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GPS and TomTom5 Problems

I recently purchased a bluetooth GPS receiver (branded as Fusion with X70 as the name on the back - purchsed from Polstar) and TomTom5 software but cannot get the two to work together.
I have bonded the receiver and set it as COM7 and I can choose that in TomTom5 as the COM port to use but it always says "No GPS Device!"
I have also downloaded and installed the BlueTooth Tools software but this hasn't helped either.
I have an o2 XDA2 and any help with this would be much appreciated.

I think mine is set to BT on com6. You must make sure the GPS receiver has a satellite signal before you try to configure tomtom (flashing light or whatever). Keep trying different settings, that's what I did

I think I have tried all the settings I can, I am beginning to wonder if i've got the correct version of TomTom5 installed! My device information says my platform is PocketPC and that is the version of TomTom5 I installed.
I have tried various settings and soft-rebooted my phone in the meantime after each change and tried without re-setting too!
This is getting rather annoying now

sorry, I'm using com5. Have you made sure you've got a satellite connection first.
Mine is version 5.000

When I turn on my GPS receiver I get two lights flashing, one to indicate that the bluetooth is sending a signal and the other to say that the device is receiving a GPS signal.

Try this...
Hi Dave,
Did you buy this via eBay? Couple of friends have bought from the same guy and neither worked, even though it seemed that they were (flashing lights, bonded etc). Both Polstar/Fuzion.
Anyway, if it won't connect via 'other bluetooth', try selecting 'other cabled device' and then select 4800 baud and your bluetooth com port.
Don't know why, but have had to do this with 3 different PDA's so far (2 XDA, 1 ipaq). It seems to work fine, although the data rate's a bit slow.

Any bluetooth gps I have has installed as com 5 when bonding, it asks if you wish to install serial profile and allocates com 5. I have noticed however that tomtom is very weird with its gps module, it keeps saying gps not found or signal lost etc and then I have to reselect other bluetooth and com 5 and even then sometimes I have to reinitialize the receiver before it is found. I always advocate the use of a wired gps if it is only required for vehicle use, it is less problematic, easy to configure and works 99.999999% of the time without problems.

If you run BT Manager and then check settings, it generally sets up as inbound com5 outbound com 6.
I have a Navman that behaved perfectly on Com 5 on TT3, on TT5 still behaves perfectly, but now uses Com 8 instead.
No idea why, don't really care that much -- it works.

I did buy the items from eBay and I am going to get back to the supplier (Polstar I believe) to see what I can fathom out.
Many thanks for all your advice, I have tried all options but still cannot get it to work so I will post a reply with the solution that works for me and hopefully it will work for others too.

No signal
Hi
the TomTom 5 has a new implementation, from the the TT3. It can manage the bluetooth connection. When you creat the connection with your pocket pc, by serial port, you must creat one connection of paired devices, as you created to your headset, bluethoot, of course. By the way, usually tt5 uses com 6 to connect with gps receivers.
The first time you configure your connection you must stay in position to receive signal from satelites, because its important to record all information from your gps receiver.
Regards

With regards to that marcusmodestus I think tonight, I will try and remove TomTom5 and delete my connection to the receiver and try installing again, from fresh.
Should I bond my reciever before or after I install? And should I run TomTom5 only with the bond in place?

bt gps
I bought one of these
set up as other cable on com5 but set baud rate at 38400 works fine 4 me

Success!
First, thank you all for helping me with this!
I have managed to successfully set it up now and here is the process...
Install TomTom5
Bond the device (I only had the option of Serial COM 7)
In TomTom5, change the preferences to use "Other Cable" and set the baud rate to 4800.
Magically I then get 5-6 satellites, a signal and an annoying American (which I will change to a nice english lady)
Thank you all again!

