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First Cooked ROM from Midget_1990 on Saturday!!

OK friends, before you start asking about exact times, I don't know and neither does Midget.
ltxda and myself have been in touch with the rest of the team and our ROM developer Midget.
We could have had a 90% complete ROM uploaded sometime tonight, just to see the extent of the ROM under development, but we advised against this as after all the wait we believe our donators in particular and the rest of the Athena community would rather have a 100% complete ROM worth flashing over our existing ones.
So there it is people. Saturday some time unspecified, we get our first completed cooked ROM form Midget. Don't expect it to be the final ROM though, as some will undoubtedly find something that needs tweaking or added to the base ROM, but given the time Midget has spent on it thus far, we can hope for a pretty stable and fast ROM as I know he spent a lot of time twaeking it.
Happy flashing this weekend.

Any chance of a manifest?

copperwave said:
Any chance of a manifest?
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Probably not, as it's so close to release, but no doubt one will be put together after the initial ROM reaches Final ROM status.

anxiously waiting
I cant wait anxiously waiting

Call it the "Disadvantaged" Rom !!!!!!!
Then we know it is for us peeps who didnt get the official update
Irrespective of the name I cant wait though, better start charging the batteries and take out the memory card so long ....
This actually give us enough time to do backups as well !
Thanks Cant wait

what about the ext-rom? is the problem fixed? is it unhide & unlock? is ther a way to be?
Special tnx Midget! Can't w8 longer.
Cheers, Hirad

today is saturday and still no rom!

yes and it is still saturday for another 13 hours (in britain at least)
Right at the top it says that there are no details about time so just chill out and wait for it.
No wonder people like oli and Midget get pissed off! They work damn hard for this place and all they get is whining!!
Even if they over run by a few days, just be grateful that they have done it at all, instead of complaining that it is late or wondering where it is!
I'll be waiting patiently and be thankful if it appears at all...especially as the Athena is not a huge seling device and is always going to be one of the least hacked devices for that very reason!

rhedgehog said:
yes and it is still saturday for another 13 hours (in britain at least)
Right at the top it says that there are no details about time so just chill out and wait for it.
No wonder people like oli and Midget get pissed off! They work damn hard for this place and all they get is whining!!
Even if they over run by a few days, just be grateful that they have done it at all, instead of complaining that it is late or wondering where it is!
I'll be waiting patiently and be thankful if it appears at all...especially as the Athena is not a huge seling device and is always going to be one of the least hacked devices for that very reason!
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C'mon, tiger! Get your claws back in!

My Bad...Sorry next Saturday 1st September.
Sorry friends I made a mistake. I got in touch with Midget today to check on the progress, to find he's still away from a PC until early next week when he could upload the 90% ROM we told him to hold off from as Saturday would be the day for the Complete 100% ROM.
Stupid me assumed it was this Saturday. I re-checked my txt messages from Midget and indeed he did say 'back early next week and can upload 90% ROM then and complete ROM by Saturday'.
Sorry all, my excitement must have got the better of me.

cool man it's ok we can wait!
Anyway currently for the cooked ROM what's the advantages/disavantages or any items included/excluded? New to this kinda stuff just hope my questions do not seem dumb.

hey guys! cool down! i'm really sorry for that kinda posting! 2 proud of myself... u know? sorry now i really apreciate this situation and this hard working from both of our heroes(Oli & Midget)! and mackaby007 it's not your fault we are all excited to see the first cooked rom for our devices! have nothing to add on this! 2 sorry man.
Cheers, Hirad

what is a cooked Rom and does it come with chips and beans?

spacecat said:
what is a cooked Rom and does it come with chips and beans?
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More like bricks & toast, if you don't know what you're doing!

I think we all just need to calm down and wait patiently for the ROM. Midget did wonders on the Universal, and now we will get the same great ROM style on the Athena - so we wait....
It's not as if we dont have an interim WM6 we cant use? If you're really desperate then bung on the one that's been available for a few months and then do it again when Midget's is ready - otherwise just stop bugging the poor guy!!

