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wifi painfully slow...

I'm not sure if this is normal or not. I just got my Cingular 8125 and the wifi is very slow. I don't know how to measure the actual speed but for instance on my broadband connection, going to Google.com opens up in about a second. On dial up it takes about 5 seconds. However, on my phone using wifi, it takes about 20 seconds. When using wifi on my laptop, it is comparable to my broadband speeds my router is connected to.
I have pretty slow GPRS service as well and wifi is comparable.
I get the same slow speed on 802.11b as well as 802.11g networks (g network with registry hack)
Is this normal? The wifi speeds with the unit brand new out of the box was very slow. I flashed the rom and even overclocked to 240, the wifi internet is still painfully slow. I don't really find this useable. If I go to a page with images and such it can take a minute or so.
Anyone have any suggestions? Are others getting good speed on wifi. I tested by watching a streaming video and the speed shown on the bottom of windows media was 18k.
Were my expectations too high? Is there a setting I have incorrect?

IdeaDirect said:
I'm not sure if this is normal or not. I just got my Cingular 8125 and the wifi is very slow. I don't know how to measure the actual speed but for instance on my broadband connection, going to Google.com opens up in about a second. On dial up it takes about 5 seconds. However, on my phone using wifi, it takes about 20 seconds. When using wifi on my laptop, it is comparable to my broadband speeds my router is connected to.
I have pretty slow GPRS service as well and wifi is comparable.
I get the same slow speed on 802.11b as well as 802.11g networks (g network with registry hack)
Is this normal? The wifi speeds with the unit brand new out of the box was very slow. I flashed the rom and even overclocked to 240, the wifi internet is still painfully slow. I don't really find this useable. If I go to a page with images and such it can take a minute or so.
Anyone have any suggestions? Are others getting good speed on wifi. I tested by watching a streaming video and the speed shown on the bottom of windows media was 18k.
Were my expectations too high? Is there a setting I have incorrect?
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Always best to be sure that you are actually using the wifi connection - Try disconnecting the gprs first before you connect to wifi. I have an issue where if I leave my gprs connection enabled all the time it takes precedence over my wifi no matter what.

Bratag said:
Always best to be sure that you are actually using the wifi connection - Try disconnecting the gprs first before you connect to wifi. I have an issue where if I leave my gprs connection enabled all the time it takes precedence over my wifi no matter what.
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Tried that but still no luck. When connected by wifi, I see the little wifi icon on the title bar. When connecting to GPRS, it shows the E and actually a pop-up saying it is connecting to GPRS. This part is actually working great. Uses wifi by default when wifi is on and GPRS is not.
I did try to disable GPRS entirely but still get the same slow results.
I also changed the wifi setting to maximize performance instead of save battery life. Didn't seem to matter.
I may experiment with Opera Mini or something to see if I can get some improved speeds.

no problems with wifi here. getting a faster connection than GPRS, even at hotspots.

I had a problem with my wifi connection in that the DHCP server giving out an incorrect address for one of the DNS servers. This made the wifi slow, because Internet Explorer kept on trying to lookup the IP of a host using the broken DNS, and then falling back to the second in the list.
You try specifying a DNS server manually to diagnose the problem.

Cingular 8125 WiFi Fix that works!
Believe it or not the support for this product from HTC, the mfgr, is great and fast! That being said, I like most users have spent days hunting for solutions to the problem and you will not find them anywhere. But here is the solution:
First you must have an unlimited account for data usage or forget your WiFi...well at least simply. Also, you must get Cingular to flip a switch for your 8125 to automatically switch from WiFi to GPRS and back depending on what is the best signal. It works great once the switch is set.
The only way I found to do this was to call support and make sure you get to the HTC support group. They will guide you quickly through getting setup but you must tell them about the switch so they call Cingular and have the switch set. For some reason Cingular, no surprise, does not seem to know about this when they sell you the plan and the phone.