after hours of trial and error with tomtom5 and buzzmobile5.0 together with a xaiox wonde-xl bluetooth gps mouse (nemerix chipset) i learned the following:
it is recommended that you disable the gps manager of buzzmobile5.0 (not doing this has caused my device hang and auto soft reset some times). after that the following procedure worked for me:
1. pair your bluetooth gps device with your xda
2. assign a free outgoing com-port to that device (what com-port is best? please read text below.)
3. go to tomtom gps settings screen choose other bluetooth gps device
4. the assigned com-port number should appear in the next tomtom screen.
usually you should be done now and the connection should work, but i always had to delete the gps device in buzzmobiles bluetooth connection manager and had to re-pair it again, re-assign the com-port and re-start tomtom in order to get it work.
for any reason i then choosed to assign com8 as com-port for my gps mouse. and from this moment on tomtom5 was able to re-establish connections after switching of and on the gps or after switching xda on and off. i don't know what the exact reason is but choosing com8 was my solution to get tomtom5 working together with my gps on a comfortable way.
hope this helps others
regards
peter

I had this problem with Tomtom 5. No matter what I did it wouldn't work with my receiver.
I found that when I downloaded the 5.1 patch and installed it it worked fine with the GPS receiver set to COM6. Usually takes about 30 secs for the receiver to be found though. I think the update sorted out the Tomtom bluetooth support to a later version.

hi ...
how can i disable the gps manager of buzzmobile5.0?
thx mtc

settings --> system --> GPS
On the access tab uncheck the box
btw : I just saw that GPS hardware port shows com5 now. I'm sure I set both hard and software port to none cause somebody adviced this.
Anyway last week I didn't have to re-pair my gps in order for tomtom to find it ( which before I had to do every time I closed tt5). I've been messing in the registry to create extra com5 ports, maybe that's what caused it.
Anyways I now only have to switch on the gps and fire up tomtom and it immediately shows my position. Hope it will last..........

GPS+ TomTom5 problems with new Blutooth Stack

When I first tried installing this stack (see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=33532 ) my exisiting bluetooth devices - a Jabra BT200 headset and Ambeon GPS both worked, just like that - without re-pairing, the latter with TomTom3.
However, in order to make stereo over A2DP to work I had to hard-reset and reinstall everything. Glad to say A2DP did work! However took opportunity to upgrade from TomTom3 to TomTom5.
Now I've re-paired with the GPS using the new stack, during which it asks if I want ti install a serial port. But it doesn't seem to be recognised by TomTom. And, if I go to the COM tab, and try and add a new port there is nothing in the drop down.
Any ideas?

The BT outgoing port on my magician is fixed at Com5. Maybe because I am using GPS Gate (a program to create virtual Com port so that U can open 2 or more GPS program at the same time), I don't have any problem before and after installing that BT stack.
Maybe U can try GPS Gate too. Just open Com5 in GPS gate and create an virtual port Com6. Then ask TT to connection to Com6.

Thanks but it's all OK
I used this great little free program
http://www.teletype.com/downloads/tty.zip
to test whether the GPS box was actually connected (but not recognised by TomTom) and it was - on COM5!
So I pocked around with TomTom some more, and found that it could pick up a signal on COM5 but if a signal was not there it reported that 'No GPS device' rather than 'No valid GPS signal.'

upgrade tomtom 5 to tomtom 5.1 :wink:

GideonS, did you get BT outgoing port to show up? If so, how? Like you, when I try to select one, it comes up with a blank selector box.
(Maybe I missed something in the thread, but the GPS Gate surely relies on diverting an existing port?)
thanks in advance!

Re: Thanks but it's all OK
GideonS said:
I used this great little free program
http://www.teletype.com/downloads/tty.zip
to test whether the GPS box was actually connected (but not recognised by TomTom) and it was - on COM5!
So I pocked around with TomTom some more, and found that it could pick up a signal on COM5 but if a signal was not there it reported that 'No GPS device' rather than 'No valid GPS signal.'
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my tt5 5.21 (5430) + iberia plus 6.3.2 don't recognize my Socket GPS (http://www.socketcom.com/product/GP0820-521.asp)
i used that program you mencioned and it receives data on COM8 as defined by me
i'm at home and i never get a fix inside so i can't test if it's the same situation of the error messages switch
when i do, i'll post the result

GPS in settings, tomtom problem

I am trying to set up tomtom 5.21 with my BTGPS74 receiver but cant get the two to communicate. I know there is some settings you can change in settings/system/gps but the problem I have is I dont have the gps option in settings anywhere. Am I missing something? Does any on know what I should do. Tomtom wants me to use port 3 or 7 but when I try to set them in bluetooth settings it says its not possible check your settings. Any suggestions would b welcome. Thanks.
P.S I know the receiver works as it still works well with my N70.