Let's prepare for the forthcoming ROMs.
Hi all. I don't know all the details, but I know this much;
Midget has been working on the Dopod u1000 version ROM, but has changed to be a default European ROM (last I spoke to him) and has made optimized it for speed and reliability, getting rid of unnecessary ****e etc.
He was already very close to completion a few weeks back before his PC died on him. So he had to put most of the ROM back together from memory alone, plus the usual setbacks of life.
Expect a new thread for the new 'Cooked ROM' when it arrives. It will be tweaked with some apps included that should be standard in all ROMs.
For those who are new to ROMs and cooked ROMs, look at it like a software container for the Operating system and specially chosen 3rd party apps etc. Once you flash any ROM with a different one, you completely loose all your previous data, except what you have on the MicroDrive (MD).
Now is a good time to get all your favourite .cab files and exe's (for which you need to use Active sync to install them) ready, as you can't use back-ups from apps like Spb Backup or sprite, to restore your old backups onto a new ROM. Well you can, but you'll have lots of corrupted software and may be putting back what was thoughtfully removed from the cooked ROM.
So a cooked ROM is something made up by an individual to replace the default ROM you get from the seller/manufacturer of the device (all THEIR customized crap).
A base ROM is like the absolute essential parts only, i.e. the WM6 ROM and those apps needed to retain the original functionality of the device as when you bought it....like a stripped down version. Then the developer adds what he thinks will make a fast and stable ROM. In this instance the developer Midget_1990 is doing this for the Athena Project, which was formed and funded by many members of Xda developers and some others from other forums and parts of the world, as this is not the common device for most PPC owners to have and we needed help in getting it unlocked (SIM free and capable of having any HTC Athena ROM being flashed to it, without bricking it).
Olipro (Developer 1 and top notch low-level programmer) has already fulfilled his obligation to the project, by developing and releasing the unlocking tools for the Athena and also made our devices virtually unbrickable due to his clever method of Hard SPL patching the Athena. Thanks Olipro.
Midget_1990 (Dev 2, VGA ROM Cooker) is to use his specialist knowledge of the VGA Universal (he's made some great ROMs!) to make an VGA WM6 based cooked ROM which will enhance and improve the basic functionality of the box-standard WM5 Athenas we originally bought. This is somewhat more time consuming, especially as 'WE' the project contributors and community here, have rather varied requests in what we would like to have in this first ROM. So finding the balance of what works best and doing the actual work and in some cases conversions (i.e. TrueVGA compatibility) is what Midget is up against.
As an incentive both developers were given an Athena each for themselves with an understanding between them and the contributors, that this 2 fold objective could be realized.
We're more than half way there with Olipro's Athena Unlocker and we'll soon have completed our objectives once Midget has released the first Cooked ROM...soon amigos.
So....let's be patient just a little longer and continue to play nice, after all, we will still need Midget to support this or future ROMs for the Athena if it still needs tweaking or amending e.g. Athena Project ROM v0.1 or 1.0, if you follow my drift.
Also it was clearly stated that the devs not be hassled or pressured by anyone, but that has already happened...let's hope no more.
Don't get me wrong friends, if any one is unduly rude or derogative towards you, you have every right to retaliate...only it's not in any ones best interest to argue on these types of forums.
Word to the wise; when this or any other developer releases a ROM in the future, we'd do well to read up well, before asking questions that may have been asked dozens of times before and try to point out what does not work with the ROM and why, if you know, or positive suggestions and feedback.
This is my last long post regarding this project. LoL yeah, thank God!! everyone cheers. ROFL. Seriously though, it's been a bit of a struggle but mostly rewarding and made some really cool new buddies on this forum.
Thanks to all of you in the Athena community and beyond, but most of all a big thanks should go to the financial contributors, without whom this project may never have taken off as soon as it did or even at all.
No more to say.
See you around in the forums.
P.S. If you have something negative to say, please PM who you are not happy with and let's keep this forum as a civilized developers forum for all interested parties.
And one more thing, if I may humbly ask all non-new members or visitors to NOT abuse newbies as they are by no means fools just because they are new to this and deserve our respect.
As others have mentioned before, if someone posts a stupid question or something that has been asked a thousand times, simply point them to the wiki or give them the right keywords to put in the search engine as the wiki is still under development.
Peace & Unity

well said. you should be a moderator mate.

