbox and restart Opera...

i enabled the turbo mode like schaggo said but there is no difference in speed or anything if it does nothing why do they include it

I think the Turbo-option in Opera Mobile has nothing (not yet, at least) to do with the announced Opera Turbo-technology. Because the option is there since like ever, long before Opera announced Turbo. It has to be something different, this option triggers, I have no idea what, though.

This is the Turbo Mode currently available in Opera:
Disable Turbo mode
While this might sound a little bit strange at first to disable turbo mode and present it as a tip to speed up Opera it becomes clear soon. Turbo mode means that Opera pre-draws any image which means that you see part of it although it is not fully loaded. This uses CPU and memory and could increase overall performance especially on slower computers. It should not be noticeable on fast computers though.
Type about:config and enter Turbo into the search field. Disable Turbo Mode and click on save.
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Taken from: several blogs in my.opera.com, including Tamil's one.

Latest Opera Mobile Version VGA 6 Flash..!!

[REQ] Latest Opera Mobile Version VGA (the TURBO one) & Flash..??
Hi people, i' ve been away for a while, which Opera version is the last suitable for the Diamond? and which abobe flash player is the latest...!! is it still not able to play Flash 9 contains...??
THX in advance

u can get a version that works with Flashlite 2.
search should find it
and u should have put [REQ] in the title to make it easier to understand.

search and you shall be enlightened:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401643

THX for the Infos mugglesquop, supersanj but the search function just drops needless entries.
In some way the goal of a forum is to get questions answered, even if they could be stupid, don't you think so...??
**the thread above does not offer accurate information, for example..!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3129125&postcount=1614

qtek_metanol said:
THX for the Infos mugglesquop, supersanj but the search function just drops needless entries.
In some way the goal of a forum is to get questions answered, even if they could be stupid, don't you think so...??
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yes, but i was just telling you that it has been done, but i do not have the files you require. i know they are on this forum, but cannot remember where.

mugglesquop said:
yes, but i was just telling you that it has been done, but i do not have the files you require. i know they are on this forum, but cannot remember where.
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THX again for the Info mugglesquop, I was asking about Opera, because the anounncing from Opera Turbo is everywhere around, i supose maybe some insider around xda-dev dispose of that files. Did you saw the new feature of Diamond 2 faster internet surfing? well, here is the answer.
Opera unveils turbo-charged browsing at Mobile World Congress 2009
Oslo, Norway and Barcelona, Spain – February 12, 2009
Just when you thought browsing couldn't get any faster, Opera unveils its latest innovation for better browsing, Opera Turbo. This all-new, turbo-charged way to surf will make its exclusive appearance at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona from February 16-19, 2009.
To be available for business customers on Opera Desktop, Opera Mobile and Opera Devices SDK, Opera Turbo compresses bandwidth consumption. By processing data being sent to a mobile phone or a PC by up to 80 percent, operators will be able to reduce network traffic and save on data transmissions. This helps to extend the longevity of their mobile network investments. For device manufacturers, Opera Turbo provides a faster browsing application that can leverage device capabilities and utilize hardware resources more effectively. By leveraging Opera Turbo, operators and OEMs can provide a faster browsing experience to their end-users, independent of network constraints or hardware limitations.
Due to Opera Turbo's advanced compression technology, even devices with limited hardware capabilities show improved page download rates and better overall performance. By leveraging its experience with server-side optimization solutions such as Opera Mini, Opera Software is extending optimization to encompass other Opera browser products. Opera Turbo is able to reduce the size of the transferred page without transcoding the page. Opera Turbo offers full support for dynamic Web technologies such as Ajax and Flash - these are not compressed by Opera Turbo.
Opera Turbo supports Opera's belief in "One Web", providing equal access to the Internet regardless of the device or network quality. Opera has focused on a way to improve performance and the overall speed of its browser under any condition, whether surfing from a limited mobile phone in a remote location or with an early model desktop computer on a dial-up modem. To Opera, One Web means being able to take the one true Web and make it available to people on their own terms. Opera believes that circumstances should not dictate how its browser performs, and Opera Turbo is a way to ensure the best browsing possible anytime, anywhere.
"We are living in a time and place where access to the Web should be a universal right to all. Technology has advanced us to the point that we can very nearly access the Internet anytime and anywhere from a growing number of devices," said Jon von Tetzchner, CEO, Opera Software. "As part of Opera's commitment to provide the best experience on any device, Opera has developed the Opera Turbo solution. The Mobile World Congress serves as a forum for us to educate others on the wonders of Web technology."
See it to believe it at Opera's Mobile World Congress exhibit (Hall 2, Stand 2B77). Mobile World Congress participants will also have the ability to experience Opera on a variety of devices: Opera Mobile on smartphones such as HTC HD, Samsung Omnia and Sony Ericsson Xperia, free downloads of Opera Mini, improved Web browsing on gaming consoles and the ARCHOS Generation 5 Media players will be just a few of the exciting features of Opera's 2009 exhibit.
Mobile World Congress will be held from 16th to 19th February in 2009 in Barcelona, Spain. Visit the Opera Booth in Hall 2, 2B77. For media inquiries, please contact [email protected]
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Source
White paper

hmmm interesting...
tbh, i only just saw the Diamond 2 this morning (been out the loop for a while).
sounds good

I'm using the official that came with 2.03 rom, but I updated Opera9.exe and OperaL.exe from /Windows directory with the 15445 version, it is compatible with flash 3.1 and auto-rotation and zooming with the wheel still work's.
how to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3259124&postcount=41
sorry for my English
for now is the best solution I found.
and I just replace these two files.
tested on Spanish Official ROM 2.03 after this Opera still in my language, and it's PERFECT (for now...)

eXPerience1983 said:
I'm using the official that came with 2.03 rom, but I updated Opera9.exe and OperaL.exe from /Windows directory with the 15445 version, it is compatible with flash 3.1 and auto-rotation and zooming with the wheel still work's.
how to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3259124&postcount=41
sorry for my English
for now is the best solution I found.
and I just replace these two files.
tested on Spanish Official ROM 2.03 after this Opera still in my language, and it's PERFECT (for now...)
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Thx for the input...!!!

eXPerience1983 said:
I'm using the official that came with 2.03 rom, but I updated Opera9.exe and OperaL.exe from /Windows directory with the 15445 version, it is compatible with flash 3.1 and auto-rotation and zooming with the wheel still work's.
how to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3259124&postcount=41
sorry for my English
for now is the best solution I found.
and I just replace these two files.
tested on Spanish Official ROM 2.03 after this Opera still in my language, and it's PERFECT (for now...)
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Thats the badger
nice one