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Usual (T-Mobile NL) GPRS Speed

Hiya All!
Just searched, but didn't really come up with anything, but still sorry if this question has asked before:
Since 1 July, I have T-Mobile NL with the Flat-Free Pocket Internet connection, I'm pretty content with it, beside one thing, I find it pretty slow...
I cant even stream an 96Kbit/s Radio Channel with it, though I'd believe GPRS/EDGE must be around 230Kbit/s, just called T-Mobile, and they said it was supposed to be 4-8KB/s... But what about EDGE and/or that GPRS Class 10 thingie, I believe my Qtek 9100 (Wizard) has this Class 10:
"Quad-band GSM (850/900/1800/1900), EGPRS (EDGE) Class B, Multi-slot Class 10"
One other thing, T-Mobile has this new HSDPA network of theirs, which supports speeds ~2Mbit/s, unfortunately my PPC doesn't support this, but then I'd think I could get at least 200Kbit/s out of it... Right?
Thanks in advance, and Take Care!
Rik
By the way, my current GPRS speed is around 50Kbit/s...

Your speed is ok, same here.
The qtek has edge but T-mobile does not have an edge-network...

SPV M700 and HSDPA in PAris

Hi everyone,
Orange France say that the HSDPA is open in Paris and suburbs.
A few month ago I've made some HSDPA test with a PCMCIA HSDPA car and I was having some incredible speed (about 1Mbit/sec) in Boulogne-Billancourt (wich was the experimental coverage).
This week-end I take my Trinity in Boulogne and when I take a look to the fieldtest program HSDAP tab, the CQI was >than 0.
But when I try the speed access, the max I've got was about 112KBit/sec.
So If I believe the speed test I'm in the average of the 3G access and if I believe the FielTest Program I should be in HSDPA coverage.
And the speed isn't in correlation with waht I test a few month ago.
- In different which speed did you observe in a HSDPA coverage ?
- For Orange FR user, which max speed did you observe with your Trinity ?
- Did the Trinity need to "enable" the HSDPA behaviour ?
falex

Hello !
I'm located in Puteaux (La Défense) just in front of the Seine river, near Suresne. I can perform a few test, can you tell me what to do ?
I have a SPV M700, and the option "plus d'internet" for the data.

Super Sheep said:
Hello !
I'm located in Puteaux (La Défense) just in front of the Seine river, near Suresne. I can perform a few test, can you tell me what to do ?
I have a SPV M700, and the option "plus d'internet" for the data.
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Go to the web page : www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1
Test with 50K, 100K, 200K and 600K and report the spped measure.
After we could debate about if the HSDPA is active or not inside this mobile phone.

Should I download them direct with the SPV ?
If yes which download app do you suggest I use ?
Edit : I have had a short look on the page and therefore did a few test at work (Montreuil, near Porte de Vincenne)
The results are not very significant : I got rate from 54 up to 112, with different sizes (600 : 54/103 ; 200 : 106/112 ; 100 : 69/66)

Super Sheep said:
Edit : I have had a short look on the page and therefore did a few test at work (Montreuil, near Porte de Vincenne)
The results are not very significant : I got rate from 54 up to 112, with different sizes (600 : 54/103 ; 200 : 106/112 ; 100 : 69/66)
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Ok SO you've got the same result as I've got this week-end at Boulogne ands Paris 17 AND the same as I can test at Rennes which is not HSDPA covered.
I'm very confused with this announcement.
I know that Boulogne is in HSDPA and we can't get the correct speed so I4ve got two questions :
- Is the SPV M700 HSDPA enable ?
- Is there a restriction on Orange which "block" the HSDPA field if you don't have an option like "TV Live HD" ?

how do you know you're connected on HSDPA network?
is there a "3G+" logo displayed on the phone?
and does anyone try an edge connexion? is an "E" displayed?

Super Sheep said:
The results are not very significant : I got rate from 54 up to 112, with different sizes (600 : 54/103 ; 200 : 106/112 ; 100 : 69/66)
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At home, with the 600 kB one I got 110...
I think my HSDPA is enabled, because in the extended rom, there's a "hsdpa /enable" in the tasklist...