duttythroy said:
well said. you should be a moderator mate.
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agreed.

wOw mackaby007! TrueVGA compatibility??? is it possible? i can't w8 for! i really suggest high rank admins to make u and some others the admins of athena! hope to see u soon! (not u mackaby007! i'm with our little nutty,sweet, cooked ROM!!!)

Mackaby007 -> Very well said. Thank you.

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What the.... again? TRYOG what can you say? MDA III here we go again.

Haven't I said enough...?
The only way to stop this, is to stop xda-developers...
But xda-developers means a lot more to me than tupisdin, so I think we can't stop this guy from what he's doing.
But, at least, I'm happy I did my job to humanity and tried to show everybody what kind of ugly monster tupisdin is,
even though the mods didn't get the motivation to move their lazy ass and kick him out.
O.G.

Maybe there is a reason
I think some mods are friends of tupisdin, and the income he earn they get a percentage, is that possible?

That, and i did not see anyone else post some of the most important Pre Release roms the last year more then Tuspidin.
XDA is not a forum about suspicions and conspiracies.
It's an obvious Win Win situation for all members.
Tuspidin gets the satisfaction of helping out XDA and users get affordable Sim Unlock and the latest apps from PreRelease Roms.
Please do not start another debate about this, The Moderating Team and Admin have already debated this and a division has been made by the Site Admin and was communicated with Tuspidin.
So Since Tuspidin is not being "kicked out" i hope you can respect that decision and Shut Up Already.
I'm certainly not getting richer nor are any moderators.
Calling someone an Ugly monster in any case is something we can't have it's a personal attack we don't allow.
Please refrain from using these terms.
And Luckily Moderators know better then feel attacked when being called Lazy asses after removing Spam, Warez and preventing conflicts that have nothing to do with what XDA is intended for, but it doesn't make friends.
It's only normal that Moderators just accept to be called whatever people want to call them, right?
So i'm only giving a warning about the first remark aimed at Tuspidin, but i can't promise any other Mod might feel differently about the lazy part. The Warning goes for both of you two as it clearly looks you like to Team up when you go beat on someone.
If you want you can help Moderators get of their Lazy ass at this thread:
SPAM Users

Nice to know about an unlocking solution! Maybe you guys which are not happy with the offer will give as a free solution. In the meantime we can use this one...

Do you so alswo CID unlock ?

Unlock works with the EMOBILE S22HT version of the Rose as well?
http://emobile.jp/products/ht/s22ht/