...you should've gotten a GPS icon if software GPS recognized.
In rgister you can force simulation.
hklm\controlpanel\gps]
delete redirect and add 'group' with dword=2
Then GPS icon will appear.
I gave it programport 7,hardware 6, baudrate=57600
gps auto checked
I'm not sure about the settings...

I had to create incomming and outgoing com ports on my 3100 (not sure if you need both)??
TomTom used com port 9 and works like a dream
as soon as you start the programme it connects automatically as long as my receiver is on.
It even connects when the BT on the 3100 is turned off - it starts the BT automaticlally when tomtom runs!

Yeah i agree all you need to do is set up the com ports, then fire up tomtom and select the com port you just set up and away it goes
Chris

Thanks for the replies guys. I know I have to set the com ports but the problem I have is there is nowhere for me to do this. For some reason the gps settings is missing from the system/settings. I am going to try to reinstall tomtom to see if it helps. Tomtom has ports 3 and 7 showing but they seem to be taken by something else so I cant configure my receiver on either of them.

I have a slightly different problem... my TyTn can connect to the BT GPS reciever, but as soon as TomTom tries to calculate a route, or I click the GPS signal icon it crashes back to the Today screen...
I've got TomTom installed with 5.21 update, anyone had any problems like this?

you just need to pair your bluetooth device go to settings connections and bluetooth and add new device, let your tytn search and it will find a new device when you have paired it select new comm port outgoing
I have no gps setting in control panel either
Cheers
Chris

Hi,
i have a strange problem with my BT. I cant create a incoming or outgoing BT port. I dont know why but it wont let me create any ports.
Anyone with the same odd problem?

I had a similar problem, Tytn would only let me choose COM0 (Zero) as outgoing port, and TT works fine with it. However, I would like to add Mapking for Asia, and this navi soft will not accept a GPS on COM0. Anybody understands why Tytn is only offering COM0 as outgoing ports for GPS?

I have set the com4 as outgoing port and now tomtom seems to work fine.

thanks for that info.
I don't know why only port 0 and all other ports are blocked but TT works for me now. I only need to wait for a better ROM and i can leave my Wizard home

I have written to a good contact at HTC since I need COM ports other than 0 for Asian Mapking navi soft (in add. to TT) . Will keep you posted.

Answer from HTC:
"As my testing, the Outgoing port is not limited with COM0. PaPaGo can accept with COM0, COM2, COM4, COM8, and COM9. I think the limitation of COM0 is the software limitation of TOMTOM, So if the user wants to use Mapking that only support COM1~7, he need delete the outgoing port COM0, and reassign another COM port for the BT GPS."
I imagine the problem lies between the Tytn and TomTom only, and other navi soft would find other COM ports. But I am kind of hesitant to interfere with a working TomTom, and go through the outgoing COM port game again...

I'm using Navigon and set up an outgoing Connection on com2 and it works fine for me.
sounds like TT is the problem ...
greetz
sphings

Guys, let me try to help you a little bit, as I work in navigation software development (Destinator).
1. The COM ports has nothing to do with the actual software you are running. This is pre-defined in the ROM you are using. That is also the reason why we see variations here - we use different ROMs.
2. In order of enabling a COM port, you do NOT need to discover the GPS icon on the settings. It is quite useless unless you wish to work simultaniusly with more than one software.
3. To enable a COM port, after you pair the GPS, look down for the tab COM Ports in the BT settings Manager. You only need to create Outgoing COM.
4. Strange but usually you will only be able to choose between 2 COM ports. The rest are hidden by the OS. MAKE SURE that you disabled the "Secure Connections". Default key for all the GPS receivers is "0000" and for Globalsat 308 is "2003". The last is AKA HP GPS.
5. If you cannot enable any other COM port than COM0, this is a ROM problem and you should contact your ROM provider like the mobile carrier. You can also try to enable other COM ports with the attached CAB file. Simply run it, it will expose all COM ports for you and now you should start trying. I reccomend to test COMs 4-8 first, normally, it will solve your problems. (Note: I got this file previously here and did not create it myself).