Re: Cingular 8125 WiFi Fix that works!
mostinc said:
Believe it or not the support for this product from HTC, the mfgr, is great and fast! That being said, I like most users have spent days hunting for solutions to the problem and you will not find them anywhere. But here is the solution:
First you must have an unlimited account for data usage or forget your WiFi...well at least simply. Also, you must get Cingular to flip a switch for your 8125 to automatically switch from WiFi to GPRS and back depending on what is the best signal. It works great once the switch is set.
The only way I found to do this was to call support and make sure you get to the HTC support group. They will guide you quickly through getting setup but you must tell them about the switch so they call Cingular and have the switch set. For some reason Cingular, no surprise, does not seem to know about this when they sell you the plan and the phone.
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Thank you so much. This sounds like the solution I'm looking for. So are you saying to call HTC support and they will contact Cingular to have the switch set on my behalf?? Or do I just call Cingular and tell them to "turn the switch on"?
I do have an unlimited GPRS for data usage.

what a crock of steaming brown stuff :x .... what exactly does wifi have to do with your telco? ... nothing. There maybe some registry entry that Cingular have set when the device ships which causes poor WiFi speeds but your GPRS data plan has nothing to do with WiFi data, unless you are talking about connecting to Cingular WiFi hotspots. The only changes needed will be on your device not within the Telco network.

before calling support, try this:
Go to comm mgr and turn off the phone. Then turn on WiFi and let it connect. Check your speed with www.2wire.com. If your speed is still slow, and another PC connected to that HotSpot isn't (test the PC with 2wire also) then your 8125 is bad.
Using the WiFi icon v.s. the "E" icon is no way to determine what wireless system you're using btw...

Sleuth255 said:
before calling support, try this:
Go to comm mgr and turn off the phone. Then turn on WiFi and let it connect. Check your speed with www.2wire.com. If your speed is still slow, and another PC connected to that HotSpot isn't (test the PC with 2wire also) then your 8125 is bad.
Using the WiFi icon v.s. the "E" icon is no way to determine what wireless system you're using btw...
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Ok, I tried 2wire. My laptop connected to my wifi network and clocks in at 3.2Mbps and my 8125 is showing 221 kbps. multiple tests showed 228, 205, 220). Perhaps it is unrealistic to expect similar speed as my laptop.
I turned the com manager phone back on and connected via GPRS and the speed test came back at 64.8 kbps.
So it does look like this method is working. I can live with 221 kbps.
By the way, I emailed Cingular and HTS. I got the following response from Cingular:
Thank you for contacting Data Support!
There is an additional setting that you need to enable/disable manually every time you switch between GPRS and Wi Fi, please take a look at it:
[they sent a link to a page not found]
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I think it's always going to be slow because of the way the phone is designed. Probably small bus interface. My friend has a 6700 wich cpu wise is pretty much the same based on comparison but his is much faster through wifi.

"I think it's always going to be slow because of the way the phone is designed. Probably small bus interface. My friend has a 6700 wich cpu wise is pretty much the same based on comparison but his is much faster through wifi."
No no no no no no and no.
small bus interface? for heavens sake... you have heard that there is something called a "bus" inside computers and that it is used to "transfer data" and this "bus interface" is small in the qtek so it is a viable candidate to blame slow transfers on.
no.
any memory bus designed after 1980 is capable of 200kbit transfers.
the main reason for the horrid speed of the 9100 is the stupid software design where every system call in a program gets interrupted by the os which in turn, after checking who-knows-what, in the name of "security" and "stability", and then executed. Of course this hinders performance dramaticaly without affecting stability and security a single bit: it still crashes. the difference is that it is also slow.

I'm running Xelencin's custom 2.17 ROM for T-mobile on my 8125. His ROM sets the device up to work with an 802.11 g wifi connection. I kid you not - I have measured 900 to 1200 Kbps on my wifi at home (comcast) and at work (T1). It's blazing fast.
To measure your speed, go to www.dslreports.com. Click on the lowfi version at the top of the page. Then click on speed test. Then choose either 600K or 1 MB and then let it do the test.
You may have some setting wrong.

I have an 'adhoc' wireless network (running at 11Mbs) and i stream large lossless (FLAC) audio files to my Squeezebox 3 wireless music player with no issues whatsoever.
However, the MDA can't cope at all. FLAC files play great from the MiniSD, but wifi performance is worse than terrible.
Yes, the wifi speed of the MDA is s**t.
That said, if anyone has any tips on how to increase perfomance please let me know!
Thanks.

