Hi all!
I have a basicaly question, what is the benefit for xdaI upgrade to WM2003? :?:
If I have a way xda SD port upgrade to SD IO support, I really want to use WM2003 and I will enjoy bluetooth/WiFi through SD IO optional product.
Anybody please tell me, Can I cange SD port upgrade to SD IO support? How difficult to do so? How much I have to pay?
Thank you for all
No upgrade to sdio. You can try the upgrade, if you dont like it just restore your original rom.
sdio cant be added to the xda1 at least not using software
maybe if one could find a sdio chip to replace the sd reader chip which have the same connectors and solver it on
and reprogram the whole rom but i doubt it
from 2002 to 2003 on xda1 is little to be gained from imho
sure some programs need 2003 to run
but many programs made for 2002 dont run on 2003
i did the upgrade yesterday
WM2003
Reason's to upgrade:
1) Read this link: http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/articles.php?action=expand,16788
2) GPRS is faster. The TMO RS6.24.01 that comes with the RUU4.01.00 support GRPS class 8 (4R1T) & 10 (3R2T). That receive & transmit GSM channels.
3) All PPC2002 program works with WM2003 ! In fact, most programs will work better work WM2003. CE4.2 is far more stable, less buggy than CE3.0 in PPC2002. Point taken, Vindigo crashed all the time on PPC2002 but runs crash free on WM2003. Per the link above, WM2003 (CE4.2) was written for the StrongARM processor which is what PPC2002 was too. Intel's XScale processor is compatible with SA but the Microsoft CE4.2 code is not optimized for XScale. You'll see some metrics run faster on a 205MHz SA than 400MHz XScale.
I just got a iMate XDA2 (400MHz XScale) and I don't notice a performance improvement on the same applications I ran on my 205MHz SA XDA1.
If you do upgrade to TMO ROM4.01.00, RS6.24.01, it will be with an .exe file that upgrades both ROM & RS. Get yourself a SD card reader/writer (~$20) & a spare 64M SD card in case the upgrade screws up, then you use the Wallaby bootloader to do the install via the SD card.
Best of luck
2) GPRS is faster. The TMO RS6.24.01 that comes with the RUU4.01.00 support GRPS class 8 (4R1T) & 10 (3R2T). That receive & transmit GSM channels.
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well unless he use the US gsm system 900/1900 then upgrading to that radio stack would be a very very very bad idea
3) All PPC2002 program works with WM2003 ! In fact, most programs will work better work WM2003. CE4.2 is far more stable, less buggy than CE3.0 in PPC2002. Point taken, Vindigo crashed all the time on PPC2002 but runs crash free on WM2003. Per the link above, WM2003 (CE4.2) was written for the StrongARM processor which is what PPC2002 was too. Intel's XScale processor is compatible with SA but the Microsoft CE4.2 code is not optimized for XScale. You'll see some metrics run faster on a 205MHz SA than 400MHz XScale.
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well there are many many applications which dont! work on wm2003 but does on 2002
i could find many examples of this here is just one before version 1.6 this program did not work on 2003
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/todaysinfo.shtml
and just searching this forum give many results of people finding programs which dont work on 2003
and they having to pay for new versions of programs to get it to run on 2003
Rudegar said:
2) GPRS is faster. The TMO RS6.24.01 that comes with the RUU4.01.00 support GRPS class 8 (4R1T) & 10 (3R2T). That receive & transmit GSM channels.
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well unless he use the US gsm system 900/1900 then upgrading to that radio stack would be a very very very bad idea
3) All PPC2002 program works with WM2003 ! In fact, most programs will work better work WM2003. CE4.2 is far more stable, less buggy than CE3.0 in PPC2002. Point taken, Vindigo crashed all the time on PPC2002 but runs crash free on WM2003. Per the link above, WM2003 (CE4.2) was written for the StrongARM processor which is what PPC2002 was too. Intel's XScale processor is compatible with SA but the Microsoft CE4.2 code is not optimized for XScale. You'll see some metrics run faster on a 205MHz SA than 400MHz XScale.
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well there are many many applications which dont! work on wm2003 but does on 2002
i could find many examples of this here is just one before version 1.6 this program did not work on 2003
http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/todaysinfo.shtml
and just searching this forum give many results of people finding programs which dont work on 2003
and they having to pay for new versions of programs to get it to run on 2003
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Understand. I had Lotus EasySync Pro with PPC2002 but did not work with WM2003. Needed an upgrade which they would charge full price. No upgrade policy at Lotus. Screw em. So I went with CommonTime mNotes (Cadenza) for my sync software.