To have 3G+ speed, you must normalky have a special option : it costs 4€/months (5 € with SFR)
When you tried some months before, it was experiment , test without the need of this option.
With "total TV HD" you don't have especially access to 3G+, because it works with 3G
In Paris, 3G or 3G+ is saturated because everybody has a 3G phone, so the speed is very slow

bebaer said:
To have 3G+ speed, you must normalky have a special option : it costs 4€/months (5 € with SFR)
When you tried some months before, it was experiment , test without the need of this option.
With "total TV HD" you don't have especially access to 3G+, because it works with 3G
In Paris, 3G or 3G+ is saturated because everybody has a 3G phone, so the speed is very slow
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When you read the Announcement about the HSDPA opeing in Paris (and in the next at Lille and Nantes) they do not write about an option to enable HSDPA.

I know, but if you go to orange-business , you can see that to have 3G+ access , it's only for "business everywhere clients" with 3G+ pc card or 3G+ icon usb modem.
Option is 4 € H.T. and free for some months...
They will open 3G+ for private users soon...I don't know, how they will do with 3G+ option.
During experiment, people could try HSDPA free in Lab'Orange in June and Later "TV HD" with Samsung Z560 in september-october before the commercial launch in november.
By the way, they are late in opening 3G+ in Lille and Nantes...They promised to do it for december...
SFR has already converted all 3G to 3G+ (65% of population covered)...Orange is one year too late...because they covered 95% people with EDGE...that is not a bad choice, because most od people have only an EDGE Phone now...

Hi Falex,
Your problem of speed is normal, infect the HSDPA trughput is "best effort".
It is dependent on how many users are in the cell (if alone you get an example 1.3 Mbit/sec, with another user simoultaniosly you will get half of the speed)!Not only the number of users connected but also the CQI value is important, an exampleif your CQI is low (ex.10) than you will switch to QPSK witch provide lower troughput than 16 qam (good CQI), so if the CQI is low you will have lower troughput as your radio conditions (coverage are lower).
Also the network dimensioning is important. The only way to improve is by optimize/expand the network, and i belive that this probably is allready on the Orange next months target.If you terminal is qualcomm 6280, than your calss is CAT 6 (you can arrive to 3 Mbit/sec in DL if network support). I have the same chipset and here in my network i allready saw that speed on the DUmeter!.

Thanks for everyone to answer this post.
SO if I sum'up, when I've done the test with the lab'Orange late June 2006 it was only a test and only the sim car provided by the tet was able to get HSDPA DL speed and field.
Know I understand that like EDGE, HSDPA DL speed depends on how many users use the radio a one moment. But nowadays there is a little few user and mobile or PC Card HSDPA enable, so what I'm thinking is that HSDPA is not available on Orange Network for common user, unlike you subscribe to an "HSDPA option".
I'll call the Customer center today to ask them there point of view about this question.
One more strange things : I'm located in Rennes during the week, I'm 3G covered and when I take a look to the CQI field I've got the same figures ???!!!??? And I've got the same DL speed as I4ve got at Paris or Boulogne.
I'll check my Extended Rom to see if there is the HSDPA /enable task.

If think that the SPV M700 is HSDPA enable!
The chip is qualcomm 6275 , so only 1,8 mbits/s speed is available , not 3,6 mbits/s
In any case, Orange France network is only at 1,8 mbits/s for the moment.
SFR is going to 3,6 now...They have one year advance in 3G/3G+ than Orange...because they choose to not make an EDGE network at beginning...
It's normal to have the same DL speed in 3G in Rennes and in Paris
Call the Customer Service, they will say you how to subscribe 3G+/HSDPA that has nothing to do for example with "TV HD" (normally)

bebaer said:
If think that the SPV M700 is HSDPA enable!
The chip is qualcomm 6275 , so only 1,8 mbits/s speed is available , not 3,6 mbits/s
In any case, Orange France network is only at 1,8 mbits/s for the moment.
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Yep, I've check the extended ROM and therer is in the config file the "SetHSDPA \Enable" command and in the "\Windows\" directory the program setHSDPA is present.
Now how can I check the task ? (I'm a beginner, before I was a Palm User )
bebaer said:
SFR is going to 3,6 now...They have one year advance in 3G/3G+ than Orange...because they choose to not make an EDGE network at beginning...
It's normal to have the same DL speed in 3G in Rennes and in Paris
Call the Customer Service, they will say you how to subscribe 3G+/HSDPA that has nothing to do for example with "TV HD" (normally)
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Ok I'll ask the Customer center.
Just for my point of view SFR has made a mistake to not go Edge because when you are outside the 3G area you are happy when you can surf with the Edge speed instead of the GPRS speed.
About this did you have an Map with the Edge coverage from SFR ? I looking after this for month and month and I found nothing ...