My Wifi would not work at all when I updated my ROM but this utility fixed that and sped things up. I recommend backing up your device before executing because I have only tried this on QTEK 9100 with a beta 2.8 ROM.

tsiros said:
"I think it's always going to be slow because of the way the phone is designed. Probably small bus interface. My friend has a 6700 wich cpu wise is pretty much the same based on comparison but his is much faster through wifi."
No no no no no no and no.
small bus interface? for heavens sake... you have heard that there is something called a "bus" inside computers and that it is used to "transfer data" and this "bus interface" is small in the qtek so it is a viable candidate to blame slow transfers on.
no.
any memory bus designed after 1980 is capable of 200kbit transfers.
the main reason for the horrid speed of the 9100 is the stupid software design where every system call in a program gets interrupted by the os which in turn, after checking who-knows-what, in the name of "security" and "stability", and then executed. Of course this hinders performance dramaticaly without affecting stability and security a single bit: it still crashes. the difference is that it is also slow.
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Excuse me for my ignorance... But then how do you explain that the 6700 can handle 700kb wireless while 9100's usually around 220kB? The Intel proc on the 6700 seems comparable to the Omap,no?

keitht said:
My Wifi would not work at all when I updated my ROM but this utility fixed that and sped things up. I recommend backing up your device before executing because I have only tried this on QTEK 9100 with a beta 2.8 ROM.
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What exactly does this cab change?

Reconfiguring DNS may make a significant improvement?
I came across your post after my own concerns with my I-mate K-Jam (Wizard) WiFi performance. My GPRS connection was at least twice as fast.
My problem was that is was taking at least 30~60 seconds to locate a web page and another 10~15 seconds to open the page. Once connected it seemed to work OK but operation via GPRS was still faster.
My K-Jam has a ROM that permits G connection and my AP is set to G only. After reading all the articles in this post (and others), I ran the 600K download at DLSreports.com. To my surprise, my download rate was actually + 500kbit/sec which lead me to believe I might have DNS issues.
I used vxUtil (http://www.cam.com/windowsce.html) to check my DNS settings. My primary DNS being picked up from my DSL modem was the DSL modems gateway address which works fine in my Toshiba laptop. My secondary DNS was my ISP's backup.
I reconfigured my DSL modems DHCP server so that the DNS servers being dished up to my K-Jam are my ISP's primary and secondary servers and I performed a soft reset.
The speed increase was substantial! Pages are located and opened within 5 seconds now making my WiFi connection useable.
This may be worth a try for others with similar issues?

WiFi?

Hi, i recently bought and upgraded a 02 XDA Mini S to WM6 and the wifi seems bad like i have to go right next to the wireless point to get a good signal and even then its not at full bar can any1 help me with this or is it just the wifi is rubbish on the wizard?
thanks,
Kurt

Did you go to start-->settings-->connections tab-->wireless LAN-->power mode tab and set it on best performance? That should give you some more room to work with.

yep still is really bad though about 10 meters and 2 walls away from the router an i couldnt get a signal.

At "10 meters and 2 walls away from the router" I also get no connection -where my Wifi enabled laptop works fine at the same time. Seems like the Wifi on the HTC device is rather weak and operates from a small distance only. Anyways I've learned to live with it.

oh rite well annoying though considering my dell axim x51 can get a very good signal like 30 meters from the access point. is there anyway i can up the power on my wizard? ive got wireless G enabled aswell.

Ya, I have a 7db antennae on my router and I still seem to need to be inside of 20 or so feet, and no walls for my wizard to find the network. I think it's just a weak card.

I also noticed that.
Yes I also noticed that. I have a wifi hotspot subscription and with my old WM5 ROM i can connect and surf without any problem, however when useing any WM6 ROM i just connect poorly and the connection breaks everytime.
Even in my wireless home router i had turn on the name broadcast (enabling WEP of course) in order to connect properly at the first try.
Ive noted this with every WM6 Rom out there and since my device is a G4 i cant upgrade the radio rom. so... well i suffer from this issue also.