Noonski said:
That, and i did not see anyone else post some of the most important Pre Release roms the last year more then Tuspidin.
XDA is not a forum about suspicions and conspiracies.
It's an obvious Win Win situation for all members.
Tuspidin gets the satisfaction of helping out XDA and users get affordable Sim Unlock and the latest apps from PreRelease Roms.
Please do not start another debate about this, The Moderating Team and Admin have already debated this and a division has been made by the Site Admin and was communicated with Tuspidin.
So Since Tuspidin is not being "kicked out" i hope you can respect that decision and Shut Up Already.
I'm certainly not getting richer nor are any moderators.
Calling someone an Ugly monster in any case is something we can't have it's a personal attack we don't allow.
Please refrain from using these terms.
And Luckily Moderators know better then feel attacked when being called Lazy asses after removing Spam, Warez and preventing conflicts that have nothing to do with what XDA is intended for, but it doesn't make friends.
It's only normal that Moderators just accept to be called whatever people want to call them, right?
So i'm only giving a warning about the first remark aimed at Tuspidin, but i can't promise any other Mod might feel differently about the lazy part. The Warning goes for both of you two as it clearly looks you like to Team up when you go beat on someone.
If you want you can help Moderators get of their Lazy ass at this thread:
SPAM Users
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It's been a long time since I haven't visited this website.
And I was an active user.
(You know why I don't visit this website as often as I used to.)
I've helped people and people have helped me.
I've gained knowledge and people gained knowledge from me.
For example:
I was the first to write a tutorial about how to change the language on an HP iPaq 514.
The mods won't mention my help and win-win situations, would they?
Nooooooooo... And I don't want it.
But, if you are going to show me the help tupisdin gave you and forget about mine, then I will have to say that YOU are the guys who choose sides & attack people.
You are the guys who sold this websites fun & social part for money
Not us.
Now, there is less development, less fun, etc.
The only thing more is MONEY
Now, I hope you saw my love for this website in the past.
And you've ****ed it up.
P.S. MOD: Nobody's teaming up with me.
I've had something to say and people are agreeing with me.
They give their own opinions about a subject.
I can't find a rule about "shutting up about tupisdin" in the forum's rules.
The only reason I've shut up about tupisdin was, because my friend tom_codon asked me to.
P.S. 2.:
Mods, you can warn me all you want, you can't make me lose 1 thing I care about.
+ You guys play dirty and if you are going to continue, I'm going to play dirty, too
Bye.
// O.G.

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please don't try to hijack someones thread.
thank you

people!
i want to unlock my new Rose i received a week ago so i PM this topic starter but he don't react. So i search further and came by the website:
http://www.unlock-now.com/
those people are very fast and cheap. so for everybody who want to calculates his unlockcode you can go to them.
This is only a tip i don't have any relation with this site. i only found the service very quick and cheap.(€17,50).

marshallmaster said:
people!
i want to unlock my new Rose i received a week ago so i PM this topic starter but he don't react. So i search further and came by the website:
http://www.unlock-now.com/
those people are very fast and cheap. so for everybody who want to calculates his unlockcode you can go to them.
This is only a tip i don't have any relation with this site. i only found the service very quick and cheap.(€17,50).
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I agree. I have used them a number of times. if anyone finds anyone cheaper, please post

This thread is a complete and utter nonsense.
Two advertisements, nothing useful.
Just like this board is for more than 3 years now.
LOL.
What about development, eh?
Just lamers everywhere.
itsme, we miss you.

crusher said:
This thread is a complete and utter nonsense.
Two advertisements, nothing useful.
Just like this board is for more than 3 years now.
LOL.
What about development, eh?
Just lamers everywhere.
itsme, we miss you.
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no idea what you are talking about
this thread was to identify ways to unlock. commerical unlocking is the only thing available and two members have confirmed a supplier who works
.................

Sorry for not answering for a long time. I was on holidays.
Please send all requests by P.M.

Its informative!! i got my HTC Rose s743 by unlock code and i got it from Mobile-unlocker and got unlock code from them and unlocked my mobile..

Thread closed. Long gone!

An interview with an android developer. MAXISMA

Hi guys and gals, first I'll introduce myself properly. My name is Chris, I'm 22 and live near leeds in england. I'm currently setting up a small blog interviewing android developers to give the general public a little look into the life of a developer. My aim is to try and help people realise that developers however great or small have a life beyond programming. It will also help advertise work created by some of the lesser known devs out there.
Currently I have only interviewed one developer and am uploading that at some point today, but I do have a list of others I intend to speak with.
I've even had a suggestion from one of those developers to interview an XDA moderator, to show you guys how much junk they have to put up with and clean on a regular basis to help give you the nice friendly happy community we have now. (Mikey, your name was mentioned but any mod can participate)
So without further ado, the blog address is interviewing-devs.blogspot.com
As a comic twist to the whole thing, I intend to do the whole thing from my G1 which is proving a little complicated as I seem to be getting a few FC errors with androblogger, and the blogger website looks a little funky on the G1.
As a quick note, there is no profit to be made by myself doing this, but I will be placing donation links for each developer interviewed.
So, if you're a dev and want to join in, let me know. If you know a dev and would like to see an interview, let them know about me and get them to contact me
Code:
Interview with Maxisma online now
Many thanks to all the devs on my list so far for making this whole thing possible, and also a huge thanks to everybody here for having a community worth joining.