3G vs HSDPA

Guys, I just want to confirm that my Ameo really is running on 3.5G (HSDPA). Is there some icon or way to confirm that? I see the 3G icon at the top but bandwidth test returns 1.1 mbps and I expect more from HSDPA. Or does T-Mobile need to set a switch on their end? I have the web-n-walk plan.
Thanks,
Krip

1.1 is HSDPA, not UTMS

When connected to normal 3G network my Dopod U1000 shows a 3G icon, after HSDPA network covered it will show a H icon.

simdao said:
When connected to normal 3G network my Dopod U1000 shows a 3G icon, after HSDPA network covered it will show a H icon.
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hi, since you can connect to the HSDPA, can you kindly do a test for me for this problem?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302827

Am i on HSDPA....
As soon as you get higher bandwidth than 384 Kbps then you are on HSDPA regardless of what the icon on your phone reads, most networks have the feature enabled to register the "H" icon whebn you are using HSDPA but not all. The message is part of a SIB broadcast and is set as a parameter on the BTS cell that covers you - if this message is not enabled then you will only ever see the "3G" icon
As for speed 1.1 Mbps is about average if you are in a well populated area, the restriction comes mostly from the capacity available in in the BTS site serving you, most operators only have around 2x E1 (approx 4 Mbps) for the entire site so if you have more than 1 user on HSDPA then you will only get around 1 Mbps each - this dynamicaly adjusts if there is more bandwidth available for you to use. To get the higher speeds then you must be in a cell that uses 16QAM modulation (Tytn has this feature) and T-Mobile has this enabled on every site in the network but not all operators do!

normal 3G is 384Kbps download Hsdpa on T-mobile is restricted to their max network speed of 1Mbps but there are rumours of them soon going to 3.8 mbps, but the athena maxes out at 1.8 mbps anyway, so if you want full speed get a USB dongle.

web and walk plus
Im not sure if you are aware but to enable the hsdpa you must be on the "web and walk max" package in the uk.
If you are on the standard W&W package you will not benefit. I have the MAX W&W and can now enjoy the faster hsdpa connection, further more I can get faster speeds using my ameo and wifirouter linked to my laptop than I actualy get via my usb tmobile dongle.
In a nutshell, dont pay extra for the slower hsdpa dongle, not when you can pay £5 extra for the W&WMAX and enjoy wireless connection at a higher speed. I usualy use my laptop with the ameo tucked away inside my suit jacket, and often have people wondering where my dongle is!

hedgemonstahinz said:
Im not sure if you are aware but to enable the hsdpa you must be on the "web and walk max" package in the uk.
If you are on the standard W&W package you will not benefit. I have the MAX W&W and can now enjoy the faster hsdpa connection, further more I can get faster speeds using my ameo and wifirouter linked to my laptop than I actualy get via my usb tmobile dongle.
In a nutshell, dont pay extra for the slower hsdpa dongle, not when you can pay £5 extra for the W&WMAX and enjoy wireless connection at a higher speed. I usualy use my laptop with the ameo tucked away inside my suit jacket, and often have people wondering where my dongle is!
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Not true, I have both W&W added to my phone account and W&Wmax on a data card and both sims are capable of full 1mbps HSDPA in either device

Restricted network speeds on T-Mobile
ice_coffee said:
normal 3G is 384Kbps download Hsdpa on T-mobile is restricted to their max network speed of 1Mbps but there are rumours of them soon going to 3.8 mbps, but the athena maxes out at 1.8 mbps anyway, so if you want full speed get a USB dongle.
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Hi there, T-Mobile does not have any restrictions on download speeds apart from your service level (wnw max, plus etc) almost all wnw users can use the maximum speed available to them (apart from the newer users). The network is fully 3.8Mbps already and has been for around 9 months, within the next 8 weeks it will be 9.6Mbps capable (with a new datacard or release 6 mobile device) and within 6 months they should be around 10.7Mbps capable - most of the restrictions that users see (speeds not higher than 1.2Mbps etc) come from lack of capacity in the BTS site or transmission backhaul, the system automaticaly restricts bandwidth per user so that all users can be served at the same time, and it's not often nowadays that you only get 1 data user per BTS site!! not in built up areas......:-D

W'n'W Std = £7.50/month - No HSDPA (except on some older contracts) 1Gb FUP no tethering
W'n'W Plus = £12.50/ Month - HSDPA - speeds vary depending on congestion - Athena limited to 1,8Mb max 3Gb FUP No VOIP tethering allowed
W'n'W Max = £25? / Month As plus but with VOIP
Unless someone wants to correct me that's how I believe it stands (the old W'n'W Pro for £10/month was only available for a few months)
T do not limit speeds but the 1.8/3.6/7.2 etc are maximums which are shared so you are unlikely to ever get 'full' speed.