Yes there can be cases, especially with the word "freeware" that could bite you. WM2003 uses the registry completely now whereas PPC2002 didn't use muchof the registry. Apps could install and work without registry entrys. Those app's types probably will bite you.
Thanks for the clarification and feedback.
I have the SX56 and waiting for the hopeful WM2003 official upgrade through Siemens. I don't want to take chances cooking my own ROM.
I've read this thread with interest with regard to the worth of upgrading.
I know there are issues with programs that don't work, and I guess I'll just have to wait and see. I will be eager to use Microsoft voice command.
The last I heard, the latest tentative date for the official Siemens release is supposed to be by Monday, but who knows? (I read this on another forum, so I am not stating this as fact at all!)
Thank you for all reply
I understood I can not change to SD IO suport basicaly
So I have to re-investigate for upgrade to WM2003 now.
I think ROM upgrade is a very risky work for me.
many thanks all of reply again
The Magic can upgrade WM5/WM6 disappointment, so powerful configuration and even impossible Take WM6 disappointment. A strongman change this situation?
Eh? What do you mean?
Can we use WM5 and WM6 on the Magician (WM2003) hardware?
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vijay555 said:
Eh? What do you mean?
Can we use WM5 and WM6 on the Magician (WM2003) hardware?
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I think he meant he's disappointed that there is no WM6 for the magician Considering its a powerful device and is asking any strongman(sorry im not that buff Lolz) to take the challenge.
Why hasnt anyone made a wm5 rom for the magician? Its not like the device lacks the stats to run it.
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Why hasnt anyone made a wm5 rom for the magician? Its not like the device lacks the stats to run it.
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After reading the numerous WM5 threads here in the magician forum, there are three reasons for this:
1. The lack of drivers,
2.And the most significant of all, the memory is too small, i think you need atleast 128MB of ROM.
3. The device is already old to even be given a new rom by hackers, most of them got a kjam or hermes already.
Eikichi said:
After reading the numerous WM5 threads here in the magician forum, there are three reasons for this:
1. The lack of drivers,
2.And the most significant of all, the memory is too small, i think you need atleast 128MB of ROM.
3. The device is already old to even be given a new rom by hackers, most of them got a kjam or hermes already.
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I dont know much about the drivers but in sure that some one could create them, a device called Pharos Traveler 525e runs on 64mb of rom and has windows 5.0 installed on it, there are a few others out there aswell that run on 64mb of rom, The main reason you need such a high level of ram is because of the way wm5 was made, if you install all your programs on a sd card then your problem is virtually gone. The device may be old but im sure that there is someone out there that has the know how to take on this project.
Not RAM, Its the ROM which is small. Theres no deal with RAM, some imate jams have 128MB of RAM,heck even my iPAQ is running WM5 on a relatively small 64mb of RAM (32mb of which is useable RAM), but it has 128mb of ROM. Magician has only 64mb of ROM. The only way i know to have WM5 but still maintain the classical,simple and elegant look of the magician is to trade it for a charmer. But you lose CPU power in the process (magician-xscale;Charmer-TiOmap)
My bad, i meant rom, ive changed the post.
The Pharos has 128MB of ROM and 64MB of RAM see the specs.
http://www.pharosgps.com/products/all-in-one/PTL525E.htm
* Microsoft® Windows Mobile™ version 5.0 software
* Pocket versions of Microsoft software are included (Outlook, Word, Excel,Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer for Pocket PC)
* Processor:SC32442 300 MHz processor
* Memory: 128MB ROM, 64MB SD RAM
* Dimensions:109.7mm (L) x 59.4mm (W) x 17.6mm (T)
* Resolution: 240 x 320 with65,536 colors
* Expansion: SDIO expansion slot
* Built-inBluetooth and WiFi
Yea your right, i got my data off this webiste http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=A0785811
It says 64 MB ROM and 128 MB SDRAM.
my bad
HP iPAQ hx2410 Pocket PC (FA298T). this device runs stock on wm2003 se but has an update to wm5, it runs slowly but it works. heres the link to check the stats. http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF06a/21675-21679-21679-21679-297609-10244635.html.
The thing i dont get is, if you can update this to wm5, why cant it be done for the magician, they have relatively the same stats.
Look mate im not trying to be difficult for you here, you were asking the reason why, and to save you time i gave you the reason which has been repeated for numerous occassions whenever some idiot who doesnt know how to search the forum pops up the WM5 question. If you want to satisfy your curiosity then i advise you to course through all the WM5 threads in the magician forum starting from buzz lightyears thread, and hopefully youll get the answer your looking for.
