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This is weird... I'm running 4.00.11, no extraneous apps or anything third party. When I soft reset, program memory is at 17MB or 45% (which to begin with, sucks). As I use the XDA for a few days, I end up with almost 70% used!
Now, all the apps are truly closed, I even went as far as clearing the IE cache, keeping the SD card removed, etc. No matter what, it happens. And yes, I'm aware of the slider to adjust memory.
It wouldn't be so much a giant paint if it wasn't for the fact that after every few days I need to soft reset. Otherwise the thing just ends up slow and I can't open much in terms of apps.
Is this normal, ie. "what do you expect from Microsoft"? Should I cry? Smash it? Fix it?
Thanks in advance for any insight.
4.00.11 is garbage version with full of bugs!
People experienced WM2003 ROM, most decided to back with Pocket PC 2002 (3.20).
When you cooked your rom, did you make sure that "fix multiple resets" was ticked, I think its to do with logging and debugging stuff taking room and making the system crawl after a while. Worth looking anyway.
lol... bro! you're complaining about reseting every few days?!?
i reset 10-30 times a day!!!! lol
most programs freeze on this $400 piece of s*ht. just like everything else Bill G8s does.
good luck! maybe when Apple make a MACpda
im on 4.00.11 and i have no problems even d/c gprs after browing on wap.
you just hold down the red button till it d.c then you let go and your phone part is still left on
ive had no probs with v4.00.11 best version out for the uk
gaz
No going back!
That's the trouble with all this buggy software... it's got too many features I've been enjoying to go back to the more archane previous (WM 2002) version.
I did select the multiple resets bug fix thing when cooking the ROM. I'm assuming it's just like when using most versions of Windows on a PC, it just craps up if you don't reboot every so often.
As much as I like a lot of Microsoft products (bugs or not, whining and otherwise, it's the most standardized functional platform out there), this thing is frustrating, would be a great product if not for the memory issue.
ntabikha said:
lol... bro! you're complaining about reseting every few days?!?
i reset 10-30 times a day!!!! lol
most programs freeze on this $400 piece of s*ht. just like everything else Bill G8s does.
good luck! maybe when Apple make a MACpda
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Hmmmm, I've been running for weeks now on 4.00.16. No crashes and no resets and no problems. Running lots of extra software too. Maybe you have something installed wrong or a bad rom...
Misterdollymaker
me too
I also have 4.00.11, and I also have this problem with the memory filling up. No other problems however, the 4.00.11 version is very stable on my O2 XDA. A reset every few days fixes the problem. I'll stick with this version, too many improvements compared to PPCPE2002.
yeah I'll 2nd siliconaddicts opinion here...
same issues
that may be true... but some of my best games only work on 2002
the sound is very poor, and choppy at best, in 2003.
how do u get mms/wap to work in usa? or is that just euro thing.
games dont work? which ones?
I cant say I've experienced that with mine....
well... i think of only a couple now,
bust'em arcade
and Strip 4 You, by AIM arcade.
oh! and ALIEN INVASION by www.kyouwan.com
so, 4.0016 doesn't leak memory?
Is there anybody else out there, running 4.00.16 without the strange memory leak?
If so, maybe it's time to upgrade once again... just waiting for the day that one of these ROM upgrades completely fry my XDA.
Are you using surfing with PIE?
I know on my other PPC's with WM2003, that PIE will cache a large temp directory(s) and every so often I go in and tell PIE to delete them out under the Tools->Options->General Tab->"Delete Files" Button
To get an idea look in
\\Windows\Profiles\guest\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\
Directories here can build up and eat A LOT of memory - 5-10 MB easy.
FYI,
JB
Help Before I make a mistake.
I Just picked up this 6800 2 weeks ago and im still within my 30 days.
In that 2 weeks I have went from the original 2.17, Beta 3.16, No2Chem5047, Dcd 2.2.6 back to No2Chem5048.
Basicaly I love the phone. I Love the GPS and RevA. I personaly don't use gps because I have a older PPC that I run TomTom6 on. The Keyboard is sweet and the Wifi Is Huge for me.
The problem is the Ram is giving me a huge headache. A clean rom boots for me at 20mb which is ok. I love the software the Touch has and once I start loading it up to make it feel more like a Touch the ram gets crushed. I have tried every Tweak in the book to shut down startup items to shutting down services. I have made compromise with the touch software I can and cannot load because of memory. Basicaly Im sick and tired of this and its giving me a huge headache. Its like I can't make it look the way I want without sacrificing the very limmited memory.