There have been may posts about TomTom not recognising B GPS's.
One solution that doesnlt seem to be mentioned here id to ensure that the name of the GPs in BT connections actually ends in "GPS"..
If it doesn;t renove the pairing and re-pari , but change the name this time to something that ends in "GPS"...
good luck
Charlie Grillo

Thanks guys, found another solution that works for me now:
1) Set your Bluetooth GPS to another COM port than 0 (TomTom´s standard port 6 was not available, so I choose 2)
2) open Programs/Navigator/navigator.cfg with a text editor, change COM0 to COM2
3) start TomTom - working on COM 2!
Started Mapking, found COM 2 - working now.

hello fellas,
as you can see im new here. im thinking of buying the TYTN, a sector which i have never explored before (pda sector).
it sounds great with the applications and due to my work, a need for a pda is becoming bigger.
i posted in this message due to the GPS topic.
i got a very stupid question which you may recieve occasionally if i buy the tytn.. :twisted:
why do a person need BT enabled GPS? i read you can connect it to your PDA but for what reason?
thanks in advance and apologies for any inconvience..

@D_G - welcome to this board
In order to run navigation software on your Tytn you need a external GPS connected to it. Easiest solution is a external GPS connected via Bluetooth.
Another solution would be to buy a PDA phone with a GPS receiver on board, for example the ETen G500.
Of course we would all be interested in a UMTS PDA with integrated GPS, with acceptable battery life, but that will take some time...

thanks lucas for the answer. but why would you need a navigation software if you have a GPS device? in either case you will need to have both devices in a particula blue tooth range. right?
this means you will need your handheld device + the GPS to activate the navigation software, or dd I miss something?!

BT GPS & Tom Tom 6

Can you help? I have just acquired a very small GPS receiver, the Holux GPSSlim 240, which is excellent and seems to work with my Varios II so far. It is fine with it's own GPS receiver checker and works very well with Google Map; the problem is Tom Tom 6 which has only twice seen the actual GPS receiver. When it has worked it appeared fine but I cannot get it to work again.
I have made 'GPS settings' available within settings (using Hermes fit4cat) and have succesfully BT paired the device (obviously) - the problem seems unique to Tom Tom 6. I have seen other posts and suggestions but they do not solve the problem.
Within WM5 settings/system - I have GPS program port: COM2, GPS hardware port: COM4 Baud: 57600, and the "Manage GPS automattically..." is ticked. Within Bluetooth Settings I have ticked 'serial port', and within 'COM Ports' I have the "Holux240" tied to COM2. I have also tried the program on Com Port 9 - Google map and the GPS Receiver Test app worki fine but TT6 seems not to see the GPS Receiver.
Any ideas would be most welcome - I am keen to try out TT6.
EDIT: Problem solved , after much searching of other sites I came back to this here and found that the issue with TT6 appears to be it's incompatibility with the WM5 setting "Manage GPS automatically (rec...)". I followed the instructions (from the link) which included turing this off and TT6 connected immediately! However, I have now found that Google Map, which previously worked consistently) will now not work at all.
My Conclusion: TT6 has problems with WM5 management of GPS via BT but Google Map seems to require it! Interestingly, the Holux GPSSlim 240 PPC software "GPS Receiver" seems happy with or without WM5 management of the GPS. I assume that Tom Tom will, in due course, issue a fix.
Thanks

tony.wheeler said:
EDIT: Problem solved , after much searching of other sites I came back to this here and found that the issue with TT6 appears to be it's incompatibility with the WM5 setting "Manage GPS automatically (rec...)". I followed the instructions (from the link) which included turing this off and TT6 connected immediately!
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Beat me to it! I actually have the exact same GPS with Tomtom6. That thing is tiny isn't it?