My prophet has weak wifi signal

anybody know how to repair this? my prophet's wifi signal is very weak. I'm right beside my router and I'm only getting 2 bars. I happen to have an Alpine and the signal is good. habving them turned on the wifi at the same time and at the same spot.
my browsing with prophet was almost impossible. can anyone help me please?

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anybody know how to repair this? my prophet's wifi signal is very weak. I'm right beside my router and I'm only getting 2 bars. I happen to have an Alpine and the signal is good. habving them turned on the wifi at the same time and at the same spot.
my browsing with prophet was almost impossible. can anyone help me please?
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Have you updated ur ROM or using standard one? If you have updated ROM check the radio version is that recomended, this will have an impact on wifi, bluetooth, i/r etc.
If using standard, delete the settings on ur device. Also check ur router settings, sometime routers need turning off and on again.
good luck.

i haven't checked the rom. I just downloaded and upgraded. I'll take your advice. although the wifi router isn't really a problem since my Alpine is doing fine at 80- 85% signal bar. I really think it's the Prophet that has the problem.

Question for those who use WiFi on their X1

How far from the WiFi HotSpot can your X1 get before the connection is useless? I'm in a house and it barely works in the next room (newer house, walls made of drywall). My brother has an iPod Touch that works all over the house perfectly (same router). I'm wondering if there is something wrong with the WiFi radio on my X1?

i get v good coverage from the x1 as good as the iphone. try changing your radio firmware

WhyBe,
Is it set to best performance or best battery?
Go under settings to check.
Cheers.

Doesn't it depend on the HotSpot itself ?- I mean on the router, its signal strength and etc...I connect to my router trough 2 brick + concrete walls and have no problems at all...Always connected in every room

cooin said:
Doesn't it depend on the HotSpot itself ?- I mean on the router, its signal strength and etc...I connect to my router trough 2 brick + concrete walls and have no problems at all...Always connected in every room
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same , even good outside/inside the neighbours house ,
be sure to have the 1.15 or 1.16 radio (or smthing like that , the new ones)
+what poisonwolf said
and dont buy a metal case for ur phone
also helps if i slide open the phone for me ... and its good to face the router too (not with ur back towards it)

cooin said:
Doesn't it depend on the HotSpot itself ?- I mean on the router, its signal strength and etc...I connect to my router trough 2 brick + concrete walls and have no problems at all...Always connected in every room
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I can always connect to my router from the door on the street (I live on the first floor) and everywhere in the house including the bedroo with router being on the corridor outside.
And I did not tweak anything in my EnergyROM 3.0

Thanks all. I have never specifically changed my radio firmware. Is this something that is updated when I change ROMs? I've went from R1a to R2a to R3a. Does the radio get changed with these?
I have the X1 set to best performance.

It depends on what kind of router you have. The cheap ones are crappy. I have a medium spec one and I get good connectivity through 3 walls.

I have a LinkSys G router. It is pretty common. Everything I use works fine with it (3 laptops and iPod Touch). Only the X1 can see it but not connect.

WhyBe said:
I have a LinkSys G router. It is pretty common. Everything I use works fine with it (3 laptops and iPod Touch). Only the X1 can see it but not connect.
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Did you see the settings in the phone that allow you to use better Wi-Fi reception, but get poor battery life? I had problems with Wi-Fi until I set it to "better performance" rather than "better battery life".

Yes, it is set to best performance. My X1 recognizes the router but doesn't connect. I'm wondering if there is some other problem?
EDIT: OK, I just discovered that if I turn off the phone radio, the WiFi works properly. Is it supposed to be this way?

with linksys and all other routers really one have to upgrade the firmware once in awhile
to get best support with newer devices

WhyBe said:
Yes, it is set to best performance. My X1 recognizes the router but doesn't connect. I'm wondering if there is some other problem?
EDIT: OK, I just discovered that if I turn off the phone radio, the WiFi works properly. Is it supposed to be this way?
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Nope. There is a problem. I have no idea what it could be though . Maybe an update is a good thought.