My 3G vs HSPDA test from San Antonio
I have a AT&T Tilt. Freshly programed with the 6.1 AT&T Rom. Minimal upgrades like color KB etc.. I have a Panasonic CF-74 connected to the PDA via USB. I ran 4 test each using 3G and HSPDA.
Here is what I found. Using the stock Internet Sharing provided on the PDA.
Active Sync 4.5.
Web site used: http://www.speedtest.net
3G test 1 2 3 4
ping 323ms 165 182 167
DL 1.33mb 1.01 1.35 1.10
Up .34 .80 .52 .24
HSPDA test 1 2 3 4
ping 292ms 189 640 113
DL .99mb .85 .72 1.01
Up .06 .31 .02 .41
It seems to me that 3G is faster.
I rebooted both laptop and pda after each test.
I connected to google once before running each test.
I waited 5 minutes after each boot up.
I used Keiser Tweak.
Nothing was syncing

Hmm,
I'm located in Singapore.
For some reason, after my HTC TP2 switch to 3G instead of HSDPA..
The Opera and Youtube speed is sooo much faster as compare with HSDPA.
When I was on HSDPA, the Opera is slow loading and Youtube a few time with reload for buffering.
Where else, on 3G.. the download speed is so much faster.
The first clip of the video start to play.. I can see the progress bar is on the
way to complete the video loading.
This proof 3G is better in Singapore with Starhub connection.
I still wonder
BTW, this is what I change in the Registry.
Locate the following key in the registry:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Internet Settings
On the Edit menu, point to New, click DWORD Value, and then add the following registry values:
Value name: MaxConnectionsPer1_0Server
Value data: 32
Base: Decimal
Value Name: MaxConnectionsPerServer
Value data: 16
Base: Decimal
Exit Registry Editor.
then softreset and do a speed test

hsdpa
I need the help. But there is no such option under "advanced network" on the htc tilt 2(Enable/Disabled hsdpa option).What programs recomended for me
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anyone know i this will work with t-mobile's new HSPA network?

heavyio said:
I have a AT&T Tilt. Freshly programed with the 6.1 AT&T Rom. Minimal upgrades like color KB etc.. I have a Panasonic CF-74 connected to the PDA via USB. I ran 4 test each using 3G and HSPDA.
Here is what I found. Using the stock Internet Sharing provided on the PDA.
Active Sync 4.5.
Web site used: http://www.speedtest.net
3G test 1 2 3 4
ping 323ms 165 182 167
DL 1.33mb 1.01 1.35 1.10
Up .34 .80 .52 .24
HSPDA test 1 2 3 4
ping 292ms 189 640 113
DL .99mb .85 .72 1.01
Up .06 .31 .02 .41
It seems to me that 3G is faster.
I rebooted both laptop and pda after each test.
I connected to google once before running each test.
I waited 5 minutes after each boot up.
I used Keiser Tweak.
Nothing was syncing
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i used samsung galaxy s wen showing H icon instead of 3g on att usa california, it gave results of 4.1mbps,
i used sonyericsson x10 on att showing 3g icon (it never shows H icon ever though), on att usa california it gave me max speed of 3.97 mbps

heavyio said:
I have a AT&T Tilt. Freshly programed with the 6.1 AT&T Rom. Minimal upgrades like color KB etc.. I have a Panasonic CF-74 connected to the PDA via USB. I ran 4 test each using 3G and HSPDA.
Here is what I found. Using the stock Internet Sharing provided on the PDA.
Active Sync 4.5.
Web site used: http://www.speedtest.net
3G test 1 2 3 4
ping 323ms 165 182 167
DL 1.33mb 1.01 1.35 1.10
Up .34 .80 .52 .24
HSPDA test 1 2 3 4
ping 292ms 189 640 113
DL .99mb .85 .72 1.01
Up .06 .31 .02 .41
It seems to me that 3G is faster.
I rebooted both laptop and pda after each test.
I connected to google once before running each test.
I waited 5 minutes after each boot up.
I used Keiser Tweak.
Nothing was syncing
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I'm getting similar results with my Samsung Captivate on a customer ROM. 3G seems to produce faster results than HSPDA.

i used this tweak on windowsphone
works great!

Very slow HSDPA

I am connected to T-Mobile Internet (HSDPA) and I ran a speed test at www.dslreports.com/mspeed but I only got 395kbps, 0.324s latency. Why so slow?