Maybe its me but after a while at 13mb free or lower with nothing running it starts to feel a little slugish.
What it comes down to the size of the phone doesnt bug me . The keyboard is a real thing I worry about but I use the touch keyboard on my mogul for 1 handed texting sometimes so im already use to it. The wifi is great but im feeling I would take more memory at this point I dont want to get rid of my mogul but if I dont I feel I may throw it out the window if I get one more memory error.
i have a htc kaiser (tytn ii) and at&t tilt (branded kaiser) and the sprint mogul. kaisers has 128mb of ram while mogul has 64mb. my mogul runs faster, smoother, and less problematic than the other two. at some point i felt like i needed more ram on the kaiser as well, but when i saw how the mogul ran, i even switched to sprint. so i too hope you wont make the mistake of exchanging it!
I don't know lol. Maybe its just the fact that I dont know these new devices very well and how they are suppose to run. Before this phone I was on several palm treos for 4 + years. The only thing I can compare it to is my old ipaq 2200 and that thing is 5 times faster then my mogul. Maybe its just WM6 is a memory hog.
I guess it feels like its a little sluggish when its running 13 mb or lower. If there was something I could overclock with that might help me a little thro the rough parts.
What I cant Figure out is out of 45.2mb of program memory and usaly 60% or more is gone. where is it all goin lol? I have alot of the services shut down and only my startkey is loaded at startup . I can sit there and watch everything running and the math just doesnt add up to 25+ of ram. Maybe i just not understanding how these things run.
I thought a touch would be the quick fix that i needed since it had 128mb. I dont know I guess ill think about it for a few more days or whatever
I've seen ROM's on the Upgrading forum that have 30 MB free at startup. That's huge, and it makes me wonder why the more popular (no2chem, dcd) ROM's don't have that much free.
Don't do it!
I did just what the OP is thinking about and what a mistake. Although the Touch runs very well, the lack of a physical keyboard is too frustrating for words. Also, the touchscreen is nowhere near as responsive or accurate as the iPhone or iPod Touch. Beware!
For me, the most important feature of the Mogul is the wifi. If it wasn't for that, I'd have a Touch.
Are you using the Oxios memory program? That helps a ton! And you have to be diligent about actually closing out programs and not just minimizing it. Sure it takes a bit of diligence, but having wifi is well worth the effort IMHO.
I dont know if you are, but if you are running the HTC Home today screen plugin, try your phone without that. It slowed down my phone so much, just by having that one plugin on my today screen. I have replaced it with UltimateLaunch and now my phone seems to run twice as fast
I went to the 2.3 DCD rom yesterday. Every other rom had a ton of memory leaks and connection problems.
Tip:Try Spb mobile shell and Spb pocket plus. They do just about everything you can hope for out of HTC mods and they use almost no memory, dont lag up the phone, make your Mogul very touch friendly and look a ton cleaner then anything I have seen anyone make so far. You can make your phone so you almost never have to use the menue ever. I have everything on my desktop and the stuff I dont use constantly is one touch away no stylus needed.
I have tried every cab on the web that I could find and any and all roms I can get my hands on. The only rom that runs well is the latest DCD with Spb mods on it. I will never go back to the HTC stuff untill they can get there **** together. ATM there software sucks HUDGE! Honestly the HTC stuff always stinks imo and always has but thats just my 2 cents.
I feel your pain man... was in the same boat as you... I just got my 6800 a few weeks ago and it really took a lot of playing around with software combinations to find a set that works well...
The wifi and keyboard are really really useful the more I use this thing and I know I wouldn't be able to do without them so I pained into trying to work around this memory problem.
The main thing I found that eats the hell out of memory is today plugins. I had good luck with SPB Mobile Shell but recently just went back to plain jane today options with weatherpanel which seems to be very solid memory wise. That combo'd with Quickmenu for quick-launch ability, I can usually stay around 20mb at all times. Today plugins also lag the heck out of switching between apps... like going into a text message from a notification... no flashy today plugins make a much faster and cleaner operating system.
Very disappointed to see all these memory problems but I don't think it's the device... it's the software..... os and apps.