You should interview the Wrecking Crew to show what we have to put up with too.

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You should interview the Wrecking Crew to show what we have to put up with too.
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Mornin supreme.
And also interview some complete noobs to find out what the whole developer scene looks like from their pov.

Fingerlickin said:
Mornin supreme.
And also interview some complete noobs to find out what the whole developer scene looks like from their pov.
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Mornin I sent you a shout out in another post. It looks like it's gonna be me and you and codini today. Gridlock told me he ain't gonna be on til like 8 tonight. I think he just don't want to get flamed like friday.

Interviewing devs is nice but if you want to catch the entire view of the G1 hacking/modding/rooting whatever term you want to use world. Then you need the point of view from new users, seniors, and devs. Remember devs don't deal with problems unless the problem effects alot of people and is verified by themselves or people he trusts. Also there wouldn't be an interest in a dev's interview without the masses following his work. Get those interviews first so you can ask the correct, hard hitting questions to the devs.

Thanks for the feedback. I'm at work at the moment but once I get home, Maxisma's interview will be posted, and I'll move onto another dev. At the moment probably the biggest names I have are Cyanogen and manup456. I did ask haykuro but he hasn't got back to me, and I'm still asking other devs.
Your constructive critisism is greatly appreciated, and ideas taken on board

Ladies and Gents, the second interview is underway, and you're all going to be surprised at who I'm speaking to. Keep watching this space for more news. Hopefully I'll get everything asked and answered before Monday, but due to a time difference of several hours there may be a delay, just depends if my dev and I can get online at the same time.
But anyway, provided everything goes well, it should be finished by Monday for your reading pleasure.
If you have any questions you wish to ask a dev not already interviewed, let me know and I'll add it to my list

{APOLOGY} Never meant to scam people out of their money!

I want to make my apologies to everyone who says
that I have mislead them, and to everyone who saying I put on a scam with the Leo SSPL donations thread, I APOLOGIZE! My intentions are pure.
And I didn't benefit from it, god help me, that was never the idea anyway. The only thing I got from it is a sick stomach.
There's only 1 good thing from what happened and that is that Olinex duo got some payback for their hard work.
For all people who feel betrayed and mislead and scammed, rest assured, I did not get a penny from it, it all went to the correct cause : A leo for Cmonex and some money on the side.

lucid said:
I want to make my apologies to everyone who says
that I have mislead them, and to everyone who saying I put on a scam with the Leo SSPL donations thread, I APOLOGIZE! My intentions are pure.
And I didn't benefit from it, god help me, that was never the idea anyway. The only thing I got from it is a sick stomach.
There's only 1 good thing from what happened and that is that Olinex duo got some payback for their hard work.
For all people who feel betrayed and mislead and scammed, rest assured, I did not get a penny from it, it all went to the correct cause : A leo for Cmonex and some money on the side.
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So what cry me a river.
Don't care what people say here.
You know what ur doing.

Don't hit yourself in the head m8.
the donations would have come anyways, the Dev team has earned the right and respect to recieve donations.
You where just the dude to take the initiative to raise some funds for the devs.
No harm was done.
as far as i see it an apology isn't necesary.
perhaps an advise (and this is for every1)
- Next time some1 gives a comment, act sivilized as grown-ups and don't start bashing/flaming and stuff like that.
And IF we need another fund raising for our beloved DEV's than perhaps it is wise to keep the startpost updated when the goal has been reached.
those where just my 2 cents.
T

tmaniac said:
Don't hit yourself in the head m8.
the donations would have come anyways, the Dev team has earned the right and respect to recieve donations.
You where just the dude to take the initiative to raise some funds for the devs.
No harm was done.
as far as i see it an apology isn't necesary.
perhaps an advise (and this is for every1)
- Next time some1 gives a comment, act sivilized as grown-ups and don't start bashing/flaming and stuff like that.
And IF we need another fund raising for our beloved DEV's than perhaps it is wise to keep the startpost updated when the goal has been reached.
those where just my 2 cents.
T
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Agree with tmaniac

Even the credit for making the thread a donations thread goes to 12aon, not me.
I haven't and won't take the credit for that, it's not well done.