Why not?
We know how to add/remove files from the ROM, many components from the Magician are used in Himalaya, Universal and BlueAngel
ex:
PXA272 -> Universal
Bluetooth -> Himalaya (both uses BlueCore3)
GFX/SDIO/USB via PXA272 -> Universal
Touchscreen -> Himalaya, BlueAngel
maybe some others, I don't know how many drivers we have to identify, and if the compatibility will be possible with a different architecture/mapping...
And Himalaya and Blueangel have 64Mb ROM and works on WM5... I don't mean we can have a full featured WM5 for Magician, but a "as small as we can" ROM, just for the POC, and let ppl build some special ROMs for special use-cases
I'll try to gather more informations on the forums on how they did cook first releases, try to create a kitchen (Blueangel or himalaya kitchen should work without many changes), and a DEV folder with filtered registries...
And maybe, after WM5.... WM6? And long walk has to be done before first ROM
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The biggest problem seem nk.exe... since there is no nk.exe (WM5) for magician, we can only expect to hack some nk.exe (from universal for processor compatibility), or find a magician-like (same processor and major components) device which already has WM5... It may be a long long and risky walk...
@Eikichi
I have read the forums, but still dont get why the magician cant run wm5 when there are other devices out there that can.
@b0ris747
vicott
Sep 28 2005, 11:41 PM
The minimum requirement of Windows Mobile 5.0 is 32MB RAM and 64MB ROM. For devices having only 64MB ROM, there is a high chance that the devices may only be using a reduced version of WM5.
For example, HTC Galaxy has 64MB ROM and about 33-37MB of it is for persistent storage. One of the models of the upcoming Fujitsu Siemens N500 series may also have only 64MB ROM. And WM5 upgrade is also provided for devices having only 64MB ROM, e.g. iPAQ hx2110/2410, FSC Pocket LOOX 700s and Acer n50.
Taking the HTC Galaxy as an example, a reduced version of the OS may be less than 32MB. Let's take a look at other WM5 devices and their config:
* HTC Universal: 128MB ROM and about 44MB persistent storage
* HTC Wizard: 128MB ROM and about 47MB persistent storage
* HTC Galaxy: 64MB ROM and about 33-37MB persistent storage
* Dell Axim X51V: 256MB ROM and about 195MB persistent storage
* Acer n311: 128MB ROM and about 84MB persistent storage
* FSC Pocket Loox N520 (engineering set): 64MB ROM and about 26MB persistent storage
* HP iPAQ rx1950: 64MB ROM and about 33MB persistent storage
* HP iPAQ hx2190/2490: 128MB ROM and about 80MB persistent storage
* HP iPAQ hx2790: 192MB ROM and about 144MB persistent storage
I got the above info above from the link below
http://www.ppcsg.com/lofiversion/index.php/t59946.html
here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=312625&page=2 last post something that convinced me not to wait for WM5 (the english is not perfect but the point is there). But if you guys are up for the challenge, by all means my best of luck to you and thank you in advance.
The thing is though, wm5 has been put onto a device with the same rom and ram stats as the magician, so that guy is wrong in saying that it wouldnt work.
Since no visible WM5 for the magician is existing not even in experimental form, dnt u thnk d presumption that he is correct works for his favor? anyway you can rebutt all you want but the bottom line is... "There is no WM5 for the magician" in actual or experimental form.
upgrade my dopod 818 pro
wher can i update my dopod 818 pro from wm5 to wm6
Seem easier to finish the work on porting linux...
Eikichi said:
Since no visible WM5 for the magician is existing not even in experimental form, dnt u thnk d presumption that he is correct works for his favor? anyway you can rebutt all you want but the bottom line is... "There is no WM5 for the magician" in actual or experimental form.
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Maybe should ppl investigate linux as a solution... Linux exists for magician (I tried it) but still some work to do to make it bootable under linux (but has been made successfully on other devices, including WM5 compatible devices like ipaq hx4700).
It's legal (not like cracking ROMs) and a lot of informations already exists, and you won't have restrictions on how you use your GSM modem...
Magician could handle WM5... But it would require too much work for what it would offer. Linux is for me a better alternative to focus on.
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b0ris747 said:
We know how to add/remove files from the ROM, many components from the Magician are used in Himalaya, Universal and BlueAngel
ex:
PXA272 -> Universal
Bluetooth -> Himalaya (both uses BlueCore3)
GFX/SDIO/USB via PXA272 -> Universal
Touchscreen -> Himalaya, BlueAngel
maybe some others, I don't know how many drivers we have to identify, and if the compatibility will be possible with a different architecture/mapping...