Well after a few more days of thinking about it and going to best buy to try out the touch. I relized how much I would miss a nice keyboard . Yea the ram was nice but it felt just as sluggish as mogul . Im seriously thinking a small overclock would help both of these devices. Its just to bad theres nothing out there.
I tried the Dcd 2.3.1 the memory was great best rom I seen yet for memory . After a day of useage out of the new dcd I noticed the rom was alot more sluggish of all the wm6.1 roms I tried. Today I went to No2Chem5049 and all I installed was pocket plus and mobile shell.
I had enough of messing around with roms for a while. I am running at 14-15mb free and 17.8 bootup. It feels somewhat responsive and im just gonna sit back and enjoy my phone for once
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I wanted to switch to the touch too. After the new DCD rom I have about 6 more mb than I had before the other ones. I used to have to reboot it about twice a day. Now I could probably do it every other day just to keep things fresh. Right now I'm cooking some roms and testing out NexVision roms to see what one fits me better. Just testing out different things to get it to where I like it.
Is the phone perfect? No but it seems to get better every month. I think it just frustation for me when I want to trade it because it takes forever to get the things you want it. With the UC or cooking your roms, it takes a lot less time to install the programs. I don't notice the ram too much unless I'm down really low. I don't use wifi much and keyboard I'm' fine with either that or touchpal. I would rather have those things than not have them. It doesn't take too long to reset to get my ram back and it is holding better than ever.
I have installed a couple roms now on my wing, all being TF2D roms of fome sort, and keep running into the problem of having the ROM crap out on me after about a week of working flawlessly. It starts becoming unusably slow. I was wondering if anyone else has encountered this problem and if so is there something I can do to keep this from happening????
Don't get ROMs with TF2D. That thing is annoying and eats RAM anyway. Plus probably all the other stuff you begin to install on your Wing eats the RAM too and soon it because so slow because there is no more RAM for it to use?
Since upgrading my TD2 to the official WM6.5 ROM issued by HTC I have had problems with the handset freezing; the only remedy has been to remove the battery and switch back on. At first I thought it was a hardware fault but a friend's phone has also started doing the same since he upgraded. This never happened previously and only happens every ten days or so.
Has anyone else experienced similar problems?
I'm having the same problems mate. My TD2 on 6.5 freezes spoaradically - I'd say at least twice a week, and the only solution is to remove the battery.
I've been trying to link the freeze with a particular program or app but the phone has frozen at varying times and in many cases whilst no apps are running!
I'm waiting for upgrade on my contract as I've had it with this TD2 and especially WinMo. I mean, how can WinMo store all saved words in SMS on RAM only for it to be wiped after every restart/soft reset?! Why? Argh!
I'm going for the Hero next, and see how nice Android plays!
Good luck with your query...
Mo
miker1892 said:
Since upgrading my TD2 to the official WM6.5 ROM issued by HTC I have had problems with the handset freezing; the only remedy has been to remove the battery and switch back on. At first I thought it was a hardware fault but a friend's phone has also started doing the same since he upgraded. This never happened previously and only happens every ten days or so.
Has anyone else experienced similar problems?
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Does it do this without the mem card installed?
Exactly the same is happening here and the same on my friend's TD2. We have never tried WM 6.1, the first step after purchasing the phone was to upgrade to stock WM 6.5 ROM.
I tried to disable the weather animation on home screen but this doesn't help. My friend has disabled HTC sense and his phone has not frozen after one week. We will have to wait another week or two to proof that this could be the solution.
I hope that Touch Flo is not the cause of this malfunction because WM6.5 UI is very ugly.
I don’t know if the mem card could cause this issue but using the phone without mem card is simply not an option for me. The phone memory is too limited.
My friend also raises this issue on HTC support but so far HTC is ignoring the problem. The only bright word from HTC support was that they will investigate this issue (after many words on how to flash, reflash and hard reset ...).
I really hope that the solution for this very inconvenience will be find out soon.
My TD2 also freezes often compared to Win 6.1 where it almost never froze. I also hope that HTC will make some kind of service pack for Win 6.5 as it doesn't work that well at the moment.
pa49 said:
Does it do this without the mem card installed?
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Not tried it without the memory card, but I need the card for storage. Never froze prior to 6.5 upgrade.
miker1892 said:
Not tried it without the memory card, but I need the card for storage. Never froze prior to 6.5 upgrade.