Hi, I think it is pretty plain for all to see that some $$ would definitely be needed for someone to spend the effort doing all these things.
And I think you deserve a pat on the back for the effort for what you've done. It's certainly not a good feeling when you try to help others and get flamed yourself. Don't take it badly. It's never easy being a nice guy. I run a forum myself, so I know..

Hi Lucid,
It's great what you did and I'm sure a lot of people appriciate it.
I think you are missing the point concerning scamming because nobody accused you for that, the only thing that was asked is if you could update the thread after the goal was achieved.
No need to apologise, it's just a misunderstanding to my opinion.
Thanks!
Grtz, Leo
lucid said:
Even the credit for making the thread a donations thread goes to 12aon, not me.
I haven't and won't take the credit for that, it's not well done.
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Indeed my own point wasn't about you scamming -- just about updating the thread after the goal was reached to prevent any feeling of scamming. However, it was also that you should not be rude to the first person who asked you to do just that.
Your thread and goal were good. Your English is limited and I think that caused a misunderstanding.
Rob

Too hard on yourself
Lucid,
You are being too hard on yourself. I fired you up to change the focus of the thread as I had learnt that Cmonex were struggling with one device slowing down development and putting the project at risk, given that they had nearly bricked the device several times!
All those who gave did so willingly. You only had to page to the front to see how much money was being collected. If an individual did not want to give then they are adult enough not to do so.
Those of us who have been on here a while know that if it wasn't for Olipro's sterling work, now joined by his partner, we would not have the flexible and enjoyable devices we all have.
In my view they have worked across many projects throughout the years to deliver for this community. If they get a few pounds extra out of your thread so what?
You can stand proud, you did a great job! No apology necessary.
Problem is these days is too many people come on here expecting something for nothing or even worse, create aggravation on here and contribute absolutely nothing to the shared objective of helping each other out. Wake up guys, nothing in this world is free!!.
WB

I think all parties involved have had their say. I have a feeling this thread could deteriate pretty quickly if left open.
What's done is done, and now we have explanations -- All friends again .
Dave