And Himalaya and Blueangel have 64Mb ROM and works on WM5... I don't mean we can have a full featured WM5 for Magician, but a "as small as we can" ROM, just for the POC, and let ppl build some special ROMs for special use-cases
I'll try to gather more informations on the forums on how they did cook first releases, try to create a kitchen (Blueangel or himalaya kitchen should work without many changes), and a DEV folder with filtered registries...
And maybe, after WM5.... WM6? And long walk has to be done before first ROM
--------UPDATE-------
The biggest problem seem nk.exe... since there is no nk.exe (WM5) for magician, we can only expect to hack some nk.exe (from universal for processor compatibility), or find a magician-like (same processor and major components) device which already has WM5... It may be a long long and risky walk...
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The Htc Atom Uses the exact same processor as the htc magician, You could use the nk.exe from the atom to make the magicians one
Htc Atom
Specifications
Date Announced 2005, 3Q
Network Technology GSM 900 / 1800 / 1900
Hardware/Processor Intel PXA272 416MHz processor
Dimensions (mm) 102 x 58 x 18.5
Weight (g) 140
Display Screen Size : 2.7 inch, 240 x 320
Screen Color : TFT 262k Colours (65k effective)
Design Type : Blok
Navigation Key : 5 way Navigation Key
Other Keys : Volume up/down, Camera, Recorder
Antenna : Fixed Internal
Memory Phonebook : Advance
Internal(MB) : 64MB SDRAM, 128MB ROM
Expansion : miniSD, SDIO
Battery Battery Type : Li-ion 1500mAh
Stand-by (hrs) : 150
TalkTime(min) : 330
Entertainment
Ringtones Polyphonic : 64-chord polyphonics
Customization : MIDI, MP3, WMA, WAV
MP3 Yes
A2DP Yes
TV Receiver Null
FM Radio Yes
Video Record Yes
Video Support MPEG-4, H.263, WMV
Audio Support MIDI, MP3, WMA, WAV, AMR (Stereo Speakers, 10-band equalizer, 2.5mm Audio Jack)
Voice Support Recording, Dial
Games Solitaire and Jawbreaker
Messaging
SMS Yes
MMS Yes
EMS No
Email Pocket Outlook
Connectivity
HSDPA Null
EDGE Yes, Class 10
Bluetooth Yes
3G No
GPRS Class 10 (4+1/3+2 slots)
Infrared (IrDA) Yes
USB Port Yes
WIFI/WLAN 802.11b
Data Cable RS-232, mini USB
Software
Java (J2ME) Yes ,MIDP 2.0, CLDC 1.1
WAP Yes Ver 2.0
Platform / OS Windows Mobile 5.0
Browser Internet Explorer Mobile
Other Application Windows Media Player Mobile 10, Office Mobile (Word Mobile, Excel Mobile, Powerpoint Mobile), O2 MediaPlus, ActiveSync 4.0, PDF Viewer
Personals
Themes No Info.
Caller ID Photo
ProfileID Yes
Camera
Lens Type CMOS, 2.0 Megapixel
Digital zoom
Max. Resolution 1600 x 1200
Flash Yes
Night Mode Yes
Multi Shot Yes
Extra Features self-portrait mirror, self timer, landscape mode
Photo Format JPEG(1600x1200,1024x768, 640x480, 320x240,176x144)
Video Yes
Video Format MPEG-4 (352 x 288, 176 x 144, 128 x 96)
Its worth making the rom so that finally we can have wm5 on magician
I want upgrade/downgrade my O2.
help me!!!
there is also 2003SE
not sure which are the best
some people report some versions
of 2003 deleting their SD cards though
other then that it all mostly comes down to
look and feel
and a few applications which would not run on
2002
thank
Rudegar said:
there is also 2003SE
not sure which are the best
some people report some versions
of 2003 deleting their SD cards though
other then that it all mostly comes down to
look and feel
and a few applications which would not run on
2002
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your favorites (2002, 2003)? some people tell ROM 2003 is 4.01.12?
Im not need app for 2002.more soft free in pocketfreeware... is good.
2003SE, my O2 is GSM low, Ram small!!!
Thank!!!
i will test 2003 again!
4.02.04 ENG Qtek from http://www.romkitchen.de/ I tried to cook - and after 9 versions, I've prepare best one for myself.