Is there a way I can clone/duplicate my sim card? I have a 8525 with BB connect but I also have a Blackberry, and I want to have the same chip in both so I can utilize either one without having to swap sim cards all the time. I know that I cannot have both on at the same time, but I am just paranoid about messing with sim card too much.
theoretically you can, but its a very complex progress on the new cards and im not aware of anyone who has cracked it. On older SIM cards it is possible however, so it really depends how old it is.
The problem is network authentication; the card connects to the network which then sends out a 'key'. To connect, the phone must respond with the correct answer which it deciphers from that key. On older sim cards there was a way of tricking the card into giving up the algorithm used to calculate its response, but the security is a lot harder to crack on new cards.
What does those duplicators do that I see all the time. What about the universal cards? I thought there might be a way of using something like that to copy the card. But maybe I am wrong.
You can try this, its the most popular cloning software that will do a full clone (its spanish)
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?u=http%3A%2F%2Fsimemu.cjb.net%2F&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
Like i said, people clone the older cards. It can depend on your network and what checks they perform, etc I know here in the UK the networks are quite tight, but its not the same everywhere.
Thanks, I will check this out and see what I can do with it.
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Did a search for SD cards and it came up with a SIM EMU post on this site. So going off topic, whats SIM EMU, what can it do for me, where can i get it (tried the link, that didn't work, tried a search and most of the sites aren'ti n english)
Seems like you can put more than one number on a card and switch without having to turn the phone off. Any further input, sounds like it could be good.
Will not work in UK, I found to my cost after destroying 2 sim cards. There is another twin sim holder that works with xda2 though, you just switch off and on when you wish to change sims.
Simemu is indeed a very good way to have up to eight numbers/accounts on one sim card. You select which one to use by pin number, so no more swapping cards over. It works fine in the XDA and just about any other unlocked phone.
The hard part is getting the needed info out of your original sim card. This is called the "Ki" and needs to be extracted. In the UK this has only been possible with all Orange and some O2 cards, never with Vodafone.
In the last year or so, some sims have appeared with a limit on the number of cycles they will run before self destructing, so attempting to extract the Ki can harm the card.
So it all depends on what networks you want to use and how old your sims are.
So can this be done with orange UK sims? My sims are about 4 years old, i have one thats much older, but i cancelled the contract on that so presumably disabled. Also have a couple of active PAYG sims.
I'd be interested to merge the new contract i have with an old number on the same card, would be useful.
I'm currently using everyphone divert, but it diverts all the time, even when my new [hone is off and old one is on. Annoying.
Other pain is it doesn't divert SMS, so i quite often miss them.
Yes, UK Orange cards of this age should be easy to extract the Ki from, payg or contract.
Also if you manage to get the Ki from the de-activated card, you should be able to get Orange to turn it back on as a payg or something.
Remember that only one number can be active at any one time, and you must never have the original sim turned on in another phone while using the copy of it in the multi sim.
Thanks for your replys kerr.
Have you done this yourself? Do you have any links of where i can find out information on how to effeectively try it and get it done?
All i'm looking for is that i have a sim with a great number. Its on orange no monthly tariff (i just pay for calls and just get a bill when i use it) Thats great for me as i hardly use it.
Then i got a new phone on contract (as it was way cheaper than upgrade). I've set up an everyphone divert from my old number to this one, but that annoys me as even with new one off and old one on, it still diverts. Shame.
So if i could get both numbers on the same sim that would be great, in principal! I get my number that i like, and i can quickly swith to new number to make calls (as its got free minutes). After the year contract is up i'll dump the new number anyway.
Whay can't you have the original sim on if its cloned?
Cheers
If you have the original sim switched on at the same time as the clone the system will know about it and you will probaly end up with a zapped sim courtesy of your provider.
there has to be a way around that :wink:
Have you done this yourself?
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Yes, I made a card about 2 1/2 years ago which contains:-
1X O2 Anytime account
1X O2 Offpeak account
1X Genie PAYT
3X Orange PAYT with different off peak times chosen
1X Spanish PAYT
1X Greek PAYT
It has worked fine in every phone I have tried it in.
Whay can't you have the original sim on if its cloned?
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You must not have them both on at the same time because they will both log onto the network and appear to be some kind of fraud attempt. (Somone else trying to use your account)
You really need to programme the card yourself rather than get it done because the last thing you would want is anyone else knowing your Ki.
To do this you would need a phoenix, a pic programmer and a blank silver card. All the software is free.
That sounds like one action packed card!
It would be useful just to have a couple of numbers on there, but you seem to be making the most of it!
Where can the exquipment be bought, borrowed? Is it readily available and cheap?
I see what you mean about someone else having the details. Could be a bit dodgy.
So this method is a bit like having a double sim car thing, but instead of having to turn the machine on and off, you can just put in a pin number.
With the XDA II tho, would the double sim card thing work if you turned flight mode off then on, would that switch the sims? Where can a double sim holder be got from
If you know anyone who is into Satellite Television, they will almost certainly have everything you need to do the job.