Open Letter to Eris Users About Root

Dear Eris Users who Are Waiting for Root,
I'd like to start by addressing all of you as a large audience. I may ask certain groups to leave. I hope they will respect that wish and then come back and join the larger group when I am done with each piece.
We all got the Droid Eris from Verizon. We all got it for different reasons. A lot of you, if not all of you, are here because you wanted an HTC phone that was rooted. You wanted the custom roms, the themes, the su privileges. This shining aura that was "root" was so appealing, that you took a plunge and bought the device before any work was really done on that. Now, some of you feel that you should receive, neigh, deserve root. I am so saddened by what this community, Eris users, not XDA, has turned into. The disbelievers, the demanders; what are you still doing here, complaining? Just leave if you have something mean to say.
To everyone: I'm a firm believer in the idea that if you don't have something important, information wise/helpful, to say on the forum, then don't post at all. I try to keep my fingers off the keyboard, and I have for a long time, but I cannot hold my silence. I used to post every day. I used to be excited to get onto XDA and see if something new had happened while I was away. When we got our own section of the forum, I was overjoyed! (Not really, but we needed a section) We had a pristine new subforum to play around in, and we trashed it. Our original root thread had to be closed because of how off topic and ridiculous it was. Our new thread has gone to crap and turned more into a flame war, than a place where we are looking for exploits and posting findings. Sadly, I wouldn't blame XDA for shutting that one down too. We, as a whole, have alienated developers and are now in danger of not getting root for a number of reasons.
No one deserves root, just like no one deserves $20 from a random stranger. Sure, it'd be nice to get it, but no one deserves it. We should all be thankful for the man hours that people have put in, for no money, to try and give us $20 a piece... I mean root this thing. Seriously, it's a community, not a business. Also, those who feel like it's not worth it to wait around, just leave. Don't make an exit if you're sitting around and not helping but you feel the need to announce that you are fed up, or tired of it. Root will come eventually. There has yet to be an android phone that hasn't been hacked, and we will not be the first one.
Lastly, I'm tired of the "HTC NEEDS to release the source code because it's our right to have it" argument. Sure, the source would help, but the iPhone has been hacked again and again and again with no source code. It comes down to good developers, and a thankful community. So, please stop riding that bandwagon. The source code will get here eventually, but you have to be patient.
To those of you who have been helpful: Thank you. To anyone who tried an exploit and posted findings, thank you. To anyone who compiled an exploit, who dumped their phone, who offered help, incite, or even a "keep it up", thank you. That's what a good hacking community does.
To Jmanly, Binny, Zifnab, rigamrts and others: Thank you for everything you've done to help us out. You are all a tribute to being a good forum member. We would not even be a fraction of where we are without Jmanly's guidance and it was sad to see him leave.
Where to go from here: I think we need to restart. Create a new thread where no negative talk will occur, people will only post things that help move us forward and people post their thanks to those who are doing all of us a favor. None of us deserve root. It's not owed to us because we got the phone. We should all be thankful for what some people with the know-how are doing for us. That should be all I have to say. I hope we can change a little bit for the better and maybe we can get back to trying to root.
-Video

Well said!
This is well put.
I can never quite understand the flaming or negative stuff.
I learned when I started out in WinMo Xperia Threads that people hassling or acting "Entitled" while you are working hard on a Mod or Rom or anything can be quite disheartening.
If it can be agreed upon, I would like to open a new thread, for root status and updates. (hopefully for the last time)
Or I can just add it to the bounty thread that is already open (I know and understand that most of us do this for the love of hacking and modding and out of a sense of community, but it is also a nice gesture and could really help someone that devotes time and effort to this)???
I would monitor it constantly and report any flaming and abuse to one of our great moderators immediatley.
What do you think?

here's how i felt when i first got my eris.
i was like great now i can see what's up and possibly help get root for the new addopters cause i did not get my g1 durring the first run. i missed out on the fun times of all the posts of people trying to hack the phone.
so when i first landed in the eris waters it was great the late night whiteboard sessions were fun throwing any idea no matter how idiotic it sounded and going to town. then we had our first 2 casualties jman and me cause some one took it apon himself to attack a guy who didn't even have our phone and was willing to help.
then we had today where that same person took it on himself to flame another dev the same way. now the 7 day ban might calm him down or send the message not to come back. but i thought it sould have been a perma-ban cause of past actions plus the disrespecting of a mod which is a no no. that mod i respect cause he acted profesionally and gave the community hope that this type of behavior will not be tollorated.
hopefully if things keep going in a positive direction i might jump back into fold but feel very heartbroken cause of the few bad apples.

Awesome post
as acid said, very well put.
i too never understood why not just in the "eris" section but yet in any section people have demanded such items to be released.

I agree with rigamrts, I have watched this board with aw in some of the things people have said to one another. If I had root to this phone I would P.M. the members I wanted to have it just to keep out the ones that act childish. But then wouldn't I be just as childish? So I would just stop, Do my own thing, and wait as a few of the people here have done. People with no interest in this device have nothing to lose by leaving besides maybe hearing their friend saying "come on man, come back. We won't let that happen again." Its a shame this happened in our community but as with the physical community I live in there are jerks. People that you wish would leave on their own accord but stick around with T.P. stuck to their shoes looking like idiots. Anyways, thanks for the help, keep working, and feel free to leave if things get retarded again. I would do the same.