I only use stock ROMs and haven't really tweaked my system beyond factory state. So I don't see why I need to update anything. I'm thinking there is some sort of conflict between my internet settings for the phone and the internet settings for the WiFi connection?

WhyBe said:
I only use stock ROMs and haven't really tweaked my system beyond factory state. So I don't see why I need to update anything. I'm thinking there is some sort of conflict between my internet settings for the phone and the internet settings for the WiFi connection?
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Update the router not the phone .

WhyBe said:
Yes, it is set to best performance. My X1 recognizes the router but doesn't connect. I'm wondering if there is some other problem?
EDIT: OK, I just discovered that if I turn off the phone radio, the WiFi works properly. Is it supposed to be this way?
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Mine did that when I 1st tried to set it up, it would find the network (hidden) ok, but would not connect. No matter what I tried, even though 2 pc's (wired), laptop (wireless), xbox (wired) & iPod touch (wireless) were working fine.
I gave up on the X1 and turned my attention to the router, tried a static IP for the X1 etc (it's back on DCHP now), after rebooting the router, the X1 connected and worked fine and it has ever since. I have no idea why - but initially it would not connect - something funny with the router.

I have a netgear router and every now and then kicks me off. i have to disable my wifi on the x1 and reconnect or even power off the router and back on for it to work.
Turn off your router for 1 minute and power back on then try to reconnect your x1.

I have a Linksys WRT160N router and it actually doesn't even detect it when it transmits mixed speed, only of I put it on B and G it detects it.
Otherwise the signal is average, a bit worse then my laptop.

WhyBe said:
How far from the WiFi HotSpot can your X1 get before the connection is useless? I'm in a house and it barely works in the next room (newer house, walls made of drywall). My brother has an iPod Touch that works all over the house perfectly (same router). I'm wondering if there is something wrong with the WiFi radio on my X1?
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I only use Wi-Fi at my university. Well basically my Wi-Fi works everywhere around campus, at the dorms, and at the movie theater right next to school.
It's freaking great, but I prefer 3G. I just can't afford it.

No internet through Wifi after 2.3.3 update

So I just updated my Desire HD with the new 2.3.3 update. I downloaded the update OTA using the wifi connection here at home. The download of the update and the installation itself went fine. When my phone rebooted after the update I was glad to see all my settings and apps were still there.
However, there is no connection to the internet anymore through wifi. It does connect to my wifi as I am able to use the Unified Remote app to control my computer. None of the apps however can use the wifi connection to connect to the internet any more.
I already deleted my wifi settings in my Desire HD and re-added them, but that didn't do anything. A simple reboot didn't solve my problem either. My mobile network connection works fine, although much slower than wifi used to be of course.
Does anyone know what I can do to hopefully get my internet connection working again?

Wekko306 said:
So I just updated my Desire HD with the new 2.3.3 update. I downloaded the update OTA using the wifi connection here at home. The download of the update and the installation itself went fine. When my phone rebooted after the update I was glad to see all my settings and apps were still there.
However, there is no connection to the internet anymore through wifi. It does connect to my wifi as I am able to use the Unified Remote app to control my computer. None of the apps however can use the wifi connection to connect to the internet any more.
I already deleted my wifi settings in my Desire HD and re-added them, but that didn't do anything. A simple reboot didn't solve my problem either. My mobile network connection works fine, although much slower than wifi used to be of course.
Does anyone know what I can do to hopefully get my internet connection working again?
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This is a known problem...HTC gotta fix this with a new OTA ...

Btw, i can connect to my wifi, and also browse market and web with the standard browser..
Ps:Whit new 2.3.3 Ota..

Chefs have found the WiFi problem. It's not really a big problem. But HTC implemented a minimum WiFi signal strength, which is set high.
So if the signal isn't strong enough, the WiFi will be turned off.

Infact, here on my desk the signal is on the max, and i havent any problem..

I am getting problems too with wifi after update.
For some reason at home wifi is ok here i only reach internal network ...
Very Strange problem...