If you need to buy take a look at www.interesting-devices.com or www.maxking.co.uk. You could also look in the sat section on ebay.
If you go for a multi programmer like a Mastera, it would be all that is needed in one. See www.mcsat.co.uk.
When you change between numbers the phone does a soft reset, so I imagine flight mode on/off would have the same effect on a twin sim.
Using Supersim
Hello,
i read somewere that's impossible with new sim to read the Ki code of the sim because this code is read-protected.
Tring to read this you can destroy the sim.
It's correct?
I have an italian sim by vodafone!
Thanks for the reply.
Davide
Yes, that's right. Most of the newest SIM cards has a newer algorithm, so u cannot clone it. I don't know about your SIM card, maybe you have an old one. However, if U have 250 entry names in your phonebook, than it's probably new one and it could not be read, but do not be afraid to destroy it..., that will happen if U'l try to read it a few hours again and again....hope this helps!
Regards!
P.S.:
All backUp function support A3A8 COMP128V1 SIM Card only.
This SIM Card Back-UP device doesn't support newest SIM Card that uses COMP128V2 algorythm to code KI key.
Some GSM SIM Cards from 2001 (COMP128V1) are Scan-Limited. It has limited running scan 65536 times. If the scan is over 65536, the SIM Card will be locked. This SIM Card will not work any more.
All backUp function support A3A8 COMP128V1 SIM Card only.
This SIM Card Back-UP device doesn't support newest SIM Card that uses COMP128V2 algorythm to code KI key.
Some GSM SIM Cards from 2001 (COMP128V1) are Scan-Limited. It has limited running scan 65536 times. If the scan is over 65536, the SIM Card will be locked. This SIM Card will not work any more.
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Hello,
i read somewere that's impossible with new sim to read the Ki code of the sim because this code is read-protected.
Tring to read this you can destroy the sim.
It's correct?
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Ki is stored in SIM card like CHV in respective file, but in Ki file's header all permission bytes are FF, e. g. it is impossible to read/write etc. with this file from external. From internal (COS) it is possible to read... the SIM do this when it calculate SRES+Kc
Hi,
Was looking at the twin sim option but seem the same seller on ebay is offering this:-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Universal-6-N...836681504QQcategoryZ67966QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Universal 6 Number in 1 Sim Card for GSM Mobile Phone
Looks like it could stop having the bulge on rear of phone that the twin sim causes.
Any comments on whether it may work?
Scott
That looks neat - however, I have been told that this sort of thing won't work on UK SIMS due to the encryption standard we use (or something like that - sorry to be vague)
I've emailed the seller to ask him if it'll work with UK sims, and will let you know. If it does, I'll try one in the T-Mobile Vario (Wizard).
It is a UK seller so I guess it will work on UK SIMs.
Just got an email from the seller saying:-
The software is only standard STK menu
So - I doubt there is software for Windows Mobile device but I would loved to be proved wrong
Scott
yes, you'd think so wouldn't you...
From googling around, it appears that all supersims have a restriction that they only work with V1 and V1+ SIM cards. Not V2...
...and apparently all recent UK sims are "V2". I'm afraid I'm just passing on info from this forum, and have no way of checking what sims are v1 or v2. If someone will let me know how to check, I will do for o2 and t-mobile sims that I have
slewis1972: be very careful. As indicated, 6in1 are sim copiers, that require cracking the encryption on the sim before they can host the copy.
If this cracking doesn't work, it's destructive AFAIK. So, you'll be left without a sim. They work only on older Cellnet era sims (in the UK) and ok in some foreign countries.
I've posted on a £4 sim cut dual sim from ebay. Works well on Magician.
Hope that helps.
V
STK menu means SIM Toolkit. STK is a way for SIM cards to have their own menu with special functions on mobile phones.
This is not used much by UK operators, but it is very used elsewhere. You simply get an additional menu in your mobile phone.
This is also supported by Jams and Wizards of course, as it is a standard feature of SIM cards. One of my SIM cards have a STK menu, and it appears perfectly on the Wizard (and previously on Jam).
The problem is whether the PC software will be able to copy the data residing in our SIM cards, whether UK or non-UK. In theory, if our mobile phone can read this data, then why shouldn't this kit be able to do it.
We need more answers from the vendor. It might actually work.
A bit more research: there's no current sim copiers that can "crack" the encryption on a V2 SIM, although sim max are apparently working on it.
Every card in the last 2 years - possibly longer - has been a v2 card.
again, I'd love to be wrong as I'd love this to work, but I think it's sorta doomed
Thanks for your research.
I am waiting for an answer from the vendor, but I have also sent emails to one of his previous customers. There are also guys in the UK among his previous customers.
In any case, I do not get the argument related to encryption. Any mobile phone can read the data on any SIM, as long as you give it the correct PIN number. The encryption might be an issue if someone tries to crack the SIM without knowing the PIN code, but in this case, we all know the PIN codes of our SIMs, so why shouldn't this device be able to read the content of our SIM cards...