That speedtester is rubbish - I once got 250k on wifi.

arfster said:
That speedtester is rubbish - I once got 250k on wifi.
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can you recommend a better one?

i've just found out that t-mobile doesn't activate HSDPA unless you call up CS and ask them to enable it. some people have been told that you have to be on web n walk pro to have HSDPA whereas others have had it added free of charge.
http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/archive/index.php/t-45508.html

but one thing is still confusing me... the H is displayed at the top of my screen when I use the data connection. and when I click on it it actually says HSDPA. what's going on?

try http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest.html via your laptop. much better and accurate

if you have the H - then you are def on it. If it was just 3G it would say 3G. But bare in mind that T Mobile HSDPA has been dreadful for nearly a month. It gets so bad that I am considering asking them to release me from contract for violating terms of service. I pay for HSDPA as advertised and I dont get it.

I had web&walk previously and I managed to get full speeds for a while. Once I have reduced my call plan(not data) the speeds were down to 300kbps and less. On these occations, I would still see H as the indication but sure they were capping it on the network.

reopening old thread
I've got H and my provider allows speed up to 7.2/2mbps, but for long time (few months) testing I never get speed higher than about 2.4/0.3 Mbps. I've tested on computers via USB cable and on two different locations both about 500m from antenna.
My provider say that I have all set up correctly and doesn't know why speed is 'so slow'.

reopening old thread
I've got H and my provider allows speed up to 7.2/2mbps, but for long time (few months) testing I never get speed higher than about 2.4/0.3 Mbps. I've tested on computers via USB cable and on two different locations both about 500m from antenna.
My provider say that I have all set up correctly and doesn't know why speed is 'so slow'.

Which provider? Mobitel or Si.mobil? I have Mobitel, and it's true, that it isn't always as fast as it should be - in centre of capital city...

My ISP is T2, unlimited for 10€. It's not listed on this forum settings dropdown menu
What max speed do you get with Mobitel provider and HTC HD

feeltch said:
My provider say that I have all set up correctly and doesn't know why speed is 'so slow'.
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Nearly everywhere 7.2mbit hspa is a myth - the only way you can get it is if nobody else is using the celltower.

A very reliable speed test application is: http:www.mobilespeedtest.com.
The dsl.reports app (on my HD) provides non accurate results.

The more people using a HSDPA or 3G celltower - the slower your speeds get.
Trust me - I've done all the testing from a corporate perspective - HSDPA 7.2 is a myth - you'll never get that speed - its more like 3.2mb/s MAX!. On 3G the average bandwith is about 300kb/s - but only on a good day.
hth

feeltch said:
My ISP is T2, unlimited for 10€. It's not listed on this forum settings dropdown menu
What max speed do you get with Mobitel provider and HTC HD
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I'll test and report tonight, when I'm on a good HSDPA signal covarage!

yo compatriot , have you manage to test the speed yet?

With www.mobilespeedtest.com it managed to get 3Mbit downstream in Ljubljana-Vič, haven't tried Centre yet. For normal browsing and download of some small files it's ok. I'll report if I get better bandwidth!

With www.mobilespeedtest.com:
- I get a 2.37 Mbps speed test result on the 3 MB file(biggest) while connected from my mobile to a HSDPA 3.6 network which allows for a max 1.1 Mbps speed.
- I get a 2.4 Mbps speed test result from my computer while connected on a 15 Mbps ADSL - yes - I do 1.7 MBytes/sec transfers all the time - careful at the units of measurement!
- on smaller than 3 MBytes file size, the results are just random
www.mobilespeedtest.com is FAKE
The flow of the web pages has been so severely thrashed by ISP filters its not reliable to real testing anymore.
Stop.Calling.Any.Web page.A.Speed.Test.
Ping flood is designed for real measuring a line speed, but most ISPs have scripts which will ban you automatically if you sent packets faster than with a delay of 0.02 seconds. That is because is too much prone to abuse.

Boost connection performance

Hey guys
I just tried a speedtest on my laptop, which where connected to the internet through the touch hd. The result: download: 300 kb/s, upload 1020 kb/s.
Is this normal (due to some protocol or something), or can I boost the connection somehow?

What is your operator ? Orange is limited here in France... even for 3G+ : 384kbp/s.
So your not so bad for Orange France... perhaps Orange UK do the same thing.
Ciao
Fred

I'm using 3 in denmark, so it should be more like 4-5 m/bits down and 700 kb/s up.