Problems Solved?
I have just updated TT6 to version 6.010 (simple overwrite of TomTom Navigator.exe) and it now appears to work OK with WM5 management of the GPS. That means I can now run 4 applications that all require GPS access and all seem to work simultaneously! - albeit memory allocation means they get a little slow....
I have just been running TT6 (ver 6.010), Google Map (PPC ver 1.0.0), MS Live Search (ver 1.0.2592.31374), and MoDaCo CameraAware (- all with GPS access working and managed by WM5. Each of the 4 apps now starts and automatically connects to the BT GPS receiver (TT6 even starts BT ok and connects within about 15 secs).
Settings to achieve this are:
WM5 BT - GPS Receiver partnership with Serial Port ticked, Receiver added to Outgoing port as Com 2 (secure connection not ticked).
GPS Settings - Program port set to Com 9, Hardware port set to Com 2 at 19200 (4800 is enough I believe), Access tab - tick in the box "Manage GPS ..."
TT6 - (Installed on micro SD Card) Holux GPSSlim 240 configured as "Other Bluetooth ..." on Com 2 (interestingly Com 9 will not work and I thought this was the one that should be used given WM5 management in my case).
Google Map - (Installed on PDA) Google map just connects so I do not know what port it is accessing on. Presumably it just searches [prts till it gets one that works. Interestingly Google Map will not work unless WM5 is allowed to manage the GPS connection.
Live Search - (Installed on micro SD Card) Works on either Com 2 or Com 9. Note: it appears that even though you can set the map cache (up to 8Mb) to the storage card that this setting is not saved so not sure where it is saving the cache (time will tell with memory available on the device).
MoDaCo CameraAware - (Installed on micro SD Card) works on both Com 2 and Com 9. Seems to work alongside TT6 - will report back.
Holux provide a "GPS Viewer" PPC application and that connects to the GPS receiver on either Com 2 or Com 9. Not sure all this is the way it should work but it seems OK for me.
Tony Wheeler
Vario II

Gps port?

Hi,
would like to know which port is for the internal GPS system, I deleted the pre installed tomtom navigator and try to install tomtom navigator6.0 This program prompt me for a GPS port and I don't know which one.
Could you help me?

Hi,
this is what works for me:
WM5: port 4, speed 4800, internal GPS receiver
WM6: port 5, speed 9600, Other NMEA receiver
In the settings: same data and check "automatic management" (or the like, I
have an italian OS)
Hope this can help
Mauro

With AP Touch Rom 3.0 on Google Maps I have to choose port 4 with 57600.

pumats said:
Hi,
this is what works for me:
WM5: port 4, speed 4800, internal GPS receiver
WM6: port 5, speed 9600, Other NMEA receiver
In the settings: same data and check "automatic management" (or the like, I
have an italian OS)
Hope this can help
Mauro
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via Settings->System->GPS I can select the com port on my T-Mobile Ameo DE
on TomTom you choose other NMEA receivers.

hi
in settings under external gps it asks for
programs .> gps program port ????
Hardware -> gps harware port -> i set it to com 4 57600
access - manage it autimatically is checked
and gps does not get any setting s in google maps
just says seeking sattleites ????

Hi.
In settings>system>external GPS:
GPS program port: WM5 -> com4, WM6 -> com5
Hardware : WM5 -> none, 4800, WM6 -> none, 9600
manage it automatically: checked
In TomTom (GPS status):
WM5: internal GPS, 4800, com4
WM6: other NMEA receiver, 9600, com5
These settings work for my device, hope it helps.
Mauro

On Google Maps and Delorme Maps I get "searching for satellite" when the settings are right, but it hasn't locked-on yet. When the settings are wrong, I almost instantly get an error message. So I'm guessing if you see "searching..." you have your settings right.
As for finding a signal, the achille's heel on this unit is locking on when you are inside (either a building or even some cars). Outside or inside my car it will lock on in 20-30 seconds, sometimes sooner. Inside my house or office it will fail 98% of the time. The sirf/star unit attached to my Palm will lock on inside my house - in the middle of the 1st floor - in under 20 seconds.
I think with all the trade-offs they had to make to get all 4 antennas to work together without interference, the signal strength on the internal GPS antenna got the short straw. I have top-notch strength on the cell and bluetooth antennas, so obviously they got top priority. I don't use wifi so I don't know how well it works, but the gps signal strength could use some work for the future X7502...

GPS, TomTom
I have a T-Mobile Ameo and recently I have installed TomTom Navigator 6.
when I start TomTom it takes between 5-20 minutes before it gets connected with a satellite.
Is this normal, or is there a problem..?
if not, what should I do to resolve this problem..?
grtzz,
Avicenna