Anyway, let's see what the vendor will reply. He is got excellent eBay feedback by the way, and many have bought this 6 in 1 super SIM...
Sirox, I suggest you do some detailed reading on this before you risk a SIM on it. There's a great difference between getting the sim PIN and this procedure. This requires you to crack the encryption of the SIM itself and clone it, and then emulate it back from the clone card.
This is not something most Operators like (although some operators will provide you with a second sim to use simultaneously if you ask).
v1 cards had a weak encryption.
v2 cards (current) are hard, if not impossible to crack, AFAIK.
http://www.gsm-talk.com/t227735p1-please-help-cloning-uk-sim.htm
From http://ucables.com/ref/SIM-SCAN
some cards can be destroyed using this function!!! especially prepaid cards!!! because they have limited running of a38 from 10000 to 65536 times and after that a38 do not work anymore!!!
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Hi Vijay,
Thanks for your info.
The vendor has replied to me saying that this product supports V1 and some V2 type SIM cards, about 98% of SIM cards around. And you have to note that UK GSM providers have never been particularly up for high technology, compared for example to Italian GSM providers who use much more advanced SIM cards, with lots of menus, and 128K, etc.
What I have done, I have written messages to 6 UK-based people who have bought this stuff on eBay (all with positive feedback), asking them to report back how it works and which GSM providers they use. I believe this is the best way of solving the issue.
In any case, I am not at all interested in cloning my SIM card per se, as this would be easily done by asking the operator for a duplicate for car usage. I am only interested in having my 2-3 SIM cards (of different countries) in one, without needing to swap them.
I will report here when I receive answers from those previous customers.
Maybe this can help you ...
Explain how to distinguish V1 from V2 SIM card ...
http://www.nowgsm.com/supersim.htm
16 in 1 SIM
Take care about the NOTE : Work near 100% on V1 card but incompatible with V2 ...
Regards
Asmo
Thanks for the info and the link!
The product mentioned in your link seems to have different specs from the one that originated this thread, as this one declares that it can read some V2 cards too.
By the way, the indication in the note might be useful. It says that if the SIM supports more than 250 numbers it may not be compatible. As a matter of fact, my Vodafone UK (contract) SIM card has only 200 slots, so it might be COMP128V1, therefore compatible.
As I said earlier, UK operators do not tend to use latest technology. In Italy for example, GSM operators made big marketing campaigns a couple of year ago for the new 64K SIM cards. Now they are doing it with the 128K SIM cards, while in the UK I think they are all still 16K or 32K. And they do not use the SIM Toolkit features.
By the way, a couple of eBay customers have already replied that they haven't received the stuff yet, but will let me know when they receive it.
A few months ago I was almost going to buy a sim card reader and a special SIM Card that was supposed be able to hold the information for 12 different cards. Then I got my wallaby, and started scouring the internet looking for software to do this on my P10B1. Anyone heard of any software that could read and write to sim cards in this way? If not, someone should make it.
this is impossible.
nothing is impossible, maybe if you'd elaborate on your idea's a little more we'd understand why you think it is impossible to clone a sim card. Even if the sim reader doesnt have the capability to write, Software could be written to read the information from a sim card and electronically store it to be used for later. Perhaps phones could be used without sim cards.
Hi,
Is there any possibility to update Phone software in TyTN or do anything to could make a sim card images ?
I have 3 sim cards and use them often, but always have to replace them in my TyTN by taking battery out and in...
If sim card is a data card, I thought that maybe there us any chance to use some software like for normal CD Image...
Have you ever heard about something like that ?
There are multi-SIM cards which offer the ability to store multiple individual SIMs and activate whichever one you want (though it's always only 1 live card at any given time). Basically, you use a computer to copy multiple SIM cards' information all onto one card, then use the multi-SIM software on the phone to switch between them.
However, most modern SIM cards are encrypted and if you try too hard to decrypt it, the SIM card can actually break as a result. For example, I'm told that most SIM cards you get in the UK these days are more or less uncrackable for this purpose. But I'm not sure about the situation in other countries.
Hey does anyone know if there is anyway to make a copy of the sim card so i can have 2 cards with the same number?
Not that I am aware of. I believe the ID is pretty much unchangeable on a sim but these days almost anything is possible. I know that T-Mobile's system will not allow two sims with the same ID on the network at the same time. Not realy sure but I think there are legal issues with it as well. If it is illegal then better to just let it go.
It is possible to copy your SIM card, however you cannot have two SIMs with the same serial number registered on any network at one time. You must power off one phone then power on the other.
Beware though, SIM card cloners are very slow and carry a significant risk of ruining your existing SIM card in the process.
If you still want to do it, eBay is your friend.
thainess said:
Hey does anyone know if there is anyway to make a copy of the sim card so i can have 2 cards with the same number?
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I know they have that device at Tmobile stores. I had them use it for me to clone my existing sim card that was going bad.
the device they use at T-Mobile stores only copies your contacts. the actual SIM id is changed in their system so that your account, phone number, and SIM id all line up. once a SIM is bad the number is no longer used. and yes, Ebay is your friend.