I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.

Videofolife13 said:
I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
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i could create a bolg on one of my unused email account

I think that moving the thread to the new one should work..
We have a couple of moderators all over this now..
And I can update everyday
I need you guys to update me on what to put im the 1st post so that we can get back on track

I think the blog is a great idea but the thing is we also need to keep the discussion here at XDA, the place that originally got us together. If we don't keep the support here we won't have a well known place to meet new Eris users that could potentially help. We can't do that because of one bad apple, this Is our meeting place and we need to show XDA the respect by continuing to trust their mods to do their jobs. Ya that guy should have been permanently banned but he wasn't so let's not punish XDA for that decision. My two pennies.

I agree that we need to hang out at XDA, but I also feel that we could move to somewhere where we can bounce around ideas without people hijacking threads or starting flame wars. I'm not trying to keep people in the dark, I just want to try a different place. Oh, and I'd like some people who know what they're doing to sign on. I'm just a visionary, I can't code. Haha

Ok guys here is the deal after what happend today I am a little upset I spend hours each day searching the web for exploits, why... to help. Here is what I may do, I might buy some webspace and set up a area for us to work together on. I am going to see if Jman will will join us, this is just a idea for right now. I will let you guys know when I clear my head.

Aren't there free blogs? Let's not throw money at this quite yet.
Oh, and I'm sorry you got upset with some people and also that I haven't been here in, well, a month or more. I thought the community was going stagnate. I'm here to stay and, like you, I'll be scrounging for exploits and doing my best to help those with the know-how by doing the leg work if they do the real work.

Free yes but I would like some were were we can upload files to and what not. Just a idea for right now.

Clear ur head man...take care
When ya come back.head over to the new no flaming thread

Videofolife13 said:
Aren't there free blogs? Let's not throw money at this quite yet.
Oh, and I'm sorry you got upset with some people and also that I haven't been here in, well, a month or more. I thought the community was going stagnate. I'm here to stay and, like you, I'll be scrounging for exploits and doing my best to help those with the know-how by doing the leg work if they do the real work.
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rigamrts.blogspot.com
just set up one for us.

Videofolife13 said:
I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
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Well I have the pro programs for Mac and Windows to make killer video tuts, so once we have this thing rooted, I can get that out of the way.
Oh and I can host web space for you too on my server, I just don't have any domains to run the site on. You could use your ways to get a domain. (Try shorturl.com that's what I use for most of my websites.)
Questions to [email protected].

CPCookieMan said:
Well I have the pro programs for Mac and Windows to make killer video tuts, so once we have this thing rooted, I can get that out of the way.
Oh and I can host web space for you too on my server, I just don't have any domains to run the site on. You could use your ways to get a domain. (Try shorturl.com that's what I use for most of my websites.)
Questions to [email protected].
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Good Stuff Cookie...
Come over to the new thread an help us out
Its in my sig...

No one deserves root, just like no one deserves $20 from a random stranger. Sure, it'd be nice to get it, but no one deserves it. We should all be thankful for the man hours that people have put in, for no money, to try and give us $20 a piece... I mean root this thing. Seriously, it's a community, not a business.
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Video I can agree where you are comming from, it does suck the fun out of the puzzle of rooting the device with all the flaming and demanding. But on the other side where I am, I am not a programmer or a linux genius. So we almost feel like leechers taking your work with out compensation for it. So the Pool for the dev that roots the Eris is our attempt to do our part in the give take relationship we have in this community.
Sure I could spend hours and hours and hope to get where you guys are or I can offer my monitary thanks for all your work.
I am not trying to point this thread in the wrong direction and I don't want to see a bunch of "I agree" replies. Just want to convey our side, the noobs and amatures that can't do the things that you do.
I am waiting patiently and if there is anything we the non-dev's can do let us know.

binny1007 said:
Free yes but I would like some were were we can upload files to and what not. Just a idea for right now.
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I have my own web server that we can use. Let me know if you want to set something up.

would a google wave account work i have invites?