****head said:
Chefs have found the WiFi problem. It's not really a big problem. But HTC implemented a minimum WiFi signal strength, which is set high.
So if the signal isn't strong enough, the WiFi will be turned off.
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I doubt that's the problem. When I look in the Testing menu (using *#*#4636*#*#) and go to Wi-Fi Status it says the RSSI is between -51 and -76 which should definitely be strong enough I suppose.

Wekko306 said:
I doubt that's the problem. When I look in the Testing menu (using *#*#4636*#*#) and go to Wi-Fi Status it says the RSSI is between -51 and -76 which should definitely be strong enough I suppose.
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You're correct
HTC has set the minimum WiFi strength to -88, which is imo too high :-/
That's why people will experience dropped wifi

So what is the solution?

kwira said:
So what is the solution?
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Whoops. i don't know why I pressed the "Thank you"-button xD
For casual users: Nothing, wait until HTC releases a new update.
Chef gtg465x has provided a fix in "ROM Development"-section, but you need to root your phone and use CWM etc. If you're not familiar with these things, you better don't try to fix it.

kwira said:
So what is the solution?
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Check this thread out-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1058450

abhishekagrawal said:
Check this thread out-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1058450
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I suppose that only helps when you have the problem of your phone dropping wifi signal when it is below -88? Then I don't think this will solve my problem, as my signal strength is ~-60 and the wifi connection itself works fine but just doesn't connect to the internet after the update.
EDIT:
My problem has been solved
It appears that my phone does not get the right information about the Default Gateway when using DHCP as it was set to 0.0.0.0. After setting the phone to use a static IP I could change the Default Gateway and solve the problem.
Now the question is, why doesn't my phone get the right Default Gateway from my server after updating the phone to 2.3.3?

iep thats my prob ...

Where can i find the signal strength of wifi in DHD ??
When i'm near my router, activating wifi on phone, it only tells "excellent" but there are no values.
Thanks for your advice

Bodyworks said:
Where can i find the signal strength of wifi in DHD ??
When i'm near my router it only tells "excellent" but no values.
Thanks for your advice
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1. Open the Phone app
2. Enter *#*#4636#*#*
3. You should now be in the Testing menu
4. Click Wifi information
5. Click Wi-Fi Status
6. Look at the number behind RSSI

Wekko306 said:
1. Open the Phone app
2. Enter *#*#4636#*#*
3. You should now be in the Testing menu
4. Click Wifi information
5. Click Wi-Fi Status
6. Look at the number behind RSSI
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Wow, thats the reason, why i love this forum. Thank you very much. Your answer came blazing fast.
The value tells -57 to -60 (pressing on 'Refresh Stats') sitting directly near the antenna of my router
I can't evaluate, if these values are good or bad.
Would be nice to know, which range is good and which range might result in connection problems.
Thank you
bodyworks

Bodyworks said:
Wow, thats the reason, why i love this forum. Thank you very much. Your answer came blazing fast.
The value tells -57 to -60 (pressing on 'Refresh Stats') sitting directly near the antenna of my router
I can't evaluate, if these values are good or bad.
Would be nice to know, which range is good and which range might result in connection problems.
Thank you
bodyworks
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Those are pretty good numbers I believe. I am usually getting between -52 and -70 when sitting in my room, which is about 6m away from my router (and through 2 walls). Apparently, anything lower than -88 is bad with the new 2.3.3 update as the phone loses wifi connection at that value.

Wekko306 said:
Those are pretty good numbers I believe. I am usually getting between -52 and -70 when sitting in my room, which is about 6m away from my router (and through 2 walls). Apparently, anything lower than -88 is bad with the new 2.3.3 update as the phone loses wifi connection at that value.
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Ahh i understand. So lower values are better than higher ones.
I heard, that it depends on the radio. I flashed 12.54.60.25U_26.09.04.11_M2 used with 2.3.3 (MDJs VivoSense 2.1) and it works very good. (no wifi drops at all).
GPS is fast as well. After some seconds i get about 8-10 satellites.
Regards,
bodyworks

This is pretty annoying problem, why did HTC changed it when it worked good and making it worse?

try wifi fixer from market.its pretty good.write here pls if u have ay probl.