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I'm not suggesting that anyone uses the device without a mem card! You are missing my point.
Phones that freeze do so for a reason and it's necessary to eliminate possible causes.
Some two years ago I did extensive testing on this subject when the same issues arose around another make and model of phone.
One thing I found is that it is possible to induce instability of handsets when mem cards are used (abused?) in certain ways.
My TD2 used to freeze when I first got it and it has also done so with a number of cooked ROMs. With my current ROM it never freezes and there are no instability issues.
I strongly suspect poor coding of apps and lack of thorough beta testing. Isn't it strange how some apps have been around for years and you can rely on their worth?
Installing to mem card causes issues as well as cards that have installed apps being reused after cooked ROM flashing and previous settings and fat tables being left on the card.
Also when power is low mem cards draw large currents that the battery may not be able to give. They are very power hungry. I took this up with Sandisk Tech Dept and they politely told me that the info on current draw under stress (usage) was not for public access!
So my answer is keep your ROM light (no manila or after market 'front end'), minimise card usage by installing all you can to phone mem, reformat afresh with every ROM flash and keep your battery as highly charged as possible at all times.
Some say 'yes but I do all those things and I never get freezes'. That's fine but no help to those that do.
There really is only one way to find out and that is to take a little time and try it for yourself.
Large address book combined with bad 3rd party program
On my Tilt2 I found that applications like Fring could freeze the phone. After a few tries, I decided not intall that anymore (and Fring might have fixed it by now, but I can't afford to try, because uninstalling required a hard reset).
The phone originally came with HTC TouchFLO, but I switched that off, since it just made everything more difficult to reach. And sometimes the fhone became unresponsive, slow or totally frooze. After I disabled it by using the Windows Today (6.5 or classic) after which I only had about 2 freezes in 1.5 year.
Now I finally upgraded to the latest official ROM for the phone, which has HTC Sense on it. After everybody saying how great Sense was, I gave it a try. It worked reasonably, until I started playing with the Favorites in the Peoples tab. After each new addition (I tried 3) I had to restart the phone, and after restart it still hung up.
I happen to have a quite large address book that I synchronize with ActiveSync. I think I'm starting to see a pattern, where several applications - Fring, Sense, etc - just cannot handle large address books.
By the way, to disable Sense, first switch to the Windows Default (= WinMo 6.5) Today screen, and do a soft reset to get rid of Sense background processes. If you want to use the WinMo classic Today screen, then you can do that after the reset. Directly trying to move from Sense to WinMo classic resulted in another freeze. After disabling Sense, I haven't experienced a freeze, (yet !!!).
^^Try a custom rom,Sense works fine on those as the ROM is highly modified with few errors now.
Hey guys,
I've been with the forum for a couple of years already but got caught of guard recently. I got a mytouch4g in december and it had been working great except for power amp and one or two other programs that I obtained and installed. I reset the phone to factory and reinstalled everything and it started running great again. Mind you, I haven't rooted the phone or really had the need to since it does everything that I've wanted to do to it if I were to root it. Recently in the past couple of days though, the performance has SEVEARLY dropped. Its dropped to the point where the swype on the phone won't even function properly half of the time. I've continue to soft reset the phone hoping it'll clear out the OS and function properly but it keeps slowing down. I was hoping someone may have been receiving the same issues and might be able to help me out. Also, I've noticed that whenever I'm in an area where I have poor coverage, the phone begings to heat up a lot and drains my battery. At work its been happening but it stopped when i managed to connect to the wireless. Its still consuming a pretty high amount of my battery though. I've tried searching for these symptoms but wasn't able to find anything.
Any help is greatly apprceiated, I know this community is one of the best out there. Thanks guys!
Also, has anyone been receiving any issues with their wireless radio or their cell radio with the phone is tilted on its right side to view videos?
When you notice the issue happening, try to go into settings>about phone>battery>battery use and see what is consuming most of your battery-sometimes certain apps you download can cause issues....
Yes, problem is definitely with one of your apps. Get watchdog lite and monitor your system for couple of days to see what takes up resources. Or, start fresh and add apps one by one and see where you start having problems. Also, certain live wallpapers can bog down system beyond believe... learned it the hard way.
As far as radio perfomance - every phone will have a certain position in which signal degrades. Just a nature of the beast.... something will always block antennas one way or another.